Explained: Why Haiti & the Dominican Republic are at odds
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Historian Lissette Acosta Corniel, an assistant professor of Latin American Studies at the Borough of Manhattan Community College (BMCC), explains the rifts that tore apart Ayiti Kiskeya O Boyo (aka Hispaniola). Colonial-era conflicts that go back to before Haiti and the Dominican Republic existed as sovereign nations, setting a legacy whose impact is still felt today.
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So she has created her own personal version of Dominican history to fit her woke narrative. Next time, please interview actual historians from the Dominican Republic (we have them).
She told the truth . Haiti never enslaved you the Spanish did .
People from H@1+1 try to put this argument into Dominican people mind; but I don't think its necessary to D3capital/ M@+AR Dominican people to help them been free. The sadness is the Dominican people with a short mind believe in this argument.
Wow. This woman is so lost. She calls the Haitian occupation of the Dominican Republic from 1822 to 1844 as a "freedom movement"
The Dominican Republic was not a colony. It got it's independence in 1821.
It's vile, they're delusional and it's because of people like this person, all they do is spread lies. That was an invasion, and they have the audacity to say it wasn't. Even worse, all they mention is that they "freed us" while enslaving us with the Code Rural, the neo-slavery law they implemented on us to pay their debt to France. The "Code Rural" is to haitians what Hitler is to Germany. They hate when you mention this as there is enough historical evidence of this just because it doesn't fit the narrative they're trying to portray. I dare anyone to mention this to any Haitian. They would either ignore you, block you, or even say, "You invited us to invade you, but we couldn't take care of you for free." It's insane.
False.
@@peacebeuntoyou345he is correct. What is false about what he said ?
Stop learn the fake history the Spanish colonizers taught you .
@@Xenlacasa45 stop learning the fake history the Spanish colonizers taught you, the only people who enslaved you were the Spanish. Your “family members”x
Notice how in 3:30 she says "what they call" the Behadings of Moca. It is a fact that a large-scale and indiscriminate massacre of civilians by Haitian forces happened. Many were beheaded. Ms. Acosta blames Dominicans (whom she calls "the Spanish," as if a Dominican sense of nationhood had not yet developed) because they stood in the way of Dessalines, who claimed he was only coming for the French. She takes Dessalines for his word, knowing he is a genocidal maniac responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the European population of Haiti. He could have expelled the former enslavers (despite many French being poor non-slave-owning whites) but chose genocide, which in the current orthodoxy is justified, as they were oppressors. Acosta confuses a nation (a collectivity) with a state, and says Dominicans were not a nation. Worse, since they were not a nation, they were Spanish and thus colonizers. (?!?). Therefore, the Dominicans had no right to their land, meaning that when Haitians invaded Sto Dgo, Acosta can claim it was really a liberation movement of sorts. Yes, Haitians wanted to fight the French who were installed on the Spanish-speaking side of the island, but that does not disavow that the Haitian troops massacred Dominican civilians - not soldiers - irrespective of race. Lastly, there is no mention of Haitian expansionism. Haitians became an Empire, with Dessalines its Emperor, and set out to conquer the east side. Their diverse constitutions claim the Spanish side as theirs. The guise that they wanted the eastern side to free the slaves is exposed as a lie when after Dominican independence in 1844 slavery was abolished, Haiti still tried to invade the Spanish side many times until finally accepting DR independence in the 1860s, after years of military defeat. But that's not the narrative Acosta wants to sell.
They do this on purpose, these US Academics are beyond annoying now. They distort history to appease an agenda. If you correct them they accuse you of being "Ultranationalist" or "Far Right" when it should simply be about telling an accurate history.
While u did all that the first dominican president was haitian. 😂😂😂 So like she said it was haitian vs colonizer not haitian vs Dominican. Its all on the internet! Spain and DR fought haiti and DR vs Haiti. So with the same logic most dominicans use harboring a fugitive should be legal. After all it is my house.😂😂😂😂. Still to this day Dominicians envy the Spanish. Those pregnant slaves who were r*ped on the DR side shouldve did everyone a favor like some in brazil did. Walked in the ocean and no return. We wouldn’t have this issue. Imagine your descendants clapping and praising the man’s heritage who r*ped u and claiming their blood its genuinely sad.
@@djnon-refundablefee9245 It reflects poorly on you to make such unsubstantiated claims. The first Dominican president was Dr. José Núñez de Cáceres, a very learned man, university professor, writer and founder of several newspapers. The Dominican polity at the time was called the Independent State of Spanish Haiti, which had nothing to do with the Republic of Haiti ruled by the dictator Boyer. (Haiti was one of many aboriginal names for the Island of Hispaniola.) The enslaved population of the Spanish side was always minimal in comparison to the European and mixed-race population. There was never a plantation economy like there was in Haiti. The many centuries of mixing between the races were not the result of rape, except perhaps in the very earliest generations. Such a fantasy exists only in your reductionist and binary worldview.
Stop blaming events about 200 years ago . All caribbean islands went thru similar situations and they succeeded in developing their country, besides Haiti. Stop playing victims to get Inter charity and do real work for your poor people.
That’s is false . Haiti have been through worst because of what they did in 1804
Dominicans used to go to Haiti for a better life in the 70s. Haiti was once tbt most visited country in the Caribbeans. Haiti used to be even richer then DR today . Please learn history
I agree with u humans are too busy making up excuses
What a convenience and light view of the history. 😂 Disney would use this wonderful and fantasy history to make a movie for children 😂
exactly.
Does she not know that Haiti tried multiple times to invade the DR. Also, the D.R. didn’t ask for Haiti to help them in anything. This is what also led to more conflict. If Haiti would’ve kept to themselves I’m pretty sure both of them would be getting along now. Passing its French debt to the DR. distribution of land, bad agricultural practices, Haiti set itself up to fail in the DR.invasion. Haiti occupation was a strategic move. It wasn’t a brotherly love thing.
Prior to 1844 😂😂😂 their was no dominicians. Haitians fought the 🇪🇸 not the “Dominicans” . So only dominicians paid the debt. You do know haiti produced 2/3 of the world sugar at the time right?EVERYONE PAID THE DEBT!!!!! Acting as if “only Dominicans” no everyone paid the debt. Ur wrong according to history but keep going with abuela history. 😂😂😂😂 Look up all significant military commanders for the DR all had ties to Spain!!!!! ALL.
@@djnon-refundablefee9245 You make countless unsubstantiated claims. The Dominican people were not born in 1844, their ethnogenesis began centuries before, and their sense of nationhood developed way before their second independence in 1844. The term Dominican comes from Santo Domingo, which was the name of the Captaincy General. The Dominican Republic literally means the Republic of Santo Domingo. Before 1844, Haitians invaded the Spanish side and raped, killed and beheaded the ancestors of the same Dominican people. You mess with my grandma and you mess with me. Same people. Secondly, the Haitians invaded the DR multiple times after 1844, their final defeat coming as late as 1856. So you are factually incorrect in stating that Haitians only fought the Spanish and not the Dominicans. Finally, your claim that all significant military commanders had Spanish ties is ridiculous because it's true: the fact is that ALL Dominicans have Spanish ancestry in different grades. It's like saying most Dominican bakers, carpenters, graphic designers, architects - you name it - have Spanish ties. Most Dominicans are mixed, many have a Spanish great-grandparent and they are proud of their ties to Spain. Whereas Haiti became an expansionist, colonialist state which genocided the French population and invaded the DR multiple times, the DR not once invaded the Haitians.
@@emanuelkingsley7509But, they were never called Dominican.
@@MoïsePicard-ef8frOf course yes, we have been Dominican since 1625 by order of King Philip of Spain, which was called the "Dominicus" order, where the people who lived on the island were described as "Dominicans." The point is that Haitians do not want to understand that they come directly from Africa.
History, real history is available in the Internet. I’ll suggest you do your homework and then , do a video about it 👎🏻
You mean the fake history tbt Spanish taught you ??
@@peacebeuntoyou345I see you have your panties in a bunch. It’s 2024 Haiti needs to get their damn act together and stop playing the victim card!! In terms of the so called Haitian liberation of Dominicans, how can a country that freed themselves from the French invade the DR and enslave others? 🤦♂️ your people love leaving certain parts of history out of the books to fit their narrative but ok. Fix your side of the island and those who live here in the states and abroad need to start investing in Haiti so it can get back on its feet. But instead all ya’ll do is be keyboard warriors, blame Dominicans like African Americans blame everyone else for their issues and don’t do shit to make things better. Between Haitians and AA’s it’s a never ending conversation of race and victim blaming. 🤦♂️
@@peacebeuntoyou345so it’s fake because it’s not what you want to hear? you can’t disguise an occupation as liberation the people are clearly against your so-called liberation. The Spanish didn’t teach anyone anything it’s just logic.
She's been speaking with her own created inaccurate narrative and forgot to mention the Boyer's aid Guy Bonnet's letter to his commander in chief, Boyer, and his warning about invading the eastern part of the island la Hispaniola. She forgot to mention that Santo Domingo declared itself independent thru Nunez de Caceres in 1821, but malicious the western part of the Island unilaterally decided to invade the spaniard part of the territory with the sole purpose of getting resources.
Just look at what El Salvador did. They took control of their country. Now they can start the process of development. The same goes for Latin America. The excuses are over.
Dominican Republic is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. We have been doing the work. We just can’t let ourselves be overpowered by Haiti, and they have us beat in numbers.
@@wintyforeverSouth Korea achieved stability and development and they have North Korea as a neighbor. DR can achieve it too, we have a shitty neighbor that poses an imminent threat to our progress but we’re not going to let that detain us.
The narrative of hers is used to mislead/misguide the audition .... It isn't true Haitian abolished the slavery ... it was already declared illegal/abolished by the Jacobins in France and Boyer used this trick to declare here in the island (.. Remember Boyer was named as a french military, who fought against the Britons/Spaniards ) .
This video leaves several things out.
The Spanish stop importing Slaves by end of the 16th century. As the Spanish plantation model was abandoned when Spain abandoned the colony.
Two. This video does not mention the devastations of Osorio when the Western third was depopulated which allowed the French to move into Spanish territory thereafter.
People of Haiti were not imported into Saint Domingue until the 18th century. During this time the French displaced indigo and tobacco for French plantation model. Importing enslave African people in mass until 1791.
The moca massacre 1805 is documented by the N.Y. Ostiago Herald. The reason by Deadlines was because his anti French sentiment resulting in the massacring of the remaining French and also Spanish on the Easter side.
The Haitian occupation was a failed unification. We have two historical manifesto that explains separation from Haiti which due to Social and Economic reasons. Bad policies and bringing the entire island into debt.
The importation of Haitian people in the Dominican sugar industry was by the American military in the early 20th century. Which created the migrant problem the DR has in the 21st century.
Haiti and the DR has entirely different demographic origins. As Frank Moya Pons states we are disimilar. No need to romanticize the history of the two.
Wait...wait...so what happened to the Treaty of Ryswick (1697)? The transfer of Santo Domingo to the French (1795) - Treaty of Basel. The return to Spanish rule (1809).The Ephemeral Independence from Spain (1821)? The Haitian occupation (1822-1844)?? Subsequent Haitian invasions to retake the eastern side??
The Dominican Republic and other nations may be taking satisfaction in Haiti's current misery and struggles, viewing it as a source of shame. Haiti has indeed reached a low point. However, just as the world witnessed China's rise from its years of humiliation to its current power, the same could be said for Haiti. Although it may not occur within our lifetime, Haiti will eventually return to its former glory.
Haitians always wanted to be purest and wanted to get rid of anybody who was mixed with european blood. Dominicans on the other hand embraced their mixed identity and decided to try and build their country.
fake history 🤣🤣
I like scholars from other nations even comedians like Bassem from Egypt can be critical of Eurocentrism and Afrocentrism.
These US Academics can't seem to do this because they want to fit into an agenda.
Instead of the Dominican Republic banging on about the old beef with Haitians, yeah? Think about the things Haitians never wiped them out. History could've flipped, but it didn't, so they didn't. Just 'cause the big Western mandem try to make Haiti look bad, don't mean the Dominican Republic should be snakey. So, if Haiti's such a problem or you're so vexed with them, why jack Haiti's flag colours, eh? Why not rep Spain's colours instead?
@KidsSmartLearning Your entire comment is idiotic.
Unbelievable, so because Haitians did not genocide all Dominicans, despite Haiti's murderous invasions, military occupation, and oppression, Dominicans should be thankful. That's a pretty low bar you place on Haitians. Educate yourself: Haitians didn't wipe Dominicans out because the latter managed to kick them out, many times over in fact. Secondly, think before you write. Haitians took the colors of the French flag. Should one apply the same logic to them that you did to Dominicans and their flag?
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I loved this explanation.
Dont forget antihaitianismo 😂
Antihaitíanismo is something a lot of Dominicans sweep heavy under the rug.
@@MoïsePicard-ef8fr "Don't forget antidominicanism." "Antidominicanism is something a lot of Haitians sweep heavy under the rug." See the logic?
@@emanuelkingsley7509 ANTIHAITIANISMO IS A WORD THE OTHER SHXT YOU WROTE IS NOT A WORD AT ALL. 😂😂😂 ONE OF THOSE WORDS IS TIED TO TRUJILLO 😂😂😂
Great explanation.. bravo