Using Plugins on PreSonus StudioLive Series iii Console || Mixing with plugins live
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Using 3rd-party plugins on your StudioLive series iii console is super simple. Watch as I walk you through how to set it up, deal with latency and monitoring, and have some fun in the process. (Timestamps below)
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Timestamps:
00:00 Welcome
02:43 Start
03:19 Change all Analog inputs to USB, set Digital out to Analog
05:50 Open Studio One & create a new template
10:00 Create Stereo Inputs and Stereo Outputs
11:20 Drums: Adding the Trigger Plugin to the snare
13:39 Adding Waves Tune Real-Time
16:29 How to see & control Mixer's own Fat Channel settings (EQ ,Compressor) directly from Studio One
17:38 Latency (and how to deal with it)
22:22 Test (Demo with Drum replacement & Vocal Tuning)
24:26 Q&A
25:16 Important tip
27:34 REALLY USEFUL Tip (to find which plugins are causing delays)
30:58 Virtual Sound check
33:58 What are we going to do with Monitors?
36:35 Duplicate channels virtually in the console, in case things crashed
(Thanks to Live Differently for making these and posting in the comments!)
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Thanks James! been waiting for this one. you answered a ton of questions I had about using the studio one plugins live. Thanks again for taking the time to make this video. much appreciated.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome tutorial!
I have been churning out great live broadcast mixes using DAWS such as Reaper, Ableton and Logic because of ability use plugins of choice. Now I can use the same plugins for live mixing.
I tested this method on my SL32R and Reaper using USB and it worked superbly. Then I tried it with one computer purely running UC Surface and the other running Reaper and all my favourite effects and AVB networking. It worked really great.
Delay is very minimal and to most ears it would be unnoticeable.
I used two computers to lighten the load of plugins.
Thank you so much for this great tutorial. Greetings from the UK.
@Calvin guru Hello how do you set this up thru UC Surface. I'm on a SL24R and can't seem to figure it out
400 ms worked like a charm ! thank you for the video
I’ve had my Studiolive for about 3 years now and I had no idea this was even possible! Thank you so much!
I dig in the manual so you don't have to :) enjoy it!
@@AttawayAudio lol, thanks!
I think you are making sense! I am just going to have to spend a lot of time on this before my brain really can realize the information. (Brain very full right now)
If your board allows for filtered recalls, you can set a "no plugin" scene that removes the inserts from vocal channels (or any channel that you are running plugins through as a channel insert). This way if you don't have the channel capacity to duplicate your vocal channels and have one set regular and one set tuned, you still have an option to get vocals back quickly if the computer crashes.
Great thinking!
Sound Ninja's .. you the man with that!!! It's a honor to be known as that
Well you gotta be sneaky and effective! And they wear black, so that's cool too 🤣
I don't own Presonus, but thank you for reminding me to recheckout the Haas and Precedence Effects. Great work as always sir.
Nerdy fun for everyone 😃
AWESOME video!!
Wow!! Awesome vid!!!.
saving it in the right place is always fun llh
19:30 In studiolive do we have to add the latency of the interface in addition to the plugin in studio one? muchas gracias
Subscribed, liked and downloaded… thank you!
Late to the party but thanks for the vid! I was trying to figure out how to do inserts on the SL32
Studio one does do real time delay compensation if you slap that mixer into DAW control mode and use studio one as the mix engine. You can even use the effects rack from the console to help offload some DSP, and there is a tasty lexicon option that works in that rack. :)
I'll have to check that out! It makes me wonder... I don't think the Flex Mixes are available in DAW mode, so would all the busing have to be done in S1? Lots more to explore there 😃 Thanks Jerod!
@@AttawayAudio I’m not sure, but I assume so.
I didn't know all the benefits that you get with Presonus Studio live before purchasing my Midas, wish I knew all these before...
Just discovered and subscribed to your channel! Thank you and God bless you!
Glad to have you here michael! And thanks for checking in on the premiere a few minutes ago!
11:20 Hello, thank you very much for your channel, I have a question about how to replace the snare hit, with the side stick hit, thank you very much, greetings from Chile
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Great info. Next video idea for you is instead of using plugins in S1 can you help me figure out how to use real outboard gear the same way or a way that I’m not sending out an aux or a group to an outboard compressor and back into a different channel. Maybe that’s the on,y way. Would love it if you could figure a way. Thx!
Hey! Great video, can I ask, if I’m using a 32r on stage connected to a console at FoH, can I have the rack in stage box mode (so they can have their own processing for iems but then I can run plugins at FoH?
Also, is it possible to program a custom switch to move all channels from analog to usb as a backup in case of machine failure?
Love your videos dude!
Using the digital "insert" (which isn't really an insert) with AVB requires patching digitally from the stage box/rack console to the computer, then the output back to the second console. I've never tried it, but it sounds tricky and complicated, and I've heard that patching doesn't "remember" very well on the computer side of AVB.
There is a project recall filter that can recall the input source, but I haven't tested it out to see if there's any interruption with audio when you're recalling a project vs. just a scene.
super helpful info, I am trying to do the same steps and it worked perfectly (ANALOG) using PT as DAW, but I can't make it work by using the NSB (Digital Snake) by Presonus "NSB16.8 AVB" could you do this same tutorial but using the NSB16.8 and Pro Tools? thank you!
Hi! how can i get the main channel from the studio one to my live streaming software vmix?
Sync cool buddy..looking fwd to your video. Jono 👌
Thanks!
Hey James. I'm probably late to the presonus party but can you show how to use Avb as a virtual sound card.
I want to use my macbook to record and another macbook on stage to run stems.
How would you go about it with a AVB stage box setup
thanks very much!!
You're welcome!
Hey, I have Studiolive 16.4.2 Can i use plugin in that mixer plz tell me, And i want to know that can i connect a 32 channel stage box to that mixer i use 32channel input channels
Whoa.. that's a game changer with those triggers.
I know, right?
@@AttawayAudio I've been doing trial runs. I moved over to the presonus line Nov 2019. I'm really happy I did.
I've been really happy with PreSonus too.
James trust you good? Please can you make a video on how to configure studiolive and the superRack performer? Thanks
Good one
thank you akhimie!
I assume you would EQ and control dynamics on the duplicated channel for the vocals right?? Not sure where the signal chain comes back into the board....or even out of the board for that matter.
Yes you'd EQ and compress the return. Each channel can choose its own input, whether it's analog, digital, or even from a different preamp/USB input from the channel number it's on.
hey James, thank you for this awesome video. Is there a way to put inserts on a subgroup or the main L/R?
Good question! Not exactly inserts, but you can send the LR bus to the computer, and return it on an aux input that's routed directly out to an output. I do that to use the Waves Nx plugins while I'm mixing or listening to music on headphones.
A suggestion for the audio sync issue. You may want to verify that the frame rate on your camera and switcher/encoder are all the same. If they do not match, it can cause sync issues.
yeah I've checked that... no dice. Might be time to buy an ATEM mini pro
@@AttawayAudio funny thing on the mini pro’s is that their audio inputs are not that great. First off I’m pretty sure that the inputs are unbalanced, which is a little dance to get right coming out of a mixer. The only way I have found to get good audio out of them is to feed the audio in through HDMI.
Hi, kindly help with this challenge we've been facing with our Presonus StudioLive III 32SX mixer.
We have been facing a recent challenge of the entire mixer freezing and becoming inoperable for a considerable period of time.
All buttons and touchscreen functionality become unresponsive or respond only after few minutes of initial contact.
Your help will be highly appreciated to troubleshoot and solve this issue.
Grateful for your assistance.
Hey James (or whoever ends up answering), our church uses the 24R only (and a little computer and an ipad to control it). I've been having trouble getting multi tracks recording over usb to our second computer so that we can do virtual soundchecks, etc. Is it the same process with the 24R as with the series 3 console mixers? Is there a tutorial somewhere for setting this up? Thanks!
Hi ! Very good video there ! Just a question : Does the mix busses also have the input delay setting ?
they have output delay 😃
Heyhey !! Thanks for that !!! It's helping a lot
Hi James, do you offer some training one on one? If so let me know I am very interested.. I have a quick question can we add a plugin on outputs using Studio One 5 with the console?
Sure, shoot me an email.. it's on my webiste
hi i didn't get it, i just want to make sure, if I want to do live broadcast mixing inside Studio One while doing live sound so I have to change all inputs to USB not analog/network input while doing live sound mixing ? am using NSB 16.8.
no that's only if you want to insert channels on your console... you can still route the output of S1 to somewhere else for your broadcast mix.
I ran across this video while watching some tutorials for my StudioLive AR8. Can I do the same thing with the AR8?
No clue 🤷♂️
NEED HELP!! SO WE HAVE 2 SL3 BOARDS ONE IS FOH AND RUNNING ANALOG AND THE OTHER BROADCAST DIGITAL IM TRYING TO SET UP FOR BROADCAST MIXING THROUGH THE DAW AND RETURN BACK TO THE BROADCAST I REALLY NEED HELP!!!
Is this possible to do using the StudioLive rack mixer as well as a Stagebox connected via Ethercon to the mixer? How would you set that up having to use Network as the source, thanks!
yes, the process is the same, just start with your input set to network first, set your preamp, then switch to USB
Does studio one give you the plugins for free or you have to link them to work
can the same be done via AVB? I'm running a Studiolive 16 with a Nsb32.16 stage box.
All my inputs come from the Nsb 32.16.
Can I have the signal from the NsB 32 to my MacBook for processing then to my Studiolive 16?
AVB-> MacBook AVB -> Console.
anyone can help me im using Studio 64s that is being connected to my stage box is should toggle it into USB input or not? because all of my inputs connected to 32r stage box
Excuse me I have a question, is it posible to control the (studiolive) using some kind of message like the(midas m32)? Like (OSC message)
I'm not exactly sure! If you find out, let me know though... sounds fun!
is there any way i can dowload your recalls
Is this still plausible if you are using a rackmount mixer in stagebox mode and connecting to the console via ethercon. Can you then send to the computer and back to the channel to run effects processing from the computer?
Without having the actual stage boxes or another unit available to test it, my guess is you would need a Mac which recognizes AVB as an audio interface, and then route the AVB back to the console that way. Whether or not you can control the preamps from the destination console or not is yet to be tested. If anyone wants to loan me some of this stuff so I can check it out, I'd appreciate it!
how do you export that ?
How about when you are running inouts via Cat5 and a stagebox?
That's a great question! I'm not sure, and I don't have an AVB stagebox to test it out. Let me know if you try it!
Hey can you do a video on audio networking specially on the studio live 32 🙏.
Sounds fun! I'd have to pick up an AVB box... don't have one yet
@@AttawayAudio are they not super expensive?
@@AttawayAudio any update of when we’ll get a networking video?
Hello please i can you help out with a training video on the studio live 64s because i have one but i don,t know where to start from. Thanks
Sounds like fun! But have you looked at the videos PreSonus has done? They're really great
And where can I get the plugins
Is this essentially the same thing on the X32?
The concept is the same... patching it is different.
pleas dive in more into studiolive series iii
please
stay tuned!
Hello dear,
Quick brainstorm.
Is it possible to route the audio straight to the PC process it and then send it back to the fader for mixing live? So I don’t lose a channel
I mean to route the analog to the PC trough the “Digital Send Source”. Get that signal as in PC USB input in StudioOne. Process it. And send it back as an input to the same channel fader (thought UBS input source option).
Then mix it in the FOH worship.
Thanks
yes that's a possibility. I haven't tested it for stability though
@@AttawayAudio thanks for confirming 😃 once I get a dedicated machine just for audio processing in couple of weeks I will test and share my findings with you and the community here
@@AttawayAudio as I’m getting channel limited with our Presonus SL 32 Series III. And if I’m going to use one channel for sending to the computer and then another to get it back in the mix then I’m using half the capacity of the mixer. Figuratively speaking.
Would this be the same setup procedure if you were sending to waves super rack performer?
yup!
@@AttawayAudio Thanks!
Why would the drum pads be stereo?
Are the pads what you refer to as triggers or are the triggers from a plugins with drum samples?
yeah drum pads have stereo reverb, or you can pan the patches around for different toms, for instance.
Hi there i have a presonus 24.4.2 ai is there plugins for that set up with macbook pro
Depends how old the macbook pro is... but I've never tested it
Nice. Can you share your Studio One template?
I have one in my Broadcast Audio course update www.attawayaudio.com/broadcast-audio
getting a fix for latency compensation in Logic has been driving me crazy. In logic you used to be able to hover over a plugin and get a text reading of the amount of latency a particular plugin is causing but the most recent versions of logic don't seem to give you that information anymore. I've basically found the channel that is causing the most latency and adjusting to that but when it comes to my drums I need to be really exact to avoid phase cancelling. Anybody have any idea how I can find out the exact numbers of plugin chain latency is causing in logic?
Maybe there's a FFT plugin that can help?
You can still hover over the plugin and if it is introducing any latency than it’ll show you how much
@@suanlian8977 It used to but since updating to the latest update of LOGIC I haven't seen that feature anymore
Can I use AVB port instead of USB?
I would assume so! But I haven't tested it out that way.
Can liver professor or superack run perfectly on this desk?
Those programs run alongside the desk on a computer, not within it. And nothing's perfect. But both do work reliably.
Hi, can you use the same presonus console + plugins but instead of studio 1, use Logic Pro X? I’m just so used to logic 😅.
Of course. You won't get the in-computer preamp and FatChannel control, but you can use any plugin host you'd like.
You’re the Man!! God bless you!
no YOU're the man jonathan 🙌🙌 God bless you too!
Won't the usb connection have too much latency, instead of the avb?
Depends on your buffer size
Hello James.
I wish I can know the settings with the console return in the console.
I've been trying to do the same, but I get some weird sound whenever I switch to the USB input on the console. Can that be digital feedback? If yes how can I solve it.
Did you select analog for the digital send option after choosing USB as the channel input?
You might have Sample Rate problems
@@AttawayAudio yes. I got to know it doesn't work with network, unless I route it to a different channel.
James I'm not sure what's going on, I'm not getting any sound. Not sure what to do need help!
Can anyone please confirm that this will work with an AVB NSB stage box? This would be the signal flow: analog in in NSB16 > USB > DAW > a StudioLive channel?
I would also like to know if this is possible. Looking into it but so far no luck..
@@MrJkalebby I found the answer: it won't work. USB send can only be sourced from analog inputs, not NSB.
Aloha! My name is Sean and I work with Aixdsp. What's the best way to send you our plug-ins?
Email is on my website. Attawayaudio.com
How can I do this if my signal is not coming in Analog but digital through the network using a stage box?
it gets tricky this way. You have to route it through AVB to your computer, then from the computer to the console.
@@AttawayAudio but that has to be in different channels right? One where the signal is coming in from AVB To the computer and another one where the signal is returning from the computer through usb
What if you're receiving all of the inputs from a network stage box over Cat6? The input on the console can't be analogue, it has to be network since over Cat6.
I believe that if you start with it on Network input, and then choose "digital" as the send source it may work. But beware of a feedback loop with "digital" as the digital send source, since if it's looking to USB to be both send and return, and the DAW/LiveProfessor is doing the same, you could make for some very loud digital noise
Anyone know if i can do this with a Yamaha tf5 with usb host?
I haven't looked into that! I'll be watching this comment for someone else to chime in 😃
@@AttawayAudio someone else here. we also have TF5 family, havent tried this yet but its next on our list. mainly for pitch correction, we would route the live vocal to whatever DAW we would use (probably logic), then bounce the corrected vocal back to a separate channel on the mixer, churchfront has a video on how to do this i think with the X32 series, I'll see if i can find it
I tried doing the same thing, the latency delay was too noticeable.
did you check your hardware buffer size?
Now I see you loading waves plugins on your studios live running through USB 2.0 I was wondering what's the magic you don't have waves server and card at the back of your desk and you don't run multiracks still you have no latency that's some magic bro can you make a video what's your routine look like from DAW on the computer to console
It's not "no latency," and neither is the waves server... the waves server is just dedicated DSP.
Ok I get all I need to do is getting studio live on my computer and my waves plugins will start working I don't need to spend extra cash
Ok, so now I made it up all the other videos on your channel up unto this video, and my church owes you a big reduction in #soundtechsolo-moments😄
But one question, we also use Presonus SL3 and I couldnt find it in the manual..
If I use an Matrix-Mix for my livestream to mix the main together with some instruments, and I set all the channels to "Digital Send Source = digital and post-fader", then it will not affect my Matrix-Mix, right?
And then I could record simultaneously all channels in Presonus Capture or Studio One as multitrack-recording with the actual sound of the FOH? My goal is to get the comparison between the two different mixes, to show them to my team and how both of them sound on different devices compared to FOH.. And as the Matrix-Mix is also in Capture on channel 39/40 it should work if the "Digital Send" does not affect the Matrix-Mix
The "digital send source" refers to the direct output from the top of the channel to USB/AVB and has nothing to do with the pickoff point where the signal is sent to the Mix/Matrix. The rest of your explanation of how it's routed is slightly confusing, so I'm not sure how to approach answering you. Could you try explaining again?
you do not have to change all channels to USB input . You can send only the channels you want to pre process with a plug in. There is no point in sending any channel to the plug in, that does not need the FX you want from the plug in.
In a live situation, is it possible to run a couple incidences of IR modeling on acoustic instrument pickups?
sir .. over avb network....plez..
This article should help. Short story - it's a lot easier with a Mac than a PC
support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050823871-StudioLive-Series-III-Can-I-use-AVB-Network-Audio-with-my-computer-
@@AttawayAudio Thank you...🙂
Too bad the console doesn´t have a soundgrid card option..
What about PC crashing?
hit the other input button really fast
@@AttawayAudio so would you have a emergency back up mix in que in case this happens for when you have to switch the out off the laptop?
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Thanks for checking in, Mark! And nice basses on your channel!!!
Thanks man...... and thanks for all of the great videos! Always very informative and entertaining as well!!
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I feel really sorry for her having to deal with that...
@@AttawayAudio It became political comedy .. It's okay.
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Switch to a Mac
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thanks for checking in Sean!
James trust you good? Please can you make a video on how to configure studiolive and the superRack performer? Thanks
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James trust you good? Please can you make a video on how to configure studiolive and the superRack performer? Thanks
James trust you good? Please can you make a video on how to configure studiolive and the superRack performer? Thanks
James trust you good? Please can you make a video on how to configure studiolive and the superRack performer? Thanks
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