No views, ok youtube. Also I should have been more clear, I'm not comparing who hates who more, I know the rest of the world are doing atrocious things to Eldians also, I'm more so curious on how exposure to Paradis and controlling the source of Eldians for some time along side information and manipulation, may influence their hatred and mentality towards it. Compared to a nation on the other side of the globe that dont have to live under such a large constant threat of Eldians and the source of titans to such a degree, But each to their own I guess.
Wonder why people keep saying it's eren's fall. He saw the future (clarification: no one can see the future, it's just the future eren sends his past attack titan holders visions). So out of all people, he should be the one who knows what's he's doing. Is there a possibility that there may be a twist?
thats a deep question. My answer is, what did everyone who attacked Erin's home expect to happen when they took all his options away? This is not the action of a psychopathy, or a born monster nor is it even the final death throes of a lost cause. Erin and Ymir are victims who were made into monsters. I am not justifying what they did, neither Erin for giving the command or Ymir for giving Erin the power to do so. I'm saying that if you treat someone like a monster and less then human, then they themselves will start to believe it. Be careful who you make into a victim, for one day they might hold the power. And everyone in the titan world is guilty. It doesn't matter if they fed children to dogs, looked away while it happened or supported the system that allows cruelty to flourish, everyone who takes part in a corrupt society is guilty by allowing said society to exists. And it was no secret, everyone knew what was being done to the descendants of Ymir, they talked about it in open forums and announced their plans on broadband radio.Everyone knew.and.they.cheered. The major world powers announced genocide with the sound of thunderous applause. I have no sympathy for anyone outside of Paradise. Let. the. rumble. march.
If you look into retrospective, the acceleration of the world genocide is given to Willy Tybur's fault. To be clear: Willy Tybur did not actually hate Eldians. He did not think Eren was a devil. He certainly did not think Paradis was a problem. He is the ruler of Marley. Marleyan aggression backed by the power of the titans has allowed them to expand their borders and bring wealth to their nation through imperialism. As a result of that unrestricted aggression the world at large has developed intense hostilities for Marley and the titan powers. What Willy did was try to scapegoat Paradis claiming that the "real" threat was Paradis. This was a desperate gambit. Modern weaponry was quickly overcoming the power of titans and so he made up a story to try and save Marley from paying the price of centuries of tyranny and oppression. As a result the world rallied against Paradis drawing their attention away from Marley and allowing them time to consolidate their power. In other words Willy Tybur's plan was to exterminate the entire population of Paradis so that Marley could avoid the consequences of their exploitation of Eldians and the titan powers. This is beyond despicable or immoral. This is evil. There did exist a brief window where peace could have been achieved without substantial bloodshed. The world was rightfully rallying against Marley. If Zeke and the other warriors defected and used their powers to overthrow Marley with a coalition of its enemies then as part of peace negotiations Marley would cede territory and Eldians would be granted their own independent nation. Old borders would be restored, Marley would be back to neutral standing on the world stage, and Eldians would have a much better chance at freedom. Billions wouldn't have had to die, Paradis would be peacefully reintegrated into the greater world. In summary: It's all Willy Tybur's fault that billions had to die. Eren did nothing wrong. Zeke fucked up. And don't tell me Zeke's plan would've work better than Eren's. The eldians and subjects of Ymir would still be exploited but not just like the slaves of Marley, but as slaves to the entire world. What Eren does was an ultimatum given by Tybur and Marley. They tried for peace and they were constantly denied. Eren is going to create a garden of Eden within of Paradise to stop the world from eradicating the island. In conclusion: what else choices would Eren had? To continue with Zeke's plan and watch his people die with even more humilation? A peace that wouldn't even lasted because eldians are being called the devils of the world? Or to secure its survival through the most brutal way possible? I'll leave you all to decide.
Well said, I forgot about Tybur's speech. People are focused on the past sins of the Eldians, but have forgot that present day Marley is essentially what the Eldian empire used to be. Marley currently holds the most power in the world and are desperate to hold on to it. They are afraid that the technology of the world will catch up with the power of the titans and Marley will lose its advantage. That is why they wanted the coordinate and even the oil reserves on paradise. It's not about correcting past sins, it's about greed and power, and using present day Eldians as scapegoats.
Very well said. Essentially, Marley has put on the table “It’s all of us, or the island of paradis, one has to go”, and Eren being a total savage said “alright then”. Eren wouldn’t have taken such drastic measures if they hadn’t forced his hand
"The rest of the world might not share Marley's hatred for Eldians"!? Are you serious? You do remember Udo saying that other countries treat Eldians even worse than Marley? There are other examples, like the Mid-East soldier saying to the warrior candidates, "Don't touch me, you devils." Yes, the rest of the world VERY much hates Eldians. While I am a really big fan of your work, honest, this is something we call selective memory.
You didn't get his point. He already knows that the rest of the world hates Eldians, but is it Really hate? Or just fear? His point is that they're siding with Marley out of fear, not just hatred.
@@tkn9979 that its a bullshit excuse it sounds like that scene where a hebrew is bargaining with god not to destroy sodom like "if there is a 100 inoccent people will you spare the city" "what if its 1 innocent person" and in the end sodom gets destroyed because its a bullshit excuse
I feel like eren is like a wild animal being backed into a corner. I remember when he screamed at hange if there was any other way from his jail cell. I remember when mikasa walked up to eren who was crying as he watched that kid in the fez hat interact with his family.. and mikasa asked him what happened and Eren said “nothing yet..” Eren is tortured with guilt and he feels there is no other way. I agree with you that if Eren gets defeated or stopped, it will be through communication and i believe it will be Armin to do it. Especially since Eren has all Eldians in the paths realm so they cant stop him physically.
#TeamEren His actions are justified. All of this could’ve been prevented if the world had just left the Eldians alone to live peacefully on Paradis Island.
i see what you mean. i guess marley just hates eldians because of their shared past, and they can’t overlook it. but due to their own hatred towards eldians, eren is going to wipe them all out. great use of irony
That's up for debate. People like Eren were always going to be born into the world, and someone would've eventually figured out what was going on with the wall and the titans. Remember that Eren isn't special, he just has special powers. Anyone can strive for freedom, and that freedom would come at some cost.
@@assuming9735 Eren is special. That's what Annie talked about to Marlow and Grisha talked about to Shadis. It takes someone special to change the world. It takes a great amount of determination where others would have given up. Where the odds are against you, you keep going. In order to change anything sacrafices are needed some can even give up there own humanity. He's given up more then anyone else in the entire story to accomplish his goal of freedom and Ymir waited for 2000 years for someone to set her free and Eren is the only one in history who isn't a slave to anything but freedom.
If the world ? And how exactly would "the world" have pulled something like that off? You do realize this whole thing was set into motion by the people using the Titan power to dominate everything. And what everyone on the planet is just supposed to let that go ?
My question still is wheter he's fighting for his freedom or people close to him. If he's doing it for Mikasa and Armin, he's most likely to sacrifice himself in the end.
Reiner he’s fighting for all the people of paradis because he knows their pain and now he has the power to change everything but the way he uses it can be influenced by armin or mikasa
not just close to him but generally for ALL of Eldians and his homeland. His ideology is absolute FREEDOM and JUSTICE! When he learned what Marley did, he saw them as the devils, and would do anything to annihilate them even if he would need to side with the enemy for awhile. This is evident as to what Eren did for Mikasa when she was kidnapped. He didn't have second thoughts on risking his life for a girl he barely knew, and this mindset carried on until what he is currently. The only thing that changed on Eren when he is now a young adult was the amount of patience he had, he sided with the enemy (Zeke) just to attain the power to annihilate all living outside Paradis Island. All this rage built up inside him, all the deaths that Marley caused against the Eldians without retaliation and restrictions for many years will roll over the earth at once and cover it with death and turn everything to dust.
Omar Sabir 🙄🙄🙄 if you’ve been paying attention, you know what he said was false. He cares from them deeply but pushed them away because his methods are extreme and he doesn’t want them to be part of it
@@gammafrost how is being a dick to your only friends that care for you is sign of companionship? How is this freedom. Destroying all word and leaving a select few of people against their will is not freedom. I get if you like Eren as a character but justifying what he is doing is some red flags
Well.. As far as i remember, it was Armin who told Eren that “To defeat a monster, you must be willing to throw aside your humanity and all that makes you human” and “A person who cannot sacrifice everything, cannot change anything”.. I think Armins influence on Eren has been central from the beginning..
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
You said that the world doesn’t hate eldians as much as marleyans but udo said to gabi and the rest that eldians are treated much worse outside of marley
Even when he did have memories of the future, Eren was still desperate to find another way. He could have just rushed headlong into trying to start the rumbling but he didn't. He went for every opportunity to make a peaceful solution. He would have never threatened Hange the way he did if he wasn't desperate for another solution. There either just wasn't enough time or there really was no other way to resolve any of this. Everyone can agree that genocide is wrong but what else could Eren have done? I know that regardless of how conflicted he is, or how much he's suffering because of all of this that doesn't justify this either. All I know is that Eren never asked for any of this but I know that there's no one else alive in this story that's strong enough to make the decision that Eren's had to make.
"As he ascends reaching new heights in terms of power and might to the point it reaches beyond gods in the highest heavens his humanity decends to past to the devils and the lowest depth of hell."
Raphael Agbaja I believe Eren’s actions are justified in every right because he was pushed to the point of no return by the cruel world and now he might possibly go to the lowest points and do whatever he feels is right because he has finally gained the power to change everything
@@abdinajibmah3782 Eren understood something; that violence breeds more violence. If the "Devils" simply crushed Marley to defend themselves, there would be others who would recent them for that and compare them to the Eldian Empire. But, if he destroys absolutely everything outside Paradis, then there would be no more violence directed against Paradis, if anything, it would be directed towards him.
1:38 It has been highlighted in many chapters that segregation and racism against Eldians, or specifically, Subjects of Ymir, in other countries are reaching heights surpassing Marley's policies. Marley waving around its Titan powers in its wars of conquest does not help one bit.
@@fancyjoey9102 He needed to do way more research in all his videos. They are mostly just garbage and i'm pretty sure the only reason people watch is to comment and share theories while waiting for new chapters. His video titles are annoying as fuck in any case.
I think Eren is justified, as tough as it is to say. This isn't Eren being paranoid and deciding that the rest of the world is his enemy, Eren choosing to destroy the world is a culmination of not just his life's experience, but everyone connected to the Attack Titan in the past 2000 years. In 2000 years, nothing has gotten better for him or Ymir's offspring. Whether it was the people of Eldia or Marley, people like Eren have been abused by some powerful group for at least two millennia.
@@Phos67 Absolutely, and I feel his desperation is justified. The entire world wants him and the people living in Paradise dead. What else can he possibly do when he's seen the Eldians suffer for at least two thousand years?
@@assuming9735 I don't think omnicide is justified but in Eren's own mind he knows it isn't but he didn't have a choice, it's a tragic downfall, Eren is the fallen hero of the story that was fated to go down a dark path as much as everyone believed he would rise up against it.
Also, anyone saying Eren should've considered negotiating with the world doesn't count that he has limited time to act and the extermination of Paradis can happen much faster compared to the entire world. Then it'll all be meaningless. He would've failed because he chose to believe others instead of believing in his own strength. That same theme Isayama's been hinting from season one.
Wasn’t it established many chapters ago (I think it was around chapter 100, and one of the warrior cadets who was friends with Gabi and Falco was talking about it) that a lot of nations treat Eldians much worse than Marley currently does? Just because the story is focused mostly on Marley doesn’t mean that that’s the only place where the problem lies. In fact, it was clearly and definitively stated that the problem is many times worse in other nations outside of Marley.
Yes it was. The only reason that Marley is doing this with the rest of the world is to rid the world of Eldians and also achieving technological advantage since Titan warfare is becoming obsolete.
The boy kid warrior (gabi and falco's friend) says marley treats the eldians better than other countries. we know exactly what the world thinks of eldians. Team Yeager to the end.
Right, cause Marley likes exploiting the Eldians ability to turn into giant man-eating monsters to subjugate the rest of the world. Not to mention Marley is ruled by the Tybur family who are Eldians themselves. But now that the world is progressing in science and more traditional modern day weaponry, they are being left behind due to their reliance on titans as weapons (gee, how ironic). Hence their pointing fingers at Paradisians as the Devils of the Island who threaten the worlds safety. It is all just a big power struggle for Marley and ignorance and fear from the rest of the world which was further perpetuated by Willy Tybur. Marley is no different to Eldia in their warring and desire for power over others, and now with a perfect scapegoat (Paradis and Eren Yeager), they will also get control of the resources on the island so they can continue to stay in power and have an advantage over the other nations of the world. Anyone who isn't Team Yaeger is retarded.
Rughjnnyuhbgg Right, because it hasn’t been done before? I also don’t feel Eren will really kill everyone who isn’t Eldian but you never know. That isn’t the point anyhow, we were discussing why asshats who think it’s better for Eldians to roll over and die are retarded and with no sense of loyalty to characters we have been pushed to become invested in for over 100 chapters now for little apparent reason besides “oh, Eren is evil!!”. Boohoo. Life’s tough, get over it. The world can go fuck itself, Team Yaeger to the end.
@@chainedscythe2000 Cool cool. I care about the 10+ characters with unresolved character arcs literally standing around and doing nothing and those who only care about Eren are fine with them never doing anything again, which is fair, but that doesn't make it not shit writing. My other main problem is that Eren could've cooperated with his friend and allies and defend Paradis, threatening enemies, while trying to form diplomatic relations. Only if that doesn't work rumbling is justified.
Rughjnnyuhbgg Can’t say much about characters who we still need updates on such as Levi and Annie but Eren is by far the most well written character and the protagonist. It’s only fair. As for the other characters, they either still have roles to play or they are irrelevant at this point. There’s not that much left to cover and most of those characters arcs could be finished in one chapter, perhaps the final one like in Tokyo Ghoul. As for your other problem. I can only say you need to reread the last 25-30 chapters or so. The world *literally* declared war on Paradis in chapter 100. Eren’s attack on Liberio gave them time, the beast titan (for the rumbling) and a headstart in the war (by killing a lot of important officials of other nations and whatnot - planned by Willy Tybur and Magath to further the worlds hate and fear of Eldians but what choice did Eren have? His attack bought them time and gave Paradis a way to survive). Eren’s “friends and allies” meanwhile were twiddling their thumbs in wonderland while pondering on who should eat him since he only has a few years left. They even had the gall to chide him while he was fighting for them, those so called ‘friends’ aren’t worth any more screen time if you ask me. Fuck ‘em. On top of this, recent chapters have literally been to show that there was NO other way, no peace, no diplomacy, no chance of survival without the rumbling. The world doesn’t even want to listen to what the ‘devils’ have to say. And threats wouldn’t work either and even if did it wouldn’t be for long given advancements in weapon technology making titans severely underpowered in comparison and hence lead to eventual Eldian extermination. The 145th King Fritz has already threatened them once with the false promise of rumbling which Eren is now making true. They were warned (unbeknownst to the 145th King Fritz of course). But what happened? They sent their little warriors to test out the walls and “retrieve” the co-ordinate. So they could fuck over Paradis and the rest of the world themselves. Only the asians seem to have some sympathy - though probably with ulterior motives. So essentially, this was the last option. There was nothing else that could be done. Kill or be killed. All this time Eren has been suffering. He knows all this. He knows what the world wants. He’s been left with no choice. Either die or fight to protect your loved ones at the cost of destroying the world. Do you think he wanted to do this? That he didn’t look for another way? That he is a heartless monster? If so then you haven’t been paying the slightest arrention to the story.
I'm with Eren all the way. He's become a great character and, dare I say, incredibly based. However I also understand Marley and the rest of the world's point of view. I feel like people need to be reminded that the Great Titan War and the subversion of the Eldian Empire happened only some 100 years ago; people do not forget that easily and, of course, children will learn from their parents. And let's be real, I feel like the world has some pretty just cause to fear the Eldians: people who can randomly transform into giant monsters? We as the readers find that normal because it's fiction, anything goes, but put yourself in the shoes of a resident of that world. You would want nothing to do with those people, I'm sure. And then there's the fact that a single person, the Founding Titan, can control any Eldian at will. That's extremely threatening. Sure enough, King Fritz made it so any royal heir will follow in his footsteps of non-aggression, but what assurance is there for the world that the Founding Titan couldn't be simply snatched away and somehow used for war? Case in point, what Eren's doing right now. Regardless, it's become a situation where everyone is right and wrong at the same time, and I love it. Clearly it's become a point where Eldians and the rest of the world simply cannot co-exist, as we've been shown many times in the manga. I'm with Eren right now, but if Marley turned around the tables and somehow eliminated Paradis, I feel like I'd be fine with that, too. What I wouldn't want is a cop-out ending where the power of love somehow makes things right.
Dresrosa theres a little issue you forgot. Marley used the titans in their wars against these other countries. Everyone on that planet hates eldians. Im with eren. Peace would never be possible something would happen like it always does. Theres always going to be someone who will envy eldians for their power.
Great video as usual! I don't particularly agree with some of the points you made but I can see where you are coming from. I personally thought the world's view on Eldians, or particularly the one's on Paradis, was made pretty clear since chapter 100. When the world leaders gathered in Marley for Tyburs speech, they did not cautiously agree, they were in tears cheering. Again, in the latest chapter, during the international conference, the guy that was speaking was asking for support for non-Paradisian Eldians across all nations and I quote "It is only the devils of that Island that deserves our hatred, now as ever!" (This is from the official translation), this sounds to me that hatred of Eldians is the norm across all nations. With that in mind, I truly do not think there is another option for Eren that he can support. His priority has always been to protect his loved ones and the people of Paradis. Every alternative is just a huge gamble and right now, a gamble is not what Paradisians can take if they want to survive. Maybe that's the message Isayama is trying to give us; that people are not born good or evil, it is the circumstances that we are placed in, the options that we are given that makes people do what they do. Everything that happened, starting from Ymir, has lead Eren down this path, to put him in this situation where he has to choose between the world or his people. Yes, like I mentioned earlier that there are alternatives but there are no alternatives that does not scream a big fat 'MAYBE'. There is no ideal solution, Isayama did not commit so many panels to show that Eren had no other options for no reason. It has been shown that Eren has tried to go down the peace route, but the world nations has tied his hands. From Eren's perspective, every alternative is flawed but there is only one that is absolute and that is the path that he has taken. It is not right or justifiable, but I think Eren knows that more than anyone, but the circumstances in every aspect of Eren's life from the start has lead him here to this point and he has to choose.
You do realize the Titan power comes with a time limit right ? I mean if using that power had no setback people long before Eren would have used it prior to this point because there wouldn't have been anything to lose. Hell they'd probably do it periodically just to keep the rest of the world from advancing scientifically.
@@masterDarts4188 I think he will stop the time limit somehow, maybe after destroying the path tree and ending titans from ever being born and freeing Ymir the curse will end.
@@ZaxorVonSkyler Stopping the time limit would be a bad move writing wise. Because it makes the concept of the Titan curse seem really insignificant. Because if all it took was just obtaining the founder titan with the blood of a royal, why wouldn't they have just stopped the curse long before this point ?
@@masterDarts4188 I said also by freeing Ymir and cutting the path tree down, maybe with somekind of axe like something close to the war hammer titan uses which would tie back into mythology with Mjolnir.
@@ZaxorVonSkyler That might be a bit too silly for AOT. The manga prides itself on consequences and causalities. Taking away the curse of the Titan just removes the gravity of the situation. And it's probably unlikely Eren will survive when all this is said and done..
I don't think Eren deliberately wants to take any life, nor do I think he's inherently evil. These recent chapters have made me think about one scene. The scene when eren, reiner and falco are all together in that basement listening to Tyburs speech. Specifically that soft smile Eren gave as tybur reached the end of the speech and declared war against paradise. Aside from the planning Eren has been doing, it feels like, to him, he's always left the fate of humanity in their own hands. His goal is simply to protect his people from unjustifiable death. The moral is that no one on this earth truly deserves death, especially for something they had nothing to do with. If both sides (ymir subjects vs. Humanity) could instead come together and assimilate naturally, that would be the ideal situation. But the reality is in this story the same as it is outside in the real world. Both sides thinking the other is of malevolent nature and fighting for survival because they feel pushed into a corner and know nothing else. (Marley by newfound titan power or paradise by the rest of the world.)
Eren is the biggest slave of all in ironic hindsight. Eren's "self" was predetermined by the memories and events that his future self imposed on his father and himself. Eren is a slave to freedom. He is a slave to his destiny. He is a slave to freeing Ymir and their people. His choices were to place his hopes in the world changing or to take the world by force in order to change. The choice was made for him by a world that refused to change. He is upset and cries not because he's free. Because he is a slave to what he has to do for his PEOPLE'S freedom. Because remember, Eren is living on borrowed time with the powers of the Founder, the Warhammer, and the Attack Titan. More likely than not, he will not live through this and he knows this. That's why he has to "risk it all for a glimmer of freedom". But his people will be free, possibly with the cooperation of the subjects of Ymir and the world against Eren or otherwise, for better future.
@@marcusaurelius2013 Thank for the comment. Yes and no. Eren having the ability to send memories back into the past does give him the ability to "change fate/destiny/etc" so to speak. But this is a paradox. This freedom of future Eren is imposed on younger Eren who now longer has the choice but to walk on the path that was laid out for him. So it both freedom and slavery depending on the perspective of Young vs Older Eren. And Mikasa could never not awaken her Ackerman powers. The reason for this is because Eren survived Mikasa's family massacre by encouraging Mikasa to "fight". Had he not, this could and would have resulted in his or both of their deaths. Now, I'm not sure why Armin has become a Titan shifter, but I'm certain this somehow plays a key role into the story. Perhaps Eren intends to fight against the world to unite the world agaisnt him and deem his people as heros to the world when they all turn against him. Perhaps while he does this he is sending memories of his actions to be looped back into previous memories. Eren spends numerous lives fighting the world and dying at the hands of loved ones to constantly, slightly adjust the course of history till he reaches one where they are all free. This last bit about Armin and Eren is all speculation, of course.
Eren said in a moment of rage while attacking the female titan I quote “I will destroy this world.....I am free” If anything he hasn’t changed at all, he has just gone through events to reaffirm his stance
I have a theory that at that point, he was taken over by future Eren in an effort to eat Annie but something went wrong, the missing piece of the puzzle, and that couldn’t be accomplished. You even see how he freezes up and hange asks what’s going on
@HaloBaller9813 better offer by who? Nobody has the power right now other than Eren. I take it you also forgot or you didn't notice that Ymir herself sent the memories (the dream) to Eren 2000 years in the future. With that, it was already decided it would be him. Anyway, thanks for your effort
Eren tried as long as he could to see another way out of this despite having his memories from the future. Once Willy Tybur confirmed the attack on Paradis, there was no other way of this ending. The world will be flattened.
Yes in fact I would be a little disappointed if Erens plan doesn't work out. It would be so standard and easy for him to just be talked out of it or something. Very rarely is something brave enough to actually go through with an ending like this. The way direction he has took the MC has already basically elevated it to a masterpiece to me but being brave enough to do something other than good guys win would solidify it
I think Eren destroying all life on earth and leaving only "titans" alive would be one of the most perfect endings, but I don't think he actually wants that.
csbal imagine that. eren starting off as wanting to eradicate all the titans, and then using all the titans to eradicate all the humans. that would be a perfect ending
I would do the same. Its just self defense stuff ya know.... Eren gave them the chance. But unfortunately the rest of the world want them dead. So, yeah....
How do you know that? It never ceases to amaze me how people don't seem to realize this. We don't k ow what the rest of the world wants. We were only shown things from the perspectives of a few cities. There are billions of people on the planet. And clearly from the Asians who helped Mikasa it's apparent they don't all agree. Eren is going to kill all of them regardless of the matter. That doesn't make him right...
@@masterDarts4188 didn't you read the last few chapter? There was this meeting where all the leader of the countries decided they don't want peace, also did you read the attack in Marley by Eren? The audience there were cheering and supported the idea of war by tybur family
anno nimbouz I don't think those people can represent all the people outside. Even in paradise island even Armin don't agree with Eren. People think differently.
@@Leon-mi6vz ia eldian power to turn into titan is not a secret knowledge... The whole world knows that... Heck even Marley used them as weapon.... Even if some people Don't hate eldian, the majority does hate them and it's enough of a reason to flatten them all.. what do you think if Eren choose specific races to survive..? Sooner or later eldian will get the same treatment too by the survivors... Better start with clean sheet IMO.
@@annonimbouz851 Dude. the leaders of the country doesn't equate to the entire planet. In case you don't know, citizens are capable of disagreeing with their leaders. So we don't know if the entire planet feels the same way. Just that those in high positions of power do. That's not the same thing. Those people, account for less than 20 % of there entire population. However, Eren's plan is to try and kill everyone. Regardless of this fact.
The manga is just unbelievable now. I don't think any piece of fiction ever made me feel this conflicted. I understand Eren's dilemma and that he had no other choice, how much guilt he feels and all of it. Even with all the hate and ignorance of the whole world, killing all of them is just inhumane. I don't know what to feel anymore. Anyway this is something which will stay with me for a long time.
Eren has become the one thing he despises most of all a titan. Honestly, I think that having all of those memories in ones head can really screw with your psyche.
Karl Fritz ended the cycle of violence (it opened a few others, yeah) between Paradis and Marley. Marley's greed started it anew. They opened Pandora's Box. Totally their fault.
What fall? Even til now, he is motivated towards the protection of his people, and is out to destroy people who have positioned themselves to want the destruction of his people just because. Eren has merely maintained his alignment with values that is conformed to a good objective ethic.
This is an idealistic view there is no other way. Even if Marley is gone another super power will rise up and do the same thing. As long as titans exist they pose the threat of destroying humanity. It’s either 1 or the other. There is no other way. A lot of youtubers are in denial, I know it’s tuff but y’all gotta face the pudding #therumbling
Even if you ignore Paradis and Titans. The world is still gonna keep warring and killing. Even if Eren does destroy all but the Eldians. They will continue warring and killing amongst themselves eventually. That is the world. That is reality. Paradis is just a scapegoat for Marley at the moment in their desperate bid to remain in power. The only question is; would you rather be on the side of the people who you've more or less been with since the first chapter or abandon ship because "oh the innocents!! the horror!!!!! Eren is evil!! Fuck him!! He ism't who I thought he was!!!". Besides, Eldians are humans too. Just special.
I think you’re right about Eren and Zeke’s ideology. I’m the biggest supporter of Eren, but I find it extremely hypocritical to oppose Zeke on the basis that it is genocide and yet support Eren when he will violently destroy the entire world immediately.
Eren Kruger claim: "There is no such thing as truth in this world. That is our reality. Anyone can become a god or a devil. All it takes is for someone to claim that to be the truth." This is THE nature Of Attack ON TITAN. You either do what is RIGHT for you or wait for you ending nah... "I was BORN into this world!". You become THE Monster or you see THE Monsters obliterate you and your loved ones. This is it.
Correction - rest of the world do hate eldians as much as marley. As we saw with mid east soldier and chapter 123 eldian empire expanded to every nation in it's peak.
Im perfectly fine with Eren ending the entire world, I've been wanting a anime character that achieves what he has planed. I was so sad when Kira lost in Death Note, so Im really looking forward for eren to fuck shit up. If not I would be legit dissapointed
loved the video my dude. Btw, I really do feel it isn't necessarily that Eren has fallen, he just keeps getting reinforced in this idea that in order to win/survive has to let go of his humanity and fight/kill. We see this with Annie fight, where he thinks if he would of fought that levi squad would have survived. Then with Reiner and Bertoldts fight. Hell, he has always wanted to kill all titans. Now he realizes that the same can be applied to his enemies. True, morally its evil to kill. But his reasoning isn't just evil, its a conclusion that he came to based on his experience from this cruel world: kill or be killed. Appreciate the videos my dude, keep it up!
Well, Eren did believed in the piece option, but when the " League of Nations " reunion about the Eldian people put all their hatred at the Eldians in Paradis, Eren understood that not only Marley, but all the nations outside the walls of Paradis would always blame the Eldians in Paradis, and the cicle of hate would continue even with the destruction of Marley. And also, its not like the Eldian Empire back in the days conquered only Marley, but basically the entire World, Marley is only the central piece of hate against the Eldians, but the entire World agrees with then: Eldians ( at least the ones in the wall ) must be exterminated. Sure there are innocent people outside the walls and through the World, but the question is: the arabian kid that stole Levi and the others at the refugee camp would be so friendly towards Eren, Mikasa, Armin and all the others, if they know that they were Eldians? The answer its almost certain no. The hate and racism towards Eldians ( mainly to the ones in Paradis ) is so old and natural in every nation conquered by the Eldian Empire, that there really are space for talking, peace and connection after so much hatred being cultivated? Eren's actions are surely exaggerated and mostly Impossible for us, the readers, to agree, but can anyone really blame him for taking such desperate mesures? Eren saw the future through he's own memories, and yet he believed that peace could be achevied in the conference, just to realize that there's no peace intent towards the Eldians in Paradis.
But guys, didn't eren and pixis talked about a legend of an enemy long ago, so terrifying that all humanity banded to defeat them... Could he be trying to do this??
I don't want Isayama to end AoT like Code Geass. No please don't do that damn. I don't want Eren dying to "UNIFY" the world against one major threat. There can be more ways than that.
Hey, awesome video I loved it. Please keep the work up as i love your content and your ideas they are just amazing. but.. i do have a question. It's about tokyo ghoul as I've been binge watching your videos and rereading the manga for tokyo ghoul. so the question is how do you truly feel about tokyo ghoul? because i think it's just me being dumb but I'm confused if you really like it or you just hate it as it has wasted potential and if you do like it, how much? I'm really sorry for talking about tokyo ghoul in here as I feel that it might upset you but i just had to ask. keep the work love the videos and stay safe.
I believe Eren is purposefully playing the villain here. I can't see his plan working out, destroying all of humanity is not only a worse outcome than driving just one ethnicity to extinction, but it's also very damaging to the planet in the way he's doing it, not to mention very hard and time consuming to do. So, just like when he antagonized Armin and Mikasa earlier in the arc he's now antagonizing the whole world, making himself the enemy that everyone hates, he's the Devil, not the Eldians, Him. Having declared that kind of attack there's no doubt that the people of Paradis won't be supporting him fully, Armin was already second guessing Eren's intentions right before he put every Eldian into his Discord Server and delivered the bombshell. So Eren becomes the public enemy °1 for the whole world, and the world, including Marleyans, Paradisians and the rest of the countries have to work together to stop him, you can't just beat Eren without help from the likes of Levi, Mikasa and the rest of the still living shifters. Of course there has to be some destruction for the threat to be valid and Marley's gonna have to take the L there, but he's not likely to succeed in destroying the whole world, and I don't think he intends to anyway, he probably wants to die and take every Titan power along with him, finally freeing the Eldians, both from the the hate of the world and from the curse of the titans, he did swear that he'd destroy every last titan after all. Also 10 bucks says that Historia's gonna have a daughter, she's gonna be named Ymir and will likely be a reincarnation of the first Ymir, because of course.
I know that everyone will die at some point, but i dont want the manga to end that way. I really hope Eren doesnt die as a villain, but if he does die then hopefully as a hero, like he wanted from the beginning.
Honestly, I don't agree with Eren's plan nor do I think genocide is justifiable; however, I don't think Eren is inherently evil. Despite having seen the future, he desperately grasped at straws every chance he had - he kept looking for something that could prove what he had seen was somewhat fake. Even when Willy was giving his speech, he waited until the end to see if they would really declare war on Paradis. If they hadn't, maybe the attack on Liberio wouldn't have happened. He willingly went to the meeting and realized the hatred for Walldians wasn't exclusively from Marley, as the whole world bore the same feeling and everyone was ready to jump on them and completely annihilate Eldians. It has been also implied that nations outside of Marley are growing such a immense amount of hatred towards the Eldians that could surpass Marleys'. What we are seeing right now is the culmination of years and years of stress and desperation from Eren. It has been shown, countless of times, that he does not want to kill anyone, that he does not agree with this; however, he believes he has to do it in order for his people to finally be free. Of course not everyone in the world hates Eldians and not everyone in the world should have to be a part of a war they didn't take any part in and genocide is NEVER justifiable, but Eren has been subjected to so much shit and this is a completely desperate attempt for freedom. He's lost himself, which is completely understandable considering a 19 year old is shouldering the burden he is - at the end of the day, he just wants to keep his people safe. And I disagree when you say Zeke's plan was far better - morally - plan. Both plans are genocidal in nature, brought by their upbringings and the things they have seen.
I- Yes. Yes the rest of the world does in fact hate Paradis. That’s... that’s been... the main plot... ever since chapter 99... like... are we even reading the same manga??? Udo even said that the treatment of Eldians outside of Marley is even WORSE.
Nobody is a hero or a villain, it is upon us to decide. That being said let's remember that Eren is destroying the world that has been build on top of a little girl that has been denied her freedom, has been raped and abused. And then turned in a war mechanism for millennia. He does not want a world where that happens to anyone.
Do note that the view of "The world is both cruel and beautiful" is a sentiment we've only heard from Mikasa and Bertholdt. Eren likely only sees the world as a cruel place, and blind to its beautiful side, drowned in his desire for freedom and justice. When he and Mikasa saw the foreign refugee child with his family, Mikasa and the others saw how happy the boy is with his family, while Eren could only see the suffering and injustice done to them by the world. Maybe that makes him a realist, but to have that bleak of a view on the world is very unhealthy for his psyche. Plus, Armin is literally seeing his dreams crushed underfoot. To see the world for what it is and discover new things. Good, bad, beautiful, ugly, Armin wants to see all of it. And now, it's all being crushed by his supposed best friend.
The forces allied with Marley didn't show up because Reiner pushed for Marley to attack Paradis quickly, so I'm betting that this is a gamble on Eren's part to get the rest of the forces moving because a lot of the world has Eldian blood. All Eldians heard what Eren said. There's no way they're not freaking the fuck out and hauling ass to Paradis to kill him. The Colossal Titans and Eren wouldn't be able to reach the rest of the world quickly, if at all. What better way than to have them all come to him?
This may be obvious to everyone but theres two scenarios its either Eren and few other main characters that die with thousands from marley and paradise too or its everyone except Eren that die these are the two possible endings I think its the first one that ll happen.
What a curse it is for the attack titan and in particular Eren to strive towards freedom yet you know exactly how everything will play out cuz of future memories.
Sometimes peace is a naive goal. Not saying what eren is doing is right. Im just saying both sides are right and wrong. Its only a matter of who’s going to win. And thats the sad truth
Really interesting point of view. I doubt it is realistic, however. One of the warrior candidates, I forget which one, states that his family is from outside Marley and explicitly states that the other nations of the world treat the Subjects of Ymir even worse than Marley. The rest of the world is not less caustic towards the Subjects, it is more so. So if only Marley was destroyed, I don't see some sort of peace being established, no, I see the conflict escalating further. A war where there can only be one outcome: genocide on one side or the other, just a matter of which would be eradicated. That is part of what makes this story so fascinating. Our modern sensibilities are screaming to give peace a chance but as we see in ch 123 and back with the attack on the Tibur family, humanity in Attack on Titan has repeatedly given its answer to the call for peaace: Absolutely not.
its quite sad when you think about it, if eren would really attack the ENTIRE that will only prove for them that paradise people really are devils...when we know they really arent
... Um... I am pretty sure it is clear the whole world hates eldians. "Everyone in the world wishes for the same thing... -To kill every last eldian." "Our enemy is indeed... the world itself." They have said the countries are constantly at war with each other, we have only seen Marley which is the superpower of the world. And the theme of fighting against the world has been made clear throughout the story like with Historia's story. Even since the beginning (which sets up the themes of the rest of the story), the world has been a cruel and dangerous place where you hunt or are preyed upon. And that's why Eren had it. So yeah, not your best video, but it was a simple misunderstanding. I will be interested in seeing what you have to say in your future videos.
Yeah ..I am a big fan of him but this is the first video of him where I either disagree with his statements or feel that they are just wishful thinking.
No views, ok youtube.
Also I should have been more clear, I'm not comparing who hates who more, I know the rest of the world are doing atrocious things to Eldians also, I'm more so curious on how exposure to Paradis and controlling the source of Eldians for some time along side information and manipulation, may influence their hatred and mentality towards it. Compared to a nation on the other side of the globe that dont have to live under such a large constant threat of Eldians and the source of titans to such a degree, But each to their own I guess.
Lol welllll thats youtube for ya
“Even RUclips is a slave to something”
RUclips only promote certain videos i noticed.
Wonder why people keep saying it's eren's fall. He saw the future (clarification: no one can see the future, it's just the future eren sends his past attack titan holders visions). So out of all people, he should be the one who knows what's he's doing. Is there a possibility that there may be a twist?
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Eren was never the hero.
He was just an individual
Free to do as he wished
But he was actualy a prisoner of his ignorance and knowledge of the future
Isn't that what everyone is
For the sake of the world hes gotta die tho
Now thats what his titan stands for to right? Freedom
Demon Arshan Ymir wasn't, thats what the story is all about.
This video may be titled “The Fall of Eren Jaeger” but in terms of writing, it’s **The Rise of Eren Jaeger**
He rose to be the most powerful being in the world.
I wonder who Eren is a slave to.
Royden-Dojo slave to freedom
Royden-Dojo himself.
@@royden-dojo975 to his fate, whether that be his rise to power or his own demise.
Eren’s become one of the best villain protagonists of all time, up there with Infinity War Thanos, Light Yagami, and Lelouch vi Britannia
definitely.
No infinity war thanos is not a protagonist. What are you talking about and he is also not a good developed character.
Thanos is such a bad written character. So simple .
thats a deep question. My answer is, what did everyone who attacked Erin's home expect to happen when they took all his options away? This is not the action of a psychopathy, or a born monster nor is it even the final death throes of a lost cause. Erin and Ymir are victims who were made into monsters. I am not justifying what they did, neither Erin for giving the command or Ymir for giving Erin the power to do so. I'm saying that if you treat someone like a monster and less then human, then they themselves will start to believe it. Be careful who you make into a victim, for one day they might hold the power. And everyone in the titan world is guilty. It doesn't matter if they fed children to dogs, looked away while it happened or supported the system that allows cruelty to flourish, everyone who takes part in a corrupt society is guilty by allowing said society to exists. And it was no secret, everyone knew what was being done to the descendants of Ymir, they talked about it in open forums and announced their plans on broadband radio.Everyone knew.and.they.cheered. The major world powers announced genocide with the sound of thunderous applause. I have no sympathy for anyone outside of Paradise. Let. the. rumble. march.
This perfectly summarizes my thoughts on that question. I say let the rumble happen. Let the Titans march forward
This is a fair point too. Damn.
everyone i dislike is evil because of free will
everyone who i like is evil because of circumstances
You said everything I wanted to say
True couldn't agree more!
If you look into retrospective, the acceleration of the world genocide is given to Willy Tybur's fault.
To be clear: Willy Tybur did not actually hate Eldians. He did not think Eren was a devil. He certainly did not think Paradis was a problem.
He is the ruler of Marley. Marleyan aggression backed by the power of the titans has allowed them to expand their borders and bring wealth to their nation through imperialism.
As a result of that unrestricted aggression the world at large has developed intense hostilities for Marley and the titan powers. What Willy did was try to scapegoat Paradis claiming that the "real" threat was Paradis. This was a desperate gambit. Modern weaponry was quickly overcoming the power of titans and so he made up a story to try and save Marley from paying the price of centuries of tyranny and oppression. As a result the world rallied against Paradis drawing their attention away from Marley and allowing them time to consolidate their power.
In other words Willy Tybur's plan was to exterminate the entire population of Paradis so that Marley could avoid the consequences of their exploitation of Eldians and the titan powers. This is beyond despicable or immoral. This is evil.
There did exist a brief window where peace could have been achieved without substantial bloodshed. The world was rightfully rallying against Marley. If Zeke and the other warriors defected and used their powers to overthrow Marley with a coalition of its enemies then as part of peace negotiations Marley would cede territory and Eldians would be granted their own independent nation. Old borders would be restored, Marley would be back to neutral standing on the world stage, and Eldians would have a much better chance at freedom. Billions wouldn't have had to die, Paradis would be peacefully reintegrated into the greater world.
In summary: It's all Willy Tybur's fault that billions had to die. Eren did nothing wrong. Zeke fucked up.
And don't tell me Zeke's plan would've work better than Eren's. The eldians and subjects of Ymir would still be exploited but not just like the slaves of Marley, but as slaves to the entire world. What Eren does was an ultimatum given by Tybur and Marley. They tried for peace and they were constantly denied. Eren is going to create a garden of Eden within of Paradise to stop the world from eradicating the island.
In conclusion: what else choices would Eren had? To continue with Zeke's plan and watch his people die with even more humilation? A peace that wouldn't even lasted because eldians are being called the devils of the world? Or to secure its survival through the most brutal way possible? I'll leave you all to decide.
Well said, I forgot about Tybur's speech. People are focused on the past sins of the Eldians, but have forgot that present day Marley is essentially what the Eldian empire used to be. Marley currently holds the most power in the world and are desperate to hold on to it. They are afraid that the technology of the world will catch up with the power of the titans and Marley will lose its advantage. That is why they wanted the coordinate and even the oil reserves on paradise. It's not about correcting past sins, it's about greed and power, and using present day Eldians as scapegoats.
Very well said. Essentially, Marley has put on the table “It’s all of us, or the island of paradis, one has to go”, and Eren being a total savage said “alright then”. Eren wouldn’t have taken such drastic measures if they hadn’t forced his hand
When Angels are thrown out from Heaven they become Devils, you agree don't you Eren?
Yes they do they get rock hard abs bat wings and a dark trench coat and a top hat
Like a fallen angel
Eren is an angel, a fallen one!
Adrian Jones ohhhh I see what you did there. Eren “fell” out of Paradis and became the devil.
Becoming lucifer himself
@@habilyp lol
"The rest of the world might not share Marley's hatred for Eldians"!? Are you serious? You do remember Udo saying that other countries treat Eldians even worse than Marley? There are other examples, like the Mid-East soldier saying to the warrior candidates, "Don't touch me, you devils." Yes, the rest of the world VERY much hates Eldians. While I am a really big fan of your work, honest, this is something we call selective memory.
You didn't get his point. He already knows that the rest of the world hates Eldians, but is it Really hate? Or just fear? His point is that they're siding with Marley out of fear, not just hatred.
@@tkn9979 that its a bullshit excuse it sounds like that scene where a hebrew is bargaining with god not to destroy sodom like "if there is a 100 inoccent people will you spare the city" "what if its 1 innocent person" and in the end sodom gets destroyed because its a bullshit excuse
I feel like eren is like a wild animal being backed into a corner.
I remember when he screamed at hange if there was any other way from his jail cell.
I remember when mikasa walked up to eren who was crying as he watched that kid in the fez hat interact with his family.. and mikasa asked him what happened and Eren said “nothing yet..”
Eren is tortured with guilt and he feels there is no other way.
I agree with you that if Eren gets defeated or stopped, it will be through communication and i believe it will be Armin to do it.
Especially since Eren has all Eldians in the paths realm so they cant stop him physically.
I believe during all that time, Eren was still trying to find a way to end things without resorting to The Rumbling.
I am sad for Eren Yeager. He has struggle so much to change things and he couldn't .
In the end he has to make a choice.this was his choice
#TeamEren
His actions are justified. All of this could’ve been prevented if the world had just left the Eldians alone to live peacefully on Paradis Island.
True that!
i see what you mean. i guess marley just hates eldians because of their shared past, and they can’t overlook it. but due to their own hatred towards eldians, eren is going to wipe them all out. great use of irony
That's up for debate. People like Eren were always going to be born into the world, and someone would've eventually figured out what was going on with the wall and the titans. Remember that Eren isn't special, he just has special powers.
Anyone can strive for freedom, and that freedom would come at some cost.
@@assuming9735 Eren is special. That's what Annie talked about to Marlow and Grisha talked about to Shadis. It takes someone special to change the world. It takes a great amount of determination where others would have given up. Where the odds are against you, you keep going. In order to change anything sacrafices are needed some can even give up there own humanity. He's given up more then anyone else in the entire story to accomplish his goal of freedom and Ymir waited for 2000 years for someone to set her free and Eren is the only one in history who isn't a slave to anything but freedom.
If the world ? And how exactly would "the world" have pulled something like that off? You do realize this whole thing was set into motion by the people using the Titan power to dominate everything. And what everyone on the planet is just supposed to let that go ?
nonono, you should rewrite the title saying "The Sheer Chadness of Eren Yeager"
Eren's beyond chad, hes kyle
Didn't look very chad when Gabi put a bullet up his ass
Stephen Forrest ?
@@harryforrest6347 he was very chad when he survived it 😏
@@harryforrest6347 he became more chad after that ( if that makes sense)
My question still is wheter he's fighting for his freedom or people close to him. If he's doing it for Mikasa and Armin, he's most likely to sacrifice himself in the end.
Reiner he’s fighting for all the people of paradis because he knows their pain and now he has the power to change everything but the way he uses it can be influenced by armin or mikasa
not just close to him but generally for ALL of Eldians and his homeland. His ideology is absolute FREEDOM and JUSTICE! When he learned what Marley did, he saw them as the devils, and would do anything to annihilate them even if he would need to side with the enemy for awhile. This is evident as to what Eren did for Mikasa when she was kidnapped. He didn't have second thoughts on risking his life for a girl he barely knew, and this mindset carried on until what he is currently. The only thing that changed on Eren when he is now a young adult was the amount of patience he had, he sided with the enemy (Zeke) just to attain the power to annihilate all living outside Paradis Island.
All this rage built up inside him, all the deaths that Marley caused against the Eldians without retaliation and restrictions for many years will roll over the earth at once and cover it with death and turn everything to dust.
He clearly doesn't care about Armin and Mikassa anymore. Have you read chapter112?
Omar Sabir 🙄🙄🙄 if you’ve been paying attention, you know what he said was false. He cares from them deeply but pushed them away because his methods are extreme and he doesn’t want them to be part of it
@@gammafrost how is being a dick to your only friends that care for you is sign of companionship? How is this freedom. Destroying all word and leaving a select few of people against their will is not freedom. I get if you like Eren as a character but justifying what he is doing is some red flags
Well.. As far as i remember, it was Armin who told Eren that “To defeat a monster, you must be willing to throw aside your humanity and all that makes you human” and “A person who cannot sacrifice everything, cannot change anything”.. I think Armins influence on Eren has been central from the beginning..
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Too many Jeager lovers to care about that quote
Real shit
You said that the world doesn’t hate eldians as much as marleyans but udo said to gabi and the rest that eldians are treated much worse outside of marley
exactly those people are just delusional
Eren never declared war Marley did.
Sawu Land but seems like he hits back HARD
@@icyglacier2429 Gabi should've put a bullet up Eren AND Zekes asses
In the video he's talking about the other nations as well
Eren did declare war. Just on a much bigger scale.
@@harryforrest6347 hah ur too funny.
Even when he did have memories of the future, Eren was still desperate to find another way. He could have just rushed headlong into trying to start the rumbling but he didn't. He went for every opportunity to make a peaceful solution. He would have never threatened Hange the way he did if he wasn't desperate for another solution. There either just wasn't enough time or there really was no other way to resolve any of this. Everyone can agree that genocide is wrong but what else could Eren have done? I know that regardless of how conflicted he is, or how much he's suffering because of all of this that doesn't justify this either. All I know is that Eren never asked for any of this but I know that there's no one else alive in this story that's strong enough to make the decision that Eren's had to make.
Nobody has the balls to take on the burden that Eren has now.
I stan you
It’s a literal “I never asked for this” moment.
"As he ascends reaching new heights in terms of power and might to the point it reaches beyond gods in the highest heavens his humanity decends to past to the devils and the lowest depth of hell."
Raphael Agbaja I believe Eren’s actions are justified in every right because he was pushed to the point of no return by the cruel world and now he might possibly go to the lowest points and do whatever he feels is right because he has finally gained the power to change everything
@@abdinajibmah3782 Eren understood something; that violence breeds more violence. If the "Devils" simply crushed Marley to defend themselves, there would be others who would recent them for that and compare them to the Eldian Empire. But, if he destroys absolutely everything outside Paradis, then there would be no more violence directed against Paradis, if anything, it would be directed towards him.
1:38 It has been highlighted in many chapters that segregation and racism against Eldians, or specifically, Subjects of Ymir, in other countries are reaching heights surpassing Marley's policies. Marley waving around its Titan powers in its wars of conquest does not help one bit.
Jemuel Mongado yea I think he needed to do wayyyy more research on this subject
@@fancyjoey9102 He needed to do way more research in all his videos. They are mostly just garbage and i'm pretty sure the only reason people watch is to comment and share theories while waiting for new chapters. His video titles are annoying as fuck in any case.
@@chainedscythe2000 Hi, reddit.
Rughjnnyuhbgg Reddit on mobile is just a pain in the ass.
I think Eren is justified, as tough as it is to say. This isn't Eren being paranoid and deciding that the rest of the world is his enemy, Eren choosing to destroy the world is a culmination of not just his life's experience, but everyone connected to the Attack Titan in the past 2000 years. In 2000 years, nothing has gotten better for him or Ymir's offspring. Whether it was the people of Eldia or Marley, people like Eren have been abused by some powerful group for at least two millennia.
He did do this out of desperation though.
@@Phos67 Absolutely, and I feel his desperation is justified. The entire world wants him and the people living in Paradise dead. What else can he possibly do when he's seen the Eldians suffer for at least two thousand years?
@@assuming9735 I don't think omnicide is justified but in Eren's own mind he knows it isn't but he didn't have a choice, it's a tragic downfall, Eren is the fallen hero of the story that was fated to go down a dark path as much as everyone believed he would rise up against it.
Also, anyone saying Eren should've considered negotiating with the world doesn't count that he has limited time to act and the extermination of Paradis can happen much faster compared to the entire world. Then it'll all be meaningless. He would've failed because he chose to believe others instead of believing in his own strength. That same theme Isayama's been hinting from season one.
Eren did nothing wrong, but literally
Wasn’t it established many chapters ago (I think it was around chapter 100, and one of the warrior cadets who was friends with Gabi and Falco was talking about it) that a lot of nations treat Eldians much worse than Marley currently does? Just because the story is focused mostly on Marley doesn’t mean that that’s the only place where the problem lies. In fact, it was clearly and definitively stated that the problem is many times worse in other nations outside of Marley.
Yes it was. The only reason that Marley is doing this with the rest of the world is to rid the world of Eldians and also achieving technological advantage since Titan warfare is becoming obsolete.
The boy kid warrior (gabi and falco's friend) says marley treats the eldians better than other countries. we know exactly what the world thinks of eldians. Team Yeager to the end.
Right, cause Marley likes exploiting the Eldians ability to turn into giant man-eating monsters to subjugate the rest of the world. Not to mention Marley is ruled by the Tybur family who are Eldians themselves. But now that the world is progressing in science and more traditional modern day weaponry, they are being left behind due to their reliance on titans as weapons (gee, how ironic). Hence their pointing fingers at Paradisians as the Devils of the Island who threaten the worlds safety. It is all just a big power struggle for Marley and ignorance and fear from the rest of the world which was further perpetuated by Willy Tybur. Marley is no different to Eldia in their warring and desire for power over others, and now with a perfect scapegoat (Paradis and Eren Yeager), they will also get control of the resources on the island so they can continue to stay in power and have an advantage over the other nations of the world. Anyone who isn't Team Yaeger is retarded.
@@chainedscythe2000 Storywise world's end doesn't make sense. Cope.
Rughjnnyuhbgg Right, because it hasn’t been done before? I also don’t feel Eren will really kill everyone who isn’t Eldian but you never know. That isn’t the point anyhow, we were discussing why asshats who think it’s better for Eldians to roll over and die are retarded and with no sense of loyalty to characters we have been pushed to become invested in for over 100 chapters now for little apparent reason besides “oh, Eren is evil!!”. Boohoo. Life’s tough, get over it. The world can go fuck itself, Team Yaeger to the end.
@@chainedscythe2000 Cool cool. I care about the 10+ characters with unresolved character arcs literally standing around and doing nothing and those who only care about Eren are fine with them never doing anything again, which is fair, but that doesn't make it not shit writing. My other main problem is that Eren could've cooperated with his friend and allies and defend Paradis, threatening enemies, while trying to form diplomatic relations. Only if that doesn't work rumbling is justified.
Rughjnnyuhbgg Can’t say much about characters who we still need updates on such as Levi and Annie but Eren is by far the most well written character and the protagonist. It’s only fair. As for the other characters, they either still have roles to play or they are irrelevant at this point. There’s not that much left to cover and most of those characters arcs could be finished in one chapter, perhaps the final one like in Tokyo Ghoul.
As for your other problem. I can only say you need to reread the last 25-30 chapters or so. The world *literally* declared war on Paradis in chapter 100. Eren’s attack on Liberio gave them time, the beast titan (for the rumbling) and a headstart in the war (by killing a lot of important officials of other nations and whatnot - planned by Willy Tybur and Magath to further the worlds hate and fear of Eldians but what choice did Eren have? His attack bought them time and gave Paradis a way to survive). Eren’s “friends and allies” meanwhile were twiddling their thumbs in wonderland while pondering on who should eat him since he only has a few years left. They even had the gall to chide him while he was fighting for them, those so called ‘friends’ aren’t worth any more screen time if you ask me. Fuck ‘em.
On top of this, recent chapters have literally been to show that there was NO other way, no peace, no diplomacy, no chance of survival without the rumbling. The world doesn’t even want to listen to what the ‘devils’ have to say. And threats wouldn’t work either and even if did it wouldn’t be for long given advancements in weapon technology making titans severely underpowered in comparison and hence lead to eventual Eldian extermination. The 145th King Fritz has already threatened them once with the false promise of rumbling which Eren is now making true. They were warned (unbeknownst to the 145th King Fritz of course). But what happened? They sent their little warriors to test out the walls and “retrieve” the co-ordinate. So they could fuck over Paradis and the rest of the world themselves. Only the asians seem to have some sympathy - though probably with ulterior motives. So essentially, this was the last option. There was nothing else that could be done. Kill or be killed.
All this time Eren has been suffering. He knows all this. He knows what the world wants. He’s been left with no choice. Either die or fight to protect your loved ones at the cost of destroying the world. Do you think he wanted to do this? That he didn’t look for another way? That he is a heartless monster? If so then you haven’t been paying the slightest arrention to the story.
I'm with Eren all the way. He's become a great character and, dare I say, incredibly based. However I also understand Marley and the rest of the world's point of view.
I feel like people need to be reminded that the Great Titan War and the subversion of the Eldian Empire happened only some 100 years ago; people do not forget that easily and, of course, children will learn from their parents. And let's be real, I feel like the world has some pretty just cause to fear the Eldians: people who can randomly transform into giant monsters? We as the readers find that normal because it's fiction, anything goes, but put yourself in the shoes of a resident of that world. You would want nothing to do with those people, I'm sure.
And then there's the fact that a single person, the Founding Titan, can control any Eldian at will. That's extremely threatening. Sure enough, King Fritz made it so any royal heir will follow in his footsteps of non-aggression, but what assurance is there for the world that the Founding Titan couldn't be simply snatched away and somehow used for war? Case in point, what Eren's doing right now.
Regardless, it's become a situation where everyone is right and wrong at the same time, and I love it. Clearly it's become a point where Eldians and the rest of the world simply cannot co-exist, as we've been shown many times in the manga. I'm with Eren right now, but if Marley turned around the tables and somehow eliminated Paradis, I feel like I'd be fine with that, too. What I wouldn't want is a cop-out ending where the power of love somehow makes things right.
Dresrosa theres a little issue you forgot. Marley used the titans in their wars against these other countries. Everyone on that planet hates eldians. Im with eren. Peace would never be possible something would happen like it always does. Theres always going to be someone who will envy eldians for their power.
Great video as usual!
I don't particularly agree with some of the points you made but I can see where you are coming from. I personally thought the world's view on Eldians, or particularly the one's on Paradis, was made pretty clear since chapter 100. When the world leaders gathered in Marley for Tyburs speech, they did not cautiously agree, they were in tears cheering.
Again, in the latest chapter, during the international conference, the guy that was speaking was asking for support for non-Paradisian Eldians across all nations and I quote "It is only the devils of that Island that deserves our hatred, now as ever!" (This is from the official translation), this sounds to me that hatred of Eldians is the norm across all nations.
With that in mind, I truly do not think there is another option for Eren that he can support. His priority has always been to protect his loved ones and the people of Paradis. Every alternative is just a huge gamble and right now, a gamble is not what Paradisians can take if they want to survive.
Maybe that's the message Isayama is trying to give us; that people are not born good or evil, it is the circumstances that we are placed in, the options that we are given that makes people do what they do. Everything that happened, starting from Ymir, has lead Eren down this path, to put him in this situation where he has to choose between the world or his people. Yes, like I mentioned earlier that there are alternatives but there are no alternatives that does not scream a big fat 'MAYBE'. There is no ideal solution, Isayama did not commit so many panels to show that Eren had no other options for no reason. It has been shown that Eren has tried to go down the peace route, but the world nations has tied his hands. From Eren's perspective, every alternative is flawed but there is only one that is absolute and that is the path that he has taken.
It is not right or justifiable, but I think Eren knows that more than anyone, but the circumstances in every aspect of Eren's life from the start has lead him here to this point and he has to choose.
I still don't see Eren dying he's too op. Ymir is just going to fix him back up no matter how injured he gets!
You do realize the Titan power comes with a time limit right ? I mean if using that power had no setback people long before Eren would have used it prior to this point because there wouldn't have been anything to lose. Hell they'd probably do it periodically just to keep the rest of the world from advancing scientifically.
@@masterDarts4188 I think he will stop the time limit somehow, maybe after destroying the path tree and ending titans from ever being born and freeing Ymir the curse will end.
@@ZaxorVonSkyler Stopping the time limit would be a bad move writing wise. Because it makes the concept of the Titan curse seem really insignificant. Because if all it took was just obtaining the founder titan with the blood of a royal, why wouldn't they have just stopped the curse long before this point ?
@@masterDarts4188 I said also by freeing Ymir and cutting the path tree down, maybe with somekind of axe like something close to the war hammer titan uses which would tie back into mythology with Mjolnir.
@@ZaxorVonSkyler That might be a bit too silly for AOT. The manga prides itself on consequences and causalities. Taking away the curse of the Titan just removes the gravity of the situation. And it's probably unlikely Eren will survive when all this is said and done..
I don't think Eren deliberately wants to take any life, nor do I think he's inherently evil. These recent chapters have made me think about one scene. The scene when eren, reiner and falco are all together in that basement listening to Tyburs speech. Specifically that soft smile Eren gave as tybur reached the end of the speech and declared war against paradise. Aside from the planning Eren has been doing, it feels like, to him, he's always left the fate of humanity in their own hands. His goal is simply to protect his people from unjustifiable death. The moral is that no one on this earth truly deserves death, especially for something they had nothing to do with. If both sides (ymir subjects vs. Humanity) could instead come together and assimilate naturally, that would be the ideal situation. But the reality is in this story the same as it is outside in the real world. Both sides thinking the other is of malevolent nature and fighting for survival because they feel pushed into a corner and know nothing else. (Marley by newfound titan power or paradise by the rest of the world.)
Eren is the biggest slave of all in ironic hindsight. Eren's "self" was predetermined by the memories and events that his future self imposed on his father and himself. Eren is a slave to freedom. He is a slave to his destiny. He is a slave to freeing Ymir and their people. His choices were to place his hopes in the world changing or to take the world by force in order to change. The choice was made for him by a world that refused to change. He is upset and cries not because he's free. Because he is a slave to what he has to do for his PEOPLE'S freedom. Because remember, Eren is living on borrowed time with the powers of the Founder, the Warhammer, and the Attack Titan. More likely than not, he will not live through this and he knows this. That's why he has to "risk it all for a glimmer of freedom". But his people will be free, possibly with the cooperation of the subjects of Ymir and the world against Eren or otherwise, for better future.
@@marcusaurelius2013 Thank for the comment. Yes and no. Eren having the ability to send memories back into the past does give him the ability to "change fate/destiny/etc" so to speak. But this is a paradox. This freedom of future Eren is imposed on younger Eren who now longer has the choice but to walk on the path that was laid out for him. So it both freedom and slavery depending on the perspective of Young vs Older Eren. And Mikasa could never not awaken her Ackerman powers. The reason for this is because Eren survived Mikasa's family massacre by encouraging Mikasa to "fight". Had he not, this could and would have resulted in his or both of their deaths. Now, I'm not sure why Armin has become a Titan shifter, but I'm certain this somehow plays a key role into the story. Perhaps Eren intends to fight against the world to unite the world agaisnt him and deem his people as heros to the world when they all turn against him. Perhaps while he does this he is sending memories of his actions to be looped back into previous memories. Eren spends numerous lives fighting the world and dying at the hands of loved ones to constantly, slightly adjust the course of history till he reaches one where they are all free. This last bit about Armin and Eren is all speculation, of course.
Eren said in a moment of rage while attacking the female titan
I quote
“I will destroy this world.....I am free”
If anything he hasn’t changed at all, he has just gone through events to reaffirm his stance
I have a theory that at that point, he was taken over by future Eren in an effort to eat Annie but something went wrong, the missing piece of the puzzle, and that couldn’t be accomplished. You even see how he freezes up and hange asks what’s going on
Salvador Cervantes that’s true his eyes change back to normal. I support this theory
Nobody should be surprised if Eren wins since Grisha literally said it himself when he saw the future
@HaloBaller9813 then tell me how is he possibly going to lose when he is literally unstoppable right now. Be sure to be logical
@HaloBaller9813 I stopped reading after you say Ymir betrays him lol.
@HaloBaller9813 better offer by who? Nobody has the power right now other than Eren.
I take it you also forgot or you didn't notice that Ymir herself sent the memories (the dream) to Eren 2000 years in the future. With that, it was already decided it would be him.
Anyway, thanks for your effort
Eren just needs a hug :(
I really just want Eren to be happy.... the man NEEDS to find happiness. If he finds it in his own death, then so be it
Man i just want him to be happy along with Guts , they suffered more then enough .. shitt :(
Same, why can’t Eren truly be happy ever since the titans destroyed his home? I hope that Eren gets the ending he wants at the end of the manga.
Eren tried as long as he could to see another way out of this despite having his memories from the future. Once Willy Tybur confirmed the attack on Paradis, there was no other way of this ending. The world will be flattened.
Damn, Isayama really put me in a bind... This is a hard one.
Eren: you can't be racist if there is only one race
Yes in fact I would be a little disappointed if Erens plan doesn't work out. It would be so standard and easy for him to just be talked out of it or something. Very rarely is something brave enough to actually go through with an ending like this. The way direction he has took the MC has already basically elevated it to a masterpiece to me but being brave enough to do something other than good guys win would solidify it
I think Eren destroying all life on earth and leaving only "titans" alive would be one of the most perfect endings, but I don't think he actually wants that.
csbal imagine that. eren starting off as wanting to eradicate all the titans, and then using all the titans to eradicate all the humans. that would be a perfect ending
@@jacksonmaiocco9298 And with that throwing everyone's character arcs out in the trash
Rughjnnyuhbgg it’s called going full-circle , rounding everyone’s arc off perfectly
@@hrvhpkns8640 How would it round up everyone's arcs exactly? Some people were foreshadowed to become heroes you know.
Rughjnnyuhbgg Foreshadowing is not character development.
I would do the same. Its just self defense stuff ya know.... Eren gave them the chance. But unfortunately the rest of the world want them dead. So, yeah....
How do you know that? It never ceases to amaze me how people don't seem to realize this. We don't k ow what the rest of the world wants. We were only shown things from the perspectives of a few cities. There are billions of people on the planet. And clearly from the Asians who helped Mikasa it's apparent they don't all agree. Eren is going to kill all of them regardless of the matter. That doesn't make him right...
@@masterDarts4188 didn't you read the last few chapter? There was this meeting where all the leader of the countries decided they don't want peace, also did you read the attack in Marley by Eren? The audience there were cheering and supported the idea of war by tybur family
anno nimbouz I don't think those people can represent all the people outside. Even in paradise island even Armin don't agree with Eren. People think differently.
@@Leon-mi6vz ia eldian power to turn into titan is not a secret knowledge... The whole world knows that... Heck even Marley used them as weapon.... Even if some people Don't hate eldian, the majority does hate them and it's enough of a reason to flatten them all.. what do you think if Eren choose specific races to survive..? Sooner or later eldian will get the same treatment too by the survivors... Better start with clean sheet IMO.
@@annonimbouz851 Dude. the leaders of the country doesn't equate to the entire planet. In case you don't know, citizens are capable of disagreeing with their leaders. So we don't know if the entire planet feels the same way. Just that those in high positions of power do. That's not the same thing. Those people, account for less than 20 % of there entire population. However, Eren's plan is to try and kill everyone. Regardless of this fact.
The manga is just unbelievable now. I don't think any piece of fiction ever made me feel this conflicted. I understand Eren's dilemma and that he had no other choice, how much guilt he feels and all of it. Even with all the hate and ignorance of the whole world, killing all of them is just inhumane. I don't know what to feel anymore. Anyway this is something which will stay with me for a long time.
Eren doesn’t even really have a choice. He’s more like an instrument of destiny and it’s sad because he himself knows this.
Marley- declared war to wipe out paradise
Eren- *no you*
Everyone - surprised pikachu face*
Eren has become the one thing he despises most of all a titan. Honestly, I think that having all of those memories in ones head can really screw with your psyche.
Karl Fritz ended the cycle of violence (it opened a few others, yeah) between Paradis and Marley. Marley's greed started it anew. They opened Pandora's Box. Totally their fault.
Yes, just yes.
What fall? Even til now, he is motivated towards the protection of his people, and is out to destroy people who have positioned themselves to want the destruction of his people just because. Eren has merely maintained his alignment with values that is conformed to a good objective ethic.
Yes i love eren i always support him
This is an idealistic view there is no other way. Even if Marley is gone another super power will rise up and do the same thing. As long as titans exist they pose the threat of destroying humanity. It’s either 1 or the other. There is no other way.
A lot of youtubers are in denial, I know it’s tuff but y’all gotta face the pudding
#therumbling
Even if you ignore Paradis and Titans. The world is still gonna keep warring and killing. Even if Eren does destroy all but the Eldians. They will continue warring and killing amongst themselves eventually. That is the world. That is reality. Paradis is just a scapegoat for Marley at the moment in their desperate bid to remain in power. The only question is; would you rather be on the side of the people who you've more or less been with since the first chapter or abandon ship because "oh the innocents!! the horror!!!!! Eren is evil!! Fuck him!! He ism't who I thought he was!!!". Besides, Eldians are humans too. Just special.
I think you’re right about Eren and Zeke’s ideology. I’m the biggest supporter of Eren, but I find it extremely hypocritical to oppose Zeke on the basis that it is genocide and yet support Eren when he will violently destroy the entire world immediately.
Eren Kruger claim: "There is no such thing as truth in this world. That is our reality. Anyone can become a god or a devil. All it takes is for someone to claim that to be the truth." This is THE nature Of Attack ON TITAN. You either do what is RIGHT for you or wait for you ending nah... "I was BORN into this world!". You become THE Monster or you see THE Monsters obliterate you and your loved ones. This is it.
A thought provoking video as usual. I enjoyed it immensely. Thank you.
truth is how you frame it, such a great video
Correction - rest of the world do hate eldians as much as marley. As we saw with mid east soldier and chapter 123 eldian empire expanded to every nation in it's peak.
Im perfectly fine with Eren ending the entire world, I've been wanting a anime character that achieves what he has planed. I was so sad when Kira lost in Death Note, so Im really looking forward for eren to fuck shit up. If not I would be legit dissapointed
loved the video my dude. Btw, I really do feel it isn't necessarily that Eren has fallen, he just keeps getting reinforced in this idea that in order to win/survive has to let go of his humanity and fight/kill. We see this with Annie fight, where he thinks if he would of fought that levi squad would have survived. Then with Reiner and Bertoldts fight. Hell, he has always wanted to kill all titans. Now he realizes that the same can be applied to his enemies. True, morally its evil to kill. But his reasoning isn't just evil, its a conclusion that he came to based on his experience from this cruel world: kill or be killed. Appreciate the videos my dude, keep it up!
The title made me sad
Team Eren Jeager thru hell and back!!!
I had 6 ads during this video, youtube is going crazy
I'm always looking forward to your next video Dresrosa keep up the good work and thank you
Well, Eren did believed in the piece option, but when the " League of Nations " reunion about the Eldian people put all their hatred at the Eldians in Paradis, Eren understood that not only Marley, but all the nations outside the walls of Paradis would always blame the Eldians in Paradis, and the cicle of hate would continue even with the destruction of Marley. And also, its not like the Eldian Empire back in the days conquered only Marley, but basically the entire World, Marley is only the central piece of hate against the Eldians, but the entire World agrees with then: Eldians ( at least the ones in the wall ) must be exterminated. Sure there are innocent people outside the walls and through the World, but the question is: the arabian kid that stole Levi and the others at the refugee camp would be so friendly towards Eren, Mikasa, Armin and all the others, if they know that they were Eldians? The answer its almost certain no. The hate and racism towards Eldians ( mainly to the ones in Paradis ) is so old and natural in every nation conquered by the Eldian Empire, that there really are space for talking, peace and connection after so much hatred being cultivated? Eren's actions are surely exaggerated and mostly Impossible for us, the readers, to agree, but can anyone really blame him for taking such desperate mesures? Eren saw the future through he's own memories, and yet he believed that peace could be achevied in the conference, just to realize that there's no peace intent towards the Eldians in Paradis.
But guys, didn't eren and pixis talked about a legend of an enemy long ago, so terrifying that all humanity banded to defeat them... Could he be trying to do this??
Bruh...I forgot all about that interaction. Foreshadowing in the purest form
And he rejected that lol
@@sjoauga4561 what foreshadowing?
I don't want Isayama to end AoT like Code Geass. No please don't do that damn. I don't want Eren dying to "UNIFY" the world against one major threat. There can be more ways than that.
a power that is so tremendously tremendous
When all else fails...Burn it all down.
Hey, awesome video I loved it. Please keep the work up as i love your content and your ideas they are just amazing.
but.. i do have a question.
It's about tokyo ghoul as I've been binge watching your videos and rereading the manga for tokyo ghoul.
so the question is how do you truly feel about tokyo ghoul? because i think it's just me being dumb but I'm confused if you really like it or you just hate it as it has wasted potential and if you do like it, how much?
I'm really sorry for talking about tokyo ghoul in here as I feel that it might upset you but i just had to ask.
keep the work love the videos and stay safe.
Eren is probably one of the most complex characters in story telling history
I don't know about all that...
@@masterDarts4188 Nah he's up there
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi By anime or manga standards sure. But...I mean there's a lot of different types of stories out there guys...
@@masterDarts4188 I know, and sure I'm not aware of all of them, but Eren def deserves a high spot regardless
Is he though?
I believe Eren is purposefully playing the villain here. I can't see his plan working out, destroying all of humanity is not only a worse outcome than driving just one ethnicity to extinction, but it's also very damaging to the planet in the way he's doing it, not to mention very hard and time consuming to do. So, just like when he antagonized Armin and Mikasa earlier in the arc he's now antagonizing the whole world, making himself the enemy that everyone hates, he's the Devil, not the Eldians, Him.
Having declared that kind of attack there's no doubt that the people of Paradis won't be supporting him fully, Armin was already second guessing Eren's intentions right before he put every Eldian into his Discord Server and delivered the bombshell. So Eren becomes the public enemy °1 for the whole world, and the world, including Marleyans, Paradisians and the rest of the countries have to work together to stop him, you can't just beat Eren without help from the likes of Levi, Mikasa and the rest of the still living shifters. Of course there has to be some destruction for the threat to be valid and Marley's gonna have to take the L there, but he's not likely to succeed in destroying the whole world, and I don't think he intends to anyway, he probably wants to die and take every Titan power along with him, finally freeing the Eldians, both from the the hate of the world and from the curse of the titans, he did swear that he'd destroy every last titan after all.
Also 10 bucks says that Historia's gonna have a daughter, she's gonna be named Ymir and will likely be a reincarnation of the first Ymir, because of course.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS !!!!!!
I know that everyone will die at some point, but i dont want the manga to end that way. I really hope Eren doesnt die as a villain, but if he does die then hopefully as a hero, like he wanted from the beginning.
Video length almost perfect .(
I always noticed leet lengths
He's a better version of funny Valentine
Honestly, I don't agree with Eren's plan nor do I think genocide is justifiable; however, I don't think Eren is inherently evil. Despite having seen the future, he desperately grasped at straws every chance he had - he kept looking for something that could prove what he had seen was somewhat fake. Even when Willy was giving his speech, he waited until the end to see if they would really declare war on Paradis. If they hadn't, maybe the attack on Liberio wouldn't have happened. He willingly went to the meeting and realized the hatred for Walldians wasn't exclusively from Marley, as the whole world bore the same feeling and everyone was ready to jump on them and completely annihilate Eldians. It has been also implied that nations outside of Marley are growing such a immense amount of hatred towards the Eldians that could surpass Marleys'.
What we are seeing right now is the culmination of years and years of stress and desperation from Eren. It has been shown, countless of times, that he does not want to kill anyone, that he does not agree with this; however, he believes he has to do it in order for his people to finally be free. Of course not everyone in the world hates Eldians and not everyone in the world should have to be a part of a war they didn't take any part in and genocide is NEVER justifiable, but Eren has been subjected to so much shit and this is a completely desperate attempt for freedom. He's lost himself, which is completely understandable considering a 19 year old is shouldering the burden he is - at the end of the day, he just wants to keep his people safe.
And I disagree when you say Zeke's plan was far better - morally - plan. Both plans are genocidal in nature, brought by their upbringings and the things they have seen.
#TeamEren
I- Yes. Yes the rest of the world does in fact hate Paradis. That’s... that’s been... the main plot... ever since chapter 99... like... are we even reading the same manga??? Udo even said that the treatment of Eldians outside of Marley is even WORSE.
Makes sense since they constantly get screwed over by Marley dropping titans onto them.
Nobody is a hero or a villain, it is upon us to decide.
That being said let's remember that Eren is destroying the world that has been build on top of a little girl that has been denied her freedom, has been raped and abused. And then turned in a war mechanism for millennia. He does not want a world where that happens to anyone.
Which girl?
I think what he's trying to do is percectly justified. They will never stop hating Eldians; they brought it upon themselves.
good video
Do note that the view of "The world is both cruel and beautiful" is a sentiment we've only heard from Mikasa and Bertholdt. Eren likely only sees the world as a cruel place, and blind to its beautiful side, drowned in his desire for freedom and justice.
When he and Mikasa saw the foreign refugee child with his family, Mikasa and the others saw how happy the boy is with his family, while Eren could only see the suffering and injustice done to them by the world. Maybe that makes him a realist, but to have that bleak of a view on the world is very unhealthy for his psyche.
Plus, Armin is literally seeing his dreams crushed underfoot. To see the world for what it is and discover new things. Good, bad, beautiful, ugly, Armin wants to see all of it. And now, it's all being crushed by his supposed best friend.
I bet someone asked it before but... background sounds of guitar is?
Eren getting his behind kissed by the fans while Gabi gets all the hate is hilarious
The forces allied with Marley didn't show up because Reiner pushed for Marley to attack Paradis quickly, so I'm betting that this is a gamble on Eren's part to get the rest of the forces moving because a lot of the world has Eldian blood. All Eldians heard what Eren said. There's no way they're not freaking the fuck out and hauling ass to Paradis to kill him. The Colossal Titans and Eren wouldn't be able to reach the rest of the world quickly, if at all. What better way than to have them all come to him?
This may be obvious to everyone but theres two scenarios its either Eren and few other main characters that die with thousands from marley and paradise too or its everyone except Eren that die these are the two possible endings I think its the first one that ll happen.
I am going to be so sad if Eren really does die at the end 🥺
What a curse it is for the attack titan and in particular Eren to strive towards freedom yet you know exactly how everything will play out cuz of future memories.
Sometimes peace is a naive goal. Not saying what eren is doing is right. Im just saying both sides are right and wrong. Its only a matter of who’s going to win. And thats the sad truth
Really interesting point of view. I doubt it is realistic, however. One of the warrior candidates, I forget which one, states that his family is from outside Marley and explicitly states that the other nations of the world treat the Subjects of Ymir even worse than Marley. The rest of the world is not less caustic towards the Subjects, it is more so. So if only Marley was destroyed, I don't see some sort of peace being established, no, I see the conflict escalating further. A war where there can only be one outcome: genocide on one side or the other, just a matter of which would be eradicated. That is part of what makes this story so fascinating. Our modern sensibilities are screaming to give peace a chance but as we see in ch 123 and back with the attack on the Tibur family, humanity in Attack on Titan has repeatedly given its answer to the call for peaace: Absolutely not.
its quite sad when you think about it, if eren would really attack the ENTIRE that will only prove for them that paradise people really are devils...when we know they really arent
I still don't know why the king denounce war. What did he see in the founder ability.
It’s more a rise than a fall. What’s he suppose to do in this situation? Let paradise and everyone die or choose for him and his people to live?
This is the first video from dresrosa that made me think :" What the fuck is happening in the background
Nothing says Thanksgiving like Attack on Titan as a Titan eating a poor human
these videos have big brain energy
Anyone else notice that the Santa Claus titan from season 1 didn’t turn human when it ate Eren
He did not eat/drink his spinal fluid. (according to Rod Reiss, you need to do that in order to inherit the power)
To be fair, Erin turned Attack right after he was eaten
A world without any redeemer.
the manga clearly explains that eldians are treated much worse outside marley. Everywhere in the world they are treated like animals
I would set off the rumbling as well. I think Eren is completely justified as i also think he is correct in his beliefs. Im a bad guy as well.
@Dresrosa Could you maybe talk about a series called Platinum End?
... Um...
I am pretty sure it is clear the whole world hates eldians. "Everyone in the world wishes for the same thing... -To kill every last eldian." "Our enemy is indeed... the world itself." They have said the countries are constantly at war with each other, we have only seen Marley which is the superpower of the world. And the theme of fighting against the world has been made clear throughout the story like with Historia's story. Even since the beginning (which sets up the themes of the rest of the story), the world has been a cruel and dangerous place where you hunt or are preyed upon. And that's why Eren had it.
So yeah, not your best video, but it was a simple misunderstanding. I will be interested in seeing what you have to say in your future videos.
Yeah ..I am a big fan of him but this is the first video of him where I either disagree with his statements or feel that they are just wishful thinking.
Sees title 😒hehehehehe fall more like the rise of eren yeager😝😝😝😝 HE HAS THE HIGH GROUND