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highly appreciate the video, for me the most helpful was the pulsar LSW and the naginata i have looked everywhere for a RECENT video on those weapons but they just seem to be from yearsssss back. i appreciate the work put into this and i really hope you do one for ARs next :)
@@holonow4298 Yes there are two in S tier. One of them is a directive unlock weapon. This list shows how much the developers hate the VS. Completely neglected.
The high-mag LMGs were dead-on-arrival since launch. Sacrificed everything for a large magazine only to be surpassed by low-mag LMGs with Extended Mag. Their tier should be renamed "Noob Bait".
I don’t normally comment but I would love to have more planetside 2 tier lists and I love the quick descriptions thank you so much for all the videos over the years bud love your content
A great tier list, honestly makes me look back to my early days of Planetside, trying so hard to find a weapon that just clicked with me without a single clue of how each weapon worked or their particular niches, making new characters again and again (cause I was stingy that way, and felt really bad everytime I made a (subjectively) bad purchase). While it's a subjective look at all the LMGs, I think this is also an great guide which also looks into the investment each weapon brings, which seems to mostly be glossed over by stats. I give this list a 100 out of good. 15:22 Oh hey I made it into a vid too cool
I know it's a lot of work, but I really appreciate the recoil pattern specs as that is one of hardest things to explain to a newer player. Great to see that mad lad gun running I saw on stream and in game a couple days ago get some good content.
I literally burst out laughing when you put the Bull in the E tier. I've really been enjoying using it lately. But as usual, great content Cami. Can't wait to see your coverage of the live stream and subsequent update!
I've started auraxin the Bull after I finished with the TMG 50 and boi its just painfull to kill with it. Its funny that it is described as versatile because it can use many attachments, but none of them makes it better for what it was made for. I find the T9 CARV-S (with attachments) better to hold points with a similar "controlled" aim instead of this.
i stopped watching after i saw that bull is E tier and EM1 is higher than this. This is complete bullshit. Bull is at least C tier with its 143-125(!!!) damage model, insane reload speed and hip fire accuracy. Its also very easy to control and chain headshots with. And all this is coming from a VS main
as someone who doesn't know anything about the overall meta of the game but enjoys coming back occasionally, information like this is a great asset so i don't accidentally waste my time on a gun that initially sounds good but turns out to be terrible.
New players need videos like this! not really a tier list but a quick intro to all he weapons of a type. I am constantly overwhelmed by my options and you are a great help!
That video is SO USEFUL! I don't usually comment but I was looking for such thing for a long time :D I have to watch more of your PlanetSide 2 videos! Thank You! :D
Great Work Man!! Awesome Job and THANKS I been playing since BETA of Planetside 1, yes I'm old. Great job VERY through. Best comparison and stat list I have ever seen.
Okay, so your reasoning behind putting the Watchman in B tier was due to its "uptime" problems. But if you actually take the damage per mag/reload times and compare them between the Watchman and something like the Anchor, you get some interesting numbers. Watchman: 125 rounds x 125 dmg = 15625 damage per mag w/ a 5.525s short reload Anchor: 50 rounds x 167 dmg = 8350 damage per mag w/ a 3.37s short reload If you take the damage per mags and make them equal (scaling reload time as well), you're left with: Watchman: 125 rounds x 125 dmg = 15625 damage per mag w/ a 5.525s short reload Anchor: 94 rounds x 167 dmg = 15698 damage per mag w/ a 6.3s short reload Watchman also has higher DPS: 1785 vs. the Anchor's 1670 (minimal, but it's something to note) So I honestly think the Watchman is at least A tier, but imo it's better than the Carv so it should be S tier on your list.
Gauss Saw was the 1st weapon Ive auraximed. Its a really good gun, and feels good once you tame it. Definitely more of a medium range engagement weapon, but it can get close and personal if you k ow how to get those head shots like Cami explained.
id throw EM6 to S tier for live server play. same damage model as anchor but practically never need to reload with the extended mag. best farming gun in the game
Pre premiere/release: I hope my boy the VX29 Polaris Vanu LMG gets it's deserved place. As a Vanu it's my favourite high capacity LMG! It's 25(!) meter max damage is rather silly. It's not the deadliest LMG, but the most consistent one in my experience. And I will stan for it until I die (or it gets changed or other external factors) ;-) Looking forward to the video.
I'm pleasantly surprised at how much I agree with. Usually with videos like these I don't feel like they actually understand the gun mechanics and how they all fit together. I'm glad you know the mechanic of the nagi, and can also explain it. Tho I'm confused why you make a point about it not being based on Jaeger, when the top S tiers are also what's used on Jaeger. Watchman isn't used much in scrims, for the same reasons as live, too much reloading
You’re definitely one of the people I wanted to hear from in regards to the list, and I appreciate the thoughts mate. Been working around the weaponry mechanics in this game for a long time so I feel comfortable in discussing it now. In regards to Jaeger, while I understand that the top pick LMGs here do transfer well to Jaeger, I wanted to eliminate it from the consideration due to how differently it plays. Believe it or not, on the stream where we discussed this list, many argued for the watchman to be higher on the basis of its performance on Jaeger, so it needed to be said IMO. It’s the same mentality we’ll be using for the rest of the tier lists to keep things consistent.
for the Bull its worth noting its 143-125 dmg model has no drop off so you can run a silencer, and with its solid velocity and recoil + reload speed it can be used like an mswr but silenced with more range for lower dps I dont think it should be moved though, just a fun note that makes it unique in TR, like the guass saw for NC
@@noble_lemon hva is superior to spa in general, unless the dmg drop off is instant (like 125 base dmg) or its dmg drop off is really fast like with the armistice in the case of 143-125 dmg guns or 200-167, dont ever bother with SPA, as having zero ammo is better
Never played PS2 on computer, only PS4 but man......epic comes to mind. It took a minute to get over the graphics but some of the battles were something to behold. Very cool for this old timer that started out playing pong on Atari.
You know what's funny? I still watch your videos even though I don't play the games you're talking about (at the moment). Why? Because I actually like your voice and I like your scripts. I just enjoy your videos. Keep it up man!
Good to see the XMG-100 in A tier, cause it honestly feels MUCH better then the XMG-200 when I thought the XMG-200 would've been better because of the accuracy and damage per shot. So as an NSO main, I approve of this tier list
Incredible video bud. I absolutely love the choices (I hate the gausssaw, but I *know* it’s a fantastic weapon worthy of S tier). Yeah I need more weapon lists like this. Not only is it great to have the stats of the weapons explained and told where they are in relation to each other, it’s also good for new players to see where the strengths and weaknesses of the guns they want to train with.
TR main here. Cheese tier heavy's are better off taking anything else for crowd control. You only see new players or ASP's use it and the ASP's are only using it for cheese. Maybe might see some one using it for directive but that's it. It's fun to use but only effective in Biofarm situations.
Mostly what Vegan said. I personally have it on a setup designed around holding an area/corridor, but it's relatively bad compared to other TR offerings even with the BRRT. It's good for being a MAX lite tho, and spray transferring is the name of the game, especially with extended mags
In after the new update; solid A tier now. The headshot multiplier finally found itself on 2x like the rest, and can take down infantry in the same speed as an anchor now, with more daka.
Really love the stats screen, and handling in particular. However, it's missing cost to unlock, which you talked about on some weapons, and in the intro. I understand that's not the main point, since all LMGs are costed in the same range. (I'd add a little section on upsides for those that cost less, but it's significantly more work to think about upsides for all weapons. And already a lot of work has been put into this great video)
I had a blast auraxing the EM1! This thing is so accurate you can basically keep your finger on the trigger as long as it takes you to empty that magazine.
Mate, you missed it with the bull. What sets it apart is the higher min damage range which can then be paired with sp ammo. It's a faster firing ns-15 m2 which makes it extremely accurate and easy to handle for hs chaining. Stats do not speak for the weapon at all.
This video was brilliant, your opinions are enlightened and your reasoning was on point. Really hope to see a video about your opinion of best assault rifles
NGL, I know the EM-1 isn't meta, but I got it back then to help train my aim and I discovered that with a irnv sight and smoke grenades, the em-1 can be very effective as a suppressive weapon at mid to long ranges. But, that's just my experience with it. Only reason I have the tmg50 and the bull is because I thought they were the gauss saw and em6 equivalents for TR. Which a lot of my weapon choices on other factions tends to reflect. I have the AMC because it was the TR role equivalent of the ACX-11; which is still one of my favorite carbines, even if it's one of the middle of the road weapons.
Greetings mate! Very good video, recently I played this wonderful game again, I never tire of recommending it, I remembered seeing your videos before, very good content and quality! I love heavy assault! I wish your videos had English subtitles, since I'm from Argentina and it would be much easier for me! haha A big hug and more content is expected. PS: Seeing a video of yours again brought me great nostalgia, NINE YEARS HAVE ALREADY PASSED!
7:10 i think to know why, the longer reload making it harder than necesary to use and the damage patern beein closer to clasical weapon (in therm of dps its closer from the 167 kind of weapon). the weapon fall short without investing in the ammo capacity higly with the atachement and suit(wich make it reload faster too) it barely begin to be competitive at this point. personaly i love the weapon for its quirk(i loved the flare for the same reason), and to me it bring to the table in the nso arsenal somthin closer to the flare family than the xmg-200. using it as the flare and fam, after the investement in reload speed and ammo capacity bring to the table a prety good weapon to use in many situation, after all the damage patern is really good with a easy to use recoil patern(in the nso fashion) tho i agree totaly with his place in the tier list and the down side cami say about, just i see that cami didnt had time to use it much (battlefield taking time too). migth edit this or add self reply if i feel like it, the bigest dakka is my first love as weapon familly in this game >:3 edit: 09:31 u forget that the xmg-200 have one of the best reload time of the familly with the tr version, while keeping his high velocity AND soft point ammo (flare was the only one with soft point) so in the versatility departement and long range kick, the xmg-200 have still stuff to compansate his slower rate of fire.
Sorry about the TK earlier. I'm not sure if I tagged you with my betty or the warden but I was quite shocked to see your name pop up after I got that enemy player. Now if only my shadowplay hadn't borked on me. :( Anywhoville thanks for the constant videos on weapons and their use. Because of them I've been branching out from engineer into LA, and HA a bit more. I even got a LOT of use with the promise, and swarm during those bruhahas around the mining drills tonight.They made for a good combo as I hung near a sunderer shooting folks coming in after the miners. Oddly enough I still don't have the Anchor...
My biggest gripe with the gauss saw is that incredibly slow weapon switch time. I usually only play heavy in an anti vehicle role and I get stomped when switching back and forth from rocket launcher to gauss saw. Or if you try to use the knife it takes an eternity before you can fire again. Not a fanatic of the bloom either, as i play PUBG a lot too and forget in the heat of the moment that just because your crosshair is on target doesn't mean the bullet hits there.
Time and time again I go back to this video for advice, summary and aid in decision making. Wish there were tier lists for far more things in the game, from other weapon classes, to NS weapon tier lists, vehicle/vehicle weaponry tier lists etc etc
Awesome list mate. Definitely shows you put a lot of work into this one. I'm NC bias, but I have definitely been on the receiving end on VS and TR varients in the C+ tier. Love the recoil patterns. Saving it for later when I get that Godsaw and can fine tune my bursts.
The Maw is heavily underrated, IMO; the bullets go where you're pointing, it does good damage, plenty of ammo, and its speed is acceptable. The only downside is the reload speed. The recoil is very easy to handle, and isn't a problem. I'm using soft point ammo, and it's an excellent all-round LMG.
Wait what? MAW in D tier? What are your viewers smoking Cami? :D Yes, it's terrible for long-ish ranges, but where fights actually happen it's as good as an Anchor but with more bullets in the mag. It should be at least in B. Also fun to notice that 4/7 VS LMGs are considered sub-par whereas 5/7 NC LMGs are considered above par consolidating the idea that NC has the best varied arsenal in the game while VS usually has 1-2 very good weapons per category while the rest are garbage. Also, painful to see one my loves, the Polaris, be in the gutter tier, but I agree, that weapon is terribru most of the time, until you have that perfect situation where it shines and you fall in love with it all over again. 20k kills with that thing. I should know.
Overall good list, but personally i would put only 3 weapons in S tier. Betelgeuse, Gauss SAW, MSW-R. Or just put them in S+. All 3 of them are absolutely exceptional.
Great video as always, hope to see these types of lists for other weapon categories, and even maybe for suit slots to give some insight to potential new/returning players coming for Oshur. Main thing I'd tweak here is the bull as it is laser accurate, and overall a great easy to use weapon for TR, it'd move it to D if not C tier. I'd also move naginata up a bit as it is extremely good, even better than the ns-15 once you master it. As for Galilei, you meant it takes 1 day to unlock, not one month :) In any case it's very disappointing as all NSO directives asides from the Newton, and I'd barely place the Galilei above D tier. It's an slightly more accurate orion with a carv reload and that massive handle that blocks half your screen when you aim. Very disappointing, wouldn't ever use over the other weps.
For me it takes a month chief, I can't sit down and grind out a weapon in a day nowadays. It's not a smart way to run content considering that doing so puts other videos on hold, not just the original one. So yeah, sadly no dice on that one. Will try and work on this in the long run.
I would probably have added at least 1 NSO or NSX weapon to the top tier aswell, just to crown a victor on each of the teams. Other than that, lovely video, mate!
is there a place that we can go to see all the recoil patterns for Planetside 2 guns? Or did you just stare at a wall, shoot, then try to capture what went where?
Personally my favourite LMG in the game is the Promise. That recoil scaling made it click with me from the get go in a way that the gauss saw and the anchor didn't. I like a weapon where I can just hold down left click and shit dies. Not really having to worry about recoil control and not having such a small mag size that you're pissing away all your ammo in a short spray. Like, I'm sorry, but if you're giving me an "lmg" with a sub-100 mag size, far as I'm concerned it's an assault rifle. After watching this, gonna have to try the EM6 out at some point though. That thing sounds pretty up my street too.
I can honestly agree with where you put the nc weapons nothing will ever compare to the saw because I got it for free after starting like 7 years ago and coming back
I'll be honest, I play on PS4 and when I first played with the gaussaw I was like "Yeah.... Trash..." I couldn't kill the broad side of a barn with that recoil pattern. One I figured it out... I have a hard time putting it down. Working on my LMG directives right now and doing the nc6 last so when I get the godsaw it's not too big of a leap, because frankly, I like the promise too.
I think that if the Watchman was placed in B tier because of it's bullet consumption, thus requiring the soldier to reload more and lose momentum, then the T-9 Carv should've been in B aswell, because I swear to god it does spend em mags fast
I also think the Kindred is the best weapon in the game (yeah TR bias here). Laser accuracy while aiming downsights, good hipfire accuracy, unique mechanic that boosts the DPS by a fucking lot, SPA. The saw is also good ofc :)
IMO when it comes to Assault Rifles the SABR-13 is the s tier of s tier. I've found it crazy accurate able to make incredible shots at incredible ranges as well as feeling like a rail gun at hip fire. It complements a Combat medic perfectly someone who is out controlling the flank able to hold their own and ready for anything and ready to start throwing in res grenades and provide cover while their buddies get back up.
I think the TORQ-9 is better because it is auto. My opinion would be different if the SABR-13 had no horizontal recoil at all, but that's just me. That lil twitch to the side always kills me
Having auraxed both the Ursa and the Polaris, I can assure you that the Polaris beats the Ursa in every single situation in the game. The polaris is (was) fantastic, while the Ursa is borderline unusable. The reason is that the Polaris resets extremely quickly after bursting, while the ursa takes so long to reset you might as well reload. This makes the Polaris better at every range. You can build the Polaris for maximum hipfire and it will still perform better at ultra long range than any Ursa for this single reason.
Thx 4 that video..nicely done and alot of work. It also shows how much less good VS weapons are out there and how much "worse" their recoil pattern and COV is...even tho a good player can work that out..in everyday combat it alot more often makes the slight difference in kill or being killed.
I think you misspoke slightly about the Betel: The betel DOES NOT cool off while unequipped IF IT OVERHEATED. Instead of waiting 6s for the overheat to go away, just manually reload it for a 3.5s snappy reload, which is a buff from the old Betel as it's uptime without swapping weapons is now faster. (The betel will still cool off whilst unequipped should you not overheat)
Maw in D tier? I'm gonna stop you right there, chief. Having a biggest mag from all cqc LMGs (60 instead of 50 on MSW-r, Anchor, Orion, etc), good hipfire, especially with Unstable ammo and still managable recoil just should give a weapon at least B tier. And you also said about Ursa that its low firerate is not enought in "the game where majority of fights are in close quarters" where Maw truly shines as the hipfire beast, being able to wipe multiple people without even releasing the trigger, which is truly unfair.
18:44 Wouldn't that price go to the Lasher with extended mags? I did the maths and if you hit every shot directly you get (155 direct dmg+ 75 indirect dmg) * 150 = 34.500 damage per mag For the EM6 it's 167*200 = 33.400 damage per mag
Headshots I believe. Then it turns into 57,750 compared to 66,800 unless the indirect damage has a head shot multiplier but I don't think it does? Could be wrong
Idk man that T32 Bull is my favorite. I’ve tried so many different LMGs on TR. And the Bull reallllly works for me, so much so I’ve turned my KD around BIG TIME. I love that gun. Guess it’s all in how you use them.
Man Half of the VS LMGs are D tier or below, with no A tier LMGs, and we still get painted as the easy mode faction. Most people just say “nerf beetle” and forget about everything else (the beetle did need a nerf tho) The thing is we have no LMGs that are comparable to the TR and NC’s best, other than the Orion and Beetle, both are good cqc, but the Orion has meh uptime and the beetle is the directive LMG, so it takes a crap ton of grinding to get.
That gun isn't even easy to get, the best weapons used to be the default NC, that say's something about who has it easy and that the Dev's still are VS bias like always, then again when you get interviews with them they also stated to not want to play VS.
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you rascal, i bet u made this to not have to make quarter master for the nso weapon dont ya? ;)
Please make a AR tier list
You did a great job man. I'd love to see a Carbine tier list to see the serpent land in A tier.
highly appreciate the video, for me the most helpful was the pulsar LSW and the naginata
i have looked everywhere for a RECENT video on those weapons but they just seem to be from yearsssss back. i appreciate the work put into this and i really hope you do one for ARs next :)
I didn't see the galilei anywhere. I wonder where it would be now.
BETELGEUSE 54-A 20:46
EM1 4:52
EM6 18:37
FLARE VE6 8:38
GD-22S 12:56
LA1 ANCHOR 17:57
MG-H1 WATCHMAN 11:23
MGR-L1 PROMISE 14:11
MSW-R 20:20
NC6 GAUSS SAW 23:34
NC6 GAUSS SAW S 10:12
NC6A GODSAW 22:59
NS-15M2 16:32
NSX NAGINATA 14:48
ORION VS54 20:02
PULSAR LSW 13:38
SVA-88 6:13
T9 CARV 15:56
T9 CARV-S 9:35
T9A BUTCHER 21:39
T16 Rhino 3:29
T32 Bull 3:52
TMG-50 8:16
URSA 7:11
VE-H MAW 5:36
VX29 Polaris 2:55
XMG-100 17:24
XMG-155 6:38
XMG-200 8:59
oriAn? Reallu?
@@noble_lemon Same. It's fucking ORION. But this dude doesn't play vanu, he mains NC and plays TR so I don't think he cares.
@@noble_lemon What's the issue?
You is my hero！
My beloved TR getting TWO E tier LMGs. Beat that nerds.
I dunno man. Four of the bottom eight LMGs are VS, including the last E tier. And they have no A-rated LMGs at all. That's some serious VS suckage.
@@Erendil1453 S tier is better that A tier and VS have two lmgs on S tier… yeah, vs “sucks”
Also getting two S tier. It’s a fair trade.
TR victim complex. Next you'll bring up that half year time period in PS1 where the Dual Cycler MAX did less damage than the infantry Cycler gun.
@@holonow4298 Yes there are two in S tier. One of them is a directive unlock weapon. This list shows how much the developers hate the VS. Completely neglected.
Currently malding that you put MAW in D tier. One of the best weapons in the game, imo.
He also calls the Orion - oriAn so...
Ooft a video that got Wrel malding, have I transcended as a creator?
Cheers mate.
I agree, unstable ammo with laser sight and catlike is an incredible loadout
Best? It's one of the most fun ones. That's all
Put your MAW setup up for a "time to gear up"
The high-mag LMGs were dead-on-arrival since launch. Sacrificed everything for a large magazine only to be surpassed by low-mag LMGs with Extended Mag. Their tier should be renamed "Noob Bait".
except for em6. best farming gun in the game.
In a big fight with good positioning its a good Farm-tool when played defensive. Also Vanus Polaris.
IF only PS2 have superssion mechanism like BF4 series
Chaingun secondary.
I don’t normally comment but I would love to have more planetside 2 tier lists and I love the quick descriptions thank you so much for all the videos over the years bud love your content
Appreciate it mate, will definitely consider doing more of these in the long run.
the godsaw is just some insane f everything weapon, name a other LMG in the game that can shoot down a bastion.
Point the barrel at something, and watch it disappear. Thank me later.
I really need to get hot on auraxing my last three lmgs so I can get this monster
Skyguards can't even shoot down bastions.
This vid is an amazing addition to the community resources. I sincerely hope there are more of these to come.
Sounds like I may need to do more based on this community reaction... Dammit XD
A great tier list, honestly makes me look back to my early days of Planetside, trying so hard to find a weapon that just clicked with me without a single clue of how each weapon worked or their particular niches, making new characters again and again (cause I was stingy that way, and felt really bad everytime I made a (subjectively) bad purchase). While it's a subjective look at all the LMGs, I think this is also an great guide which also looks into the investment each weapon brings, which seems to mostly be glossed over by stats. I give this list a 100 out of good.
15:22 Oh hey I made it into a vid too cool
Cheers mate, I really appreciate it!
I know it's a lot of work, but I really appreciate the recoil pattern specs as that is one of hardest things to explain to a newer player.
Great to see that mad lad gun running I saw on stream and in game a couple days ago get some good content.
Cheers mate, appreciate it.
I literally burst out laughing when you put the Bull in the E tier. I've really been enjoying using it lately. But as usual, great content Cami. Can't wait to see your coverage of the live stream and subsequent update!
I hated the Bull. Auraxing it was such a slog. To each their own I guess.
I've started auraxin the Bull after I finished with the TMG 50 and boi its just painfull to kill with it.
Its funny that it is described as versatile because it can use many attachments, but none of them makes it better for what it was made for. I find the T9 CARV-S (with attachments) better to hold points with a similar "controlled" aim instead of this.
The Rhino is probably one of my favorite lmgs just due to its consistency
I've auraxied T32 Bull. This is an accurate headshot machine that requires avoidant game style (~similar to Tomoe users)
i stopped watching after i saw that bull is E tier and EM1 is higher than this. This is complete bullshit. Bull is at least C tier with its 143-125(!!!) damage model, insane reload speed and hip fire accuracy. Its also very easy to control and chain headshots with. And all this is coming from a VS main
Really liked that video format ! Doing it with other weapon categories would be great ngl !
The feedback has been pretty unanimous on that front... Really going to hurt in the long run making more of these but here we go...
as someone who doesn't know anything about the overall meta of the game but enjoys coming back occasionally, information like this is a great asset so i don't accidentally waste my time on a gun that initially sounds good but turns out to be terrible.
If you're TR, "waste" your time on the Bull. It is very, very good.
New players need videos like this! not really a tier list but a quick intro to all he weapons of a type. I am constantly overwhelmed by my options and you are a great help!
I made the right choice going with the MSW R
That video is SO USEFUL! I don't usually comment but I was looking for such thing for a long time :D I have to watch more of your PlanetSide 2 videos! Thank You! :D
Great Work Man!! Awesome Job and THANKS I been playing since BETA of Planetside 1, yes I'm old. Great job VERY through. Best comparison and stat list I have ever seen.
The Gauss SAW is a lot like the DLT-19 from Star Wars: Not only is it the NC's main LMG, it's also a battle rifle at the same time.
Is a lot like the M60 xd
Okay, so your reasoning behind putting the Watchman in B tier was due to its "uptime" problems. But if you actually take the damage per mag/reload times and compare them between the Watchman and something like the Anchor, you get some interesting numbers.
Watchman: 125 rounds x 125 dmg = 15625 damage per mag w/ a 5.525s short reload
Anchor: 50 rounds x 167 dmg = 8350 damage per mag w/ a 3.37s short reload
If you take the damage per mags and make them equal (scaling reload time as well), you're left with:
Watchman: 125 rounds x 125 dmg = 15625 damage per mag w/ a 5.525s short reload
Anchor: 94 rounds x 167 dmg = 15698 damage per mag w/ a 6.3s short reload
Watchman also has higher DPS: 1785 vs. the Anchor's 1670 (minimal, but it's something to note)
So I honestly think the Watchman is at least A tier, but imo it's better than the Carv so it should be S tier on your list.
bruv
Gauss Saw was the 1st weapon Ive auraximed. Its a really good gun, and feels good once you tame it. Definitely more of a medium range engagement weapon, but it can get close and personal if you k ow how to get those head shots like Cami explained.
id throw EM6 to S tier for live server play. same damage model as anchor but practically never need to reload with the extended mag. best farming gun in the game
I need to try the EM6 with extended mags and scavenger 5 one of these days, because I haven't used it in so long
Great Vid as usual Cami, a little correction for 21:10 though, the Betelgeuse was nerfed so it does not cool down when not equipped.
Pre premiere/release:
I hope my boy the VX29 Polaris Vanu LMG gets it's deserved place.
As a Vanu it's my favourite high capacity LMG! It's 25(!) meter max damage is rather silly. It's not the deadliest LMG, but the most consistent one in my experience. And I will stan for it until I die (or it gets changed or other external factors)
;-)
Looking forward to the video.
Get effed, dude. Your fav gun got shat on
@@DoNotLookHerePlz It's fine. I was about to comment on how well my remark aged :D
@@CrenVerdis you took it well
@@CrenVerdis Idc. I auraxiumed them all and Polaris just feels best for me.
Hey man who cares what cam says, play what you like
Haven’t watched the video yet, but…
Camikaze: Live performance only, no Jaeger competetive.
MSW-R: Guess I’ll die
MSWR is still cracked on live.
All TR farmers use MSWR lol
Recoil patterns are awesome!
I'm pleasantly surprised at how much I agree with. Usually with videos like these I don't feel like they actually understand the gun mechanics and how they all fit together. I'm glad you know the mechanic of the nagi, and can also explain it.
Tho I'm confused why you make a point about it not being based on Jaeger, when the top S tiers are also what's used on Jaeger. Watchman isn't used much in scrims, for the same reasons as live, too much reloading
You’re definitely one of the people I wanted to hear from in regards to the list, and I appreciate the thoughts mate. Been working around the weaponry mechanics in this game for a long time so I feel comfortable in discussing it now.
In regards to Jaeger, while I understand that the top pick LMGs here do transfer well to Jaeger, I wanted to eliminate it from the consideration due to how differently it plays. Believe it or not, on the stream where we discussed this list, many argued for the watchman to be higher on the basis of its performance on Jaeger, so it needed to be said IMO. It’s the same mentality we’ll be using for the rest of the tier lists to keep things consistent.
LOVE the handling graphic cami
for the Bull its worth noting its 143-125 dmg model has no drop off so you can run a silencer, and with its solid velocity and recoil + reload speed it can be used like an mswr but silenced with more range for lower dps
I dont think it should be moved though, just a fun note that makes it unique in TR, like the guass saw for NC
I dont understand how the bull isnt just a better ns15 sans the 0.75 ads movespeed
ns15 even slightly worse than bull except its 0.75x ads movement speed multiplier and soft point ammo.
@@noble_lemon hva is superior to spa in general, unless the dmg drop off is instant (like 125 base dmg) or its dmg drop off is really fast like with the armistice
in the case of 143-125 dmg guns or 200-167, dont ever bother with SPA, as having zero ammo is better
@@Alliegator93 i know that:) but spa sometimes help to kill in close quarters when your shooting isn't accurate and you hitting body mostly.
@@noble_lemon actually doesnt most times anymore :)
YES YES YES. More videos like this. Outstanding work. Ty for putting in the effort to making a video like this. Amazing.
I remember going off during the stream about how the Gauss-Saw S needed to be in its own F tier cause of how crap it is. Ah good times. Cheers m8!
Cheers you legend, appreciate it!
Never played PS2 on computer, only PS4 but man......epic comes to mind. It took a minute to get over the graphics but some of the battles were something to behold. Very cool for this old timer that started out playing pong on Atari.
You know what's funny? I still watch your videos even though I don't play the games you're talking about (at the moment).
Why? Because I actually like your voice and I like your scripts. I just enjoy your videos.
Keep it up man!
Cheers mate!
Beautifully done, I immensely enjoy this video. GREAT WORK.
You did a ton of work to put this together, bravo!
Thanks mate!
Awesome work Cami, loved the clips as well. 👍
Good to see the XMG-100 in A tier, cause it honestly feels MUCH better then the XMG-200 when I thought the XMG-200 would've been better because of the accuracy and damage per shot. So as an NSO main, I approve of this tier list
Incredible video bud. I absolutely love the choices (I hate the gausssaw, but I *know* it’s a fantastic weapon worthy of S tier). Yeah I need more weapon lists like this. Not only is it great to have the stats of the weapons explained and told where they are in relation to each other, it’s also good for new players to see where the strengths and weaknesses of the guns they want to train with.
Just as a question as a fellow NC... even if it isn't *technically* an LMG, where would you put the T7 Mini-chaingun (TR)?
TR main here. Cheese tier heavy's are better off taking anything else for crowd control. You only see new players or ASP's use it and the ASP's are only using it for cheese. Maybe might see some one using it for directive but that's it. It's fun to use but only effective in Biofarm situations.
E?
Mostly what Vegan said. I personally have it on a setup designed around holding an area/corridor, but it's relatively bad compared to other TR offerings even with the BRRT. It's good for being a MAX lite tho, and spray transferring is the name of the game, especially with extended mags
In after the new update; solid A tier now. The headshot multiplier finally found itself on 2x like the rest, and can take down infantry in the same speed as an anchor now, with more daka.
Really love the stats screen, and handling in particular. However, it's missing cost to unlock, which you talked about on some weapons, and in the intro. I understand that's not the main point, since all LMGs are costed in the same range.
(I'd add a little section on upsides for those that cost less, but it's significantly more work to think about upsides for all weapons. And already a lot of work has been put into this great video)
Propsfor the effort Cami. Amazing video always!
I had a blast auraxing the EM1! This thing is so accurate you can basically keep your finger on the trigger as long as it takes you to empty that magazine.
Really enjoy this and would totes love seeing the other categories covered as well.
Mate, you missed it with the bull. What sets it apart is the higher min damage range which can then be paired with sp ammo. It's a faster firing ns-15 m2 which makes it extremely accurate and easy to handle for hs chaining. Stats do not speak for the weapon at all.
This video was brilliant, your opinions are enlightened and your reasoning was on point. Really hope to see a video about your opinion of best assault rifles
A carbine tier list will be amazing!!
I have 3,770 kills with Gauss Saw and I can fully agree that is the best one. Love it.
still waiting for a reason for that ridiculous decision to not put the Anchor in S tier...
On the US east coast and I accidentally woke up early at 6:30am, so now I patiently wait a couple hours. 😂
NGL, I know the EM-1 isn't meta, but I got it back then to help train my aim and I discovered that with a irnv sight and smoke grenades, the em-1 can be very effective as a suppressive weapon at mid to long ranges. But, that's just my experience with it.
Only reason I have the tmg50 and the bull is because I thought they were the gauss saw and em6 equivalents for TR. Which a lot of my weapon choices on other factions tends to reflect. I have the AMC because it was the TR role equivalent of the ACX-11; which is still one of my favorite carbines, even if it's one of the middle of the road weapons.
Greetings mate!
Very good video, recently I played this wonderful game again, I never tire of recommending it, I remembered seeing your videos before, very good content and quality!
I love heavy assault!
I wish your videos had English subtitles, since I'm from Argentina and it would be much easier for me! haha
A big hug and more content is expected.
PS: Seeing a video of yours again brought me great nostalgia, NINE YEARS HAVE ALREADY PASSED!
I would love to see one of these for the SMG's
just a matter of time
i had little issue with the Bull, laser accuracy and high velocity. The Rhino is mediocre but the extended max damage range is quite handy
@@justrandomguy5010 Bull is underrated
7:10 i think to know why, the longer reload making it harder than necesary to use and the damage patern beein closer to clasical weapon (in therm of dps its closer from the 167 kind of weapon). the weapon fall short without investing in the ammo capacity higly with the atachement and suit(wich make it reload faster too) it barely begin to be competitive at this point.
personaly i love the weapon for its quirk(i loved the flare for the same reason), and to me it bring to the table in the nso arsenal somthin closer to the flare family than the xmg-200. using it as the flare and fam, after the investement in reload speed and ammo capacity bring to the table a prety good weapon to use in many situation, after all the damage patern is really good with a easy to use recoil patern(in the nso fashion) tho i agree totaly with his place in the tier list and the down side cami say about, just i see that cami didnt had time to use it much (battlefield taking time too).
migth edit this or add self reply if i feel like it, the bigest dakka is my first love as weapon familly in this game >:3
edit:
09:31 u forget that the xmg-200 have one of the best reload time of the familly with the tr version, while keeping his high velocity AND soft point ammo (flare was the only one with soft point) so in the versatility departement and long range kick, the xmg-200 have still stuff to compansate his slower rate of fire.
Sorry about the TK earlier. I'm not sure if I tagged you with my betty or the warden but I was quite shocked to see your name pop up after I got that enemy player.
Now if only my shadowplay hadn't borked on me. :(
Anywhoville thanks for the constant videos on weapons and their use. Because of them I've been branching out from engineer into LA, and HA a bit more. I even got a LOT of use with the promise, and swarm during those bruhahas around the mining drills tonight.They made for a good combo as I hung near a sunderer shooting folks coming in after the miners.
Oddly enough I still don't have the Anchor...
My biggest gripe with the gauss saw is that incredibly slow weapon switch time. I usually only play heavy in an anti vehicle role and I get stomped when switching back and forth from rocket launcher to gauss saw. Or if you try to use the knife it takes an eternity before you can fire again. Not a fanatic of the bloom either, as i play PUBG a lot too and forget in the heat of the moment that just because your crosshair is on target doesn't mean the bullet hits there.
When i started playing planetside the SAW is actually what kept me coming back
Straight to the point, man
Time and time again I go back to this video for advice, summary and aid in decision making.
Wish there were tier lists for far more things in the game, from other weapon classes, to NS weapon tier lists, vehicle/vehicle weaponry tier lists etc etc
Awesome list mate. Definitely shows you put a lot of work into this one. I'm NC bias, but I have definitely been on the receiving end on VS and TR varients in the C+ tier.
Love the recoil patterns. Saving it for later when I get that Godsaw and can fine tune my bursts.
The Maw is heavily underrated, IMO; the bullets go where you're pointing, it does good damage, plenty of ammo, and its speed is acceptable. The only downside is the reload speed.
The recoil is very easy to handle, and isn't a problem. I'm using soft point ammo, and it's an excellent all-round LMG.
Wow thanks for the tier list. Helps me a lot! :)
Hell yeah, what a blast, please make more of these :D
SMG tier list or carbine tier list would be awesome dude
Like and comment because its a good video. Looking forward to seeing the T1A Unity in E-Tier on principle.
8:20 I imagined the bullets literally turning into F U! Idk why that was so funny
Danke!
Wait what? MAW in D tier? What are your viewers smoking Cami? :D Yes, it's terrible for long-ish ranges, but where fights actually happen it's as good as an Anchor but with more bullets in the mag. It should be at least in B. Also fun to notice that 4/7 VS LMGs are considered sub-par whereas 5/7 NC LMGs are considered above par consolidating the idea that NC has the best varied arsenal in the game while VS usually has 1-2 very good weapons per category while the rest are garbage. Also, painful to see one my loves, the Polaris, be in the gutter tier, but I agree, that weapon is terribru most of the time, until you have that perfect situation where it shines and you fall in love with it all over again. 20k kills with that thing. I should know.
Overall good list, but personally i would put only 3 weapons in S tier. Betelgeuse, Gauss SAW, MSW-R.
Or just put them in S+. All 3 of them are absolutely exceptional.
a bit late and there was a big update lately but still awesome job here mate!
Great video as always, hope to see these types of lists for other weapon categories, and even maybe for suit slots to give some insight to potential new/returning players coming for Oshur. Main thing I'd tweak here is the bull as it is laser accurate, and overall a great easy to use weapon for TR, it'd move it to D if not C tier. I'd also move naginata up a bit as it is extremely good, even better than the ns-15 once you master it. As for Galilei, you meant it takes 1 day to unlock, not one month :) In any case it's very disappointing as all NSO directives asides from the Newton, and I'd barely place the Galilei above D tier. It's an slightly more accurate orion with a carv reload and that massive handle that blocks half your screen when you aim. Very disappointing, wouldn't ever use over the other weps.
For me it takes a month chief, I can't sit down and grind out a weapon in a day nowadays. It's not a smart way to run content considering that doing so puts other videos on hold, not just the original one. So yeah, sadly no dice on that one. Will try and work on this in the long run.
@@CAMIKAZE78 No worries, most directive weps are pretty disappointing anyways. If u ever need to test one or want some info, just let me know.
I love it when you get the best weapons from the start of the game.
I would probably have added at least 1 NSO or NSX weapon to the top tier aswell, just to crown a victor on each of the teams. Other than that, lovely video, mate!
Hey cami, congrats getting your video linked in the ps2 launcher!
is there a place that we can go to see all the recoil patterns for Planetside 2 guns? Or did you just stare at a wall, shoot, then try to capture what went where?
Personally my favourite LMG in the game is the Promise. That recoil scaling made it click with me from the get go in a way that the gauss saw and the anchor didn't. I like a weapon where I can just hold down left click and shit dies. Not really having to worry about recoil control and not having such a small mag size that you're pissing away all your ammo in a short spray. Like, I'm sorry, but if you're giving me an "lmg" with a sub-100 mag size, far as I'm concerned it's an assault rifle.
After watching this, gonna have to try the EM6 out at some point though. That thing sounds pretty up my street too.
I can honestly agree with where you put the nc weapons nothing will ever compare to the saw because I got it for free after starting like 7 years ago and coming back
I'll be honest, I play on PS4 and when I first played with the gaussaw I was like "Yeah.... Trash..." I couldn't kill the broad side of a barn with that recoil pattern. One I figured it out... I have a hard time putting it down. Working on my LMG directives right now and doing the nc6 last so when I get the godsaw it's not too big of a leap, because frankly, I like the promise too.
The MAW in low tier makes me smile because damn, i spray 3-4 men down before they get me lately with it!
As an exclusively Vanu player, seeing footage of you killing people who's names i recognise and fought beside is a really interesting experience
The Gauss saw was my first gun and I don't regret it.
ruclips.net/video/84PR0yUyOGw/видео.html 20:00 timestamp for the actual list graphic. In case you don't want to sit for a 26 min video.
What's that cool new OriAn VS 54 weapon, never heard of it =P
I think that if the Watchman was placed in B tier because of it's bullet consumption, thus requiring the soldier to reload more and lose momentum, then the T-9 Carv should've been in B aswell, because I swear to god it does spend em mags fast
I also think the Kindred is the best weapon in the game (yeah TR bias here). Laser accuracy while aiming downsights, good hipfire accuracy, unique mechanic that boosts the DPS by a fucking lot, SPA. The saw is also good ofc :)
IMO when it comes to Assault Rifles the SABR-13 is the s tier of s tier. I've found it crazy accurate able to make incredible shots at incredible ranges as well as feeling like a rail gun at hip fire. It complements a Combat medic perfectly someone who is out controlling the flank able to hold their own and ready for anything and ready to start throwing in res grenades and provide cover while their buddies get back up.
I think the TORQ-9 is better because it is auto. My opinion would be different if the SABR-13 had no horizontal recoil at all, but that's just me. That lil twitch to the side always kills me
Having auraxed both the Ursa and the Polaris, I can assure you that the Polaris beats the Ursa in every single situation in the game. The polaris is (was) fantastic, while the Ursa is borderline unusable. The reason is that the Polaris resets extremely quickly after bursting, while the ursa takes so long to reset you might as well reload. This makes the Polaris better at every range. You can build the Polaris for maximum hipfire and it will still perform better at ultra long range than any Ursa for this single reason.
I'm auraxing NC LMGs, I can't wait to finish just to be able to go back to using the Gauss, well, the God Saw's 200 dmg per round
Just letting you know, I started Planetside 2 on PS4. Also subbed to you!
Thx 4 that video..nicely done and alot of work.
It also shows how much less good VS weapons are out there and how much "worse" their recoil pattern and COV is...even tho a good player can work that out..in everyday combat it alot more often makes the slight difference in kill or being killed.
I think you misspoke slightly about the Betel: The betel DOES NOT cool off while unequipped IF IT OVERHEATED. Instead of waiting 6s for the overheat to go away, just manually reload it for a 3.5s snappy reload, which is a buff from the old Betel as it's uptime without swapping weapons is now faster. (The betel will still cool off whilst unequipped should you not overheat)
Maw in D tier? I'm gonna stop you right there, chief.
Having a biggest mag from all cqc LMGs (60 instead of 50 on MSW-r, Anchor, Orion, etc), good hipfire, especially with Unstable ammo and still managable recoil just should give a weapon at least B tier.
And you also said about Ursa that its low firerate is not enought in "the game where majority of fights are in close quarters" where Maw truly shines as the hipfire beast, being able to wipe multiple people without even releasing the trigger, which is truly unfair.
awesome work! Very nice tier list and guide for us, new players! Thanks, you're a god
Run the watchman with ammo belt. The reload buff reduces short reload by nearly a full second.
great video mate!
18:44 Wouldn't that price go to the Lasher with extended mags?
I did the maths and if you hit every shot directly you get (155 direct dmg+ 75 indirect dmg) * 150 = 34.500 damage per mag
For the EM6 it's 167*200 = 33.400 damage per mag
Headshots I believe. Then it turns into 57,750 compared to 66,800 unless the indirect damage has a head shot multiplier but I don't think it does? Could be wrong
@@bigpapastalin601 I don't think so either
In that case yea its right
lasher is a heavy weapon, not an lmg, thus not on the list
@MrTBSC However it is still a weapon and he said the EM6 is the weapon with the most damage per mag in the game
Weapon, not LMG
So how is the tier list regarding the arsenal update?
The funniest thing about the NS-15M2 and and all its reskins is that the gun itself is a reskin of the original NS-15.
Idk man that T32 Bull is my favorite. I’ve tried so many different LMGs on TR. And the Bull reallllly works for me, so much so I’ve turned my KD around BIG TIME. I love that gun. Guess it’s all in how you use them.
Plz do carbinez :E Thank You.
Also glad we agree on most of TR lmgs. I had all of C to A tears with exception of Carv-S and Butcher.
Man
Half of the VS LMGs are D tier or below, with no A tier LMGs, and we still get painted as the easy mode faction.
Most people just say “nerf beetle” and forget about everything else (the beetle did need a nerf tho)
The thing is we have no LMGs that are comparable to the TR and NC’s best, other than the Orion and Beetle, both are good cqc, but the Orion has meh uptime and the beetle is the directive LMG, so it takes a crap ton of grinding to get.
That gun isn't even easy to get, the best weapons used to be the default NC, that say's something about who has it easy and that the Dev's still are VS bias like always, then again when you get interviews with them they also stated to not want to play VS.
Fairly new to planetside 2. I’ve always played NC and instantly fell in love with the GaussSAW.
Christ I knew it was good… but THAT good?!
play on vs or tr and you'll know
Waiting for this vid!