Was Queen Charlotte Black? Bridgerton vs. history
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Who counts as "Black"? A historian made a bold claim that he believed Queen Charlotte was part Black. The historian's belief that Queen Charlotte, a queen of England, was part Black is examined in detail, citing a painting as evidence. The intriguing question of who is considered "Black" comes up again and again...have you seen Bridgerton? Was Queen Charlotte, who lived in the 18th century, truly of African descent?
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My understanding is she was of Portuguese descent. That's if my memory serves me correctly.
Most likely, that is why we are still having this conversation about Queen Charlotte. When there is no mystery around the subject, there’s no conversation 🥸
Her royal doctor stated that she had a mulatto face /half black.
Thanks for asking! My father was a historian. My brother is an anthropologist. I am neither, but I’ve been very into researching this. Queen Charlotte was a European woman. She was a German princess who was, according to multiple historians (including Mario de Valdes y Cocom), directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a branch of the Portuguese royal house that definitely had African blood since the occupation of Portugal by black and Arabic North Africans for over 400 years from 700AD and beyond 1100 AD. 400 years of African rule, had placed African blood firmly into the Portuguese, royal family aristocrats and general population.
The same had occurred in Spain and southern Italy.
To many Americans (as I’m sure you are aware) a “black“ person is anyone with one drop of African blood. This type of language can make it confusing internationally.
I believe things are slowly changing in the US. As a woman of mixed heritage myself, it can be confusing when in the US, being expected to deny the majority of your DNA. Queen Charlotte was a European woman with some African ancestry. As of late, she has often been exaggerated on television, by being represented by a black or biracial woman, but she was said to have the face of a “true mulatto“ according to her German physician Baron Stockmar. And if you look at any of the paintings of her by Allan Ramsay, she looks very much like a woman of mixed ethnicity. One could almost guess about 20 to 25% black. But that last bit is only my opinion.
Sources:
Frontline Queen Charlotte, article from 1997 (updated March 11, 2021)
Europeana article “Mixed-Race Royals” Published October 21, 2022 by Johanna Fisher (Professor of English and Women Studies, Co-director of Women and Gender Studies).
J. A. Rogers's 1940 book “Sex and Race: Volume I”.
@@a.thomas501 you are correct. She was a German princess of Portuguese descent from the line Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a branch of the Portuguese royal house that definitely had African blood since the occupation of Portugal by black and Arabic North Africans for over 400 years from 700 AD and beyond 1100 AD. So she had some African blood, and it apparently seemed apparent in her features.
I wrote a paper for my history class in 1982 on Sally Hemmings having children with Thomas Jefferson. I received a D on the paper because the visiting historian Eric Foner said there was not credible evidence of this fact. In the paper, I refenced the significant oral history passed down by Sally Hemmings children as well as written commentary of his contemporaries. To be clear, we don't think Queen Charlotte is part black because of this historian. We believe she was part black because the painting reputed to be her is clearly a painting of a woman of African descent. We know today that I was right and Eric Foner was wrong because he refused to see the truth of the evidence. At present, I'm gong to trust my eyes, not what a historian believes.
Also, the newspapers of the time , commented on Queen Charlotte's appearance and they also noticed that she looked a bit like a mulatto and said so at the time.
@@clementmckenzie7041 when she was in extreme old age.
@@lindyashford7744 girl do you need to win this badly? Does anyone find your comment comical? I sure do. So extreme old age makes white women look like mulattos. OK note to self . Go ahead claim Charlotte. As far as I’m concerned, she never identified as black, and the royal family is clearly married to whiteness. There are so many people of excellence in the African diaspora, whether other groups recognize them or not.
@@lindyashford7744 No, when she arrived to be married and was presented to the court. However, to the shock of all concerned her husband to be actually fell for her. He took no mistresses we know of and they were by all accounts devoted to each other. Which made her, unlike most foreign Princesses above criticism. By the way, I am not exactly sure what you mean, but to my knowledge reaching extreme old age may make some whites appear less attractive, to some, but to my knowledge it has never made one appear black or mixed race.
@@clementmckenzie7041 the quote about her being ugly and shrunken and a mulatto was made at the end of her life. She was old by then and a LOT of people, including people who were fair by birth have changed skin tone anyway. The quote is from a dated historic document. The paintings of her -there were quite a few - have consistency of appearance and there are many European people with similar features and colouring, she was relatively fair skinned. The artists were known for their ability to make a good likeness, and there is no evidence whatsoever that her appearance was altered in her portraits. That her husband took to her and was faithful to her is his action and to his credit and not about her heritage.
The ancestor her slightly darker looks were attributed to came from six hundred years before, so she was NOT a mulatto, so that aspect of the comment was incorrect. My biggest argument against looking at the case of Charlotte in this way is she had no close black ancestors to make that something real, like a parent, grand parent or grant grandparent, and anything further back than that buys into the obnoxious one drop theories of race, which really are not fit for 21st century thinking, and weren’t fit for the times they were conceived in, even then they were considered contentious.
As to old age changing peoples appearance, yes it very often can. Ordinary life dan. Hence a lot of gentlewomen were exhorted to cover their faces and arms lest their skin darkened, all sorts of devices were used, jI am sure you know about parasols. Ordinary peasant folk in Europe could become quite weathered and darker skinned. Not so likely for Charlotte. There are many quite ordinary conditions that can change skin tone, kidney and liver conditions for a start can make skin sallow or darker, and at any age also Addisons disease, haemochromatosis, and pregnancy masking can also alter appearance quite radically. It works the other way too. Skin pigment can and does change. Watch how people love to tan! Some older people do not lose it. Even some younger people!
African heritage doesn’t necessarily mean black, for instance, Elon Musk is African but not black, Africa is a continent, not a country. It’ll depends what you mean by African heritage.
No, I don’t think queen Charlotte is black. She could possibly have African heritage, but she is not black we clearly see it.
Elon musk is not a good example, he's of Dutch descent and happened to have his colonizer family born in South Africa. After his very immediate ancestors colonized South Africa.
But you are correct that not everything is black and white ( literaly in this case), for example : I'm native North African (Amazigh/ Berber) ,my ancestors have been in Africa for more than 40 000 years. And I'm white passing or at least, my skin is very light.
@@victoriasmith490 Africa started to be colonised around the same time as the US did, some parts later than others of course. There are people similar to the coloured category of South Africa scattered across the continent some must go back quite a way. In North Africa a lot more so. Lots of Indian ( from India, then an area that included Burma, Pakistan, Bangla Desh, and other smaller nations ) people were also transported to Africa. Possibly also people from Indonesia which was under Dutch rule. There was a lot of migration of peoples, making things a lot less black and white than people imagine. Depending on how your ancestry swung people were absorbed into majority white heritage and nations, or majority black/brown heritage and nations, and even so there was crossover a lot of it documented Ed but not really taught, often for political reasons. Today there are increasing numbers of people with mixed heritage in many parts of the world. Exceptions are where migration is still very low. History is not done with us yet, it is an ongoing process….
Queen Charlotte had an Moorish Portuguese ancestor, Madragana.
And what's what they are using to say that Charlotte was black.
Two things
1▪︎ Moors in the Iberian Peninsula weren't black, they were of Syrian origin (Umayyad caliphate)
2▪︎ Madragana, Charlotte's moorish ancestor, was born 15-generations (600 years) before Charlotte.
That would barely do anything to Charlotte's phenotype.
▪︎ Madragana was ethnically Portuguese (white). She was a ''Mozarabic''.
@@tatianaoliveira2191 You have NO idea what you're talking about. You're regurgitating 2nd hand opinions that suit _your_ narrative rather just believing _your own eyes_ and using common sense.
It takes EFFORT to paint a portrait.
No employed artist is going to painstakingly paint a portrait for a QUEEN that probably took days (if not weeks) to complete, that would not satisfy her (regardless of what she actually looked like). It would have been very easy to paint her to look unambiguously "white". Either it didn't matter or it did matter and the actual Queen was _even more_ phenotypically "black".
Lmao nice try buddy. The Elon example is very poor he’s of afrkaaner.
I read about Queen Charlotte as a kid. I'm in my 50's I was a kid in the 70's long before 1997. When I read these historical debates, I keep in mind the three H principal. How history is written, how white people prefer to see history, and the actual messiness of real history. Normally any assertion of blackness in history is rejected out of hand as absurd by white historians without fail. Black people say Thomas Jefferson had black children. White historians write whole books about how absurd and impossible even the concept is for hundreds of years. Then DNA proves it, white people go silent and we rarely hear about Jefferson at all these days. Black people say Cleopatra was black, White historians say ridiculous she was Greek. Archeologists dig up her sister look at the bones and say this woman is part black African. White people say, just because her sister is part black that doesn't mean Cleopatra was. Black historians say Alessandro De Medici was half-black. White historians say ridiculous, Then correspondence between his black mother and the family asking for aid is found, silence from white historians. The underlying sentiment is that blacks are so subpar, so beneath the dignity of whites that the idea of them touching an Elevated white family is unthinkable and demeaning to that family and the white history that family represents. In fact, Georgian England was full of celebrated mulattos. England was a slave-holding empire, Georgian England, especially London, Leeds, and Manchester, had substantial black populations and the Aristocracy had the habit of sending second sons to the Caribbean to make their fortunes. Those second-son Caribbean plantation holders regularly sent their mulatto children to England and France to be educated. Alexander Dumas's grandfather was a French Marquee who brought his mulatto son to France for his education, Joseph Bologne was also sent to France by his father Chevalier George Bologne to be educated, Marie Antoinette raised a young black child, Jean Amilcar, as a Prince of France. Lady Dido Lindsy was a member of one of the most exalted Georgian Aristocratic families in England. Winston Churchill great grandmother was a Native American, and Princess Diana's great, great-grandmother was a Dasi from India My own great-grandmother was sent to England by her white grandparents, who were members of the British Aristocracy, for her formal education shortly after the end of slavery in Jamaica. If a child could pass they were sent to Europe to do that. White historians prefer to pretend these people didn't exist. The English didn't operate on the one-drop rule exclusively, it was commonly felt that you could breed out a little back in a family line and where the Aristocracy was concerned class trumped all. What could be hidden would be successfully hidden. I have come to understand that there is the history whites are most comfortable with and then there is actual history.
Very well stated.
I Applaud You Stillnotdoneyet !! You have spoke the TRUTH !!!! YOU know white america / historians don't want to acknowledge anything Black. And yet they remain Silent when Proof is Shown. They even have 'white washed ' Jesus Christ.SMH .
Queen Charlotte was Biracial.
nobody says that in Europe black were completely inexistent; they were extremely rare, and much rare the black that could manage to enter in some european royal court. A lot of white europeans get position of power in Ottoman Empire, still nobody ever tought were 'the white' to control the empire; simply, one european had succeed abroad. The same for black living in Europe; some of them get success, Dumas for exemple, other were musicians or found another way to live, but they've never been relevant, they were individuals looking for their future, nor princesses and kings
Facts , it's quite telling and pathetic and makes one wonder why would anyone ever listen to the blatant liars protruding to be scholars 😅ever again 🤔
No, she was not. That rumor started because of a specific artist’s stylized portrait. Follow her family tree and you will see not. And please people, don’t think you are actually getting history from television! Especially Netflix or the BBC dramas!🙄
A Moorish ancestor from 600 years prior to Charlotte's birth, wouldn't affect Charlotte's phenotype.
Plus, Moors weren't black.
▪︎ Her moorish ancestor, Madragana was ethnically Portuguese (white). She simply converted to Islam.
▪︎ The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (where Madragana was from) belonged to the ''Umayyad caliphate'' (original from Damascus, Syria)
For real this reminds me of people saying that someone is part Cherokee cause high cheek bones but then the person doesn’t even have Native ancestry on a dna test.
Did you watch her video "German Immigrants: not white and not wanted" what did Benjamin Franklin describe the complexion of those German's as being?
It hurts you to think of that possibility uh. Lol. Fact is no human is 100% we all are a cross of someone… lol 😆
@@dw7312 Ironic. According to your logic MLK is technically white.
As someone born and grew up in Mecklenburg (Germany), to me the Duchess Charlotte of Mecklenburg(-Strelitz) Queen of the United Kingdom looks like one of us. The normal Mix of slavic and germanic heritage. Polabians were darker than germanic Tribes or East Slavic tribes. More like Balkan Slavs or other Southeast Slavs. Dark really doesn't mean African descent. I mean, Europeans come in skin colors ranging from snow white to olive, and eye colors ranging from ice blue to black brown, haircolors from white blond to black and every Hair structure. Any variant in the mix is possible.
She doesn't look darker. People are either blind or just stupid. She actually looks way paler than most. Her paleness plus his facial features make her seem like she had some sort of albinism.
Actually in the mid 90's I bought this book from a Black owned bookstore and I first heard about the story of Queen Charlotte a Black historian wrote about her in the 1930's, so this topic has actually been around for over 90 years.
That doesn't mean it's true!
That “historian” was not actually a historian. And his claims have been debunked.
@MW I found that out too.
90 years of pure invention, congratulations
I always thought Queen Charlotte was black, I mean look at her Afro it’s so prominent but her daddy or great grand daddy must of got his Slave pregnant....
"Throwback children" is what it is called. When African phenotypes pop up randomly...
It happened in my family and it's awesome
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I was just going to say this!! Shes a throwback. Technically white with an ancestor of africa like 1100s and thier phenotype popped up through her in the 1700s
@@TransmutedLiving exactly. And the ancestor in the 1100’s was Middle Eastern, and also probably of mixed ancestry and not likely to consider himself African in the modern sense either, even if it was there somewhere in the mix. 600 years is a long time when talking about forebears, look how fast people ‘lose’ their ancestral stories, very often once out of living memory most stories are gone. By 150 years things have already got a bit remote and all that is left is an entry in some kind of document that says very little of real life. Whatever Charlotte looked like if she had a DNA test it might not even have registered! By six or eight generations the % is infinitesimal, but the potential for throw back still exists.
Very wrong well documented fact what her background is
Historian Mario De Valdes y Cocom argues that Charlotte was directly descended from a black branch of the Portuguese royal family: Alfonso III and his concubine, Ouruana, a black Moor.
In the 13th century, “Alfonso III of Portugal conquered a little town named Faro from the Moors,” Valdes, a researcher on the 1996 Frontline PBS documentary “Secret Daughter,” said in an interview with The Washington Post. “He demanded [the governor’s] daughter as a paramour. He had three children with her.”
According to Valdes, one of their sons, Martin Alfonso, married into the noble de Sousa family, which also had black ancestry. And, thus, Charlotte had African blood from both families.
There was no "black branch" of the Portuguese royal family. That is historical research on the level of the cop in True Romance. Even if she was "part Moorish" via Portugal the Moors were North African Arab/Berbers, not black Africans.
Good point, the Moors were Amazigh. However, you don't think she is a product of the one or two black people amongst the moors.
This story of Queen Charlotte seems to be more important to people of color. It sounds to me that having African Ancestry is a bad thing so let’s keep trying to prove this person is of African ancestry so that it will give credibility to people of sub saharan African Ancestry. This
Seems to be especially so, is the American African community. So
If she has black in her what does that do for those pushing this topic? Nothing. By the way have seen the paintings of her children? And way the royal family is white still and even Harrys children are white as far as I am concerned. They do not represent sin saharan Africans. I never understood why have some black ancestry makes
one black. If they look white, they’re not experiencing what it is to be black in the world. For some reason it’s my impression that American blacks tend to hold onto this old rule created in the south by racists that wanted to keep the white rest pure. By calling people like, let’s say Mariah Carey black without acknowledging her European ancestry says will the black race should have pride in keeping their race pure. It’s funny, I never see other races rushing to claim that whites, or someone of white ancestry has Asian, east, Asian, American Indian, etc. etc..in their DNA. Why? They don’t care.
It is easy really, start acknowledging that people are not just black or white. It is NOT a binary world that you can divide up like that, and people should not regard human history like that. Way back there was a genetic alteration that left some humans with way less melanin than others. At some point they were called white. As opposed to being any of the other skin tones that existed. But it was not a dogmatic naming neither was it a judgemental one, it was simply what it was. The people from the mixed skin tones and the ‘white’ people were not particularly segregated so even more skin tones resulted. They knew where they thrived best…. Mainly because the mutation that caused the reduction in melanin was likely an adaptation or damage to DNA in the skin. Over time many groups of humans became mixed, and in fact no matter what our skin tone is in the present the vast majority of us have mixed ancestry. History is not just the bits we can read anoint but goes many thousands of years further back than any recorded history. However a lot of what cannot be found written on paper or stone is written in our genetics, and increasingly that shows a clearer picture of ancestral lines that far outweigh all the binary narratives of race, which are a very long way from how humans actually developed to be modern mankind.
" I never see other races rushing to claim that whites, or someone of white ancestry has Asian, east, Asian, American Indian, etc. etc..in their DNA. Why? They don’t care."
Yes. They don't care because those races do not share the long, brutal and deeply damaging racial history that black people have in America.
And you know that.
Yes they do care. They get their DNA tested to confirm stories of their ethnicity and to learn about their genealogy. Some are surprised at what they find. They post their reveal of their DNA test on RUclips if you care to check a few out.
You bring up so why do black Americans care? Well I believe as a black American we have had so much taken from us. A lot of us don’t know where we come from A lot of black Americans don’t know there history past there great grandparents. Black Americans have been stripped of there identity, heritage and culture. I feel like it’s trying to find one’s self and a search of belonging. I am a black American but I know my ancestry and where I come from. So I’m not out here grasping at straws but a lot of black people don’t and its not there fault it’s really sad.
@@skinbynakia2592 I always ask, why did they go to such lengths to strip the diaspora of they identity and culture, what don't they want this group of people finding out?
As Japanese who grew up in society that obsessed with white Beauty, her features doesn’t scream white it screams biracial to me , as for her skin Europeans love to make their skin and hair as white as a ghost even on portraits so I’m not surprised if this wasn’t her real skin tone at all !
Nope she had only one non European ancestor, everyone just leaves out the part that that ancestor dated back 500 years so she’s barely 5% non European, basically every European is at least 5% black .
@@LilacMorelli an ancestors from 500 years ago is honestly long enough for that to not even show up on the DNA test.
Additionally that one ancestor was north african which americans would consider arab not black
No Portay depict her a Biracial. No one. Not even the on in Question. If the british wero so Racist to alter the apperance of ther Queen in Portraits they woul never be coose her became Queen of England in the first Place.
Are you multi racial? Because nobody’s appearance should be “screaming” at you. I don’t get why. There are plenty of people that look multi racial that are not biracial, so you might wanna keep it to yourself about how they scream to you.
No, she wasn’t, and I can’t believe this so being debated. And one of the ‘gotcha’ moments that someone used to prove she was black was that there were rumors/sayings that she was famously ugly. So are you saying that because she was ugly, it must’ve meant she was black??? How is that not racist?
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The assertion that Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was black is not supported by credible historical evidence. The idea that she had African ancestry stems from a highly debated theory that one of her distant ancestors, a Portuguese noblewoman, was of African descent. However, this theory is largely dismissed by serious academics due to the lack of solid proof. The term "Moor," often cited in these claims, likely referred to her ancestor's religion or geographical origin, not skin color. It's essential to understand that "Moor" in European history often described people from North Africa or the Iberian Peninsula, regardless of race.
Moreover, Queen Charlotte lived in an African colony under Portuguese rule-yes, the same Portuguese who were heavily involved in the transatlantic slave trade and who enslaved people based on skin color. It's misleading to suggest that because someone had a distant ancestor from Africa, they should be categorized as black. This would be like claiming that a descendant of Elon Musk several generations from now should be considered black simply because he was South African.
This narrative seems to be driven more by a desire to find black figures in European history, rather than by factual evidence. It's problematic to rewrite history based on unverified claims, as this undermines the integrity of historical scholarship. If the goal is to highlight the rich and diverse history of black people, there are far more appropriate ways to do so-such as exploring the incredible civilizations and cultures that thrived in Africa for thousands of years.
Instead of attempting to claim historical figures like Queen Charlotte or Cleopatra-whose African ancestry is also highly disputed-we should focus on celebrating authentic black history. This includes recognizing the remarkable achievements of African kingdoms, empires, and leaders who made significant contributions to world history.
Let’s encourage a more accurate and inclusive historical discussion, rather than distorting facts to fit modern narratives. There are real issues that need addressing, from systemic racism to inequities in healthcare and law enforcement, which would benefit more from our attention than perpetuating these historical inaccuracies.
Madragana Bat Aloandro, her supposed "black" ancestor, 15 times removed, was a Sephardic Jewess of NORTH African ancestry. As the illegitimate issue of mistresses are not in the line of succession, it is of no real importance.
There has never been a "black branch of the Portuguese Royal Family" and Margarida de Castro e Souza (correct spelling) was barren, so how could she possibly be anyone's ancestor?
George III and Queen Charlotte are my ancestors.
According to my DNA test, I have 0% African, 0%Moor, 0%Mozarab, and 0% Portuguese ancestry.
I already knew this, of course.
But Queen Charlotte ancestrals was moorish not black. In Portugal and Spain "moor" was the person from North Africa and Middle East who is islamic. People from North Africa ( Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, etc) has an appearance closer to people from Middle East than Sub-Saharan Africa.
Historian J.A. Rogers researched and published documentation of Charlotte Sophia’s African ancestry in the early 20th Century, before the Italian historian was even born. Please see SEX & RACE, volumes 1 - 3. Locklear is reportedly descended from one of the American Tri-Racial Isolate groups of the Cumberland Plateau (Melungeons, etc. have a similar racial makeup as Louisiana Creoles).
Yea he has a lot of info! Nature Knows No color line is a good one as well
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Locklear is a classic Lumbee name.
"Queen Charlotte (1744-1818), wife of the English King George III (1738-1820), was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house."
Unfortunately this information regarding of this queen has no proof. Moors were also of white complexion. Look up paintings of her children.
@@baldscott9191 it said the black branch of the Portuguese...
she was German; the nearer royals in her lineage were Swedish and Danish. You think that, even ten to twelve generation before an ancestor of her was black, she kept the color trough the centuries, among Germans, Swedish and Danish?
@TheVinci19 blacks were not born in Germany?
@@sharonspencer2796 no, they didn't even have colonies at those times. And even if some black guy was born in Germany, he wouldn't have any relation with the Mecklemburg-Strelitz or the Sassonia-Hildburghausen or the Swharzburg-Sondershausen, the family Charlotte was related to. Germany were united only in 1871, before that there was a number of small and medium states, intriguing and plotting. Don't underestimate the will of nobles all across Europe to stay on a different level from regular citizens, even it those citizens were rich. It's even more true in Germany, whit their complicated hierarchy among nobles families. Blood was everything, to them. And we've seen the results in WWI and WWII
I think that history is not as Black and White as people imagined it to be. As if white people were on one side of a wall and people of color were on another. The taboos that developed around race were a more recent (I mean last few hundred years) construction. Even in those periods, it is pretty clear that people had relationships. You can't live with, around and in communities without it. And, despite our attempts to deify our ancestors, they were just people with the same emotions, desires, needs, etc.
I would also note that a good genealogist or DNA scientist would explain to people about how DNA and genetic markers, this features, appear across generations.
Our family has 3 distinct looks and it goes throughout the family over generations. When you look at old pictures of even distant cousins, you can absolutely see those similarities reflected. In fact, I went to the family reunion of some fifth cousins to talk about family history and ended up taking pictures of people that I then compared to my immediate cousins. Some of them were so uncanny, I know I was staring at people. I had to apologize a few times.
We still don't completely understand how or why certain recessed genes and features become prominent in some people and not in others. We do know that if two people have a recessed or latent gene and they have a child, it is more likely to appear in that child.
I have had the same thing happen, meeting new relatives or seeing older photos of people....my jaw would drop. The same face, copy and pasted!
Gosh, I so endorse this comment! In my maternal lineage there are males who are incredibly like each other, it must be a really strong set of gene to pop up so often. Neither of my own children have these features. Genetics are weird!
My mom came from Royalty snd she did have some African dna even though when you do her genealogy you can't find it on paper. We've traced it back to 772 with kings and Queens, conquistadors, but no mention of Africa.
Its a mystery.
Conquistadors.
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which mistery? Her genealogy is more than well documented, she was German, and Germans have always been accurate on that, especially aristocrats whose lineage was the most valuable asset they got. The only mystery is how come someone could really believe she was in some way related to african folks; you know, Wakanda is not a real country, and Shonda Rhimes is not exactly an historian
Could be they meant North African and the Conquistadors were all part of that conflict that connected to Southern Spain and the expulsion of the Moors by Isabella and Ferdinand. There must have been a lot of blood exchanged then - not only on the battlefield, but in the bedrooms too.
@@sarrhodes8277 and in what way a German aristocrat of XVIII century should be related to Reconquista of XV? Charlotte's families had no known connection with Spain; anyway there are a lot of paintings and descriptions of her. It seems an episode of House of Dragon: book on books explaining Valyrians are pale, silver hair and purple eye, still the producer managed to make them black. This is not a fantasy, it's reality, you can masturbate any way you want, only delusional black people could listen to you.
Generally phenotypes or physical attributes inherited from African ancestry, like black skin, hair and eyes, do not 'just pop up at any time,' in the descendants of a African ancestor. If youre talking about descendants of this black African person, where their children have continued to procreate only with other Europeans, down the family line. Because the genes that make dark skin, hair and eyes are dominant. So if someone who is biracial inherits those genes they will usually show these phenotypes. They will have brown eyes, hair and skin which is darker than the non African parents skin. Especially if the non African parent doesnt have dark hair or eyes. For example has pale skin, blue eyes and blond hair. So if the children dont show black skin, brown eyes or black hair, they are very unlikely to be carrying those genes, on to the next generation. Im not saying Queen Charlotte didnt have black ancestry , but if she did, she doesnt seem to have passed it on to any further generations.The portrait you show, and often gets shown seems to be of someone who could possibly have biracial features, but then a lot of Europeans look that. However there are very many other portraits of Queen Charlotte who look quite different, and she looks very white European.
Madragana Bat Aloandro, her supposed "black" ancestor, 15 times removed, was a Sephardic Jewess of NORTH African ancestry. As the illegitimate issue of mistresses are not in the line of succession, it is of no real importance.
There has never been a "black branch of the Portuguese Royal Family" and Margarida de Castro e Souza (correct spelling) was barren, so how could she possibly be anyone's ancestor?
George III and Queen Charlotte are my ancestors.
According to my DNA test, I have 0% African, 0%Moor, 0%Mozarab, and 0% Portuguese ancestry.
I already knew this, of course.
First I want to say, I really appreciate the work you're doing here on this channel. I just found it today. Please keep it up!
The problem is with these umbrella terms like "black" , "white", or "African". Truthfully, this perspective is rooted in Darwinism and propagated here in America in the late 19th century. History has always been ethnically fluid. The assumption that Europe is white and Africa is black, are both false race narratives that can be easily researched. The key is in the descriptive terms used and what those terms meant "in time that time period". Words like brunette, which used to be brown skin, has now been switched to brown hair. Other words like saturnine, ruddy, swarthy, olive, fair, and pale were all descriptive terms for colored complexions, "in those time periods". So called "Black" or "White" people didn't exist back then, in the sense that we use it today. My people are Nahyssan-Yesan-Saponi-Occaneechi and Skarù∙ręʔ-Tuscarora, North Carolina roots. At first contact they were described with thick course hair and skin not unlike that of an Ethiopian. Now 80% are classed as black, 16% passed as white, and 4% are with their respective federally or state recognized tribes.
I agree, the terms matter and they also have no meaning at the same time. I do try to use words that will generally point to my intent, but I do sometimes wish there was a better way to describe this
You are definitely right. I had never stopped to think of it that way. In my own lifetime I' ve been colored , negroe, black and African American. I may have even missed something. I think what comes into play is how you are made to feel about yourself. I distinctly remember growing up feeling some type of way about being colored. My granny was mixed and she , my dad and my grandfather only spoke CREOLE to one another. I hid under that dining room table for years until I learned it. By the time I was a teenager I was called black and by graduate school I was African American. My father traveled the world and always came back with stories of how many people in the world were of color. I remember the first thing he brought back to me was a life- size poster of an Egyptian belly dancer. Despite her dark eyes she could have been my sister. I learned that day that most people in the world are of color. And there is absolutely nothing under the sun wrong with THAT! INSHALLAH
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Nope. She was not of african heritage.. The rumor has been going around for years. Even though I like the Bridgerton story line, I do not like history re-imagined. Just have the period pieces remain true.to the period! There are actually people who think Anne Boleyn was black because of a streaming series.
People forget people like Rita Ora. She looks like a biracial woman but she is a whole white Albanian woman. In America, wide noses, big lips and curly hair is coded as Black. I went to Germany and saw many swarthy, big lipped people.
There are some articles that mention people of African descent in Germany as far back as the mid to late 1800s so there would have been some mixing.
Just because you are from a certain country doesn't mean those are your true roots. Just because she is from Albania doesn't mean she doesn't have anything else in her genetic make-up. Language and country don't define your whole background
I know an albino girl and her mother and father is black
@@mekiavellieghost1427 yes, because she is albino. She was born with no melanin.
Vsauce did a video on DNA which blew my mind. He said at some point, you cease being genetically related to your ancestors. I suppose I should have inferred that but the way he articulated the fact really drove the idea home.
You are half your ancestors with each generation. At some point after being half, of a half of a half of a half all genetic connection will get lost
I think its a real possibility she has some African ancestry. I definitely see the features they speak of. Whether she is consider Black, biracial, or whatever is just a societal label depending on whats decided by the powers that be. If we go by the one drop rule, then shes black, but if we dont I would probably consider her to just have some mixed ancestry but not biracial
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exactly!!!! spot on!!! it is so clear to anyone with African blood that this is a mixed woman !!!
@@carolinekamya2339 No it's not you dunce🤣🤣🤣🤣
If she could trace her heritage to any ancestor from the Mediterrean area, it is possible she had some Moorish or African lineage. When there was first mention Of Queen Charlotte's African heritage, I thought there was a possible link between George III's wife and one of the DeMedici dukes who was the illegitimate son of a nobleman and an enslaved woman of African descent. The immensely wealthy DeMedici family included two Queens of France. I did not, however, find any link between Queen Charlotte and the DeMedici family. Did any of Queen Charlotte's siblings have physical characteristics associated with African heritage?
@@anthonytroisi6682African =/= black. African Mediterranean people do not have black ancestry, and European Mediterraneans have little North African (not Black) ancestry, biggest being in Pprtugal and being about 7% on average. So if she had an ancestor from Portugal she had what? 0,5% North African Caucasoid non-black ancestry?
I hope this doesn’t turn into a OneDrop fanatic channel. I really liked it so far. When you go to Europe, I’m not sure if you’ve been there yet but when you go there and you go through the national Gallery abd the Louvre, this is what people look like. You see a lot of thick lips, a lot of curly hair, etc. It’s not that big of a deal. Unfortunately the historical inaccuracy of these shows even if they are fiction are creating delusional representations of history that people can’t. discern. Then they believe that black people were actually part of the European Royal families and suddenly the exploitation of black people by colonial powers is muddled
LOL oh gosh I dont think it will. I dont think she was black necessarily, but I thought the idea was pretty wild.
@@nytn it’s come up on a lot of people with the OneDrop Mob. The latest one now is JCPenney. And it’s not a genuine interest in his genealogy. It’s a takedown online and a mockery of his features, his family. The OneDrop fanatic that’s facilitating. The rumors about JC Penney was actually contacted by his descendants, and they expressed concern as to why this was talking about their family. And it’s never a Latino or Middle Eastern American public figure it’s always somebody that’s European dissent. John Leguizamo, on finding your roots. Had one of his ancestors lifted his black/African on the birth record, and Henry Louis Gates didn’t make the big stink he did over Rosanne Cash is 1/96 “black ancestry”
WOW, thank you for telling me this. Ive never seen about JC PENNEY? I'll go down that rabbit hole later for sure.
@@nytn My feeling is research is fine but there's all these people online being trashy about it that's the problem period it ruins it for people generally interested in genealogy
She looks German, big and pretty eyes and rounded chin. Sounds like this theory is purely based on an opinion of an individual who looked at a painting. Not very scientific.
She wasn't black
No Charlotte wasn't. She may have had a Berber ancestor back in the 11th century. It would be like me claiming to the Norse from my 3% dna from the Viking invasion of England from 900 AD. Unfortunately, now millions of viewers believe the urban myth about Charlotte.
Queen Charlotte 's so called ''black'' ancestor, Madragana, wasn't even black.
Madragana was of Moorish descent (and 15-generations before Charlotte)
The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (where her ancestor, Madragana, was from) were of Syrian origin.
Those ''Moors'' belonged to the ''Umayyad caliphate'' (original from Damascus, Syria)
Nothing to do with black Africans.
Who are you?
You're one of 8 billion people on this tiny planet with an an opinion.
You're certainly is ignorance in disguise.
@@tatianaoliveira2191 I'll ask you as well: Who are you?
You're one of 8 billion people on this tiny planet with an an opinion.
You're certainly is ignorance in disguise.
@@tatianaoliveira2191It wasn't from Oruana Madragana. It was her son with Alfonso who got a Nubian. Then further down the line, there was another African Margarita De Castro E Souza. Apparently, her family also inbred a lot at the time...they rarely married out and mostly kept their gene pool tight.
@@tatianaoliveira2191It wasn't from Oruana Madragana. It was her son with Alfonso who got with a Nubian. Then further down the line, there was another African Margarita De Castro E Souza. Apparently, her family also inbred a lot at the time...they rarely married out and mostly kept their gene pool tight.
She just had a black ancestor, which was so distant,
sorrows, sorrows prayers😂
Y'all just hate the fact that Queen Charlotte had so much in her it even made her hair course
Complete bollocks. QS was not black, you yourself say that the story is based in a 'reimagined racially integrated London' If it's 'reimagined' then it's not true, correct? but then you go on to explain how It might have been true. You might as well do a 'reimagined' version of Ben Hur with The main character as Russian Cossack. What's the point of portraying ANY historical character or event if we can't even stick to what are generally accepted as the facts. I find all of this woke virtue signalling to be really worrying for a number of reasons chief of which is the way we are constantly re-writing the world around us to fit in with what's currently acceptable and deleting any unpleasant facts that might offend certain sections of society. Worst of all, the people who watch things like this Queen Charlotte travesty are active encouraged to believe that this is the truth and not the dreadful woke (just like Bridgerton) crap it really is. If we continue down this road it wont't be long before we get a remake of world war 2 where Hitler and his palls are all recast as zombies/vampires/aliens (or whatever's most popular that week)
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth is a law of propaganda peddled by duplicitous individuals to create the illusion of truth by repeating a known lie to distort history.
We should call it out for what it is which is cultural appropriation by falsification. This theory stems from one man’s subjective opinion with absolutely no evidence to the contrary. It isn’t based on any kind of science, it isn’t scholarship, it’s propaganda designed to dispossess a people of their cultural identity plain and simple.
The woman presenting seems to be a nice lady but quite obviously knowns f**k all about DNA otherwise she wouldn’t have made such stupid claims🙄
Throwback - growing up every black person knows what that is.
Love Bridgerton books and Shondra Rhimes but this argument makes no sense.
1st: Charlotte being descendant of Moors doesn,t mean she had black skin. In Portugal almost all of has have Moor DNA (as well as jewish sefardite) but the Moors that invaded us came mostly from Northern Africa and did not have black skin. Portuguese adquired mostly Southern Africa DNA and South America DNA after the XVI century.
2nd: the more than 9 generations and five centuries after Madragana Ben Aloandro, the Moor that is the source of this argument also weaken the argument.
3rd: Portuguese have no problem with having Moor blood in their DNA. D. Duarte Nuno de Bragança, the legitimate heir of the Portuguese Royal Family claims that they are descendant of Mohammed (probably by the Spanish Royal Family and the caliphs of Córdoba).
The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal were of Saudi Arabian origin.
They belonged to the Umayyad caliphate (original from Mecca)
The Spanish royal family has 0 to do with the emirs and caliphs of cordova, so whatever he's talking about is pure bullshit XD
@@tatianaoliveira2191No Arabs were the ruling elite, they were a mixed of actual arabs and people from today's Lebanon. Moors specifically were North African, though most Moors in Portugal and Spain were actually natives converted to Islam.
@@goodaimshield1115 today’s royal family probably yes. But they are Bourbon though…
The Medieval Castilian Kings probably yes.
There is a painting of her brother who also looks biracial, queen Charlotte’s brother.
Just because someone has a big nose or lips doesn’t make them black
@@Actually_Woke_6277there are features tho that can be telling. If you are from africa can can sometimes tell whose eithiopian. My family is from liberia and you can sometimes tell someones liberian. Black comes in all shapes and sizes but this woman does look like something other.
@@Actually_Woke_6277 no it just like if they have thin lips or a straight nose doesn’t make them white. Yet we do know that there were the blackamoors that reigned in Europe for 700 years. That blood is all around I’m sure. What does black is a construct at the end of the day just like white. The woman was a European queen who had some black personality dna in her grand. End of story😊
Charlotte's ''black'' Portuguese ancestor wasn't even black. Madragana was ''Mozarabic''.
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▪︎ Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was an ethnic German (European).
▪︎ Charlotte had a distant Portuguese ''Mozarabic'' ancestor called 'Madragana Ben Aloandro' [ 600 years before Charlotte's birth ]
▪︎ 'Mozarabics' are Iberians (Portuguese and Spanish / European, a.k.a. white) that asimilated Arabic language and culture, but remained Christian.
▪︎ Madragana wasn't black. She was a white Portuguese woman that adopted an Arabic name and arab costumes.
▪︎ In short, the so called ''moorish'' ancestor was white.
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Any Portuguese, Spanish, German and English person (or anyone that knows history) will tell you that.
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▪︎ ''Moors'' are Arabs, not black Africans.
▪︎ The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (where Madragana was from) were of SAUDI ARABIAN origin.
▪︎ Those ''Moors'' belonged to the Umayyad caliphate (original from Mecca)
Both her parents were white.
@@fatjackjack5416 Exactly.
Her ''moorish'' (white convert to Islam) ancestor existed 600 years before Charlotte's birth
That wouldn't do anything to Charlotte's phenotype.
▪︎ Plus there's plenty of women with curly hair and full lips that aren't black (nor have black ancestry)
@Diotima Mantinea True
@@fatjackjack5416 There was no "white" back then. Stop confusing political designations with ancestry.
Moors were dark africans prior to white colonization. period.
Her features in that painting look .... different. But the question is what kind of different? Does she look different because of genetic heritage, genetic abnormality, or something else completely? If you go back 500 years, my paper ancestry doesn't even show up on my current dna test. My grandmother was cajun French and Italian, her husband was canadian french, German and Irish. My mother shows less than 5% French. Which means even though the paper trail tells us one thing and they may have started that way a certain number of years ago there is no longer enough dna to represent those cultures. If the cajuns arrived in the 1700s as french acadians, that's just over 300 years. Do I see traces of that french history in my mom's face? No, I can't say I do. She looks like her parents, she looks like her grand parents, she looks like her great grandparents sure. Past that? I struggle. And to extrapolate that you would be able to see traces of an ancestry back 500 years? I don't buy that. Now, if we were able to prove with paper that she descended from moors of african descent, that would indeed be exciting.
Agree! It’s a stretch to say Queen Charlotte is black because of an African ancestor 500 years ago! 👀 That painting being singled out amongst all the portraits of her in order to make a case is weak. I guess people see what they want to see.
@@It_was_all_a_dream Her ''African'' ancestor, Madragana wasn't African nor black. She was a Mozarabic (an Iberian Christian that asimilated Arabic language and culture)
The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (where Madragana was from) were of Saudi Arabian origin and belonged to the ''Umayyad caliphate'' (original from Mecca, Saudi Arabia)
And Madragana existed 600 years before Charlotte's birth.
That wouldn't do anything to Charlotte's phenotype.
She honestly looks like she has some sort of Albinism, like Hermansky-Pudlak syndrome
There are things I would like to comment on with regards to that Queen being portrayed as black and the social identity politics involved not just with Charlotte but also with other historical figures being shown onscreen as of a different ethnicity than they actually were in real life, but it is entirely too much to comment on.
Keep up your great work. I am happy that I came across your channel.
Myself and another family member have started going into our ancestry in a systematic way.
I have become quite obsessed with our ancestry. Well, that is just my personality.
She introduced the first Christmas tree to England!
I'm not as familiar with Queen Charlotte's genealogy, however, it is a myth that all Germans are blond/blue-eyed. Does she have mixed ethnicity? Yes. But I think the race question is a uniquely American perspective that non-Americans don't quite understand the obsession over. I'm more upset with the Cleopatra documentary than Bridgerton (although I disagree with race-swapping them in both cases). Americans tend to be race-baiters and they don't understand the nuances of the ancient & old world. I find it very disrespectful to African nations when Americans try to turn all of Africa into one dark-skinned nation, rather than recognizing the diversity and individuality of the countries within the continent.
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Is not a myth that Germans are blonde with blue eyes many even their enemies have described them like that wtf .. North African ain’t sub Saharan Africans like west Africa .
Queen Charlotte is said to have had some Moorish Portuguese ancestry.
The thing is... the ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (and Spain) weren't black Africans.
They were of Syrian origin and belonged to the Umayyad caliphate.
The woman that plays Charlotte on Brigeton is biracial.I also think that the original Queen Charlotte was biracial.
Queen Charlotte's non-white ancestor, Madragana was Moorish of Syrian origin.
And she's 15-generations before Charlotte.
5:33 “THAT STUFF CAN POP UP AT ANY TIME” could have never been truer. I knew of a family friend who is one half of a fraternal twin but looks nothing like any of the family. He has very Asian features from his eyes, to his stature to his body type. His twin, his other siblings, and his parents are both “traditionally Caucasian” in appearance. His grandfather from his father’s side is also “white” in appearance, but is actually a quarter-Japanese. His great gramdmother is of half Japanese blood and has some visible East Asian features, but can be classified as “white passing”.
They weren‘t surprised though, but they did not expect him to grow up looking more and more Asian as he grew older (in his late 30s now), especially just for the fact that he is one half of a pair with his twin brother.
Hollywood can make anyone anything don't you know batman is gay and batwoman is a black lesbian?! Duh man your racist yo! Shonada rhymes riding the black victimhood into the ground to be provocative and stir people up. This woman looked white as snow in all her paintings and may have a distant distant distant moorish bloodline but come on they legit casted a black chick LMAO. Beyond nuts at this point with these activist
This is the first time I have heard of Queen Charlotte. Some of those paintings look like she might have some African ancestry but who knows?
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@@chirstopherj Creep.
Queen Charlotte 's non-white ancestor, Madragana, was a Moorish woman.
The ''Moors'' in Portugal (where Madragana was from) were of Syrian origin.
They belonged to the ''Umayyad caliphate'', which was original from Damascus (Syria)
And Madragana was 15-generations before Charlotte.
That's more than 600 years of distance between Queen Charlotte and Madragana
Agreed, something about her mid face
Don’t they have the technology to take a skeletal sample and do dna testing at this point? It would be fascinating to have a definitive answer.
The Moors have some Sub Saharan blood.
Her features tell a story!!! Look at her!!!
Just correcting some slips repeated several times early on in the video. Charlotte was not a monarch. She did not reign. She was the wife or the consort of the monarch. She was a German aristocrat who came to England to marry King George III. Slavery was not abolished in England in 1833, that’s a real howler. Slavery was illegal in England and there were no known numbers of slaves in Britain in medieval or modern times, and even if there had been they would not have been black. Britain unilaterally abolished the global slave trade worldwide in 1807 and spent the next 100 years enforcing the ban on Portugal, Spain, USA etc. policing the seas at Britain’s expense of money and lives - up to 70,000 Royal Navy sailors died in enforcing the ban. The 1833 date is when slavery was abolished in the British Empire where it existed in some countries usually from before the British ruled those countries, but it was not very widespread and it was not usually black slavery but Asian.
It takes EFFORT to paint a portrait.
No artist is going to painstakingly paint a portrait for a QUEEN that probably took days (if not weeks) to complete, that didn't satisfy her psychological needs (vanity)and political requirements (regardless of what she actually looked like). It would have been very easy to paint her unambiguously "white". Either it didn't matter or it did and the actual Queen was even more phenotypically "black".
This is reality.
“She [Queen Charlotte] appeared plain, old, and of dark complexion”
SOURCE;
(R.Bentley, “Lives of the Queens of England of the House of Hanover, Volume 2”; 1875)
“The mulatto countenance of the Queen Mother, Queen Charlotte”
SOURCE;
(Dame Millicent Garrett Fawcet, “Life of her majesty Queen Victoria”; 1895)
She is also described as: “Small and crooked, with a true mulatto face”
SOURCE;
(Charles E. Pearce, “The Beloved Princess, Princess Charlotte of Wales”; 1912)
Excellent findings!
In a racial society, "true mulatto face" is a slur, not a scientific proof of her ancestry.
The allegedly black ancestor Charlotte is supposed to have was a woman that lived 13 (!) generations before her. That is the best the people who want Charlotte to be black can get.
Even if this allegedly black ancestor, a woman from Portugal called Madragana, would really be black (what she wasn't, she was from a "Mozarab" = Iberian family), one black ancestor 13 generations ago would be 1 among 8192 ancestors, or 0.01%. In Reality 0% black, because even her allegedly black ancestor wasn't black, but the best take for her beeing "mixed race" is a mixture where literally 99.99% are white and 0.01% would be black.
Perhaps I'm a little analytical...but lets suppose that the ancestor of Queen Charlotte, (Madragana) in 1200, was black. Between 1200 and 1700 (500 years) you have at least 20 generations (probably more). Each generation you double the number of ancestors you have from that generations...2 parent, 4 grand parent 8 great grandparents and so on. If you do the math that comes to over 1 million 18th great grandparents. If another one generation is added...that is 2 million 19th great grandparents. So at best Queen Charlotte was only 1/1 millionth African (assuming no other African ancestry along the way). I don't think that would qualify her as a person of color...not that it really matters.
btw because of the same analytics...virtually everyone alive today is descendant from some royalty and some person of color.
Madragana Bat Aloandro, her supposed "black" ancestor, 15 times removed, was a Sephardic Jewess of NORTH African ancestry. As the illegitimate issue of mistresses are not in the line of succession, it is of no real importance.
There has never been a "black branch of the Portuguese Royal Family" and Margarida de Castro e Souza (correct spelling) was barren, so how could she possibly be anyone's ancestor?
George III and Queen Charlotte are my ancestors.
According to my DNA test, I have 0% African, 0%Moor, 0%Mozarab, and 0% Portuguese ancestry.
I already knew this, of course.
No. Queen Charlotte was not Black.
"Im white and i say so"
@@nickhall7995her grandparents, parents, and children were all lily-white. Logic dictates she was lily-white too. Sorry that true history triggers you.
Nick hall sorry your reply doesn’t count as your a Bellend
@@khfan4life365yeah it is all liberal propaganda and to make blacks in black countries make themselves believe they are royalty and can rule over whites etc. the blacks also want to appropriate the egyptian ancestry trying to push the agenda that the egyptian royals were also black. It seems that blacks dont know who they are and always want to be something else than black.
@Dreamfyre"german" blacks😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well, the painter , did a portrait of what he saw ?
People have “family secrets “, then and now.
When you are “Royal “, race probably didn’t matter back then.( the Emperor’s New Clothes!)
She definitely looks like she has melanin in her.😊
An artist painted her not drawn from life! The Royal family was not amused! He was told to paint her natural features, as she actually looked!
EVERYBODY has melanin in them, including people with ‘white’ skin. The only exception are people with genetic disorders like albinism. It is there to protect the skin and is generated in the hair follicles. A very small percentage of people acquire a disorder called vitiligo which means they lose some or all of their pigment.
The court physician at the time spoke of her mixed race and that the queen mother picked her for her son. George III and his mother adored her. She had 11 children, but only 3 offical grandchildren, the last Victoria.
Ok ok… if she was that black, how come none of the genes passed to any of her 15 children? 🤔 🧐 🤨
And 9 grandchildren and 42 great grandchildren just from Victoria alone!
We will never really know if she had physical traits of a biracial woman cause all we have is painted portraits of the queen. Each painter has a different view of what a person looks like when the artist paints it. The only way we would know is if we do a DNA test on her but that will also be unlikely as it requires her tomb to be open and a sample be taken which would have to be approved by the current monarch. I think in todays society we want to make her black but the reality is…. We will never know.
well, we do have newspaper articles from the time that point out that she looked like a Mulatto. We also have letters from ladies at court where several of the ladies describe her as a blond Mulatto. In most cases, portraits, contemporary news articles, and written eyewitness accounts would be enough to establish the credibility of a claim, but oddly it does not seem to be the case here. I wonder why? By the way, speaking as an artist with a history degree. when an artist is commissioned to paint an official portrait, and all royal portraits are official portraits, the requirement is to render an accurate likeness of the subject at their most attractive.
I don’t know about you but I’m black and I know my people and she got some black in her.
@@Benita399 Any black person will look at that painting and can see that she looks mixed-race. She looks like some of my mixed friends, LOL!
@@Maki-00 I agree
Lol love the comment "that stuff can pop up anytime" So very true. Reminds me of the story of the white South African family that had the black child born with kinky hair and darker skin.
My kids all have different skin colors!
@@nytn i dont have kids i dont want any and dont plan on having any but im happy for you.
Afrikaners, the White South Africans descended from early Dutch settlers, have a small amount of non-white ancestry. Something like 5-7% on average, mostly south-east Asian and Khoisan.
Black people travelled to Europe as Royalty as well - African history in Europe is NOT LIMITED TO SLAVERY -
I'm trying to comprehend WHEN was Africa the only land with melanated people living on it? Everyone assumes all melanated people are African, despite the fact that Africa is a Greek word describing a foreign land. That's not what the indigenous people called THEIR continent. It's no different than the Americas being name by foreigners who want to suppress Atlan-Ukla, Godwana, India Superior (of the 3 Indies), Atlantis, and any other name that predates the many invasions that took place since Genghis Khan; all seeking Prester John/Presté Juan aka King David. Why are they cooking here hunting King David? Y'all ain't reading enough of the right material, or y'all are reading WITH preconceptions locked in place before the knowledge. We all have to get outta our own way.
Daniel, I love, “THAT STUFF COULD POP UP AT ANY TIME” 😂🤣
😂the truth though
@@nytn This is the very reason someone in the Royal family was worried about the complexion of Harry and Megan’s baby 😒
@@nytn No. Every generation is a dilution of the on before. Can pop up anytime is an excuse women who sleep with black men but do not want to admit it say.
I live in NC. Just think; we have a major city named after a Black woman! Oh no! That won't sit well with some people. The truth is that 'black' is what white people say it is. It always has been. I am black. Both of my parents are black. I have two so-called "mulatto" grandparents. And so over the years, I have had white people take one look at me and tell me that I am white. And they have even argued with me about it! This idea of racial classifications is so scientifically invalid and ridiculous, except for the fact that because it is socially accepted, race has been devastating to those the white people deem as being black. P.S. Everyone has African Ancestry.
Because she was still Queen?
Not true, as has been 100% genetically verified from the revelation of the human genome project, Neanderthal, who was a separate sub-species now extinct is now known to have interbred with cro-magnon, our ancestor. Every human group on the planet has some percentage between approx 2-5% of Neanderthal except for sub-Saharan Africans. So though cro-magnon may have been from Africa, it’s unsure whether Neanderthal was, and also there may be other sub species of humans as yet undiscovered indigenous to other parts of the planet. In addition there is more genetic diversity amongst sub-Saharan Africans than the rest of the human population combined, also discovered from the human genome project, which essentially supports the ‘out of Africa’ hypothesis, however it’s possibly not as clear-cut and there may be a lot more to learn about our origins.
Will my opinion is on the actual history of the real Charlotte, it maybe possible. Because you see, 1 cousin of mine looks "pure English, white" but in fact her dad is half black and half white. My aunt, her mum is white so of course you would not know the case of my cousin's gens when looking. Plus, some features that maybe know to be a distinctive feature on a race may just be a coincidence (a wider nasal area on an African). As for the show I think they are just doing what most are doing today. (Trying to make rascal transfers, to make it as if the old shows with mostly white people as the lead role didn't happen). Look at all the other rascal replaced historical people they put from white to black and now even Disney with the little mermaid. I am mixed raced myself but if I was played by a black or even a blonde white lady in a film knowing I am neither, I'd be turning in my grave 😂
Charlottes nose shape resembles my maternal side who are from eastern/southern europe. They were polish from austrian areas who interbred with Chinese invaders around 1200s. Our dna on the polish side is 6% or more western chinese and our eyes noses refelct this - not everyone but the traits do pop up as people have commented.
And strongbow was aboriginal, Henry III was Inuit and QE1 was Klingon
Any proof of this? No
But it's what I believe so must be true 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Being that the present royal family are Charlotte's descendents could a DNA test be conducted to determine if she was part black by her descendants or is that bloodline too far back.
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The ancestry became too German before and after Charlotte. The generic issues in the Austrian Empire and Spanish lines were horrible. George III's mother picked Charlotte as her son's wife, and they both adored her. They had 11 children, but only 3 official grandchildren. The last one, Victoria. George III had a genetic disease that appeared as madness but may have been heavy metals on the brain. Elizabeth II and Philip were 2nd cousins, even though Philip was Greek and Belgium, but with a direct line to Victoria. Charles is mostly German, and William is mostly English, with his children being mostly English and Welsh. Diana's family were king makers for generations and planned to put a daughter on the throne. Charles dated Diana's older sister till she spoke to a reporter like a friend, and that reporter printed everything. Now, the reporters just bug their phones and hack their computers.
I have read that Queen /Princess Charlotte and her husband the king had thirteen children and two of them died. I don't understand what is meant by three official children when all of the children came from their bloodline.
Current RF is descended fr om Queen Victoria who was no relation to Charlotte. Nice try but no cigar.
You can't tell a person's racial ancestry though DNA. That's a lucrative intentionally misleading myth that needs to be exposed for what it is.
Jesus was white too. He came from London, England.😂
@dodgefontana9415 lol they steal everything even made Jesus blonde hair with blue eyes Jesus was a middle eastern man Palestinian to be exact
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He was Jewish. His mother was Jewish, that makes him Jewish. He was from Israel.
Wait, a descendant of King Alfonso I with a Moorish mistress? That's the claim? LOL
Even if that was so, that was ~600 years before she was born. Even if that mistress was "black'", there wouldn't be a trace of that after 600 years. Second, Moorish doesn't mean black. The Kabyle of Algeria were called Moors. They're as light-skin as Southern Europeans. This is whole thing is ridiculous.
That mistress, Madragana, wasn't even black. She was Moorish.
The Moors (that were in the Iberian Peninsula) were of Syrian origin and belonged to the Umayyad caliphate (original from Damascus, Syria)
@@tatianaoliveira2191 Moorish is an umbrella term for Muslims in the Maghreb, Iberia and Malta and Sicily. They could be Arabs or Berbers.
The Almoravids and the Almohads who ruled most of Al-Andalus in the 12th century, during the time of Alfonso, were Berbers. And while there were some dark skin and even blacks in their ranks, the elite were certainly not black. They were represented in contemporary depictions were that of the typical light skin North Africans. Either way, there is no reason to think that she was black.
@@BigNews2021 Exactly
This is all just DEI. Like in The Gentleman from Moscow, the minister of culture in Stalins 1920’s Russia was portrayed as a black man
I live in the city of Charlotte NC. And this was stated in the early 80,s. I have lived here all my life and that was known info.
I live in Charlotte NC also. I hate the official stature of her here that looks so European. Charlotte also brought the idea of Christmas trees to England, which Victoria's husband also loved.
It may be a "known info", but it's still not true. Her allegeldy black ancestor, a Portuguese woman called Madragana, wasn't black, but even if so, Madragana lived 13 generations before Charlotte. So even if you consider this Madragana as black (she wasn't), that would make up 0.01% black and 99.99% white.
Black Charlotte is as stupid and made-up as black Cleopatra.
That it's a "known info" in Charlotte NC may lead to some conclusions about the educational system in that city, but it's no proof that Sophia Charlotte zu Mecklenburg-Strelitz was black. Look at her living descendants, like the actual King Charles III. Obviously a white man. Charlotte is depicted as white in every painting of her, her children are depicted as white. Her descendanst ARE white. But somehow Charlotte is still black, because somebody who has seen her alive described her as having a "plain face".
She may have had Moor ancestry 15 generations back.
I have read that Princess Diana had an Armenian/Indian ancestor named Eliza Kewark.
One of Diana's ancestors was from India, she passed as white, it wasn't until a DNA test of her brother caused the family to look more closely that they found the paper trail back to her Desi ancestor.
Hi NTTN, how/where you began your genealogy search?
I started with this: ruclips.net/p/PLvzaW1c7S5hQcox9CjaJWA7QKTYXw9Zn2
Let somebody from the British royal family do a DNA test. That might clear things up.
I believe they have refused to do so in the past. Could have identified the 2 princes in the tower
@@christines2787 she was white the race washing is 100% bs.
@@christines2787 Bear in mind that when Richard III was DNA tested it proved that one of the Dukedoms has had a break in the male line in the intervening centuries.
@@04nbod - I read that. False paternity event, I think it's was called
I think they found South Asian ancestry, but I would not be surprised that they are actually very mixed at the end. or having small percentages from over the world and a majority of European dna.
Logically, queen charlotte being black is hard to believe in. She comes from a family of royal and noble, those family won’t let any black kids appear in their family, yet to inherit the title.
Back at the unclear ancestor, who people claimed to be black is of “moorish” origin, used to indicate muslim people, Arabs or North African Berbers, and none of which can guarantee that person being black😂.
😂😂😂So the only evidence is her portrait looks mixed😂😂😂
💗Ur work Thank U for Sharing. Keep in mind not all historians, scholar & anthropologists are willing or even capable of giving historical accounts or findings without super imposing a subtle racist over tone on their findings and historical account s and will even go as far as dismissing or hiding evidence that doesn't fit the narrative; however, Graham Hancock brakes the mold in that regards. He speaks about being denied of funding for research and frowned upon by colleagues for not sticking with the narrative. Something consistent in his work is that he embraces truth as it shows up. He is unwilling to peddle a sanitized version of history for the sake of maintaining the status quo or any other sake. This may or may not apply in this case of Queen Sharlet but definitely something to keep in mind like softening up the features softening up the facts.
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Queen Charlotte was German . Her ancestor The king of Portugal in the 12 th century had a moorish mistress . A historian called Rodgers said in 1940 he thought she looked black as her lips and nose looked african .
Although no evedience on this was ever mentioned during her lifetime .
But her Moorish ancestor, Madragana Ben Aloandro, wasn't even black.
She was Moorish of Syrian origin.
The ''Moors'' that were here in Portugal (where her ancestor, Madragana, was from) belonged to the ''Umayyad caliphate'' which was original from Damascus (Syria)
@@tatianaoliveira2191 thankyou I didn't know that . I also thought she had Mediterranean features
I hate the word mistress when its really just rape.
@@HeavenLee1 how do we know this throwing rape into a discussion without any context of the individual is stupid
@@grahammalcolm7130 because most sex between white men and Black women was NOT consensual. That is a historical statement.
My British father was told this in private school in England before WWII. He was the scholarship boy in Northern England, who loved history. No one cared at that time. The beautiful Mistress of a Portuguese King, who was from Northern African wasn't a slave, and she was the offical Mistress. The court physician stated when Charlotte arrived at George's court she was mulatto and they were in love. That was not scandalous to find out in the 1930s. Not like the 14 children of a British King, James, who had no children with his official wife. His brother was a Roman Catholic and Queen Mary II had to take the throne away from her father to stop another religious civil war. Also Prince Charles couldn't marry the woman he loved in the 60s because his great grandfather had an affair with her great grandmother but no children. Tastes about race change depending on who is in power and who wants power. The newspapers today in Great Britain want power so even Harry's red hair is used against him. Diana's brother is a redhead, but so was a lover of hers, so they try to destroy him as well as his family.
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Based upon the allegations, and these are speculative, Queen Charlotte's black ancestry would have been from 6-10 generations before her birth which would have given her about 1% black ancestry. Again, this is speculative as it is based upon some distant ancestor who was a Moor and the moors were Berbers or Arabs but possibly black. As far as her portraits, most of them show her with European features. Her parents portraits show them with Eurpoean features. In conclusion, she might have black ancestry but her black DNA would have been 1% or less. Only a DNA test would conclusively tell us.
Hi! I haven't watched Bridgerton but I've watched some clips of it and about it. Re: Queen Charlotte, I think she had some black ancestry - maybe it's best to say mixed race - based on her portraits. However, I also think her "blackness" or being dark/ swarthy was downplayed as to cater to the culture/ norms of those times. Still re: Bridgerton, I wonder if you could do a vid re: the casting of actors of South Asian (Indian) descent in the series vs the books. I think they gave Kate (Kathani) a backstory that her father (and bio mom) were Indian. The Bridgerton doesn't claim to be historically accurate, though. I've watched some historical fashion RUclipsrs critique the hair & costumes of the show. But I digress. Good luck & more power!
She wasn’t mix race or black it’s not true .
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@Love buzz 27 I recall when Prince Harry was about to marry Megan there was an interview with the queen and she said that Queen Charlotte did have African ancestry and therefore so does the royal family of England. If anyone knows their family's ancestry it would be the late queen of England herself.
You know, Princess Diana has an ancestor from India. She came from India and passed as white and her granddaughter married into the English Aristocracy. Now the descendant of this South Asian woman will one day sit on the Throne of England.
@@clementmckenzie7041 that's cool to know, thanks for the info. I once watched a vid by Lindsay Holiday(?) - "Is the British Royal family German?" - the answer is yes, they are primarily from German stock, until King Charles. However, with the addition of Diana's genes, William & Harry are more English. With the addition of Kate, the 3 young kids are now more of English ancestry than German. Lindsay didn't talk about this Indian ancestor of Diana. It would be very interesting to know William's (or Harry's) DNA percentage results and see if there's a tiny percentage of South Asian genes. Cheers!
Royal linages had to be carefully studied due to Succession reasons..
It is absolutely impossible for dna to suddenly pop back up after 500 years, my grandma is biracial and you can only just see she is mixed if you look closely but me and my dad don't look black.
The same people who believe Queen Charlotte is black is usually the same people who immediately call me white yet I'm more African than Queen Charlotte as my African side is in the 1900s, when I was born my black ancestor was born 80 or so years before me. Maybe less.
A genealogist debunked this whole theory saying that if this was true the African dna would have to compete with their spouses dna, the more down the line they intermix with European dna the lower the chances of that dna coming out on top because that African dna would have to compete with over 16,000 others.
If you have a 50% chance of inheriting certain dna from one of your parents imagine after 14 generations what the chance of inheriting that same dna would be.
If I had a child with a white woman my child isn't going to come out looking like Nelston Mandela or Morgan Freeman. Because my 5.6% African dna can't compete with my entire European dna and my spouses European dna combined.
If anything my African dna is going to shrink to around 1% or 2% or dissappear entirely when it comes to my child
Not to mention this is 500 years of intermixing... it is impossible for 500 year old dna (800 years old now)
to suddenly make a revival out of nowhere unless people of the same dna kept coming into the mix.
Queen Elizabeth isn't black, it's just ridiculous because if that's the case then everyone can claim to be everything, a woman who is 100% European can claim to be native American just because she heard a rumour that her 11x great grandmother was Pocahontas.
For example my Grandad is 100% European but yet like or unlike Queen Charlotte he has a distant African side, but it's more closer to my Grandad than this potential Moore is to Charlotte as this African side is only 300 years apart where as to Charlotte her potential black ancestor is 500 years apart.
The dna obviously got washed out by the time my grandads 2x gr grandad was born because he was in the Confederacy and didn't have African features at all despite his maternal gr grandparents being mulatto.
My grandad has 2 branches which descend from Native Americans too and yet this dna was gone by the time my Grandad was born.
Many Brits are tired of Americans using their racial groupings on our history, we are not America. We don't have this history of a melting pot society of diverse cultures.
Black people did live here yes... there was black people in the tudor times, the Georgian and even the victorian times but they mainly settled in port cities and the population of them compared to the native British population isn't even comparable.
The same people saying Queen Charlotte is black is also the ones saying Queen Anne is black who I descend from.. they also say the Vikings were black and diverse which is just laughable. The furthest the Vikings went in Africa was North Africa but even then the people there are not the same as those in the south
All of this is just an example of what americans do when they get a hold of european history. They try and racialise everything and use terms that most brits have never heard of.
Paintings were alterted all the time, Queen Elizabeth I's painting was altered to make her look more beautiful.
Not to mention we have people here who look a certain way but their ancestry is native to where they live. The cornish and welsh are sometimes more dark looking.
Even King Charles was said to be dark all because he had olive skin.
The meaning of dark didn’t mean black back then and this is what most americans don't understand.
Dark back then meant someone with dark hair or olive skin. One of my british ancestors was considered dark when he signed up for the navy.
The whole racial system in America's history is ingrained into them that when they look abroad they use the same views to judge other historical figures, this is the same country that viewed Mediterraneans and the Irish black too.. which already shows how loosely the term "black" is used
This is where this ridiculous myth that has nothing to do with Americans came from.
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Sadly, I hadn’t heard of Queen Charlotte, so couldn’t comment on her lineage. I have watched part of Bridgerton, though. I finally got so disgusted that I gave up, altogether. A few sex scenes is one thing; this was too much entirely. The programs these days leave little to the imagination! Interesting video; thank you for the work you’re doing and for sharing your journey with us! ♥️👏👏👏
I have not seen it!!Good to know....Im more on the conservative side with what I watch😅
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I really do like the show for its escapism but I do agree it was too much about hitting the sheets. I liked the first season better but here's hoping they can clean it up for season 3.
I agree!! They did the most!!! It was tew much!
@@wildwaning9427 Queen Charlotte is the 3rd season
As the Great Grandchild of a mixed-race woman who was by blood and upbringing a member of the British Aristocracy. I get a little miffed at the limited view many Americans have of the history of Caribbean and European black and mixed-race life. My Great grandmother Agnes led a life identical to her white relatives, on both sides of the Atlantic. . She was the Great granddaughter of the Duke of Seaforth, her grandfather was a lord and her father was a titular knight. She was legitimate and she was raised by her White grandparents and she was well-loved and treated. There were obstacles, such as when it was time to marry she had to retune to the Caribbean to find an appropriate mixed-race husband. I am attaching a few youtube links that might help those unfamiliar with people like my gran gran, and how people like her moved through the world they were born into. Although her situation was not the norm, she was far from the only one. ruclips.net/video/mp2N4AHCDHY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/I6kn_gYCaWw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/nsh6S9nUSvU/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Vy5gCJZ_WY4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/6lTnBK__d7E/видео.html
I read about her being black in the 80's!
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Well, reading about it doesn't mean it's true. That just means you read about it years ago. It's not true though
Claims that Queen Charlotte may have been of black or Sub-Saharan ancestry emerged in the mid-twentieth century.[79] The idea originated with writer J. A. Rogers's 1940 book Sex and Race: Volume I,[80][81] in which he concluded that the queen must have had a "Negro strain" based on what he described as her "broad nostrils and heavy lips" in her portrait by Allan Ramsay, and a quote by Horace Walpole describing her "nostrils spreading too wide; mouth has the same fault".[81] These details gave rise to much later claims that the queen was "mixed-race",[82][83] "biracial",[84] or "black".[78][83][85]
Portrait of Queen Charlotte by Allan Ramsay, 1761
Proponents of the African ancestry claim also hold to a literal interpretation of Baron Stockmar's diary, in which he described Charlotte as "small and crooked, with a real Mulatto face". Stockmar, who served as personal physician to the queen's granddaughter's husband Leopold I of Belgium, arrived at court just two years before Charlotte's death in 1816. His descriptions of Charlotte's children in this same diary are equally unflattering.[86]
In 1999, Mario de Valdes y Cocom, an independent researcher,[87] popularized and expanded on Rogers's claim in a website developed for PBS Frontline,[88] which has since been cited as the main source by a number of articles on the topic.[82][89][90][91] Valdes also seized on Charlotte's 1761 Allan Ramsay portrait as evidence of African ancestry, citing the queen's "unmistakable African appearance" and "negroid physiogomy" [sic].[88] Valdes claimed that Charlotte had inherited these features from one of her distant ancestors, Madragana (born c. 1230), a mistress of King Afonso III of Portugal (c. 1210 - 1279).[92] His conclusion is based on various historical sources that describe Madragana as either Moorish[93] or Mozarab,[94] which Valdes interpreted to mean that she was black.[85]
Although popular among the general public, the claims are largely denounced by most scholars.[95][80][96][97][85] Aside from Stockmar's jab at her appearance shortly before her death, Charlotte was never referred to as having any specifically African physical features, let alone ancestry, during her lifetime. Furthermore, her portraiture was not atypical for her time, and painted portraits in general should not be considered reliable evidence of a sitter's true appearance.[97] The use of the term "Moor" as a racial identifier for Charlotte's ancestor Madragana is also inconclusive as during the Middle Ages the term was not used to describe race but religious affiliation.[98][99] Regardless, Madragana was more likely Mozarab,[100][101][102][103] and any genetic contribution from an ancestor fifteen generations removed would be so diluted as to have a negligible affect on her appearance.[96][85] Historian Andrew Roberts describes the claims as "utter rubbish", and attributes its public popularity to a hesitancy among historians to openly address it due to its "cultural cringe factor".[95]
In 2017, following the announcement of the engagement of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, a number of news articles were published promoting the claims.[82][84][104] David Buck, a Buckingham Palace spokesperson, was quoted by the Boston Globe as saying: "This has been rumoured for years and years. It is a matter of history, and frankly, we've got far more important things to talk about."[105]
Stocky was a troublemaker.
The historian John Watikings described the queen as “rather small, but her shape fine, and carriage graceful; her hands and neck extremely well turned; her hair auburn; her face round and fair; the eyes of light blue face round and white, her eyes light blue...”
Despite the over-the-top portrayals of everyone during the Regency period of Bridgerton, there has been evidentiary scholarly materials asserting the position that she at the very least had African ancestry. Including the DE Medici as mentioned. It's perhaps difficult for many to accept however a great many European royalty was in fact melanated and present up until the late 1700s to early 1800s. It is almost impossible for the global population to be 91% melanated but yet not be of the ruling class outside of the African continent.
I think it is important to mention also that this ancestor that was present dated back to the 1200’s so in the quite considerable past….
Im in Charlotte (NC) and we've always been told she was biracial . . .very far removed
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So some people who want to rewrite history lied to you.
If she did indeed have African ancentry I would not consider her to be black. I say this because Rhonda Rousey had a black great grandfather but no one in the world even after knowing that would entertain the idea that she is black.
Have you ever heard of the one drop rule? One drop of colored blood...guess the rest.
Charlotte's ''black'' Portuguese ancestor wasn't even black. Madragana was Moorish.
The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (where her ancestor, Madragana, was from) were of Syrian origin.
Those ''Moors'' belonged to the Umayyad caliphate (original from Damascus, Syria)
So, Queen Charlotte would have had some distant 'Moorish (Syrian)' ancestry, trought her ancestor Madragana (15-generations before)
@@sondrablackmon7470 That one drop rule mostly applies in the United States. In my opinion that rule has done a lot more to confuse us about race.
@@sondrablackmon7470 A rule invented by white supremacists in order to keep the "purity of the white race". And now black activists insist on this racist rule, if they think it supports the claim that an important historical person was black. The alleged black ancestor of Charlotte lived 13 generations before her. That would be one black ancestor among 8192. Literally 0.01% black and 99.99% white. If the alleged black ancestor would really be black, what for Charlotte isn't even the case.
But you can have Rhonda Rousey, if you insist on the white-supremacist-invented one drop rule.
And yes their were black moors royalty that were ran out of their country even Irish.
In 1952, Bro. J.A. Rogers published, Nature Knows No Color-Line: Research into the Negro Ancestry in the White Race. The cover features Black Queen Sophia Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz with more pronounced features that showcases her Black ethnicity.
The Queen City, Charlotte in Mecklenburg County in North Carolina is named after her.
The Carolinas were reportedly named after British [England, Ireland, Scotland] Kings Charles I & II. They were of the House of Stuart reportedly a Black / Moorish House. Charles Town = Charleston, South Carolina is named after King Charles II, also known as, the Black Boy.
As time has gone on, white supremacists have rewritten, and bleached out portions of Black icons / history to fit their white supremacy propaganda. Case in point, in Western Europe, and the U.S., Jesus, and Mary are depicted with white a skin complexion.
In Eastern Europe / Russia; Jesus and Mary [the Madonna] are depicted with an unmistakable Black skin complexion to reflect how Egypt, Palestine, and Arabia was predominantly Black with 2,000 years of less racial mixing with those, whom we call Caucasians.
And according to Scripture [Black] Jesus went to hide in Egypt in Black Africa to hide from Herod, and the Roman government. 2,000 years later with an influx of Caucasians mixing across North Africa, and the so called Middle East, it is difficult for many to grasp said areas were once UNQUESTIONABLY Black lands.
Keep pouring cream in to a cup of BLACK coffee, and the coffee gradually loses its BLACK appearance, and potency. Choose to believe / disbelieve, what you will. Peace.
My father was a voracious reader. As far back as the 1970's he told me there had been a black queen in the British royal family. However I didn't see evidence of this until I attended an exhibit at the museum in my city. I walked for about an hour amongst all those beautiful paintings of royalty and nobility. But I swear to you literally I saw a portrait of a woman from across the room and I instinctively knew she was Charlotte Sophia the black queen I was told about. Now to be fair my father and I were both raised by his mother who was of mixed race from both sides of her parental family. Meaning when you' ve seen that look all your life you KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT. It's almost instinctive. Honest knowledge is Power !
Both her parents looked white. Yes there is a mixed mom 500 years ago was with king Alphonso of Portugal in the moms family but that would make a child black or mixed 500 years later is really rare
▪︎ And even that ''black'' ancestor (Madragana) wasn't black.
▪︎ She was Moorish of Syrian origin (and 15-generations before Charlotte)
The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (where her ancestor, Madragana, was from) were of Syrian origin.
Those ''Moors'' belonged to the 'Umayyad caliphate' (original from Damascus, Syria)
Nothing to do with black Africans.
@@tatianaoliveira2191 so how did they get that into an african😬
@@lindaefraim5895 because they hear the word ''Moor'' and assume black.
And because in her portraits, when younger, she seems to have fuller lips and curly hair.
I'm from Portugal, I studied the history of my country and the ''Moors'' were of Syrian origin, not black Africans
Queen Charlotte looks like a woman of colour to me❤🎉Just saying. We can imagine whatever we want to…don’t care what scholars say…at all.
I am Black & she looks like several of my cousins…all of whom are Black or mixed.
Youre right the traits can become recessive and will appear at will as by surprise. Actually, she was mentioned and her picture was featured in J.A. Roger's "100 amazing facts about the Negro" written in 1934. I read it back in the 1980s.
Thank you for that source!
When it comes to royals, bloodline is EVERYTHING. That's why a lot of them married their own cousins, trying to keep the bloodline pure. So there's no way in the world they would let the king back then marry a woman who was black or mixed race. Even a full blood white person born in a poor lower economic class family didn't have a chance, same with someone born out of wedlock. In arranged marriages like that, they carefully vetted every candidate and knew their family history. No one of mixed race or black ancestry would have been chosen back then. It's not like when you accidentally fall in love with someone who's mixed. This marriage was arranged and he married her the same day he met her. It was a blessing that they actually were perfect for each other and fell in love with each other. But every aspect of her life was carefully studied by the people who's only job was to find a good suitable wife for the king. They didn't just grab some random 17 year old girl and say wanna marry the king? LOL There were several candidates but she ticked all the right boxes. So there's just no way she was black or even mixed race. Especially during a time when slavery was happening too. And they chose well because Charlotte and King George III had a happy marriage, 15 kids and she stuck with him through thick and thin and through his madness. They were married for 60 years, till the day she died.
I wish it had been that storybook perfect, but it was not. While you are correct regarding Charlotte's lineage and the first 27 years of their marriage, the remaining 30 years were not happy.
The real Queen Charlotte hired Willis and allowed he and his sons to torture the King, over and over (naively trusting that a "doctor" knew best). When Edward and Ernest Augustus tried to stop it, she let the Willis brothers back in.
From 1804 onward, when the King displayed declining mental health (due to untreated Porphyria), Queen Charlotte slept in a separate bedroom, had her meals separate from him, and avoided seeing him alone.
She stopped visiting George six years before she died. She lived at Kew and he was at Windsor. Blind, deaf, and without any of his family.
@@livingincaptivityIII Yes, the story was very sad, definitely not fairy tale at all once he got ill. I also read that when he was mentally ill he was very verbally aggressive/mean towards her and even physically attacked her at least once while not in his right mind to where the doctors advised her not to be alone with him when he's ill. They said all of her hair turned gray almost overnight. I also read the oldest sons hired the doctors without her knowledge and was keeping her from seeing him and she had to fight to even be able to see him. The oldest son wanted to have him declared insane so he could take the throne and didn’t want Charlotte, his own mom, to get the power and she didn’t even want the power. So her and the oldest son were fueding for a while. So there was definitely a lot of chaos and confusion going on and hard to tell the reasons behind her actions. Here’s one of the letters she wrote to him when he was ill “My dearest King. Dr John Willis has made me very happy by putting into my Hands Your very Affectionnate Letter which contains Your approbation of my Conduct which both my Inclination & Duty led me to fullfill & which will never cease but with my Life. Our Separation must be & really is equally painfull to us both & happy as it would make me & Your Children to come & see You, The Physicians assure me that such a meeting ought not to take place at present & therefore am under the painfull Necessity to deprive myself of so Satisfactory a pleasure which would prove a happiness to Your truely [sic] attached Wife Charlotte.2”
I also read that he had severe dementia to where he didn't even know who Charlotte was anymore the last 10 years of his life and Charlotte's health was starting to decline too. I did read that once she knew she was dying she tried her best to get to see him one last time but died before she could get to him. “she was seized by an urgent need to be by his side one last time. The fact that her own health prevented her from doing so plunged her into misery.” They had to travel by horse and buggy back then no comfortable cars. The doctor made her stop off at Kew to rest before continuing on but she died there at Kew. Charlotte’s own health had deteriorated so badly that she was confined to Kew Palace. She suffered from dropsy, which causes painful swelling and eventual organ failure. She required round-the clock attendance by her physician.
The whole story was just sad. Things were really bad after he got sick.
@@livingincaptivityIII A good video on youtube that goes into more details about her bad adult sons and what they did when the king was ill is called The Scandalous Life Of Queen Charlotte. The 2 oldest sons were so bad.
It sure can pop up at anytime! I used to think it might have happened with my cousin who passed for white. "What if it popped out in one of her children?" I asked myself. I was a child when I learned this, so I never knew the end result. But I bet... 🙂 After so many years, why not? My great great grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee, and I had Native Americans tell me that they could tell I had native ancestry. Anywho... I remember seeing some documentary on Charlotte... can't remember where or when (maybe during the time of the Megan/Harry wedding time), but this was the topic. p.s. Love Bridgerton. As for Charlotte, I'll keep my thoughts to myself. 😉
There are instances of what you can describe as "throwbacks". My uncle, although some of his character reflected his father, was actually very much like his great-grandfather. I was astounded when I found an ancient photograph of the old grandfather who had exactly the same mouth - and twinkle in the eye. So he didn't favour his mother or father - but two generations behind them.
I am an interracial female and I was taught that it doesn't matter how little black blood there is in you it makes you black.
This was again reiterated to me by a nurse in the maternity ward when I gave birth to my daughter. Who called herself doing my daughter a favor by listing her race as Native American instead of black like I and my son are listed.
The nerve of that nurse.
@@yerushalom87 That's what I thought. But I didn't say anything because I knew in her own twisted way she was trying to be kind.
If you are born in America you are a Native American.
This is how I see it
You have a glass of water, you put a drop of Ribena in it and now it's Ribena, might be weak Ribena but still. The truth and technicalities don't matter, it's what people see you as that's gonna determine how you get treated and also your environment, who raised you and with what culture. Those racists catch you with a hint of afro hair they won't hesitate to hate. Not matter how fair in complexion you'll never be fully white or whatver you know the struggle...can't be too white for the white people and can't be to black for the black people🤣 or whatever race
Yes, but it doesn’t make you “all black”. A bi/multiracial person with black DNA is not a “black” person. They are MIXED.
I apologize for the length of this. But it is necessary to share, teach and inform you what you obviously do not know! I have been following this issue about Charlotte. PBS did documentary about her as well. So it is well documented that Queen Charlotte was bi-racial and proven because they (PBS) found that she has familial descendants in Portugal. Her lineage comes from the Moors. When I lived in Europe, I found that Europeans have a loooooong history with Africans because the Moors ruled & influenced what we know now as Europe. When AmeriKKKLan whites stop denying their own connections to their own historical black connections they will become at peace with their own spirit. You cant rewrite history. LEARN from it.
Revealed: the Royal's Black ancestors
Why do white folks particularly white AmeriKKKLans get so vexxed, who dont even know their own history and who many of themselves hv African unknowinglyDNA. It is not unfounded that she has Africa DNA.
I lived in Europe in the 80s and learned alot. Europeans have a long history with Moors who ruled, controlled and influenced what we now call Europe.
Let me enlighten you.
The Times of London reports that a Portuguese descendent of Queen Charlotte confirmed Valdes' research into her heritage. (June 6, 1999)
PBS frontline: www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/////////shows/secret/famous/royalfamily.html
No one thought Jennifer Beals was black until she herself told us. Why do white Amerikkkans get so vexxed? I learned a lot when I lived in Europe, and it really helped coming back home to exist in a nation of ignorant whites.
Queen Charlotte was not the first black Queen, she was the 2nd.
And think about this: We KNOW NO WHITE PERSON WLD EVER!!! HV THEMSELVES PAINTED AS an African-descended person with brown skin!!!! NEVER.
- So this is truly her portrait: www.sjc.ox.ac.uk/images/Queen_Charlotte_Sophia.original.jpg
- Documentary from the museum in ruclips.net/video/Wm6-DykUZZs/видео.html
- Her Portrait in the Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam Exibit of Africans in Europe: www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/my/collections/1813497--lisamb/africans-in-europe/objecten#/RP-P-OB-33.685,2
- Portrait in
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Prints_of_Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz#/media/File:Haid,_Johann_Philipp_-_Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz.png
- The Times of London reports that a Portuguese descendent of Queen Charlotte confirmed Valdes' research into her heritage. (June 6, 1999)
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/////////shows/secret/famous/royalfamily.html
Finally and what is most important!!! is that Queen Elizabeth DID ACKNOWLEDGE HER AFRICAN and ASIAN Ancestry!!! HAHA! Bet you didnt know this. In 1956, three years after Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, she referred to both her Asian and African bloodlines, the latter through Zaida, the wife of Alfonso VI of Castille, in an apologia defending her position as head of the British Commonwealth and “mother of a quarter of the population of the world.”
KNOW THE TRUTH TO SET YOURSELF FREE! WAKE UP, PLS!!!
Scholarly book by J.A. Rogers "Nature has no Colour Line" provides indepth scholarly research on this subject.
There is a map somewhere of her lineage and it goes way back to Portuguese heritage which her grandmother (?) was of African blood. Either way just looking at her you can tell something non-Caucasian is happening there. I would not say she's Black. Once you get to a point where you start to look entirely like another race, that mean your DNA isn't even half African, I don't think you can be called Black but that's what I think. My grandmother was near white and could have passed but she considered herself Black but that goes back to the one drop rule created by WP.
Created by American whites to keep their race pure. But it was ok not to keep the black race pure, so just throw the biracial offspring into the black category. Unfortunately blacks have played into this rule to this day. It seems most modern white people don’t care or even understand this rule.
Her Moorish Portuguese ancestor, Madragana, wasn't even a black African. She was a Moorish woman.
The Moors from the Iberian Peninsula weren't black, they were of Syrian descent (Umayyad caliphate).
Charlotte would have been a white woman with distant Moor (Syrian) heritage.
Terms like "black" and "white" are recent political designations that distort reality.
Here the reality: It takes EFFORT to paint a portrait.
No artist is going to painstakingly paint a portrait for a QUEEN that probably took days (if not weeks) to complete, that didn't satisfy her psychological needs (vanity)and political requirements (regardless of what she actually looked like). It would have been _very easy_ to paint her unambiguously "white". Either it didn't matter or it did matter and the actual Queen was _even more_ phenotypically "black".
This is reality: it is the _only_ speculation that you can reasonably count on.
@@tatianaoliveira2191 Once again your post make no sense. You comments are based on _'Begging the Question'_ fallacies and Availability Heuristics.
You _do not know_ what you're talking about.
@@stephencarter7266 neither do you.
Focus on your country's history... and leave others alone.
The reality is the whole human race is of African descent but this whole conversation is the product of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture. I wouldn’t see her as a black woman regardless but if this is how some people like to pass the time more power to them.
While I agree that every human has african ancestry, I still have to refute your comment. This debate is not a product of white Anglo-Saxon culture, but of black culture. It's a cringe debate afrocentrists start, who want to make every important figure in history black, for whatever reason. Beethoven is black (according to them), Cleopatra is black now and so on.
That theory has been debunked that humans all descended out of Africa
Do I think Queen Charlotte was bi-racial? Definitively no! Why? Because the very term bi-racial is an extension of the one-drop theory. Do I think she was black? No. Why? Because she was a very visible Queen, and a great socialite. If her portraits had been significantly different from the way she looked (even given the enormous wigs) then it would have been recorded, there was a famously wicked culture of lampooning and satire at the time, and she frequently fell victim to this but was reputedly a gossip herself. There were newspapers and pamphlets and engravings and peoples diaries, all sorts of things. She WAS said to have been dark, but the English understanding of dark was as opposed to fair. Someone who tanned in the summer, had darker hair and/or eyes, maybe had hair that only lightened in the sun might be called dark, if you freckled, or had milky skin year round, blue or grey eyes, then you were fair. Having said that I have actually met people whose families did have some African ancestry way back, there are a number of families in a part of Norfolk England, like this, their colour meets the criteria for fair, but some of them have quite frizzy hair and even occasionally broader features, a little like African features, but not fully so as there are now many generations passed. The two people I met would have been fairly like the portraits of .Charlotte. This of course is no proof, but these families did actually know their ancestry as far as I could tell, their families were featured many years ago in a tv programme, way before such things became discussed so much, maybe at the beginning of the 1980’s.
So do I think Charlotte could have had a tiny amount of African ancestry? Yes, it is a possibility. But was she black or African, no, I do not think so. In fact it was just not relevant - she had a considerable weight of other ancestry that secured her a place with nobility.
If you have a negligible percentage or fraction of African ancestry does it make you African, no of course not, maybe eight of nine hundred years of European acculturation would have long since wiped that out, and then you have to ask who else in that lineage, from her far off ancestor who apparently made it into the upper social echelons, came through the generations….. and how do you define that kind of dilution of ancestry, or even what was the other ancestry? For if it was among the nobility, and royal stock well the ancestry was extremely mixed. Might she have had more Tatar than African?
Anyway she could not be called bi-racial, race as a concept did not exist in her ancestors times. Tribalism did exist everywhere, and by heritage or heritance her ancestor’s offspring changed tribe. Got absorbed into a European tribe….., so instead of having a Moorish future it became a European one. And as a Moor the black ancestry her ancestor had was also probably quite far back in his own history, given that there was a far higher likelihood of him having Central Asian/Arab heritance. And all of these groups were not even named that way!
There are definitely European people with tiny traces of African ancestry who have no history of Africa at all. Would they or we call them Black? I really really doubt it.
In the meantime in the present we are still arguing about what people are when they are one two and thee generations into being mixed in skin tone….. in a lot of ways I think we are far less cool about things than people were in the distant past.
I read somewhere this week that in the U.K. people of Norman ancestry are still more likely to have significantly more property and financial assets than those with non Norman ancestry a thousand years after they got to Britain. Showing that the really dividing point is wealth or the absence of it. It drives every other ‘ism’, and it is time we started serious work on that. Globally became a grownup species that understands what is needed.
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Charlotte's ''black'' Portuguese ancestor wasn't even black. Madragana was Moorish.
The ''Moors'' that were in Portugal (where her ancestor, Madragana, was from) were of Syrian origin.
Those ''Moors'' belonged to the Umayyad caliphate (original from Damascus, Syria)
So, Queen Charlotte would have had some distant 'Moorish (Syrian)' ancestry, trought her ancestor Madragana (15-generations (600 years) before Charlotte's birth)
I applaud your endeavor and your curiosity, but this is hard for you because you were raised white. In the Black community, we recognize even the smallest black features because we are used to having family members of different skin shades and facial features. This is new to white people, but not us. We all have family members who could have chosen to pass. Speaking for myself, I was taught by my mother, who is about 38% white 12% Native American that passing occured. Her father was 1/4 black, 1/2 white, and 1/4 Native American. Her mom also had a mixed background through one parent. My mom was born in 1936, her mother 1900, and her father 1878. Both deceased, obviously, yet imagine the stories my mother was taught. My mom even taught me how to recognize the descendents of those who had "passed" from their miniscule black features. She knew this because her aunt, with the same admixture as my mom's dad, ended up having children, unmarried, with a white partner. So what do you think that set of 1st cousins of my mom looked like, well let's just say in the words of LA Creole... Passe Blanc! The portrait of Queen Charlotte looks Black to black folks; we recognize her. Also, as far as Queen Charlotte's offspring, if the father or other parent is white each generation, then any noticeable traces of black features would be washed out.
Well, the African ancestor in question would've been North African, which is to say, not black.