I thought spices were thought to be what poor people food tastes like so that's why English food is bland because they didn't want to associate what they ate with the 'downtrodden ' so they actively Avoided it.. Truly interesting..
@@MeadeMorganIII No. "If one cannot enjoy the natural flavors of food without spices, then one does not enjoy the food, but the spice." And... "Many peasants food had so much garlic (or spice) that the food tasted atrocious, thus giving folks the impression that garlic (or spice) was of foul taste." Fact: Some folks still put too much garlic in Garlic Noodles.
@@MeadeMorganIII nah the english FEARED the curry when it first arrived lmao then the arrival of south asian nationals resulted in the unique innovation called chicken tikka masala
Ginger is my favorite and it's apparently really good for you. Next time you have an upset stomach, try a small piece. 😊 I think there are like over 150 varieties.
@@georg8192 they gen work! i used ginger candy to help w nausea from chemotherapy - it's not like a prescription med, obviously, but it does help and it's cheap and easy to get (and tasty!). there's legit scientific studies backing it up!
Ever tried Sichuan pepper that has been sitting out? It kinda sucks. All these other ones keep their potency really well when not kept airtight, while Sichuan pepper fades super fast.
Wierd Explorer has a whole documentary on nutmeg. I'm sad he didn't take you with him. It would've been perfect. I would be interested to see you follow in his footsteps to attempt a more historical approach.
I would imagine spices native to the colonies were used frequently but not written about because they were seen as lesser. I know in my backyard in Eastern Pennsylvania pennsylvania I can grab spicebush, wintergreen, sassafras, wild mint, wild garlic, and sage most of the year.
I am sure someone has commented this before, but Weird Explorer has an AMAZING documentary on nutmeg here on RUclips! Love your content as well! I love your passion for history and have learned so much from this channel.
I do the same thing bashing the garlic with the knife. But what if your hand slips and you bash into the sharp part? Maybe this isnt the safest way to squash garlic
Nutmeg hallucinations are not the kind you're thinking of. They're anxiety/feeling of doom kind. Also, you die at that point. And nutmeg doesn't stimulate menstruation in any safety dose. People ate it for food.
You need quite a bit, but it definitely makes a big difference in taste, a bechamel sauce or mashed potatoes without nutmeg is just so much more bland.
Was garlic rare? You show it on the video but dont mention it. Ive started growing garlic recently and its brain-dead easy, so Id be shocked if it was hard for people in that time period to just grow themselves in a little side-plot or something.
If I remember correctly, in the video that this short is pulled from, he mentions that onions and garlic were common to grow in a poor personal kitchen garden.
afaik, there's ways to enjoy food that doesn't involve bold flavors to enjoy them. Sunday roasts are an example of this and probably other british dishes.
No? No, that's not true. The no spice thing comes from a combination of Victorian pseudoscience and two world wars. We know how the English cooked in the 14th-18th centuries. They used plenty of spices.
If you use a whole nutmeg, for one portion of food, yes (5g is about the minimum for any kind of effect). You'd also not taste anything besides nutmeg at that point.
I atill find it hilarious that people will eat something with spices from 3 different continets and then still complain about immigrants. You can't just take our stuff, and than say we are bad.
Garlic and shallots are aromatics, not spices and they were indigenous to western Europe. They grow literally everywhere they are planted. Why do they figure in your illustrations?
Several of the flavorings shown (onions, garlic, parsley, bay leaves) were easy to grow in England and America, and wouldn't have been too expensive. There were lots of other herbs available, too.
So, you folks in the US didn't go through what we in Britain did during the two big punch-ups: Rationing, or, to be more specific, rationing of imported foods. The US is a fundamentally different place to the UK: It has the capability to be largely self-sufficient with regards to food and a broad range of flavourings for those foods, because it has such a diverse set of biomes. Meanwhile, in the UK, we have a temperate and largely-maritime climate, which means that, while we've got plenty of green bits, there is comparatively considerably less variation in the types of plants that grow here. Until the mid-20th century, that meant that if you wanted to display your wealth while eating, you had two options: overconsumption (which was part of rural aristocratic eating, even as late as the Victorian period - when feasting, it was customary for too much food to be prepared, and what wasn't taken by the guests would be distributed among the local lower classes) or the use of imported ingredients, such as exotic meats and vegetables or, as was far more common, the use of spices such as pepper, nutmeg, cloves, ginger, etc. Then came the Second World War, and the German u-boats. The British government was concerned that, if the u-boats were successful in completely blockading Britain, the population might literally starve to death, so rationing was introduced in 1940. This, remarkably, largely resulted in an *improvement* in the health of British people, because you took what you could get, and that meant that, firstly, people were often eating a more varied diet than before, and secondly, that people started growing their own food, which meant that their vegetables often travelled less far than they had previously and were, as a result, more nutritious. However, that rationing also meant that importing non-essential foods mostly stopped - including those spices that had previously been so important in culinary displays of upper-class wealth. Sugar rationing in Britain ended in 1953, and food rationing ended in 1954. It has been less than 100 years since that happened. We are, to a large extent, still getting used to the idea that we *can* import, and hence use, spices again. In short: The reason that the Brits have a reputation for unspiced food is that we went through 14 pretty brutal years of almost no non-essential foods being imported, that Britain doesn't have the climate for most spices, and that we hadn't imported growing stock for those spices that the climate is suitable for that weren't already here.
@@malcolmdarke5299 A similar thing happened in America with our food. post-war American food is often mocked as being bland and canned, but this was a product of both wartime (and great depression) rationing habits combined with the remarketing of military canned and prepackaged food as an inexpensive meal for the whole family. A lot of amazing cuisine nearly went extinct in both of our countries, fortunately some people are trying to bring back the old recipes.
Can you explain why there are so many varieties of cinnamon and which one is which? It's my favourite spice but one that changes so much is flavour depending on where you are. (Brasilian cinnamon is the best IMHO)
what are the odds that all historical, anthropological, and sociological thought on the matter is wrong but a youtube comment is correct? I admit the chance of that isnt exactly 0, but its not high either.
We're incredibly lucky that they're relatively cheap nowadays. When Venerable Bede made his will he listed a few peppercorns as one of his 'treasures.'
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He who controls the spice controls the universe.
I thought spices were thought to be what poor people food tastes like so that's why English food is bland because they didn't want to associate what they ate with the 'downtrodden ' so they actively Avoided it..
Truly interesting..
Dune reference
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No.
"If one cannot enjoy the natural flavors of food without spices, then one does not enjoy the food, but the spice."
And...
"Many peasants food had so much garlic (or spice) that the food tasted atrocious, thus giving folks the impression that garlic (or spice) was of foul taste."
Fact: Some folks still put too much garlic in Garlic Noodles.
@@MeadeMorganIII nah the english FEARED the curry when it first arrived lmao
then the arrival of south asian nationals resulted in the unique innovation called chicken tikka masala
Lisan Al-Gaib!
My favorite spice comes from Arrakis
The spice must flow.
That stuff is supposed to be addictive, and it turns your eyes blue. I'd stay away from it.
@@ThatsMrPencilneck2U blue, yellow, pink whatever man! I need my spice
Made me laugh during a crappy day, thanks, internet stranger 😂
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Ginger is also something that can be grown in most temperate climates. Unlike most others, that only do well in tropical or semitropical places.
That was my thought. Roots grow anywhere
Ginger is my favorite and it's apparently really good for you. Next time you have an upset stomach, try a small piece. 😊 I think there are like over 150 varieties.
Did it work for you?
@@georg8192 Of course it worked, didn't you see him in Shrek with his gum drop buttons?
Ginger candies from the Asian store are great for upset tummy. Ginger ale works too.
@@ccarts2567 I have bad news. There's almost never any real ginger in ginger ale.
@@georg8192 they gen work! i used ginger candy to help w nausea from chemotherapy - it's not like a prescription med, obviously, but it does help and it's cheap and easy to get (and tasty!). there's legit scientific studies backing it up!
Allspice is so underrated. It's like a wonderful spice mix all in one.
hence the name
Allspice IS a mix of spices. From memory ginger, star aniseed, clove, nutmeg and cinnamon
@@Lucas0alucard Yeah 😁
@@Jamaramlolz No, it's not. It's a pepper with a very complex flavor profile.
@@Jamaramlolz That's Mixed Spice. Allspice is a specific plant
i'm big into Chinese cooking. for a few years, i've wondered why sichuan peppercorn is not a popular spice in the west. i find it to be addictive
We prefer cocaine.
Ever tried Sichuan pepper that has been sitting out? It kinda sucks. All these other ones keep their potency really well when not kept airtight, while Sichuan pepper fades super fast.
It degrades in oxygen
@@briancooney9952 tastes like flowers to me, I love it!
Mace is amazing…especially the Windu kind
I should have anticipated a solid wall of Dune comments.
The KING Of Spices.
Hail King Nutmeg!! Long Live The King!!!
LPOTL told me all I need to know about the spice trade 😂😂❤
I believe pepper was the king of spices.
It's always surprising to me just how incredibly popular certain spices like nutmeg used to be. You almost never see nutmeg used nowadays
Nutmeg is my go-to spice for the ground beef/spinach filling for my homemade ravioli!
The spice will flow from Malacca.
The Emperor commands it.
The spice must flow
Power over spice, is power over all
It's amazing that nutmeg and mace were so vastly different in price. They both come from the same fruit. Mace is the outer layer of the nutmeg seed
Control the spice control the universe
Got that reference
Wierd Explorer has a whole documentary on nutmeg. I'm sad he didn't take you with him. It would've been perfect. I would be interested to see you follow in his footsteps to attempt a more historical approach.
It's really interesting how the famous spices end up kind of getting blended into our Christmas/holiday/ pumpkin mix
The silk road of spices
"All you use is salt and pepper"
People have died for pepper...
Just listened to a very long podcast about the disaster of the Batavia. Nutmeg was what they were seeking before everything went sideways.
All history is driven by spice struggle
Weird Explorer just did a documentary on the history of nutmeg.
It's incredibly depressing.
So what about the spice substitutes used on the frontier? Things like Spicebush for example
This! So many "wild peppers", each having a very different and particular flavour.
I would imagine spices native to the colonies were used frequently but not written about because they were seen as lesser. I know in my backyard in Eastern Pennsylvania pennsylvania I can grab spicebush, wintergreen, sassafras, wild mint, wild garlic, and sage most of the year.
I would love to see if there were recipes for the rich that specifically showcased nutmeg. Or recipes for common folk that hacked NOT having nutmeg?
The spice must flow!
I am sure someone has commented this before, but Weird Explorer has an AMAZING documentary on nutmeg here on RUclips! Love your content as well! I love your passion for history and have learned so much from this channel.
I do the same thing bashing the garlic with the knife. But what if your hand slips and you bash into the sharp part? Maybe this isnt the safest way to squash garlic
Nutmeg is also a hallucinogen and was used to stimulate menstruation (like an old school plan B) so i doubt it was popular just for the taste.
Nutmeg hallucinations are not the kind you're thinking of. They're anxiety/feeling of doom kind. Also, you die at that point.
And nutmeg doesn't stimulate menstruation in any safety dose.
People ate it for food.
My country Indonesia is the source of VOC's spices, making it look like arrakis😂😂
Speaking of mace, does anybody know what happened to all of the mace? I haven’t been able to buy any in years
I always thought black pepper was the king of spices. Go figure.
I've heard at one time black pepper was the same price as gold sold by the oz.
I wonder how many people died in how many countries so a bunch of rich people could put 1/16 of a teaspoon of pepper in their mashed potatoes
VOC YEA YOU KNOW ME.
Nutmeg the King
What about chilli peppers, though? They're native to North America.
Try Central America for chillies
Ginger can grow in colder climates by anyone. Maybe it's not exotic enough to be that popular.
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Am I crazy or does nutmet just not taste like anything to me? Is this common? I dont really taste paprika either
You need quite a bit, but it definitely makes a big difference in taste, a bechamel sauce or mashed potatoes without nutmeg is just so much more bland.
The spice trade drove colonialism.
Was garlic rare? You show it on the video but dont mention it.
Ive started growing garlic recently and its brain-dead easy, so Id be shocked if it was hard for people in that time period to just grow themselves in a little side-plot or something.
If I remember correctly, in the video that this short is pulled from, he mentions that onions and garlic were common to grow in a poor personal kitchen garden.
"garlic eaters" was an insult directed at poor people, so yes it was very common.
And yet, in the modern age, the English still will use only salt and black pepper.
afaik, there's ways to enjoy food that doesn't involve bold flavors to enjoy them. Sunday roasts are an example of this and probably other british dishes.
So it's like.... usable bitcoin?
I have more spices and condiments in my kitchen than I do actual food. Not one bit sorry about this 😂
Do... Do you spice? 😏
Yet the British wouldn’t use it on any of their food because that would be someone’s inheritance
No? No, that's not true. The no spice thing comes from a combination of Victorian pseudoscience and two world wars.
We know how the English cooked in the 14th-18th centuries. They used plenty of spices.
Nutmeg is also a powerfull hallucinogen with some pretty dangerous sideffects. So don't eat too much.
17th century cookbooks:
If you use a whole nutmeg, for one portion of food, yes (5g is about the minimum for any kind of effect). You'd also not taste anything besides nutmeg at that point.
I atill find it hilarious that people will eat something with spices from 3 different continets and then still complain about immigrants.
You can't just take our stuff, and than say we are bad.
So they just never made it back to England?
Whole industries
And yet the brits use literally none of then use any to this day
Garlic and shallots are aromatics, not spices and they were indigenous to western Europe. They grow literally everywhere they are planted. Why do they figure in your illustrations?
Is onion powder not a spice?
England : *Conquers India*
Also England : Salt and pepper is spicy
And just remember y'all, the British conquered a significant portion of the world for spices and then didnt use any of them in their food
What's mace.
Several of the flavorings shown (onions, garlic, parsley, bay leaves) were easy to grow in England and America, and wouldn't have been too expensive. There were lots of other herbs available, too.
Herbs and spices are different things.
what's with the hat
Nutmeg did not _"feed"_ anyone!
{:o:O:}
And yet England has the worst food on earth
My favourite spice is the kind I get from the dodgy guy outside the betting shop.
Don't forget, they all had unvaccinated meat to eat
Let's see here...
The death rate from disease was 26x higher and the average lifespan was 50.
All that spice..n their food tastes so bad
Making something expensive does NOT drive my desire for it. Quite the opposite.
British in the past: goes to war for spices
British now: Sweet paprika is too spicy
Eat a spoonful of English mustard and repeat that post.
@@chao2609or just literally eat a roast and realize dousing food in spices isn't the only way to taste food
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
I think the English transported ther spices to England and stored it somwehere. Still havent used it over there. Tasteless.
The British conquered the world for spices now they refuse to use them in their food
So, you folks in the US didn't go through what we in Britain did during the two big punch-ups: Rationing, or, to be more specific, rationing of imported foods.
The US is a fundamentally different place to the UK: It has the capability to be largely self-sufficient with regards to food and a broad range of flavourings for those foods, because it has such a diverse set of biomes. Meanwhile, in the UK, we have a temperate and largely-maritime climate, which means that, while we've got plenty of green bits, there is comparatively considerably less variation in the types of plants that grow here. Until the mid-20th century, that meant that if you wanted to display your wealth while eating, you had two options: overconsumption (which was part of rural aristocratic eating, even as late as the Victorian period - when feasting, it was customary for too much food to be prepared, and what wasn't taken by the guests would be distributed among the local lower classes) or the use of imported ingredients, such as exotic meats and vegetables or, as was far more common, the use of spices such as pepper, nutmeg, cloves, ginger, etc.
Then came the Second World War, and the German u-boats. The British government was concerned that, if the u-boats were successful in completely blockading Britain, the population might literally starve to death, so rationing was introduced in 1940. This, remarkably, largely resulted in an *improvement* in the health of British people, because you took what you could get, and that meant that, firstly, people were often eating a more varied diet than before, and secondly, that people started growing their own food, which meant that their vegetables often travelled less far than they had previously and were, as a result, more nutritious.
However, that rationing also meant that importing non-essential foods mostly stopped - including those spices that had previously been so important in culinary displays of upper-class wealth.
Sugar rationing in Britain ended in 1953, and food rationing ended in 1954. It has been less than 100 years since that happened. We are, to a large extent, still getting used to the idea that we *can* import, and hence use, spices again.
In short: The reason that the Brits have a reputation for unspiced food is that we went through 14 pretty brutal years of almost no non-essential foods being imported, that Britain doesn't have the climate for most spices, and that we hadn't imported growing stock for those spices that the climate is suitable for that weren't already here.
@@malcolmdarke5299 A similar thing happened in America with our food. post-war American food is often mocked as being bland and canned, but this was a product of both wartime (and great depression) rationing habits combined with the remarketing of military canned and prepackaged food as an inexpensive meal for the whole family.
A lot of amazing cuisine nearly went extinct in both of our countries, fortunately some people are trying to bring back the old recipes.
Can you explain why there are so many varieties of cinnamon and which one is which? It's my favourite spice but one that changes so much is flavour depending on where you are. (Brasilian cinnamon is the best IMHO)
Wrong lol... expensive isn't the reason people wanted spices. Their taste buds are 😂
what are the odds that all historical, anthropological, and sociological thought on the matter is wrong but a youtube comment is correct? I admit the chance of that isnt exactly 0, but its not high either.
Spices are incredibly common in the 18th century...
for rich people.
Yes that's what he said in the video
We're incredibly lucky that they're relatively cheap nowadays. When Venerable Bede made his will he listed a few peppercorns as one of his 'treasures.'
@@DaDaDo661 Probably they didn't even finished watching the short and immediately comment lol.
What's hilarious is that England had so many spices, but never once decided to use them in anything😮
And nowadays spices disappeared completely from the English food😂
I find it hilarious that they say we don’t spice our food. It’s like, “You know that’s the only reason you live here right?”
who is "they" you are talking about?
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Nutmeg doesn’t even taste that good not sure why the English pumped it up so much.
"Ginger is hot and spicy" - Mayonnaise American
Gatekeeping spiciness in the 19th century is a take.
Ginger activates the same receptors as capsaicin. So yes literally hot and spicy.
have you ever had raw ginger/ginger chews lol
they're definitely not too hot or anything but to deny they have any heat is just wrong
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nutmeg is gross
It's good in small quantities
It's nice in rice pudding.
Cool opinion bro 👍
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So we’ve got the spicebush, how about that? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindera_benzoin
Im not food expert. Not a pro chef.. but i belive king of spice is not a nutmeg.. idc this is my opinion . For me, u wrong sir..
It's always surprising to me just how incredibly popular certain spices like nutmeg used to be. You almost never see nutmeg used nowadays