Sundown Audio u15 Vs Skar Audio VXF 15 Comparison / Demo 4 15s on Taramps 8k No Wall Build Flexing
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2021
- This is a simple comparison between the Sundown Audio U series & Skar Audio VXF subwoofer. Also includes a demo of my 4 Skar Vxf 15s on a Taramps Md8000.1 2ohm only clamping 4000 watts super subwoofer flex No wall build!
Which Subwoofer do you like best???
Subwoofers FLEXIN Basshead California Bassin Suburban No wall SMD JACOBVIRAL JACOBVIRAL2 EXO LIFEOFPRICE Sundown Audio Unofficial U series X series Z series U10 U12 U15 XV3'S XV2 XV1 VXF ZVX SA series
Both look like killer subwoofers though! 💯🔊💪🏼
New to the channel. Good content bruh. Respect.
I had 2 vxf 15's on a skar 4500 and they loved it
You doing your thang, I got a evl 12 but now I want to step up to the VXF. Man you got to be from out here in the BayArea with your lingo
Exactly what I was thinking lol 😂
Some of these comments are hilarious. People saying the U's can't get low 🤣. Y'all haven't seen any low tuned U set ups huh? They get low as hell. They just have a smaller stroke. Very high sensitivity @ 92db, low moving mass, very high usable motor force, very high powered, high heat coils, great ventilation, great spider pack. And the way the cone is shaped, it actually moves more air then the vxf. (Sundown subs are engineered that way).
I have 4 JSS 600 series 15s 4in coils 5krms subs) in a flat wall on 30k. I can graph all my shit on the computer, and I can tell you for a blatant fact, these little baby U's are not only louder, but they have more vent air velocity. That's in the same enclosure. Fs is about the same on the two diff subs too. I'm about to switch My current subs out for the U's since I am a competitor.
I'm not saying the U is a better sub than the subs I'm using now, they both have their purpose. But as far as performance in basically all areas, the U out performs most other subs for a fraction of the price.
A bunch of builds ago, I ran two VXF12s in a ported box tuned to 32, on 3400rms, in a big SUV behind the cpillar. I did a 152+ @32hz. Those are 12s too. So vxfs are great too. They can do SPL just fine, they can do Lows just fine, They can do highs just fine, and they can take more than double their RMS on music, and a lot more than that on SPL bursts. Later on I put two 8Ks, one per VXF12, and they took it just fine as well.
So having owned all of these subs we're talking about, the VXF is one of the best subs on the market for its price, for any purpose. They are not as cheap and no r&D as people think.
Just for reference for people that are saying that, keep in mind the TI basket is literally the best engineered basket of all time, that's why so many subwoofer companies use it.
Word of advice if you are using a VXF. If you want to get better parts, get a better coil and spider pack for your application, and they will be just as good or better than most other 1000$ subs.
A lot of “expensive” thousand dollar subs sell through local deals. And companies have to keep their prices online marked up so it won’t undercut the dealers to badly. I can get DD audio,Sundown Audio and DC Audio for cheap when buying directly from dealer’s sources. As a behind the scenes guy, dealers love it when people don’t know the difference between Volume sales vs Unit sales vs dealer sales.
Heard some VXF recently and they def impressed me … 4 15s on a 6k in a 6th order series BP in a Tahoe C pillar.. the VXF is a good sub for the money imo!
I totally agree with you 👍 💯
Right now you can get the u for 308. The Skar is 288. I was wondering which plays the 25hz better?
Well I take that comment back.. 😂 I got a Skar VXf 15" D2.. and dude it's a monster of a sub.. iv used sundown for a long time mainly SAv3 8"s Xv3 8"s Zv4 12"s Zv5 12"s ect. And alot of ppl gonna say sundown is better... Well the Vxf 15" is a better musical woofer over the sundown... Done tested this I picked up a U 15D2 from the yard sale.. and traded two SAv3 8"s for the Vxf.. and the Vxf 15" beat it's ass on music... The U can't float shit in my windows like I can with the Vxf.. and dude the Vxf 15" can take more than 5k... I got mine now on a Sundown SFB5000.1D and it take it no issues.. the 1500 RMS and 3,000 max is a lie.. the Vxf is very under rated... 800 RMS on free air the sub barely moves .. u series on 800 RMS free air it's moving more.... The Vxf has more Xmech than the U by a good amount.. the U series is decent but it's a SPL leaning woofer.. it's a peaky mofo.. the Vxf is a down low monster... And it kills the lows.. I got it in a 5.25 cube box with a internal 3.98 cube tuned at 30hz.. and it's a absolute killer... The Vxf true RMS is 2000 to 2500rms.. like I said I got it on a sundown SFB5000.1D.... and it's absolutely taking it no issues no smells it gets warm but not hot.. the U gets hotter.. obviously because the TI frame is open at the coils... It's got better cooling.. and ppl gonna say Sundown U is better when I know it's actually not... The VXF series isn't Skars design it's got Skars dustcap and Skars sticker on the motor.. but FI audio uses this Design for the BTL BL Sp4 resilient sounds uses it. Black brick BB2 BB3... ECT ect.. the U series is a good sub but the Vxf 15 gets ridiculously low and for ppl all sundown saying sundown u 15 is better on music over the Vxf 15 obviously has never owned the Vxf 15... Or any brand version of it...
Man im so torn i got a vxf15 and wanted to try a sundown U but after seeing this im not so sure its worth the money. Do you think i should try the sundown X instead?
@@ninja-vanish8086 the X would be the best one honestly. The Vxf is close close close to it. The Zvx isn't. The Zvx is just loud the Vxf is musical and has a damn good bottom end. The X is very good for bottom end and should play lower because it's got a lil more room to travel. But honestly the Vxf sounds absolutely identical to the Xv1 15" I had. Except the Vxf gets louder. The Xv2 on the other hand would be slightly louder not by much though sound quality a lil better to.. but thing is the x cost twice the price of the Vxf.. you could get two Vxfs for the price of the X
@Kyle i already got it in a custim box 3.5 33hz but only on 2k so i think you're right ill double my power and see what happens.
LOL! Same I was skeptical of skar but switched to some VXF 15's and they are monsters, I have them on a DD 6k at .5 ohms but im looking to switch to an 8k
@@rashad5286 I was skeptical about Skar also until I ran them lol. It changed my mind quick! Can’t always listen to the internet
My u series shits all over my old vxfs same power
The sundown cone volume is way deeper because of its design and will displace more air per stroke thus making it a much louder subwoofer. Thanks for the side by side. -Cheers
A damn very smart analogy that makes the most sense out of every comparison comment I've ever read!👍 I hate seeing the dickriding comments that people make just because it's the brand they have in their rides😕 Your analysis is spot-on👍👍👍👍
Except youre forgetting to account for xmax in displacement lol. Us arent high xmax subs lol. Still gonna be louder with Us though, especially in a burp setup.
@@dmncanter Xmax is irrelevant in a ported enclosure because at tuning the cone moves the least.
@@hippo-potamus it absolutely is relevant lol. In what world would it not be? 🤣. 2mm xmax sub vs 40mm xmax sub, youll notice a difference. Displacement is fact.
@@dmncanter In a sealed application or outside of port tuning, yes. Otherwise its just one of many factors to consider. Most people run ported enclosures and tune the box to the music they listen to most ie low 30s. And at around that tuning frequency the subwoofer cone move the least making the xmax not a significant factor.
It all depends on magnet type magnet quality stiffness of the spider type of voice coil , excursion both are good subwoofers more power doesn’t necessarily mean louder
they both are good sub, can’t really go wrong with either. It all about preferences and budget.
You right about that brotha! 💯💪🏼🔊🌪
i would rather save another couple hundreds and grab sundown though 😂. Currently run x8v3, them 8s more than enough to make my car rumble and still have some space for groceries
U series is a spl sub. The vxf is a musical sub.
Right now these subs are only about twenty or thirty dollars apart in price. Which one will play the 25 to 35 Hertz harder/ better?
like this video. keep it up
Thanks for the support! I appreciate you 🙏🏼🔊💪🏼
I personally have 4 vxf 15 on a rp4500 per 15. And it does fine.
all depends on the build quality of the sub some subs have bigger coils to have more of a rms raiting
Just cause a magnet is big doesn’t mean it’s powerful or has a lot of motor force that’s where the BL comes in.. BL is a measure of how strong the magnetic field w/ in the voice coil gap multiplied by the length of the voice coil n the magnetic field.
I was waiting to see a comment that mention this exact thing..the size of the woofer has nothing to do with anything..
It all in the peramerts of the woffer..
That sundown u series sub is a monster..the work jacob put into it is crazy..idk if you seen derrek from sundown blazer when he had the 4 u 18s in it after he first bit it.now he running 2 compact neo 18s doing damage...but the numbers and power handling was insane..now the skar sub is no slouch..skar is a good brand..I don't hate on any brand..im a old bass head and ass long as it bangs and put a smile on your face that all that matters.
@@bass321head them 2 compact neos was louder than the 4 u18s
Check it out bro: 1.) Magnet size is no indication of motor force
2.) USA voice coils vs Import coil
3.) Ratings mean shit. Don't get caught up in all the numbers
4.) Both of these subs are fantastic performers.
I'm upgrading and from around 8 or 10 subs I've had my eye on, it's now down to these 2. I'm 99% sure I'm going with the U15 or U18. I've had Sundown SA12'S and currently have Skar subs in my car and really like both, but since I'm switching to a single woofer, it's gotta be a good one.
The sundown coil is more than superior to the vxf. Thats where the power handling comes in. That and its a R&D motor vs off the shelf. Even being slightly smaller, id say with the coil Us have, they still have more motor force.
I just got hip to yo channel bra, I got 2 VXF 15s I had on 2 taramps bass 3ks but I just upgraded to a MD8k💪🏽 gone be here this week. Stock Alt XS D6500, big 3
Hell yeah bro! Your shit boutta be pounding 💯💪🏼🔊
Master will did it no problem 👌
And put it this way... I don't hate Skar.. I use Skar as well.. but I no longer use Skar Subs I use only Sundown.. and I was running a DDX 15" by skar which is a incredibly loud Sub btw. But..... I ran across a SAv3 8"... I traded that DDX 15" for that 8".... And guess what....?? That 8" sounded much cleaner to me and now I got 2 SAv3 8" running and they absolutely kill that DDX 15". And I also had the Vfx 15"... And still those SAv3 8"s are louder.. sundown makes the best subs hands down..
An 8" is not louder than a 15 lol. No matter what.
I was thinking about switching to sundown U15 from the vxf 15......them vxf slapping lol so I can only imagine wat those sundown can do...how are the subs since you installed them.salute
It really comes down to this: if you want spl at higher frequencies, buy the U series. If you want a great musical sub that sounds good AND gets super low, buy the vxf 15. Imo the vxf is better but the U is definitely better for spl.
@@bailey2517this the explanation I needed. I don’t really care for lows. I know that might sound weird but I like slapping
What wire do you run to them 10 or 12 gauge?
What size fuse u hav on those
Nice subs bro
Thanks brotha I appreciate it
I need to know the song you were playing… thang was slappin
Those vxf take some power my bro running 16k on 4 12s. Clean power will do wonders
Yea the VXF are some beasts in there own way bro! I loved em when I had em 💯
The Skar voice coil is cheaper and the spider pack is cheaper(fewer spiders in the pack, way less stiff.) Also, the tensile leads do matter. It makes the Sundown more efficent.
It’s not that scar has less spiders they have just one really really stuff spider that is way to stiff for there cheep coils that say there coils are high heat but it’s bull its a copper voice coil from China as sundown they have just better built parts like the coils are black coated aluminum and the spiders are built for the coil to perform their best the reason why scar is so much Cheaper then sundown is because they are made really damn cheap
I wouldn’t suggest scar audio for anyone trying to get loud it’s a waste of money they wont be able to handle spl power like sundown can
@@Certified_bass_head. I did a 152 @32hz on 2 skar vxfs on 3800rms clamped in a big SUV no wall behind the c pillar. That was many builds ago. Never blew em either. I mean you can get loud on anything if built right.
@@Certified_bass_head. also the vxfs have a double spider pack, not 1
Yes you are right the tinsel leads are bad because they break and sounds bad
Wich one do you like better??
I personally think that below spider parts of the basket is where skar messed up. They left it WAYYY too open. They have a smaller air opening on the sundown because the smaller opening makes the air pressure higher when being pushed out of it making or literally the velocity of the air moving Is faster so it actually cools more efficiently I’ve heard from those smaller air ports below then spider. Probably the biggest difference is that there because the coil and motor cool more efficiently on the sundown. Skar wasn’t trying to go deep into the science they just wanted a general copy like the X.
Please translate: 2:40 La sundown puede tolerar mas potencia por las ventilas (o agujeros) que tiene justo sobre el magneto y la Skar no puede tolerar mas por que no tiene ese sitema de ventilacion justo al lado de la bobina. (the ring)
Exxtra: maybe in the sundown they have SUPER big amps with CLEAN SIGNALS and in the skar (maybe) they have tiny amps operating over his limits.
Why does the sundown take more power than the skar? Simply put, the skar is more efficient than the sundown. Once you understand how to read the TS parameters it's not that hard to understand.
Not more efficient… The sundown just have a better coil and the motor force is more than the vxf🫵🏽 just because it takes power doesn’t mean it’s inefficient
What’s sub down best 12 inch sub and are they better than the skar audio 12s
The Sundown Audio u15s are loud if your into winning at competitions but if you want lows, the skars kill the lows better than The Sundown Audio u.
@@bassheadcalifornia8709 so is that sundown u 15 like the 2008 Memphis mojo 15 1500rms
Hittin' Hittin' Hittin'. My ride out raps.
That song in the intro is beating. What's the name of it bro
It's called Hittin by Moneybagg Yo I believe
Sundown usually underrates their subs.
Buy what you can afford and what you like that’s it.. no matter what sub it is! You like sundown well buy them you like skar buy those. Can’t go wrong with neither in my opinion
I agree with you bro 💯 percent
Sundown prolly has heavier duty parts in there's where Skar doesn't to keep the cost down.
My vxf has taken 5k for two years and still kicking o don't know what your talking about. Clean power good box and thats all. 4.25 cu box tuned to 32hz and two xs batteries with a 370 alternator and two runs of 0ga
Will sundown u12 recone work on a vxf 12
No I don't think so bud
Sweet ass comparison bro👍 💡The differance is Skar Audios foam surround is much wider, thus allowing far more excursion than Sundowns, But that's a hindrance because it allow the cones to move too far up and down overworking the motor. The Sundowns foam surrounds are smaller and tighter so it restricts the movement of the cones keeping them within the rated power allowance sector👍
A good comparison is like a car motors RPM, your typical car engine's RPM maxes out at 6000 RPM's so everything above that is considered red-lining it so that's why they have RPM governors to keep them from going over that 6k RPM so they don't blow, Sundowns foam surrounds act's as that governor but Skars surrounds just isn't tight enough to govern that overwhelming excursion so it just openly goes into that danger zone until it blows😕 The best controlling foam surrounds I've ever experienced are those of the Orion HCCA's/Resilient Sounds Team series/Kicker L7's and Sundowns, Kickers have damn great cone control but they can't handle any power over 2000 watts rms period. I know for sure that there's other brands out there with exceptional cone control but i can't speak on them because i haven't experimented with them. Again great comparison👍
Isn't excursion good though, since it cools off the coil more? If the vxf has more Excursion at similar power, wouldn't it cool down faster than the U-15?
@@bailey2517 You do have a valid point👍 But too much isn't always good, because remember there's copper or aluminium wire's that are coiled within cones and they can only handle so much pushing and pulling, and they will definitely snap. Everything that looks good on the outside doesn't mean it has guts on the inside that can handle what the outside appearances says it can😂 Like a Pontiac Fiaro dressed up with a Lamborghini body kit, it looks fast but if you push it too hard, it's going to let you know that it doesn't have the guts to give you what you're trying to get from it👍
@@catherineharris4746 aah I see now. Thanks for the explanation! 💪
Sundown has better coils skar was founded by a sundown worker that wanted to make money by making similar subs for cheaper by making them cheaper you don’t get as good of quality sundown charges there magnets I don’t get how that works but there strong force magnets smaller doesn’t really mean worse but higher can be better if all the other parts like the coil and cone can handle the force to max out the magnet
I found out that the Sundown U15s are good subwoofers for being loud on the meter but the lows? Sorry to say but the Sundowns U can't get down & low but I also expected that because they are only made for SPL 💯💪🏼🔊 Thanks for the comment
@@bassheadcalifornia8709 depending on the box tuning you can get a bit lower I threw some skar sdr 12’s in the same box I used for my re audio sc 12’s rated 450 rms and that thing was tuned to about 35 and would hit nice n low and the sdr’s are a bit bigger but couldn’t hit as hard unless I threw 3-4K on em the x series hits the lows real nice the xv3’s I’ve got are like a brother to the zv5 in size an everything
@@therandomrobert1842 my box i have the Sundown U15s in is tuned to 32hz & still can't get low. But the Sundown Xs can for sure get low im only speaking about the U series
@@bassheadcalifornia8709 true true
I don't know but my vxf 12 d2 slams, im happy
Real shit 💯🔊💪🏼
Anyome know the song he’s using for the demo at the beginning ??
Money mu hittin remix.
Sundown is a way better designed and built subwoofer all the way around. That skar is cookie cutter (ti basket) in every way possible. Sundown will cost more but the quality of product is always going to be better
Get off mbe 🥜 🤣
You don't think the basket Sundown is using is not a standard cookie cutter?! Man please!!
@@jaz97 facts lol ppl are brain washed by sundown🤷🏾♂️
Sundown got where it is by copying other designs... nothing unique about sundown, nothing efficient about sundown
@@jaz97 it's not
They way I look at skar vs sundown.
Sundown is skars big bro. Skar is trying to be similar but on a budget. If U want better buy sundown. If u wanna save some money and still get loud get Skar.
Which one is louder
I have to say the Sundowns are louder but the Skars get way lower than the Sundowns
Yeah the U is better sound quality but the x series would kill the lows vs that Skar.
@@bassheadcalifornia8709 were they in the same box enclosure
@@rz9708 my x18 v3 flexes 15hz no problem I’ve got a video on my channel i had a v2 that would do the same but the xv3 is litterally the lil brother of the zv5
i put 5k on a U12 its a monster they dont get very low tho
How low ?
@@mikey1011 they play lows they just seen to peak high they hit really hard but dont have much excursion.
@@rexnhogz its all in the box and tuning
@@ChubbsAnthony81 It has a high peak in response tho. If you tune a U series too low its better to just get a different sub. It would be best in a 4th order ,sealed or a higher tuned ported box.
@@rexnhogz i see…
I really wanted to test out some u series,but i went x instead…..
Tuned to 31hz but lacking airspace….bassahaulic prefab…got it inverted
the u is a high frequency spl sub...the skar is more of a daily slappin sub.
Magnets only create field, bigger magnet means better POTENTIAL energy in the motor. Reason sundown can take more power is in the coils bro, sundown got them high heat black coils and bigger spider so it move more it cool more it hold the heat better it could take more power, the skar got a lighter duty coil and a smaller spider
I still think the skar is the better sub
🤣the sundown U is #1 in competitions over dd audio.. If your pockets ain’t right to get one just say that!
@@LifewithDaneiro I own 2 sets of DD subs now pocket watch somebody else 🤣
@@largepizza3341 I’m a dealer for the brand🤣 no need to pocket watch when I have “inventory” by the hundreds of what you got🤡
@@largepizza3341 Been there done that🙃!! 2 sets that’s it? 😂
It’s the different type of coil
whats the song bru that shi slammin😭
Hittin by Moneybag Yo
I appreciate you brotha 💯💪🏼🔊
It’s because skar audio is cheaply made with cheap Chinese parts
Exactly 💯
My Soundqubed HDX3s can't even handle 4500 rms.
Skar audio go hard sound quality pretty good
It’s call quality . I’m sure that sundown will only take 2k maxx
It's crazy the vxf can probly take 8000 i know the zvx can
The reason why scar audio spiders are so stiff is because they’re cheaply made sundown audio they’ve been building subwoofers since the 80s scar audio isn’t that old it’s a new company they’re still working on getting their stuff together but if you’re trying to get loud I would not suggest scar audio I would suggest sending all you 100%
If you settle for 3.4 ohms and not 4 then that's on you. that's way off to my specs no excuses. I can't stand sundown
if you got a good amplifier that wont go in protect for having that low resistance, it means you get more power than with 4 ohms
@@jeffreyvanderpoel I was just pointing out poor quality control a 4 ohm coil should b 4 ohms not 4.3 or 3.8 I make coils for a living and this would not leave my shop.
Yeah 5k on the sundown clipping nothing but distortion
😂
That’s sundowns lower end vs skars higher end.
5 - 6k...lol sundown unofficial put 24k to 2 U 18s
Can't do that daily/consistently though
The Sundown U will absolutely murder that Vfx... No ifs ands or buts.... It's quality it's better built the sundown U is the new Sundown Zv3..... The U doesn't max nor do they state it's max is 1500 watts.. that's it's RMS is 1500 but every sub in Sundowns line up is under rated as a joke.. the SA V1 was 750 watts it's true RMS was and is something like 1200 RMS all day. The U series Is a 1500 RMS but truthfully 2k atleast... That U will destroy that Vfx.. lol.. there isn't even a comparison between the Two the U is a better built better quality all around.. it's coils are made in the USA the Vfx uses china coils.... Big diff...
It doesn’t matter where its made. China makes tons if stuff the sundown parts are imported from china. Its the same shit. A sub is hard to fuck up production because its litterally 2 electromagnets going against eachother. The coils are made with the same copper and the same glue theres no difference. Keep thinking that theres something dramatic about it being made in america
The VXF is actually a better sub. It's VERY musical, while still getting surprisingly loud. It SMASHES lows as well. It's rated 1500wrms but it's actually closer to 2200wrms. It also has more excursion and don't forget (imo) it looks way more badass 😎. Oh, and it's like twice as cheap lololol. I know Skar has some pretty mid level subs that aren't anything special, BUT the vxf series is the exception. The 2 vxf subs are actually surprisingly good and underpriced.
It's a spl sub, sounds like shit on music and won't get very low. The vxf is a totally opposite sub, it's get low and sound great doing so on any music, i havent played a track that hasnt sounded awesome wirh the vxf. The zvx is more comparable to the u series and those are stupid loud with adequate power. Just as yoy say sundown power rating are low so is most skar subs, that i can personally attest to. My vxf is on a smart5k and loves it, its tuned around 2000wrms now but it was on 2500wrms is a smaller enclosure and inverted. Although they are on two ends of the spectrum to dismiss and throw mud on the vxf because of mfg is just, well ignorant. Plus you can buy two vxf for the price of a single u. For the ppl trying to do the most with less it's a no brainer.
@@bryanroupe8646 well said! It really just comes down to what you plan to use it for. If you want big SPL numbers in the 35-60hz range, buy the U series. If you want musicality and impressive lows, buy the vxf. If you want a good middle ground, well... The vxf does get hella loud too lol.
Cause skar audio sucks it's all looks size don't matter when it's made correctly