Botswana imports alot from SA alot about 70% or 80% so why would cry over oranges like seriously so we should be fed always without us being indepedent come on guys stop being selfish and calling this trade war , we export a small percentage of goods to SA so stop cryn over oranges thats lik 1.5% out of 70% imports from SA
You guys are also protecting your citizens interests. Seek bigger markets elsewhere, why should botswana ignore her citizens to please south african business and their principles
Where Botswana and Namibia to run out money to buy South African products, would SA benovelenty offer those countries free food? If they don't create jobs for their people through producing for themselves, are South Africans going to roll out the red carpet for the unemployed multitudes from those countries descending on South Africa? Talk of SACU, is like the relationship of a "horse and a rider."
South Africa is likely to run out of money before Botswana and Namibia .Just look at the state of your security and illegals .So think before you type .Who wants to come and live in SA in anycase .I dont !!
@@andredejager484 Am A citizen of Botswana. My point was if we ran out of money, would South Africa come out say, "We got you guys!' Read my post again.
The ANC government has expediently adopted apartheid tactics of throttling the economies and industrialization of the so-called BLS countries, including Namibia as well. SA should also look at the whole trade relations with the BLS countries. AFCTA does not condone lopsided trade relations among African countries where some countries are allowed to benefit at the expense of others. And just as important SACUA allows for the protection of BLS countries’ industries as well as for security reasons. By design, SACUA has been designed to favour apartheid SA since 1910 and it would be naive of South Africans to expect that it will be business as usual. Botswana has sufficient fertile land and, to an extent, enough water to develop its agricultural sector and that is precisely what it is doing. Next would the automotive sector; it would be utter naivety for SA to expect Botswana to perpetually import fully vehicle vehicles from SA and not share in the value chain. In my view, SA should prepare for even more import controls, not just vegetables.
With Indonesian and UK secondhand cars in Botswana car manufacturing is a non starter and besides you do not have the population to support it and lastly Botswana is mostly rural and sparsely populated so dreambon.
SA has no nearpeer economic competitors in the SADC region. Moreover, SA predominantly does mechanised commercial farming whilst on the hand their regional competitors are less developed small scale farmers. To state the obvious, SA destroying Botswana's farm industry and their government is doing its best to protect the agricultural sector (people's livelihoods/jobs) . The biggest beneficiary of SADC has been SA. South African brands and supermarkets have taken over Southern Africa. Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia and Zambia are like satellite South African provinces. The trade balance is heavily skewed in favour of South Africa.
Those who critic the guy clearly have not no idea on trade rules. Growing your local market is well encouraged, but there's shared intellectual value in this. Resources came from both countries, and most farmers growing citrus in Botswana, vast majority come from South Africa.
In this debate that has seen several media renditions in the past two weeks, it is interesting to note that government ministers (presumably better briefed) have been more subdued and thoughtful about this matter than SA media and experts! BLNS import 80-90% of their consumption from South Africa and this has been the case for more than 100 years. Has media and experts thought about where these countries would find the money to pay for South African imports in perpetuity without some form of domestic production in their own countries that can create some income for nationals of the BLNS? Intra-SADC trade is estimated at about 15-25% and this is essentially South Africa’s exports to other SADC members-not balanced trade. Intra-Africa trade is estimated at 18% and again this is essentially South Africa’s exports to the rest of Africa-not balanced trade. For more than a decade SACU and SADC have been discussing development and sharing of “regional” value chains for goods already produced in the region. There has not been progress beyond summit declarations. If it could happen it would mean South Africa sharing its industrial activity with other members. Which countries do you think have been most enthusiastic about this agenda and which countries do you think have been least enthusiastic about it? What do you do when regional solutions are not forthcoming?
I believe Botswana learnt from Covid 19 , so they prepare for the future. They themselves provide market for their local producers. There is no trade war , its Botswana citizens and and their farmers first. South Àfrica benefited long years ago by importing goods to Botswana. Yes i can relate to South African farmers , its a high time they look for a different markets. I believe is fair enough.
Namibia, Botswana, Lesotho and Eswatini would be the countries i invade and seize if i become a South African president. We share culture, customs, habits and traditions with this people... they are barely recognized as foreigners when in South Africa coz they feel to be our actual brothers and sisters. I would love to see such a country.
Why would you invade and seize my country Namibia? I thought you ppl hate foreigners? Operation Dudula is busy right now dealing with foreigners in Sowe😂😂😂😂
Please tell them.Create market within south africa.Get 20 million poor south african active in the economy and stop worrying about 2 million botswana market.
@@tshephogaogane8620do they care son about poor South Africans rather than their profits? They will find ways to recover lost profits due to these trade problems by increasing certain food prices here in SA to recover their losses as the result of these trade losses. South African businesses do not care about its poor citizens, theirs is making money out of every situation. They even employ illegal Immigrants as cheap labour in order to maximise their profits. You might see black faces like the one talking but no one cares about improving lives of ordinary South Africans, this includes the head of state by the way. They use poor South Africans to get votes & dump them once elected while speaking lies as promises. Our retailers son increase prices always when petrol increases or DECREASES. I see them doing this & ask them as to why they are increasing the prices soooooooo much & they get angry. Black south africans are still alone even in the new dispensation which started in 1994. Others think that apartheid was better than the ruling chaps
I thought we were insignificant dusty villagers?Why so much noise just because we are now able to grow certain foods by ourselves,and we don't need importing them..?
I wish all other Africa country can follow suit, black SA arrogance is getting out of hand and it going to ruins things for those white farmers from SA
@@dimphodimplesmarata9456 Its a trade war because as we speak, Botswana is going through a drought. So why ban SA citrus imports when you are not producing enough already
@Fezz016 so that we can learn to be self sufficient, and devise ways to farm despite less favorable weather conditions. SA taught us a very valuable lesson during covid, we are applying it well.
Botswana imports alot from SA alot about 70% or 80% so why would cry over oranges like seriously so we should be fed always without us being indepedent come on guys stop being selfish and calling this trade war , we export a small percentage of goods to SA so stop cryn over oranges thats lik 1.5% out of 70% imports from SA
It's all about Money !!!!
I'm also wondering why oranges?
It does not matter how much you import, it could be 100% for all we care, it's protectism, you can help your farmers to be competitive.
This people very selfish, they want export to every African country, but they not want other African country to export to their country
True, South Africa should move on and find business elsewhere.
You guys are also protecting your citizens interests. Seek bigger markets elsewhere, why should botswana ignore her citizens to please south african business and their principles
South Africa is rich because of the monopolized production and importation market set-up by the White colonial biaretoral agreements.
Leave Botswana and Namibia alone what South Africa has done to them.we must be balanced what rsa has done to sister country
Where Botswana and Namibia to run out money to buy South African products, would SA benovelenty offer those countries free food? If they don't create jobs for their people through producing for themselves, are South Africans going to roll out the red carpet for the unemployed multitudes from those countries descending on South Africa?
Talk of SACU, is like the relationship of a "horse and a rider."
Spoken like an illeterate.
South Africa is likely to run out of money before Botswana and Namibia .Just look at the state of your security and illegals .So think before you type .Who wants to come and live in SA in anycase .I dont !!
@@andredejager484 Am A citizen of Botswana. My point was if we ran out of money, would South Africa come out say, "We got you guys!' Read my post again.
@@josephshonga178 no they wont .But thats never going to happen and you know that !!
@@andredejager484 It was a rhetorical question.
The ANC government has expediently adopted apartheid tactics of throttling the economies and industrialization of the so-called BLS countries, including Namibia as well. SA should also look at the whole trade relations with the BLS countries. AFCTA does not condone lopsided trade relations among African countries where some countries are allowed to benefit at the expense of others. And just as important SACUA allows for the protection of BLS countries’ industries as well as for security reasons. By design, SACUA has been designed to favour apartheid SA since 1910 and it would be naive of South Africans to expect that it will be business as usual. Botswana has sufficient fertile land and, to an extent, enough water to develop its agricultural sector and that is precisely what it is doing. Next would the automotive sector; it would be utter naivety for SA to expect Botswana to perpetually import fully vehicle vehicles from SA and not share in the value chain. In my view, SA should prepare for even more import controls, not just vegetables.
With Indonesian and UK secondhand cars in Botswana car manufacturing is a non starter and besides you do not have the population to support it and lastly Botswana is mostly rural and sparsely populated so dreambon.
SA border closed for many years for produce from Botswana.
The man with glasses is delusional. He wants Botswana to stay dependent.
SA has no nearpeer economic competitors in the SADC region. Moreover, SA predominantly does mechanised commercial farming whilst on the hand their regional competitors are less developed small scale farmers. To state the obvious, SA destroying Botswana's farm industry and their government is doing its best to protect the agricultural sector (people's livelihoods/jobs) . The biggest beneficiary of SADC has been SA. South African brands and supermarkets have taken over Southern Africa. Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia and Zambia are like satellite South African provinces. The trade balance is heavily skewed in favour of South Africa.
Principle over National food security? Really!? Who is this guy?
Sell your products on the local market...
More competition will force prices down!!!!
🇳🇬 Nigeria supports the ban, it’s long over due😅😂
Those who critic the guy clearly have not no idea on trade rules. Growing your local market is well encouraged, but there's shared intellectual value in this. Resources came from both countries, and most farmers growing citrus in Botswana, vast majority come from South Africa.
In this debate that has seen several media renditions in the past two weeks, it is interesting to note that government ministers (presumably better briefed) have been more subdued and thoughtful about this matter than SA media and experts! BLNS import 80-90% of their consumption from South Africa and this has been the case for more than 100 years. Has media and experts thought about where these countries would find the money to pay for South African imports in perpetuity without some form of domestic production in their own countries that can create some income for nationals of the BLNS? Intra-SADC trade is estimated at about 15-25% and this is essentially South Africa’s exports to other SADC members-not balanced trade. Intra-Africa trade is estimated at 18% and again this is essentially South Africa’s exports to the rest of Africa-not balanced trade. For more than a decade SACU and SADC have been discussing development and sharing of “regional” value chains for goods already produced in the region. There has not been progress beyond summit declarations. If it could happen it would mean South Africa sharing its industrial activity with other members. Which countries do you think have been most enthusiastic about this agenda and which countries do you think have been least enthusiastic about it? What do you do when regional solutions are not forthcoming?
I believe Botswana learnt from Covid 19 , so they prepare for the future. They themselves provide market for their local producers. There is no trade war , its Botswana citizens and and their farmers first.
South Àfrica benefited long years ago by importing goods to Botswana. Yes i can relate to South African farmers , its a high time they look for a different markets.
I believe is fair enough.
Botswana is protecting locals as well as foreign investors (which include many South African farmers).
The population of Botswana and Namibia combined is that of Tembisa,the consumption is low,so why complaining?am I missing something😂
Greed 😢
It all started with Abahambe.....
Namibia, Botswana, Lesotho and Eswatini would be the countries i invade and seize if i become a South African president.
We share culture, customs, habits and traditions with this people... they are barely recognized as foreigners when in South Africa coz they feel to be our actual brothers and sisters.
I would love to see such a country.
That would be the beginning of the end of South Africa
ok?
Why would you invade and seize my country Namibia? I thought you ppl hate foreigners? Operation Dudula is busy right now dealing with foreigners in Sowe😂😂😂😂
@@kabzaify NO, it will work and prosper provided we make sure Zimbabwe and Mozambique do not join this union🤣we cant inherit other peoples problems!
@@koketsomolapo3964 Invading thats what I'm against, not the whole idea
Where is Matric Domkop Agriculture Expert John Steenhuisen on this ?????
Maybe in bed with your mother making a baby that will run around on the cape flats
Let's share land and we will talk to the brothers next door 😂😂
simple at that haha
Just the oranges...😂😂😂
America is in short supply of oranges, lets expand our portfolio. Lets go to them
We don't need Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe or any African country for trade 😂.
Please tell them.Create market within south africa.Get 20 million poor south african active in the economy and stop worrying about 2 million botswana market.
@@tshephogaogane8620ironically intriguing,you are a want a wit
@@tshephogaogane8620do they care son about poor South Africans rather than their profits? They will find ways to recover lost profits due to these trade problems by increasing certain food prices here in SA to recover their losses as the result of these trade losses. South African businesses do not care about its poor citizens, theirs is making money out of every situation. They even employ illegal Immigrants as cheap labour in order to maximise their profits. You might see black faces like the one talking but no one cares about improving lives of ordinary South Africans, this includes the head of state by the way. They use poor South Africans to get votes & dump them once elected while speaking lies as promises. Our retailers son increase prices always when petrol increases or DECREASES. I see them doing this & ask them as to why they are increasing the prices soooooooo much & they get angry. Black south africans are still alone even in the new dispensation which started in 1994. Others think that apartheid was better than the ruling chaps
Seems like S .Africans are not nice people,the apartheid has system destroyed their African humanity
I thought we were insignificant dusty villagers?Why so much noise just because we are now able to grow certain foods by ourselves,and we don't need importing them..?
0:26 “Paul, are we witnessing a Trade War taking place in Southern African Customs Union?” Loose use of vocabulary there.
Let them stop using Rand..let's see who will win
No one uses rand. Or you mean south Africas?
Botswana uses Botswana pula and Namibia uses Namibian dollars, you black SA arrogance is getting out of hand
They have a currency of their own. where do they use Rands, to buy from their local farmers? 🤷🏻♂️
whats the Rand?
@@afropoet we don't use your weak currency. We have our strong pula currency
Leave them. More vitamin C for us
I wish all other Africa country can follow suit, black SA arrogance is getting out of hand and it going to ruins things for those white farmers from SA
kudos to Botswana grow your own food create jobs for BaTswana , enough name calling " kwere kwere , bugs "
🎤
This a trade war folkes
Why? I mean it wasn't a trade war when South Africa did it to us, why must it be a trade war?
@@dimphodimplesmarata9456 Its a trade war because as we speak, Botswana is going through a drought. So why ban SA citrus imports when you are not producing enough already
@Fezz016 so that we can learn to be self sufficient, and devise ways to farm despite less favorable weather conditions. SA taught us a very valuable lesson during covid, we are applying it well.