I agree, except I think that Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot could be a double album. Stylistically and production wise the're not so far apart. So I kind of not agree :-)
An album that reached number 7 in the UK and 26 in the USA, it received critical acclaim on release and has retrospectively continued to do so. It had a re master release in 1994 and again in 2007. It is not underated at all, and least of all by a large number of Genesis fans. I don't get the use of 'underated' anymore.
When I was very young, whispering Bob played Undertow on the old grey whistle test, it blew my mind. The next day I bought, "And then there were three" probably the 4th LP I owned. This is constantly maligned but I believe it is one of the greatest recordings of all time!
Mine too..1973..a friend had an extra ticket so I went even though I had never even heard of them before.....I could not even speak when it was over...took a bit to come back down to earth...been a madman for them ever since.
I have been following Genesis for the last 40 years and I consider it to be maybe the best band or one of the best bands of all time! And I happen to agree with 90% of your choice from worst to best! Thanks for sharing your ideas for this extraordinary group, exquisite and historical band!
I love that you picked TLLDOB at number one. I think part of the reason that Selling England by the Pound had such a great reputation is that, by then, they fairly well transcended the genre and form of progressive rock. Unlike a band like ELP (great as they were), Genesis rarely feels held in place by any one style by that point. However, on The Lamb, they've practically departed all known style and form. There was no precedent for what they were doing, lyrically or musically. They had created their own universe and I think that's something easy to forget because they mostly came back to Earth on A Trick of the Tail. But I agree, in that I feel like I'm still learning new things when I hear the album today. All that said, I could easily take Selling England at number one on another day but the Lamb is a force to be reckoned with.
Selling England was great because it was like the culmination of all their previous skills, refined to perfection. What makes the Lamb so perfect is that not only was it a concept album, but the concept itself was morphed to provide epic sequences of songs that accentuate their clever dynamic shifts. The tracklist itself is perfection They soar, they rage, they get giddy and foolish, they pull you in with a strange theme that really works. And no two songs sound the same, apart from the delicate instrumentals. But their ferocious dedication to perfection in producing the album left them shattered as a band, touring in bittersweet fashion knowing their genius front man would soon depart.
I appreciate your opinion(s). There is no bad Genesis album, in my opinion. Duke is always my favorite complete album. But I think everyone, as mentioned, had their own perspective.
I come in the 80's so for me is Phil first, I don't have money to spent for music in that time, so I listened to the radio, after I have money (work) I kinda buy them backwards... So I don't share the same opinions with most of the fans.. Because nothing can compare with the one from your childhood, the memories factor I guessed.. I like then all really..
We can hear your love for Genesis David. My favorite time period is the Hackett years. He sprinkled his gold dust on top of a period of creativity for the band.
People always seem to say the band went downhill after Peter left.He was a huge talent and I love everything he does.But I also love the next two albums after he left.But after Hackett left,it really did go downhill.That's not to say it was all bad.There would be some good moments.But far less in my opinion
Totaly agree , probably the last good record they did "And then there were three" after that they moved into a sort of pop sort of era.Not my cup of tea , gabriel yrs the best .
It's not because Hackett left, it was because of the 80s. Progressive rock wasn't popular in the 80s anymore. Pop music was the next big thing. They moved on with the times and they made the right decision if you ask me.
I love Rutherfords playing on And Then There We’re Three😅I love his sounds on there, lots of chorus/delays and I like hearing his style of playing electric start to form….
Interesting, you seem to be initiated. Still I agree with the videomaker. Rutherford is just not a lead guitar player. He lacks personal feel in his fingers. Is the solo beatiful on burning rope. Yes of course. But is it not due to it is well composed. Compare it with how the Firth of fifth solo is performed which was written by Banks. Maybe you see my point even if ypu don’t agree.
I almost agree with you in everything , BUUUUUUT for me, Selling England by the Pound is simply the best record ever by any band, so it could not be number two. Thanks for your video!!
@@DennisK55 Yes, me too, Dennis. It changed my life! My poor Mum and Dad had to endure it over and over through my bedroom floor. Bless them. As music-lovers, they became fans too.
Ask 20 different Genesis fans their favourite album and you'll get 20 different answers depending on their age. For me, Selling England is their high water mark. I didn't have much regard for Duke until recently. I love it now. What a great album.
Great. I try from time to time the older LPs which I bought, to have all records.....and sold em. But I will give it a chance, like you did with Duke. All the best from Germany Lothar as ELPI
I don't think age always affects their taste. I first got into Genesis in the 80's but I prefer their earlier stuff from the seventies(although like all eras).
As much as I like SEBTP,my go to album has always been Lamb.The former is quintessential pastoral and quirky Genesis.Lamb is tougher,grittier,varied from song to song yet almost classical in Chamber of 32 Doors and Lamia.Still love it 48 years after I bought it
My guess is that Silent Sorrow is the most underrated Genesis song ever. There are a lot of underrated songs on And Then There Were Three and the non album B sides from the singles. Silent Sorrow is phenomenal, criminally underrated.
What makes it special for me is the instrumental section where the keyboards and guitar dance together creating harmony; staggeringly beautiful - but without it, Ripples would just be average IMHO
Literally in 2024 I listened to "Colony of Slippermen" I think David called it the "Fountain of Slipperman" thats ok tho. I am still blown away, I am 61 years 10 months
I could listen to firth of fifth on repeat for hours. When I was 13 I listened to Trick of the Tale for the first time thanks to my big brother ❤️ and I WAS HOOKED from then on!!! when you meet another Genesis fan there’s an instant bond. I loved everything you said about the albums! and how cool is it that our favorites are spread across SO MANY albums. That’s rare too compared to other bands ahhhh. I love going down memory lane. Be well!! Xo
I think many too many Genesis fans(sorry) tend to place ATTWT lower because to them it represents the end of an era with Hackett leaving rather than judge it solely on its musical value. Some of the songs on there are their finest including the two you mentioned. The weakest track imo is ballad of big, I always skip that track.
@@Eleventhearlofmars I think it is mainly that the proggies who believed this was the end of them as a prog band, and didn’t really embrace post - Hackett Genesis. A lot of them actually didn’t embrace post a Gabriel Genesis! To be honest, nor have I bothered much after TTWT! I just think it is a great album....but like you, barring Ballad Of The Big. I always programme the CD to play the sides in reverse on the CD, so Deep In The Motherlode etc. is the start of the second half. Although I think that that song is ideal as an opener. I wonder if they ever opened a concert with that one?
I think most really wanted ATTWT to be great. It was simply the weakness of Rutherford's guitar at the time that has blighted that album. Otherwise, some great tracks. The proggies hung around long enough to nod their appreciation in the direction of 'Duke'.
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed more closely with a Genesis album ranking. Great summaries and brutally honest. Of course I’d tweak the order of a couple of albums on my own list, but I think you and I pretty much concur, especially with things like the Firth of Fifth guitar solo - absolutely sublime. (and for me the Seconds Out version is perhaps even more so).
Well done! You’re a true fan. I don’t agree with every single one, but you really got most of it right. I liked your insights on the band members. Namely your assessment of And then there were three and Rutherford vs Hackett. Spot on !
I have been following Genesis since 73,their albums are all masterpiece,personally i believe that the LAMB is a double out of the ordinary, exceptional,unique,inimitable.When Peter and then Steve came out, i have only a fantastic memory left.
Genesis is my favorite band of all time. I was lucky enough to see them live 8 times. I had never heard of them until I was a counselor of the senior boys cabin at summer camp in 1972. One of the young men had brought the Lamb album. I was a fan immediately. The first tour I saw was the Wind and Wuthering tour. Which I believe is what became Seconds Out. I agree with the order of almost all of your choices and comments but I think Second Home by the Sea “ROCKS.” It is one of my favorite Genesis pieces.
Similar to you, I was completely obsessed with Genesis. Foxtrot was my favourite album. It took a long time but like you I eventually came to prefer The Lamb as it still offers something new and fresh.
A joy to hear someone talking with the same passion I have for this band. Thought Duke's ranking was slightly harsh, the only one I would have among my top 5 of the post-Hackett era. Congrats on the video.
My Top 15 Genesis Albums. 15. We Can't Dance 14. Calling All Stations 13. Invisible Touch 12. Genesis 11. Abacab 10. ...And then There was 3 9. Duke 8. Wind and Wuthering 7. A Trick of the Tail 6. The Lamb Lies down on Broadway 5. From Genesis to Revelation 4. Nursery Cryme 3. Trespass 2. Selling England by the Pound And #1. Foxtrot.
As someone born in the 90s I find Your Own Special Way to be a really lovely song. It might have something to do with me not being around for the late 70s period of schmaltzy yacht-rock and ballad oversaturation, but it seems refreshingly wholesome for someone reared in a time where music is so brutally cynical and nihilistic.
Genesis (1983) is the only Genesis post Gabriel album that I really like. Home By the Sea - Second Home by the Sea is in my advice the best musical piece from this era. And is on a par with all the great songs they made before Peter Gabriel left. Better than some.
Have big love for 'Trespass'. It's fault is that it was not recorded and mixed very well. Their ideas had gotten so big, so early. Their studio savvy had not caught up yet. But the remaster helps a lot. "Stagnation", "Knife", "Looking for someone" are great tracks. For me "The Lamb" would probably be first too; with 'Foxtrot" and "Selling England" and "Trick" right behind. "Nursery" is so good, and so much better than anything before, but there are some weaker short cuts that dilute it, and the Live versions o0f the epics destroy the studio renditions.
@@kennethmarshall306 Re 'Trespass'? One can only imagine how that album would have sounded, had the classic line-up been in place. There is hardly any electric guitar on "Trespass'. The band have said how important Anthony Phillips was for their early days, and how they almost packed it in, when he left. He seems to have written some good parts on songs, but he probably did them a great favor by leaving. Collins is obviously a monster drummer, but Hackett brought so much definition, and muscle to the songs, and arrangements.
@@kennethmarshall306 I need to consciously go and re-listen to it. I listen to so much music; but always in 'shuffle'. I know that 'Trespass' new is much better that 'Trespass' old, but now after your comment, I must check out again.
I was there at Knebworth for the Then There Were Three show, what a magnificent night that was. I would agree 100% that your top five would be interchangeable, but like you I normally place The Lamb as No 1 just for being a full double of absurdly high quality.
I really love "Genesis" (yellow album), my favourite album of the Collins era. My alltime favourite is "The Lamb lies down on Broadway" and there is of course "Genesis Live". One last thing: I've seen the "Calling all Stations" tour in Dortmund / Germany and it was great! Ray Wilson is a fantastic singer, especially his performance of "Calling all Stations" and "The Carpet Crawlers" was awesome.
1. The Lamb 2. Duke 3. Selling England 4. Trick of the Tail 5. Nursery Cryme 6. Foxtrot 7. And Then There Were Three 8. Wind and Wuthering 9. Abacab 10. Trespass 11. Genesis mama 12. Invisible Touch 13. We Can't Dance 14. From Gen to Rev 15. Calling Bullshit
It's the one which got me into early Genesis. Before I only knew their 80s/90s hits from radio and MTV. I also had the Invisible Touch album on CD. Then on the local radio station in the evening they used to have a segment where they played quiet songs. Carpet Crawlers came on and I was fascinated. Next day I asked my oldest brother with a huge record collection if he had this song. He didn't, but gave me Trespass and a compilation called "Rock Theatre". It was music like I'd never heard before. Soon afterwards I had all the old Genesis albums and prog rock has since been my favourite music genre, with Genesis still topping the whole of it.
I really enjoyed your take on these albums - 25 minutes flew by - very well informed, and nicely packaged with an excerpt from each album as you discussed it. Brought back memories. I will have to go back and check out the remixes you mentioned. I came of age listening to genesis, tull, ELP, yes, gentle giant. Saw genesis at knebworth back in the day, and it was stunning. For me a funny thing happened though, as each band matured and personnel changed ( and presumably I changed) I lost interest, whereas you appear to have stuck with it. With Genesis, they peaked creatively for me with Lamb lies Down, stopped listening after Wind and Wuthering. With Yes the peak was Close to the Edge, stopped listening after Relayer. With ELP it was Brain Salad Surgery, stopped listening after Fanfare, the last classic ELP song. With Tull it was Songs from the Wood, gave up on them after "Too old to rock and roll" With Gentle Giant it was The Power and the Glory ( "playing the game" from that album is up there with anything those other bands did ) Good times! These days I listen to jazz with a melodic/progressive tinge (like Metheny or Jacob Collier ).
A great list. My only differences are that I would put 'Genesis to Revelation' much higher and 'Wind and Wuthering' has never really resonated with me (I should give it another go). Like you, I place 'The Lamb' first and foremost. It is the first Genesis album I ever listened to and the one I consider the apotheosis of their art. In my opinion their narrative content fell away without Gabriel's conceptual thinking. I think that the conflict between Gabriel and Banks for control of direction created their greatest work. Cheers.
WM i use to think the same myself because the pressings i owned weren't very good, mainly lacking in dynamics an bass. do a bit of research and find a good pressing. you will be surprised.
It's true. I named a pappy dog, Chocolate Surprise (Choc) a verse from The Cinema Show. I love the first 5 albums (songs like The Lamia, Carpet Crawlers, White Montains ... I grown up with Genesis . Some years after I will be in SIAE as music composer. Very important for me.
Foxtrot was my introduction to this band. I was absolutely floored with the artistic writing & musical talents. 1st album along at the same day, I went back to the store and even the clerks said I was going to be hooked. They became my top band next to Black Sabbath and Deep Purple.? 74 or 75? Alice Cooper falls in there too. (My 1st concert). To this day, the end movement of the Musical Box has me in tears. After T.T.W.3., I said they sold out. Never bought any more from them. But they are still #1 as far as my ``Art Rock " bands. Thanks for the reviews. I'll be checking out more of your videos for sure. Peace out brother...
@@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 The romanticism of that farewell and yearning, the organ during "casting doubt on all Have to say..", I'm feeling it all right now hearing it in my head... Just thank God for the existence of that song and of the band on our planet.
Great list! I was 9 in 1983, so the self-titled was my introduction, so there’s always a place in my heart for that record. Agree with #1. Took me some time to get into that record, but once I did, I was hooked.
Ironically watching Steve Hackett live tours recently brings back the bet memories of the original Genesis - what I would consider to be the best period
I always loved And There Were Three #1. Duke is probably #2. Trick of the Tail is my #3. Wind and Wuthering #4. Phil said somewhere that he didn’t want to do anything like before and stick to the more popish theme. I did like Calling All Stations. I thought it was an interesting album. I should do my top 10 albums.
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is not only my favourite but it is also Genesis's best album . Incidentally , both Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins agree .
Very nice view of Genesis very close to mine. I came in later with "Seconds Out" and "And then there were three". Then discovered 70ies Genesis, which is still my favorite. 👍🎵🖖
Here my ranking: 1. Selling England by the Pound 2. Foxtrot 3. Nursery Cryme 4. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 5. A Trick of the Tail 6. Wind & Wuthering 7. Trespass 8. Abacab 9. Invisible Touch 10. Duke 11. And Then There Were Three 12. We Can't Dance 13. Genesis 14. From Genesis to Revelation 15. Calling All Stations And the top half of the list is older than me. The first seven spots are fixed, just as the last three. The spots 8-12 may vary from day to day.
My fav Genesis live album is actually the Archive 1 version of the Lamb (along with the tracks from the Rainbow 1973). As you describe, they sound absolutely ferocious. Phil is out of control! Sure, they replaced some stuff. I don't care. The end result is fantastic. That's the album that brought me back to being a Genesis fan after about 15 years of indifference.
@@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 Actually, the fact that they had to use an alternate studio version because the multitrack ran out in the recording truck works out for me. I love the bass line on 'It.' To me, it's one of the song's main hooks. They obviously can't do it live since they can't really drop the rhythm guitar, but I always miss that bass line in the live versions. So having that studio version is actually a bonus for me, even if it's not the actual live recording.
15. & Then There Were 3 14. From Genesis to Revelation 13. Calling All Stations 12. We Can't Dance 11. Invisible Touch 10. Trespass 9. Duke 8. Genesis 7. Abacab 6. Wind & Wuthering 5. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 4. Trick of the Tail 3. Foxtrot 2. Nursery Cryme 1. Selling England by the Pound
Para mí Selling es el mejor álbum, tanto en composición como en sonido, además contiene, que yo considero, el mejor de todos los tema de esa década (Firth Of Fifth). Hasta Duke todo bien, lo que vino después toda batata radial.
I've discovered that most songs peter out after about 40-50 listenings. Supper's Ready and LLDOB are up in the many hundreds and still going strong 🙏 Great commentary!
1. The lamb lies down on broadway 2. Foxtrot 3. Nursery cryme 4. Selling England by the pound 5. Trespass 6. A trick of the tail 7. Wind and Wuthering 8. Duke 9. ABACAB 10. Self titled 11. And then there were three 12. Invisible touch 13. From genesis to revelation 14. We can't dance 15. Calling all stations
the best are the remastered editions and not the boring remixes in 2007 (with deleted parts) with very bad sounds for the drums especially for the toms-snare-bass drums ruclips.net/video/lQIiWUkgLfE/видео.html ruclips.net/video/bn_7nKH6QjE/видео.html my fav is duke and nursery crime but in fact all !
Luv all the older Genesis albums up to Trick of the tale. After that they become less melodic although i do like Heath Haze (Duke Album). You can't beat a Genesis live concert it just takes you into another world amazing experience.
A shout out for the Archive collection. Some brilliant live performances there from the Gabriel era - and a full Lamb show (with some overdubs). Also, Three Sides Live has the incredible In the Cage medley - by the time they finish Afterglow, I'm just done. What a great live band they were.
You absolutely nailed it in the Top 5... I can flip Selling England and Lamb... I've been Selling England for about a decade... but recently I've started tilting towards The Lamb for the reasons you talk about. The sheer diversity of the songs... and is there a better moment than when Gabriel sings about "hovering like a fly... waiting for the windshield on the freeway" ... a second goes by of suspense and then Hackett lays down the hammer!! Insanely great. I won't touch the stuff after Duke, anymore... just doesn't interest me. Post-Hackett was a real sticking point for me (they survived two albums then it just got a bit weak tea). Hackett's solo stuff was more interesting and I wish so many of those songs had been recorded by the band. The idea of Genesis playing "Please Don't Touch," "A Tower Struck Down" (I know... three members of the band on there), Spectral Mornings, Clocks, Please Don't Touch," "Jacuzzi," "Air-Conditioned Nightmare," "The Steppes," etc.. ?? That would have been amazing. Thanks for your thoughts on all of these albums... Great stuff!
I agree about the post Duke albums... but it's really tough for me to rank my favorites. I think the first Genesis song I ever heard on the radio was Dancing with the Moonlit Night. Then I heard the Seconds Out record from an older friend that was into Jethro Tull. I was blown away by the epic Firth of Fifth. Then after hearing Genesis Live with Gabriel, I bought all the Gabriel era albums. I remember hearing the Punk inspiring "Back in NY" on 91X (alternative radio station in San Diego). My 3 favorite "get lost on headphones" albums are Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering and ATTW3. A friend in high school taught me how to play the intro to Blood on the Rooftops... I love that song! I saw the Duke tour at the San Diego Sports Arena but I would rather have been in Paris, October, 1977.
1- A trick of the tail, 2- Selling England by the pound, 3- Wind & Wuthering, 4- Foxtrot, 5-Nursery Cryme, 6-Tlldob, 7-Duke, 8-And then there were three, 9-Genesis, 10- Abacab, 11- Trespass, 12-Invisible touch, 13- We can´t dance. 14- Calling all stations, 15- From Genesis to revelation. Gracias por el vídeo, Genesis es la banda de sonido de mi vida, sin lugar a dudas mi banda favorita.
We Genesis fans were far and few back in the day,late 60's early 70's, but now we are United. Most people just don't get them. I used to play their music in the 80's and some of my friends would say that they sucked. Genesis, took you to another realm, with or without drugs
Genesis is everyone's favorite band (LOL), even their worst album is better than most bands best albums. they should have made a couple of more albums with that new singer, I agree, Calling all stations was a good first album with him.
Huge Genesis fan here! I enjoyed your video. I would’ve moved Genesis To Revelation higher as I love that album. I wholeheartedly agree on The Lamb as number 1. Side 4 is my favorite! Cheers!
I really love From Genesis to Revelation. Not in my Top5 but very close. I personally don´t like any of the albums from 1980 to now. (By the way as David Atkinson mentioned the Bee Gees I don´t like any of their songs from 1970 on but Genesis is another level isn´t it) I love Selling England best I think.
I can't stand the debut. I understand Gabriel's original intention for Genesis was to make it a pop band, but those songs were just awful. And the rest of the world knew it. Sold pretty much just to friends. What a difference with Trespass, and by Nursery and positive member changes, they really had something great.
@@n8goulet Get your position. Of course Trespass, Nursery Crime, Foxtrott and Selling England are top. And these are what makes the band so special. For me some of the best albums ever made. Out of question. But as I grew up with The Beatles and garage rock of the Sixties I also prefer anytime good pop songs to boring prog. And sorry but I prefer some simple psychedelic folk and post punk to almost every album of the Phil Collins era genesis. Just my oppinion. But of course there is so much music around which is worse. Art especially music has to be able to send shivers down my spine. And how much anyone sells to who is not important. You know this.
@@frankholdman743 Later Bee Gees were pretty good. I haven't really listened to their 1960s material. I can only say, it was clearly the wrong influence for Genesis at the time. And a pop direction Peter Gabriel it was. People need to get it out of their heads that Phil took Genesis to pop. It was more like....Genesis took him towards pop.
I'm your age and my first concert was Genesis "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway""too. It also is to me their best album because I saw it live before I bought it. I had no idea of what to expect. Then I became a lifelong fan.
Strange how we all have our favourites... I don't listen to "Selling England" any more, apart from "Dancing with the moonlit knight" and "Epping Forest", the other songs sounded much better when played live, even Firth of Fifth without Steve Hackett ! Here's my top 5: 1. And then there were three 2. A trick of the tail 3. Wind and Wuthering 4. The lamb lies down 5. Duke "And then there were three" is my absolute favourite: so delicate and intense, a mysterious album cover, fantastic sound, brilliant drumming..."Down and out", a very heavy track (with a subtle "Tristan chord" hidden within the keyboard intro), "Motherlode", "Say it's alright", 2 masterpieces by Mike Rutherford, and the epic "the lady lies"... Some of us love this record, some don't... well... Steve Hackett had left, and... I don't mind at all !
@@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 Hello to you ! The first note of Down and out is a B, first chord: Em, then Em6, then, a"Tristan chord": B D# F G#.... I didn't know until I tried and played it ! Something else I noticed: the great Mellotron intro for Watcher of the skies "borrows" a 6 chord sequence from the prelude to Act 3 from Siegfried . It's very obvious once you've "heard" it... was it intentional ? I don't mind as it sounds so good !
We are so close to having the same ranking. I guess for me TLLDOB is a good album but just not my favorite. The early years lead by Peter are not really my favorites in general but there are some real gems amongst them.
Art Greenslade was responsible for the strings on From Genesis to Revelation. His son is none other than Dave Greenslade, of Colosseum fame, and of course the band of his namesake, Greenslade.
Steve Hackett leaving was quite a big loss to Genesis. And Then There Were Three was the last album of their's that I bought. It was a sadly empty album . The rest were just unlistenable for me .I remember when Wind and Wuthering was released and it was a wonderful winter album as you said in your video .
Thanks for that review. I really enjoyed your comments and your run through the albums. I am generally in line with your own preferences and probably experienced Genesis in much the same way as you did, although, living in South Africa at the time, I never had the opportunity to see them live, instead having to see reconstituted versions of the early tours by Canadian group, The Musical Box, who are pretty good. I am forever grateful to them for being able to deliver a live concert of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, which I had only seen pictures of. 😎
If you love Genesis but Lamb isn’t your favourite then you haven’t listened to it often enough. Seriously. 20 or 30 listens are needed until it starts to give back in my experience. Then it never stops giving.
Got stoned to Genesis in my bedroom a lot in the 70's - think I saw them first at the Southampton Gaumont in 77 and again at Wembley Stadium in 1987. I tend to agree with you on the albums and where they stand, I think Gabriel leaving and Collins taking over heralded a change in style and they became a lot more 'poppy' - with a certain amount of Phil wallowing in his misery after the wife buggered off. I bought Trick of the Tail on release too and I totally agree about One for the Vine from Wind Wuthering (I was hopelessly in love at the time, so 'Your own special Way' had certain meaning for me. Foxtrot kicked arse and Selling England by the pound is amazing. I agree with Lamb for the number 1 - its an acid trip from start to finish, but not only that, it had power, it had a story to follow - I LOVED IT! - the thing with Genesis when they were live, is they were still close to note and tone perfect. I used to have Genesis Live on vinyl and played it to death
And Then They Were Three was awful. They couldn't figure if they still wanted to be prog or wanted to be pop. Therefore, the songs were neither. It was just a mess.
@@calvinwboaz7085 I thought it was pretty good overall, but there are some weak points to it. My favorites are Scenes From a Nights Dream, Ballad of Big, and Deep in the Motherlode. But my #1 and #2 will always be Seconds Out and Trick of the Tail. I also thought Duke was really good and after that it all turned to dog shyte thanks to Tony
As a teenager in the 70s, Genesis is the most significant band for me after the Beatles. My top-5: 1. Foxtrot 2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 3. Selling England By The Pound 4. Nursery Cryme 5. A Trick of the Tail
I can still remember the first time I heard Watcher Of The Skies, the first Genesis song I had ever heard... a complete revelation (DA may not have liked it, but it converted me)
Just think how much better Wind and Wuthering could have been if Special Way was replaced with Inside and Out and Wot Gorilla replaced with Please Don’t Touch
I started with Invisible Touch, their most popish (but one of the greatest) album, and then moved to earlier albums. My musical taste evolved and i was so happy to get the songs, which i didn't understand before. So i love both periods, and Duke is my favourite album.
You nail it quite well. The sad thing with Genesis is to imagine what could have been if Gabriel would have stayed and they would have continued in the path of Lamb lies down. I agree with The lamb at #1 because it is such an imaginative album and such a change in style, while remaining challenging and emotional music. Having that much talent in the same band is just incredible. The problem was the competitive nature of Banks and Gabriel, and to some extent, in an introverted way, Hackett. They were lacking appreciation for one another at that time. You listen to them, and they seem to only care about their compositions, their input, so again, the competitive nature. When one look at what Peter and Steve did as solo artists in the late 70s and early 80s, mix that with the best of what the band did at that time, like the Duke suite, plus stuff likthe long song Smallcreep's day by Rutherford. There was potential for many other masterpieces. Sadly, Wind & Wuthuring was the last one, and after that there was bits and pieces here and there on the band albums and solo albums. Also, if Peter would have stayed, Phil likely remains only a great drummer, or at least, he would have been unable to pull the band into this cheezy pop era.
Even Gabriel fell into the pop era. "In Your Eyes," "Sledgehammer," "Big Time" etc. etc. Even Yes and bands like Rush moved to a pop sound. It helped them survive.
Thanks very much. Your analysis of the competing egos and personalities of the band members is well-judged. Hackett's post-Genesis output has been excellent in places, the first three albums in particular. But man, after that he needed (and needs) an editor. Pushback from the likes of Banks would have tightened up the quality. No doubt. I like lots of the solo stuff. 'Smallcreep's Day' is superb, like you suggest, especially side 1. Gabriel's albums are all great in their own way. Collins more pop approach was still great. Only Banks' solo albums are weak. I so wanted to love his first album, but it was crushingly disappointing. He needs that pushback too!
@@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 Guitar Noir and Darktown are two other great albums from Hackett, but I agree that on other ones there are too much weak stuff. Good pieces are lost on bad albums. That being said, Steve is the only one that showed real love for the progressive music the band did in the seventies. The other four guys are mostly proud of their commercial success in the eighties, either in Genesis or as solo pop artists.
I think Big Pete left at exactly the right time. If he had stayed post Lamb I think a degree of sameness and staleness may have set in. A Trick shows a freshness in approach in some of the tracks whilst still maintaining the musical and structural complexity inherent in previous albums and the guys would have been highly motivated to prove that they could still maintain that standard of excellence with or without the previous vocalist and I would argue strongly that they did here and also with the next album.
@@jonnobloggs1139 I don't agree. Imagine what Pete did with his third and fourth albums integreated into Genesis and add to that some of what Steve did on Spectral Mornings and Defector. There still a lot of potential for freshness, originality and new ideas. And that would have kept the other three on the right path. But we won't rewrite history.
No matter how good their songs are on record, Their live versions are always spectacular. One of the best live bands ever, no doubt.
Wind and Wuthering really should be in every Genesis top 5. It’s a masterpiece.
Agree, love it, great album
Overrated album in my opinion.
I can't stand it lol
7th favourite of mine after the gabriel era albums
It's a very good album, but I'd put it at #8.
The brilliance of Genesis is that they never made the same album twice.
Excellent viewpoint!
Exactly. Spoken like a True fan and supporter.
They must be progressive of sorts
@@simonpiniel9055 ,, nah. Genesis is just a great band, focused on making great music.
I agree, except I think that Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot could be a double album. Stylistically and production wise the're not so far apart. So I kind of not agree :-)
Wind & Wuthering is one of the most underrated albums of all time.
Can't agree more
An album that reached number 7 in the UK and 26 in the USA, it received critical acclaim on release and has retrospectively continued to do so. It had a re master release in 1994 and again in 2007. It is not underated at all, and least of all by a large number of Genesis fans. I don't get the use of 'underated' anymore.
As Genesis fan for more than 40 years ,I agree,a day without Genesis music doesn t existe,by de way my dogs name is Ripples
Well said, mate!
I named my dog Duke as i iam very hard fan of Genesis love all the albums
My first Genesis album was "Seconds Out"... and that still is my favorite... nothing beats it.
Ditto and ditto King VII. Takes me to a very special place. Also my first Genesis concert.
It IS fabulous.
That double album sleeve, with the Collins designed Vari-Lights was magical.
It‘s so sad to hear this...
my first ever album was seconds out and only bought it for the cover but loved it and been a genesis fan 40 years
When I was very young, whispering Bob played Undertow on the old grey whistle test, it blew my mind. The next day I bought, "And then there were three" probably the 4th LP I owned. This is constantly maligned but I believe it is one of the greatest recordings of all time!
My first exposure to Genesis was 'Live', and what an eye opener that was. And yes, all five songs are the definitive versions.
Mine too..1973..a friend had an extra ticket so I went even though I had never even heard of them before.....I could not even speak when it was over...took a bit to come back down to earth...been a madman for them ever since.
The Knife is awesome on Live!
Seconds Out is far and away the best live album in my view....See Steve Hackett doing it live this autumn...can't wait
Kevin we are in agreement, I was at that show
yeah i saw him in 2019? or so in Auckland NZ. simply awesome. enjoy the show im waiting till 2022 now. Agree love Seconds Out.
I'm seeing him in September and genesis the next day!!!
It's a least in the top 10 double-live's ever made.... (just my opinion..and I"m not die-hard like others..that's how impressed I am with that album.
Sencons Out is one of the best albuns in the history of rock. This guy is nuts
I still get goosebumps after goosebumps on Second Out
Great live album.....without Gabriel....but....
It is very special...
Smoke a dooby like we used to do in college....it's even better.
I have been following Genesis for the last 40 years and I consider it to be maybe the best band or one of the best bands of all time! And I happen to agree with 90% of your choice from worst to best! Thanks for sharing your ideas for this extraordinary group, exquisite and historical band!
I love that you picked TLLDOB at number one. I think part of the reason that Selling England by the Pound had such a great reputation is that, by then, they fairly well transcended the genre and form of progressive rock. Unlike a band like ELP (great as they were), Genesis rarely feels held in place by any one style by that point. However, on The Lamb, they've practically departed all known style and form. There was no precedent for what they were doing, lyrically or musically. They had created their own universe and I think that's something easy to forget because they mostly came back to Earth on A Trick of the Tail. But I agree, in that I feel like I'm still learning new things when I hear the album today.
All that said, I could easily take Selling England at number one on another day but the Lamb is a force to be reckoned with.
Selling England was great because it was like the culmination of all their previous skills, refined to perfection. What makes the Lamb so perfect is that not only was it a concept album, but the concept itself was morphed to provide epic sequences of songs that accentuate their clever dynamic shifts. The tracklist itself is perfection They soar, they rage, they get giddy and foolish, they pull you in with a strange theme that really works. And no two songs sound the same, apart from the delicate instrumentals. But their ferocious dedication to perfection in producing the album left them shattered as a band, touring in bittersweet fashion knowing their genius front man would soon depart.
Not really a surprise as almost every person that prefers the Gabriel years picks this album.
I appreciate your opinion(s).
There is no bad Genesis album, in my opinion.
Duke is always my favorite complete album.
But I think everyone, as mentioned, had their own perspective.
I come in the 80's so for me is Phil first, I don't have money to spent for music in that time, so I listened to the radio, after I have money (work) I kinda buy them backwards... So I don't share the same opinions with most of the fans.. Because nothing can compare with the one from your childhood, the memories factor I guessed.. I like then all really..
We can hear your love for Genesis David. My favorite time period is the Hackett years. He sprinkled his gold dust on top of a period of creativity for the band.
People always seem to say the band went downhill after Peter left.He was a huge talent and I love everything he does.But I also love the next two albums after he left.But after Hackett left,it really did go downhill.That's not to say it was all bad.There would be some good moments.But far less in my opinion
Totaly agree , probably the last good record they did "And then there were three" after that they moved into a sort of pop sort of era.Not my cup of tea , gabriel yrs the best .
What I saw was a need to make big money after years of struggling. So they left creative prog rock and became a top 40 group.
@@timwolfers7880 Your American
Yes, I think that's true.
It's not because Hackett left, it was because of the 80s. Progressive rock wasn't popular in the 80s anymore. Pop music was the next big thing. They moved on with the times and they made the right decision if you ask me.
I love Rutherfords playing on And Then There We’re Three😅I love his sounds on there, lots of chorus/delays and I like hearing his style of playing electric start to form….
Agree
Me too!
Interesting, you seem to be initiated. Still I agree with the videomaker. Rutherford is just not a lead guitar player. He lacks personal feel in his fingers. Is the solo beatiful on burning rope. Yes of course. But is it not due to it is well composed. Compare it with how the Firth of fifth solo is performed which was written by Banks. Maybe you see my point even if ypu don’t agree.
"One For The Vine" . . . . . . you're speaking my language!! A true spiritual experience.
Indeed
I almost agree with you in everything , BUUUUUUT for me, Selling England by the Pound is simply the best record ever by any band, so it could not be number two. Thanks for your video!!
I still remember the night I purchased Selling England by the Pound in 1973. Amazing!
@@DennisK55 Yes, me too, Dennis. It changed my life! My poor Mum and Dad had to endure it over and over through my bedroom floor. Bless them. As music-lovers, they became fans too.
Selling England has a special quality. There is no album like it, and took me on a (drug free) trip to a special place.
Ask 20 different Genesis fans their favourite album and you'll get 20 different answers depending on their age. For me, Selling England is their high water mark. I didn't have much regard for Duke until recently. I love it now. What a great album.
Great. I try from time to time the older LPs which I bought, to have all records.....and sold em. But I will give it a chance, like you did with Duke.
All the best from Germany
Lothar as ELPI
I don't think age always affects their taste. I first got into Genesis in the 80's but I prefer their earlier stuff from the seventies(although like all eras).
@@MRWSSHORTY Hope you start to enjoy some of them. It's worth the effort.
My favourites are Trick of the tail ,Wind and wuthering and Duke
David London for me all day long !!!
As much as I like SEBTP,my go to album has always been Lamb.The former is quintessential pastoral and quirky Genesis.Lamb is tougher,grittier,varied from song to song yet almost classical in Chamber of 32 Doors and Lamia.Still love it 48 years after I bought it
Genesis...my favorite band of all time and also my first live gig in Montreal March 2 1977...still have the ticket!
Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats is other worldly amazing.
My guess is that Silent Sorrow is the most underrated Genesis song ever. There are a lot of underrated songs on And Then There Were Three and the non album B sides from the singles. Silent Sorrow is phenomenal, criminally underrated.
And Rivine
Ripples is my favourite ever Genesis studio track!
from their best album.
What makes it special for me is the instrumental section where the keyboards and guitar dance together creating harmony; staggeringly beautiful - but without it, Ripples would just be average IMHO
I love "Ripples".....a masterpiece of a song.
Yep there's something that only tricksters really understand that about the creme de la creme
The Lamb is a stupendous achievement
In spite of all the problems in the making of this record for it to turn like that was quite an achievement in itself.
Literally in 2024 I listened to "Colony of Slippermen" I think David called it the "Fountain of Slipperman" thats ok tho. I am still blown away, I am 61 years 10 months
I could listen to firth of fifth on repeat for hours. When I was 13 I listened to Trick of the Tale for the first time thanks to my big brother ❤️ and I WAS HOOKED from then on!!! when you meet another Genesis fan there’s an instant bond.
I loved everything you said about the albums! and how cool is it that our favorites are spread across SO MANY albums. That’s rare too compared to other bands ahhhh. I love going down memory lane. Be well!! Xo
Two of my favourite ever tracks are Snowbound and Undertow from Then There Three album10th! Never!
It's why I took twenty minutes to offer an analysis of the highs and lows of each of the albums. A simple ranking would have taken all of two minutes.
I think many too many Genesis fans(sorry) tend to place ATTWT lower because to them it represents the end of an era with Hackett leaving rather than judge it solely on its musical value. Some of the songs on there are their finest including the two you mentioned. The weakest track imo is ballad of big, I always skip that track.
@@Eleventhearlofmars I think it is mainly that the proggies who believed this was the end of them as a prog band, and didn’t really embrace post - Hackett Genesis. A lot of them actually didn’t embrace post a Gabriel Genesis!
To be honest, nor have I bothered much after TTWT! I just think it is a great album....but like you, barring Ballad Of The Big. I always programme the CD to play the sides in reverse on the CD, so Deep In The Motherlode etc. is the start of the second half. Although I think that that song is ideal as an opener. I wonder if they ever opened a concert with that one?
I think most really wanted ATTWT to be great. It was simply the weakness of Rutherford's guitar at the time that has blighted that album. Otherwise, some great tracks.
The proggies hung around long enough to nod their appreciation in the direction of 'Duke'.
You’re right on Martin !
The Lamb.....a crowning achievement in music. #1 for me
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed more closely with a Genesis album ranking. Great summaries and brutally honest.
Of course I’d tweak the order of a couple of albums on my own list, but I think you and I pretty much concur, especially with things like the Firth of Fifth guitar solo - absolutely sublime. (and for me the Seconds Out version is perhaps even more so).
Well done!
You’re a true fan.
I don’t agree with every single one, but you really got most of it right.
I liked your insights on the band members. Namely your assessment of And then there were three and Rutherford vs Hackett. Spot on !
I have been following Genesis since 73,their albums are all masterpiece,personally i believe that the LAMB is a double out of the ordinary, exceptional,unique,inimitable.When Peter and then Steve came out, i have only a fantastic memory left.
Genesis is my favorite band of all time. I was lucky enough to see them live 8 times. I had never heard of them until I was a counselor of the senior boys cabin at summer camp in 1972. One of the young men had brought the Lamb album. I was a fan immediately. The first tour I saw was the Wind and Wuthering tour. Which I believe is what became Seconds Out. I agree with the order of almost all of your choices and comments but I think Second Home by the Sea “ROCKS.” It is one of my favorite Genesis pieces.
To think you just sat and listened to that (1974) album not realising the boy had cracked time travel!
Similar to you, I was completely obsessed with Genesis. Foxtrot was my favourite album. It took a long time but like you I eventually came to prefer The Lamb as it still offers something new and fresh.
Right about the same for me here.
A joy to hear someone talking with the same passion I have for this band. Thought Duke's ranking was slightly harsh, the only one I would have among my top 5 of the post-Hackett era. Congrats on the video.
My Top 15 Genesis Albums.
15. We Can't Dance
14. Calling All Stations
13. Invisible Touch
12. Genesis
11. Abacab
10. ...And then There was 3
9. Duke
8. Wind and Wuthering
7. A Trick of the Tail
6. The Lamb Lies down on Broadway
5. From Genesis to Revelation
4. Nursery Cryme
3. Trespass
2. Selling England by the Pound
And #1. Foxtrot.
Now this is the list!!
YES, this works for me.
FGTR No. 5 brave call, very underrated i do agree
That’s just a list of the albums by age ;-)
@@MrBlubb80
What does that tell you?
Interesting.For me its Seconds Out. Just utterly brilliant. I know its not a studio, but this is the album that for defines what Genesis is all about.
Cant agree more . No 1 in my book .
I have to agree - probably the most definitive Genesis album.
Agree with you
As someone born in the 90s I find Your Own Special Way to be a really lovely song. It might have something to do with me not being around for the late 70s period of schmaltzy yacht-rock and ballad oversaturation, but it seems refreshingly wholesome for someone reared in a time where music is so brutally cynical and nihilistic.
Genesis (1983) is the only Genesis post Gabriel album that I really like. Home By the Sea - Second Home by the Sea is in my advice the best musical piece from this era. And is on a par with all the great songs they made before Peter Gabriel left. Better than some.
Have big love for 'Trespass'. It's fault is that it was not recorded and mixed very well. Their ideas had gotten so big, so early. Their studio savvy had not caught up yet. But the remaster helps a lot. "Stagnation", "Knife", "Looking for someone" are great tracks. For me "The Lamb" would probably be first too; with 'Foxtrot" and "Selling England" and "Trick" right behind. "Nursery" is so good, and so much better than anything before, but there are some weaker short cuts that dilute it, and the Live versions o0f the epics destroy the studio renditions.
You are right about the remix
@@kennethmarshall306 Re 'Trespass'? One can only imagine how that album would have sounded, had the classic line-up been in place. There is hardly any electric guitar on "Trespass'. The band have said how important Anthony Phillips was for their early days, and how they almost packed it in, when he left. He seems to have written some good parts on songs, but he probably did them a great favor by leaving. Collins is obviously a monster drummer, but Hackett brought so much definition, and muscle to the songs, and arrangements.
@@palacerevolution2000 Yes. When, in about 2004, I listened to Trespass remastered it was almost unrecognisable from the tape I had from the 1980’s.
Trespass is definitely higher on my list.
@@kennethmarshall306 I need to consciously go and re-listen to it. I listen to so much music; but always in 'shuffle'. I know that 'Trespass' new is much better that 'Trespass' old, but now after your comment, I must check out again.
I was there at Knebworth for the Then There Were Three show, what a magnificent night that was. I would agree 100% that your top five would be interchangeable, but like you I normally place The Lamb as No 1 just for being a full double of absurdly high quality.
Lamb is my favourite album of all time.Such a lot to discover
I really love "Genesis" (yellow album), my favourite album of the Collins era. My alltime favourite is "The Lamb lies down on Broadway" and there is of course "Genesis Live". One last thing: I've seen the "Calling all Stations" tour in Dortmund / Germany and it was great! Ray Wilson is a fantastic singer, especially his performance of "Calling all Stations" and "The Carpet Crawlers" was awesome.
No comment about him dissing Mama as their worst album? You love it and he said it was their worst.
Excellent video, a lifelong Genesis fan, every time I listen to any of their albums I hear something new!
"Different things to different people".. the sign of a great band 👍
"Different eyes see different things, different hearts beat on different strings"--GL.
1. The Lamb
2. Duke
3. Selling England
4. Trick of the Tail
5. Nursery Cryme
6. Foxtrot
7. And Then There Were Three
8. Wind and Wuthering
9. Abacab
10. Trespass
11. Genesis mama
12. Invisible Touch
13. We Can't Dance
14. From Gen to Rev
15. Calling Bullshit
"Carpet Crawlers" probably my fave Genesis song.
It's the one which got me into early Genesis. Before I only knew their 80s/90s hits from radio and MTV. I also had the Invisible Touch album on CD. Then on the local radio station in the evening they used to have a segment where they played quiet songs. Carpet Crawlers came on and I was fascinated. Next day I asked my oldest brother with a huge record collection if he had this song. He didn't, but gave me Trespass and a compilation called "Rock Theatre". It was music like I'd never heard before. Soon afterwards I had all the old Genesis albums and prog rock has since been my favourite music genre, with Genesis still topping the whole of it.
Either that...or the mighty "Squonk".........
Really enjoyed the ratings and your enthusiasm for genesis was obvious..always loved wind and wuthering and trick of the tale personally 😀
I really enjoyed your take on these albums - 25 minutes flew by - very well informed, and nicely packaged with an excerpt from each album as you discussed it. Brought back memories. I will have to go back and check out the remixes you mentioned. I came of age listening to genesis, tull, ELP, yes, gentle giant. Saw genesis at knebworth back in the day, and it was stunning.
For me a funny thing happened though, as each band matured and personnel changed ( and presumably I changed) I lost interest, whereas you appear to have stuck with it.
With Genesis, they peaked creatively for me with Lamb lies Down, stopped listening after Wind and Wuthering.
With Yes the peak was Close to the Edge, stopped listening after Relayer.
With ELP it was Brain Salad Surgery, stopped listening after Fanfare, the last classic ELP song.
With Tull it was Songs from the Wood, gave up on them after "Too old to rock and roll"
With Gentle Giant it was The Power and the Glory ( "playing the game" from that album is up there with anything those other bands did )
Good times!
These days I listen to jazz with a melodic/progressive tinge (like Metheny or Jacob Collier ).
But Too Old To Rock N Roll came out before Songs From The Wood.
The first Genesis album I heard was "Genesis Live". Glad to see someone else holds it in the same regard I do. Well done, sir.
I do too! The second ever album I bought. The first was Selling England. :)
A great list. My only differences are that I would put 'Genesis to Revelation' much higher and 'Wind and Wuthering' has never really resonated with me (I should give it another go). Like you, I place 'The Lamb' first and foremost. It is the first Genesis album I ever listened to and the one I consider the apotheosis of their art. In my opinion their narrative content fell away without Gabriel's conceptual thinking. I think that the conflict between Gabriel and Banks for control of direction created their greatest work. Cheers.
WM i use to think the same myself because the pressings i owned weren't very good, mainly lacking in dynamics an bass. do a bit of research and find a good pressing. you will be surprised.
Every album is different... And great... Love each one of them.
It's true. I named a pappy dog, Chocolate Surprise (Choc) a verse from The Cinema Show. I love the first 5 albums (songs like The Lamia, Carpet Crawlers, White Montains ... I grown up with Genesis . Some years after I will be in SIAE as music composer. Very important for me.
The only bad thing on the first live album is its too short. We would take more songs.
I find it hard that they are not going to re-release that someday as a double-CD......give it time.
Live at the Rainbow 1973 has the Supper's Ready from that tour that is Genesis Live
Foxtrot was my introduction to this band. I was absolutely floored with the artistic writing & musical talents. 1st album along at the same day, I went back to the store and even the clerks said I was going to be hooked. They became my top band next to Black Sabbath and Deep Purple.? 74 or 75? Alice Cooper falls in there too. (My 1st concert). To this day, the end movement of the Musical Box has me in tears. After T.T.W.3., I said they sold out. Never bought any more from them. But they are still #1 as far as my ``Art Rock " bands. Thanks for the reviews. I'll be checking out more of your videos for sure. Peace out brother...
Thanks. Great comment. The end section of The Musical Box often has the same effect on me.
@@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 The romanticism of that farewell and yearning, the organ during "casting doubt on all Have to say..", I'm feeling it all right now hearing it in my head...
Just thank God for the existence of that song and of the band on our planet.
@@paolocoletti1574 one of the most powerful sections of any song period
Great list! I was 9 in 1983, so the self-titled was my introduction, so there’s always a place in my heart for that record. Agree with #1. Took me some time to get into that record, but once I did, I was hooked.
Ironically watching Steve Hackett live tours recently brings back the bet memories of the original Genesis - what I would consider to be the best period
I always loved And There Were Three #1. Duke is probably #2. Trick of the Tail is my #3. Wind and Wuthering #4. Phil said somewhere that he didn’t want to do anything like before and stick to the more popish theme. I did like Calling All Stations. I thought it was an interesting album. I should do my top 10 albums.
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is not only my favourite but it is also Genesis's best album . Incidentally , both Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins agree .
Phils choice is invisible touch.
Check it out
@@fernandodeleon7466 I have seen many interviews with Phil where he always cites The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway as his favourite Genesis album .
@@ThefightingCelt but he conseguido invisible touch in his latest interviews,inteoducing his autobiography
Sorry, my Phone...
I meant lately he Was saying that introducing his New book
Very nice view of Genesis very close to mine. I came in later with "Seconds Out" and "And then there were three". Then discovered 70ies Genesis, which is still my favorite. 👍🎵🖖
Here my ranking:
1. Selling England by the Pound
2. Foxtrot
3. Nursery Cryme
4. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
5. A Trick of the Tail
6. Wind & Wuthering
7. Trespass
8. Abacab
9. Invisible Touch
10. Duke
11. And Then There Were Three
12. We Can't Dance
13. Genesis
14. From Genesis to Revelation
15. Calling All Stations
And the top half of the list is older than me. The first seven spots are fixed, just as the last three. The spots 8-12 may vary from day to day.
Trespass is brilliant, nothing like all that commercial stuff that they did in the 80s
Right ! Trespass is tremendous !!!
I totally agree. he underrated Trespass. It's up there with the best 8 albums
My fav Genesis live album is actually the Archive 1 version of the Lamb (along with the tracks from the Rainbow 1973). As you describe, they sound absolutely ferocious. Phil is out of control! Sure, they replaced some stuff. I don't care. The end result is fantastic. That's the album that brought me back to being a Genesis fan after about 15 years of indifference.
That Archive #1 version is definitely great, but don't you think the ending of 'It' seems rather rushed? Otherwise a fantastic recording.
@@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 Actually, the fact that they had to use an alternate studio version because the multitrack ran out in the recording truck works out for me. I love the bass line on 'It.' To me, it's one of the song's main hooks. They obviously can't do it live since they can't really drop the rhythm guitar, but I always miss that bass line in the live versions. So having that studio version is actually a bonus for me, even if it's not the actual live recording.
Wow. That (Genesis the album) is my favorite of all time. I love Home by the Sea. Intriguing how different our taste is.
15. & Then There Were 3
14. From Genesis to Revelation
13. Calling All Stations
12. We Can't Dance
11. Invisible Touch
10. Trespass
9. Duke
8. Genesis
7. Abacab
6. Wind & Wuthering
5. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
4. Trick of the Tail
3. Foxtrot
2. Nursery Cryme
1. Selling England by the Pound
And there were three 15...poooh..pooh..haha
"many too many" sums up for me what genesis is about... What a great band... A huge one
My absolute favourite genesis song 👍
Para mí Selling es el mejor álbum, tanto en composición como en sonido, además contiene, que yo considero, el mejor de todos los tema de esa década (Firth Of Fifth). Hasta Duke todo bien, lo que vino después toda batata radial.
Indendo tutto quello che hai scritto, e sono d'accordo.
I've discovered that most songs peter out after about 40-50 listenings. Supper's Ready and LLDOB are up in the many hundreds and still going strong 🙏 Great commentary!
Dear David : thanks a lot for your valuable contribution , I plenty do not agree with your vision ...but you have earned all my respect.
1. The lamb lies down on broadway
2. Foxtrot
3. Nursery cryme
4. Selling England by the pound
5. Trespass
6. A trick of the tail
7. Wind and Wuthering
8. Duke
9. ABACAB
10. Self titled
11. And then there were three
12. Invisible touch
13. From genesis to revelation
14. We can't dance
15. Calling all stations
the best are the remastered editions and not the boring remixes in 2007 (with deleted parts) with very bad sounds for the drums especially for the toms-snare-bass drums
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my fav is duke and nursery crime but in fact all !
I agree with you The Lamb has so much to discover every time you listen to it. Yet Foxtrot is my personal favourite
The lamb is the only album that I still play all the time masterpiece
Luv all the older Genesis albums up to Trick of the tale. After that they become less melodic although i do like Heath Haze (Duke Album). You can't beat a Genesis live concert it just takes you into another world amazing experience.
A shout out for the Archive collection. Some brilliant live performances there from the Gabriel era - and a full Lamb show (with some overdubs). Also, Three Sides Live has the incredible In the Cage medley - by the time they finish Afterglow, I'm just done. What a great live band they were.
Appreciate this review and insights.
You absolutely nailed it in the Top 5... I can flip Selling England and Lamb... I've been Selling England for about a decade... but recently I've started tilting towards The Lamb for the reasons you talk about. The sheer diversity of the songs... and is there a better moment than when Gabriel sings about "hovering like a fly... waiting for the windshield on the freeway" ... a second goes by of suspense and then Hackett lays down the hammer!! Insanely great.
I won't touch the stuff after Duke, anymore... just doesn't interest me.
Post-Hackett was a real sticking point for me (they survived two albums then it just got a bit weak tea). Hackett's solo stuff was more interesting and I wish so many of those songs had been recorded by the band. The idea of Genesis playing "Please Don't Touch," "A Tower Struck Down" (I know... three members of the band on there), Spectral Mornings, Clocks, Please Don't Touch," "Jacuzzi," "Air-Conditioned Nightmare," "The Steppes," etc.. ?? That would have been amazing.
Thanks for your thoughts on all of these albums... Great stuff!
I agree about the post Duke albums... but it's really tough for me to rank my favorites. I think the first Genesis song I ever heard on the radio was Dancing with the Moonlit Night. Then I heard the Seconds Out record from an older friend that was into Jethro Tull. I was blown away by the epic Firth of Fifth. Then after hearing Genesis Live with Gabriel, I bought all the Gabriel era albums. I remember hearing the Punk inspiring "Back in NY" on 91X (alternative radio station in San Diego). My 3 favorite "get lost on headphones" albums are Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering and ATTW3. A friend in high school taught me how to play the intro to Blood on the Rooftops... I love that song! I saw the Duke tour at the San Diego Sports Arena but I would rather have been in Paris, October, 1977.
1- A trick of the tail, 2- Selling England by the pound, 3- Wind & Wuthering, 4- Foxtrot, 5-Nursery Cryme, 6-Tlldob, 7-Duke, 8-And then there were three, 9-Genesis, 10- Abacab, 11- Trespass, 12-Invisible touch, 13- We can´t dance. 14- Calling all stations, 15- From Genesis to revelation. Gracias por el vídeo, Genesis es la banda de sonido de mi vida, sin lugar a dudas mi banda favorita.
Well, you and I sort of agree. I love Duke though.
Trick of the Tail is a masterpiece in my opinion.
As a self proclaimed Genesis expert and seeing them live 12 times, Seconds Out was the best
I did have the honor of Phil Collins signing my drum sticks after a Brand X show at the old Waldorf in S.F. Oh those were the days
We Genesis fans were far and few back in the day,late 60's early 70's, but now we are United. Most people just don't get them. I used to play their music in the 80's and some of my friends would say that they sucked. Genesis, took you to another realm, with or without drugs
Genesis is everyone's favorite band (LOL), even their worst album is better than most bands best albums. they should have made a couple of more albums with that new singer, I agree, Calling all stations was a good first album with him.
I love genesis but their worst album is definitely not better than most bands’ best albums. That’s just silly.
Calling all Stations.....🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉
Huge Genesis fan here! I enjoyed your video. I would’ve moved Genesis To Revelation higher as I love that album.
I wholeheartedly agree on The Lamb as number 1. Side 4 is my favorite! Cheers!
I really love From Genesis to Revelation. Not in my Top5 but very close. I personally don´t like any of the albums from 1980 to now. (By the way as David Atkinson mentioned the Bee Gees I don´t like any of their songs from 1970 on but Genesis is another level isn´t it) I love Selling England best I think.
I can't stand the debut. I understand Gabriel's original intention for Genesis was to make it a pop band, but those songs were just awful. And the rest of the world knew it. Sold pretty much just to friends. What a difference with Trespass, and by Nursery and positive member changes, they really had something great.
@@n8goulet Get your position. Of course Trespass, Nursery Crime, Foxtrott and Selling England are top. And these are what makes the band so special. For me some of the best albums ever made. Out of question. But as I grew up with The Beatles and garage rock of the Sixties I also prefer anytime good pop songs to boring prog. And sorry but I prefer some simple psychedelic folk and post punk to almost every album of the Phil Collins era genesis. Just my oppinion. But of course there is so much music around which is worse. Art especially music has to be able to send shivers down my spine. And how much anyone sells to who is not important. You know this.
I love those “awful” songs on Genesis To Revelation a lot. Then again I’m a huge Bee Gees fan so that probably explains it.
@@frankholdman743 Later Bee Gees were pretty good. I haven't really listened to their 1960s material. I can only say, it was clearly the wrong influence for Genesis at the time. And a pop direction Peter Gabriel it was. People need to get it out of their heads that Phil took Genesis to pop. It was more like....Genesis took him towards pop.
I'm your age and my first concert was Genesis "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway""too. It also is to me their best album because I saw it live before I bought it. I had no idea of what to expect. Then I became a lifelong fan.
Strange how we all have our favourites... I don't listen to "Selling England" any more, apart from "Dancing with the moonlit knight" and "Epping Forest", the other songs sounded much better when played live, even Firth of Fifth without Steve Hackett ! Here's my top 5:
1. And then there were three
2. A trick of the tail
3. Wind and Wuthering
4. The lamb lies down
5. Duke
"And then there were three" is my absolute favourite: so delicate and intense, a mysterious album cover, fantastic sound, brilliant drumming..."Down and out", a very heavy track (with a subtle "Tristan chord" hidden within the keyboard intro), "Motherlode", "Say it's alright", 2 masterpieces by Mike Rutherford, and the epic "the lady lies"... Some of us love this record, some don't... well... Steve Hackett had left, and... I don't mind at all !
I can't believe I haven't spotted the Tristan Chord in there. You're referencing possibly the greatest musical composition in history. 👍🏻
@@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 Hello to you ! The first note of Down and out is a B, first chord: Em, then Em6, then, a"Tristan chord": B D# F G#.... I didn't know until I tried and played it ! Something else I noticed: the great Mellotron intro for Watcher of the skies "borrows" a 6 chord sequence from the prelude to Act 3 from Siegfried . It's very obvious once you've "heard" it... was it intentional ? I don't mind as it sounds so good !
We are so close to having the same ranking. I guess for me TLLDOB is a good album but just not my favorite. The early years lead by Peter are not really my favorites in general but there are some real gems amongst them.
Selling England all day for me.
From Brazil: Very good! Genesis my favorite band.
Art Greenslade was responsible for the strings on From Genesis to Revelation. His son is none other than Dave Greenslade, of Colosseum fame, and of course the band of his namesake, Greenslade.
Steve Hackett leaving was quite a big loss to Genesis. And Then There Were Three was the last album of their's that I bought. It was a sadly empty album . The rest were just unlistenable for me .I remember when Wind and Wuthering was released and it was a wonderful winter album as you said in your video .
Thanks for that review. I really enjoyed your comments and your run through the albums. I am generally in line with your own preferences and probably experienced Genesis in much the same way as you did, although, living in South Africa at the time, I never had the opportunity to see them live, instead having to see reconstituted versions of the early tours by Canadian group, The Musical Box, who are pretty good. I am forever grateful to them for being able to deliver a live concert of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, which I had only seen pictures of. 😎
Yes, The Musical Box do a great job, and not only with 'The Lamb'.
If you love Genesis but Lamb isn’t your favourite then you haven’t listened to it often enough. Seriously. 20 or 30 listens are needed until it starts to give back in my experience. Then it never stops giving.
Great video, including your experiences in the past.
I remember starting with Genesis around ‘77 and had a hard time with their direction in ‘81, though I appreciated the Duke tour concert.
Got stoned to Genesis in my bedroom a lot in the 70's - think I saw them first at the Southampton Gaumont in 77 and again at Wembley Stadium in 1987. I tend to agree with you on the albums and where they stand, I think Gabriel leaving and Collins taking over heralded a change in style and they became a lot more 'poppy' - with a certain amount of Phil wallowing in his misery after the wife buggered off. I bought Trick of the Tail on release too and I totally agree about One for the Vine from Wind Wuthering (I was hopelessly in love at the time, so 'Your own special Way' had certain meaning for me. Foxtrot kicked arse and Selling England by the pound is amazing. I agree with Lamb for the number 1 - its an acid trip from start to finish, but not only that, it had power, it had a story to follow - I LOVED IT! - the thing with Genesis when they were live, is they were still close to note and tone perfect. I used to have Genesis Live on vinyl and played it to death
Nobody ever mentions Chamber of 32 Doors from The Lamb. Love their other work but that's my favorite Genesis song.
I love it! I sing that song often.
Chamber is one of my least favorite Genesis songs. Strange.
@@claykriese5381 Nothing "strange". Move along if you haven't got a positive thing to say.
I started with ATTWT and moved on to WAW. Later I fell hopelessly in love with Seconds Out, a wonderful album! I love Genesis!!
And then there were three was the first genesis album I ever bought and still my favourite
One of my favorites too!
And Then They Were Three was awful. They couldn't figure if they still wanted to be prog or wanted to be pop. Therefore, the songs were neither. It was just a mess.
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who gives a damn what you think?
@@calvinwboaz7085 I thought it was pretty good overall, but there are some weak points to it. My favorites are Scenes From a Nights Dream, Ballad of Big, and Deep in the Motherlode. But my #1 and #2 will always be Seconds Out and Trick of the Tail. I also thought Duke was really good and after that it all turned to dog shyte thanks to Tony
Great album my number 3
As a teenager in the 70s, Genesis is the most significant band for me after the Beatles. My top-5: 1. Foxtrot 2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 3. Selling England By The Pound 4. Nursery Cryme 5. A Trick of the Tail
I can still remember the first time I heard Watcher Of The Skies, the first Genesis song I had ever heard... a complete revelation (DA may not have liked it, but it converted me)
I agree 100% I think you are absolutely right.
Just think how much better Wind and Wuthering could have been if Special Way was replaced with Inside and Out and Wot Gorilla replaced with Please Don’t Touch
Inside and out was shit
@@barnabyhughes5643 the second part was a jam... agree?
@@alvogeljr WOT Gorilla ? what
@@arfshesaid4325 wot gorilla is there.. it’s just there .. I guess looking back we can think of possibilities of Wot being a b side
Lamb is my favourite with Slippermen as my favourite Genesis song.
Great job well done...i am a Genesis fan up to Trick Of The Tail
I started with Invisible Touch, their most popish (but one of the greatest) album, and then moved to earlier albums. My musical taste evolved and i was so happy to get the songs, which i didn't understand before. So i love both periods, and Duke is my favourite album.
You nail it quite well. The sad thing with Genesis is to imagine what could have been if Gabriel would have stayed and they would have continued in the path of Lamb lies down. I agree with The lamb at #1 because it is such an imaginative album and such a change in style, while remaining challenging and emotional music. Having that much talent in the same band is just incredible. The problem was the competitive nature of Banks and Gabriel, and to some extent, in an introverted way, Hackett. They were lacking appreciation for one another at that time. You listen to them, and they seem to only care about their compositions, their input, so again, the competitive nature. When one look at what Peter and Steve did as solo artists in the late 70s and early 80s, mix that with the best of what the band did at that time, like the Duke suite, plus stuff likthe long song Smallcreep's day by Rutherford. There was potential for many other masterpieces. Sadly, Wind & Wuthuring was the last one, and after that there was bits and pieces here and there on the band albums and solo albums. Also, if Peter would have stayed, Phil likely remains only a great drummer, or at least, he would have been unable to pull the band into this cheezy pop era.
Even Gabriel fell into the pop era. "In Your Eyes," "Sledgehammer," "Big Time" etc. etc. Even Yes and bands like Rush moved to a pop sound. It helped them survive.
Thanks very much. Your analysis of the competing egos and personalities of the band members is well-judged. Hackett's post-Genesis output has been excellent in places, the first three albums in particular. But man, after that he needed (and needs) an editor. Pushback from the likes of Banks would have tightened up the quality. No doubt.
I like lots of the solo stuff. 'Smallcreep's Day' is superb, like you suggest, especially side 1. Gabriel's albums are all great in their own way. Collins more pop approach was still great. Only Banks' solo albums are weak. I so wanted to love his first album, but it was crushingly disappointing. He needs that pushback too!
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Guitar Noir and Darktown are two other great albums from Hackett, but I agree that on other ones there are too much weak stuff. Good pieces are lost on bad albums. That being said, Steve is the only one that showed real love for the progressive music the band did in the seventies. The other four guys are mostly proud of their commercial success in the eighties, either in Genesis or as solo pop artists.
I think Big Pete left at exactly the right time. If he had stayed post Lamb I think a degree of sameness and staleness may have set in. A Trick shows a freshness in approach in some of the tracks whilst still maintaining the musical and structural complexity inherent in previous albums and the guys would have been highly motivated to prove that they could still maintain that standard of excellence with or without the previous vocalist and I would argue strongly that they did here and also with the next album.
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I don't agree. Imagine what Pete did with his third and fourth albums integreated into Genesis and add to that some of what Steve did on Spectral Mornings and Defector. There still a lot of potential for freshness, originality and new ideas. And that would have kept the other three on the right path. But we won't rewrite history.
Had to watch this again as I am one of those not fully committed fans only having half a dozen albums and have learned a lot.