I own 2 Pagani clomages - a rose gold Daytona on Oysterflex and a Moonwatch on sailcloth. Paid $60 for each. Since my Rolex AD can't get me a Daytona, I'm happy to own a Pagani version. I wear it and it often gets admiring compliments :) I admire the iconic status of the Moonwatch, with its historic ties to the space program, but I wouldn't wear one as I don't like the way they fit my wrist. However, having a Pagani version in my collection (for display purposes) makes me quite happy. Cheers!
Agreed. I think that’s the exact purpose of a clomage. You can’t get your hands on the real version… But you’re also not pretending that what you own is the real version. You get all the benefits of ownership.
Plan to check out the sales this week. I like watches that have come up with their own design. I like the idea of wearing a clone in high risk areas, where luxury watches might be stolen.
True. Just don’t wear it in too dangerous of an area… I wouldn’t want to get in trouble or danger. These clones look close enough to the original it could definitely get you unwanted attention.
I do enjoy my Pagani pieces as much as my Rolex pieces. I don't have to worry about breaking or losing a Pagani, the same cannot be said about my Rolex pieces. Excellent quality for the buck and some I have haven't missed a beat in over 4 years. Seiko movements in most too.
I pick one up 5 years ago wasn't thinking about it looking like a clone I just like to design it has lasted well was eating curious about the 200-meter water resistant so wild deep sea fishing for just over an hour put it online 190 m held up just fine craftsmanship is good no complaints here
To be fair… The quality between a true luxury item and a clone is not the same. Not even close. The heft and feel of a Panerai is far more substantial than this watch. So, if you’re expecting Panerai quality… I think you’d be disappointed. But, if you’re familiar with Seiko quality… I think it’s pretty similar. Definitely great quality for the ~$100 price tag.
I think the 400$ Swiss homage/clone of a Submariner I bought about 6 years ago is now close to (or maybe outshined by) stuff you can get for around the 100-200$ mark now from Chinese brands like Pagani. But now also for around 85$ (plus one time expense of 25$ for some tools) you are able to buy the parts needed from China to build watches that rival (or in some ways outshine) my 400$ homage/clone (the bracelets looks superior with polished center links, glidelock style adjustments, and better tapering for example). Amazing what these chinese brands are able to pull off.
That was my initial plan when I reached out to AliExpress. I asked them if I could choose from all their parts, cases, movements, and build my own custom watch. Initially they agreed… But it turned into a complicated endeavor. So I opted for the easier alternative… Just highlighting Pagani Design. Maybe later AliExpress will reach out to me again and I can make a custom watch with their parts.
Whats wrong with people that dont have thousands to blow on a watch to have a watch they can afford and enjoy that closely resembles the expensive watches?
@PocketWatchTime I've got 12 pagani watches, I could afford a rolex but I don't see the point, I don't buy them for the brand name, I buy them because I like how they look. People are too hung up on these high end watches, it's about enjoying them not how much they cost
For affordability and style that mirrors luxury, I'd opt for a Pagani watch. Choosing it offers the allure of high-end design at a fraction of the cost, allowing me to accessorize with sophistication without breaking the bank.😂
Who said you can’t enjoy a fake…eh, replica? The growing popularity of quality replicas watches should tell you that some people are just as happy, if not happier, wearing a watch they couldn’t otherwise afford. Or in some cases not willing to spend a wad of money on. Clone, homage, clomage… I love em all. No one cares what you have on your wrist but you.
I understand your point. But, I still can’t support full fakes. Plenty of homages and clomages that can satisfy the itch of a great watch without actually stealing every aspect of that watch.
As a watch enthusiast who has had everything from cheaper from Timex all the way up to Omega Speedmaster. I can say for at least myself these "clomage" watches just cement that you want the original thing even more. Nothing can replace the feel of having the real thing or OG on wrist.
I can’t argue with that. The fit and feel… And just to be honest the namebrand recognition of a true luxury watch makes it feel luxury. Another commentor mentioned making your Ford look like a Ferrari… I guess it’s the same with a “kit car”. You know the car underneath isn’t that good… But you put a pretty exterior package on it. Do you enjoy driving it?
@@PocketWatchTime Many luxury brands use an ETA movement. You aren't buying either the original or knock-off to get the best timekeeping, that would be a quartz. So, if you are buying the style, to show off to others, get a clone/homage; if you are buying it for the heritage and the joy it gives you, get an original (even a lesser brand). Now I'll put a twist on your Ferrari example: In vintage Ferraris, the drivetrain is largely the same but the details and bodies are different. There is a cottage industry of craftspeople converting lesser Ferraris into 'better' ones. A common example is starting with a Ferrari 250GTE (a 2+2, sort of a 4 seater in the way Porsche 911s are 4 seaters) and disposing of the body and reworking the rest into a 250GTO. The first is worth 1/3 to 1/2 a million dollars, the second as a conversion is worth the same but replicates a 40 million dollar car. The funny thing is you took a pretty (in person - not as great in pictures) original vintage Ferrari and destroyed it's heritage to create a 'replica' - its still a Ferrari and you can will impress more people (who don't know) with the 'replica' but you'll be invited to more events with the 'lesser' original with a real history. From the driver's seat, you're driving a vintage Ferrari with either. Personally, the history of the original speaks to me and the road car seats are much more comfortable. Also most new cars that are 1/10th the price will out-perform the vintage Ferraris but aren't as fun...
@@PocketWatchTime Old stuff is fun, whatever it is. Old, hand built cars are a different but equivalent rabbit hole to watches. Think of each vintage Ferrari as a piece unique; they were all made to order. For perspective, they now make about twice as many Ferrari's each year than they did under the entire 20+ year duration of Enzo Ferrari's ownership. They were all made by hand back then and many of the early ones are known by their serial number (not just their model). For example they made a total of 36 Ferrari 250GTO from 1962 to 1964, each was physically slightly different when new. The same goes for each of the other vintage Ferraris. Think of them as Patek minute repeaters - each has a different case and slightly different sound when chiming, but all beautiful in their own way.
I'm not sure what makes the Panerai a clone and not an homage, based on the definition you gave at the beginning. That watch is in NO way virtually the same as the original; which the other two obviously are. Heck, the Panerai is way more unique than the Zenith you flashed on screen at the beginning
You’re right. I made a small comment that the Panerai was not like the rest of the watches in the video… But, the theme of the video was Pagani makes clones. The Panerai is definitely an exception to that rule. Maybe that’s why I liked the Panerai the best?
I’m not a fan of clones although there is nothing wrong with them as long as no design patents are violated (like the Panerai crown guard which I think is still patented). But I see no reason to buy one. A watch should stand on its own design merits, whether it’s a $30 Casio or Timex on up. Buy an original design imo.
I agree with this too. But, I do make an exception for the super value purchase. What about the individual who wants a stylish watch in the $50-$100 watch space. There is not much out there. This is where Pagani design has some merit for me. You’re not pretending it’s original… But you’ll never own a $10,000 watch… You’ll probably never even own a $500 watch. The world economy just doesn’t allow those kind of purchases for most people.
For me, whether clone of fake, it's a constant reminder on the wrist that it isn't the real thing. So while the price is always tempting (and I could see getting one to figure out if you want the real one), I resist buying them now, after selling the one I got (and losing a ton of money).
@@MrZanzibar123 I personally don’t buy or collect clone watches (or homage watches really). However, I know I’m fortunate enough that I can afford a nice collection and many people can’t. I think clones are the perfect fit for this group who wants a nice looking watch but doesn’t want to (OR CANNOT) afford a watch over $100.
That rabbit hole is dangerous… There’s a good chance some of the cases and bracelets made for these Pagani watches are the same manufacturers that actually make some of the Swiss brand bracelets, etc. A brand only has to have a very small percentage made in Switzerland to be called “Swiss Made”.
@@PocketWatchTime I don't know what you consider a very small percentage. They have to produce at least 60% in Switzerland to call it Swiss made. Luxury brands like Rolex produce everything in Switzerland.
Yes, I’m aware it’s 60%. I think that’s pretty small. If you were to take an examination and score a 60% that would not be passing. If you mixed 60% petrol and 40% some other material in your gas tank… Your car would not run. And if you only remembered 60% of your wife’s birthday… There would be an obvious fight. 🤣
Well its a Well known fact that's the Swatch group has been outsourcing from China for years. That's why I won't touch them at least Rolex is 100p Swiss made
It’s scary to think how cheap some of these overpriced watches can be… If China can make a full wrist watch and sell it for $75… How much are we overpaying? Doesn’t mean I’m going to stop buying anytime soon… But, I like to think I’m not an ostrich with my head in the sand.
So if you don't have the money, DONT buy the original. You're riding on the design, research, history of somebody else. Also, you wouldn't put fiberglass panels to your ford to make it look like a Ferrari, would you? Clones are 🤮
True. Best not buy aviator sunglasses unless they are Rayban. Or jeans unless they are Levi. Or a dive watch unless it’s a BlancPain. Or touch screen phones unless it an Apple. Or…..or…….or…….. no such thing as original designs in watches anymore. All variations of themes.
I completely get both sides of the argument… Are Pagani watches complete legal thievery… Absolutely. But I think it was the moonswatch that changed everything for me… That’s legal thievery at its finest and nobody seemed to care.
@@PocketWatchTime fair. Luxury watch makers are then also committing ‘legal thievery’ (if this is actually a thing!) by charging thousands for watches that many other ‘homage/clone’ brands prove don’t need to cost a tenth of that price. A submariner for £10k??? Give me a break!! A moon watch for £8k? Absolute nonsense!! A damn Panerai for £15k? Might as well burn £12k. These arguments are silly though. If something is legal is legal. End. It’s legal to copy certain designs - it’s legal to charge extortionate prices for no reason. It’s legal to buy whatever the hell you like.
@@PocketWatchTime it’s the same company…as you know. So is not illegal copying, lol. As far as I know omega didn’t want, but had no choice but to follow the company (swatch) directive!
I own 2 Pagani clomages - a rose gold Daytona on Oysterflex and a Moonwatch on sailcloth. Paid $60 for each. Since my Rolex AD can't get me a Daytona, I'm happy to own a Pagani version. I wear it and it often gets admiring compliments :) I admire the iconic status of the Moonwatch, with its historic ties to the space program, but I wouldn't wear one as I don't like the way they fit my wrist. However, having a Pagani version in my collection (for display purposes) makes me quite happy. Cheers!
Agreed. I think that’s the exact purpose of a clomage. You can’t get your hands on the real version… But you’re also not pretending that what you own is the real version. You get all the benefits of ownership.
Love Pagani Designs and Steinhart!
@@cletusberkeley9441 This was my first experience with Pagani. I’ve never tried a Steinhart.
I have a Pegani design, love it. Quality is pretty decent.
@@husseinadib7666 I agree. Quality not bad.
I personally love these watches and I already got one! It looks good with very nice prices and it really suits with my outfits
Definitely gives you the ability to buy multiple watches to suit your fashion.
Plan to check out the sales this week. I like watches that have come up with their own design. I like the idea of wearing a clone in high risk areas, where luxury watches might be stolen.
True. Just don’t wear it in too dangerous of an area… I wouldn’t want to get in trouble or danger. These clones look close enough to the original it could definitely get you unwanted attention.
I do enjoy my Pagani pieces as much as my Rolex pieces. I don't have to worry about breaking or losing a Pagani, the same cannot be said about my Rolex pieces. Excellent quality for the buck and some I have haven't missed a beat in over 4 years. Seiko movements in most too.
True. It is nice wearing a watch that you don’t have to worry about sometimes.
Pagani Design 1701 It has the same numerical code as the Enterprise from Star Trek
I definitely love any Star Trek reference. 🤓
I liked the non-speedie the best, and knowing it has a great bracelet would be a dealmaker if I was not eyeing a LV (joking! 😁😇). Great review!
Haha. 🤣 Definitely go for the LV.
I pick one up 5 years ago wasn't thinking about it looking like a clone I just like to design it has lasted well was eating curious about the 200-meter water resistant so wild deep sea fishing for just over an hour put it online 190 m held up just fine craftsmanship is good no complaints here
That’s good to know… I was always curious about the water resistance for a clone/homage.
Agreed .
Thanks. 🙌🏻
I'm curious of your perception of quality between the Pagani/Panerai? Neither do much for me but, I think if I liked the style, I'd wear the Pagani.
To be fair… The quality between a true luxury item and a clone is not the same. Not even close. The heft and feel of a Panerai is far more substantial than this watch. So, if you’re expecting Panerai quality… I think you’d be disappointed. But, if you’re familiar with Seiko quality… I think it’s pretty similar. Definitely great quality for the ~$100 price tag.
I think the 400$ Swiss homage/clone of a Submariner I bought about 6 years ago is now close to (or maybe outshined by) stuff you can get for around the 100-200$ mark now from Chinese brands like Pagani.
But now also for around 85$ (plus one time expense of 25$ for some tools) you are able to buy the parts needed from China to build watches that rival (or in some ways outshine) my 400$ homage/clone (the bracelets looks superior with polished center links, glidelock style adjustments, and better tapering for example).
Amazing what these chinese brands are able to pull off.
That was my initial plan when I reached out to AliExpress. I asked them if I could choose from all their parts, cases, movements, and build my own custom watch. Initially they agreed… But it turned into a complicated endeavor. So I opted for the easier alternative… Just highlighting Pagani Design. Maybe later AliExpress will reach out to me again and I can make a custom watch with their parts.
Whats wrong with people that dont have thousands to blow on a watch to have a watch they can afford and enjoy that closely resembles the expensive watches?
Exactly - I don’t have a problem with homages or clomages. I agree… Not everyone has $1000, $2000, or over $5000 for a luxury watch.
@PocketWatchTime I've got 12 pagani watches, I could afford a rolex but I don't see the point, I don't buy them for the brand name, I buy them because I like how they look. People are too hung up on these high end watches, it's about enjoying them not how much they cost
For affordability and style that mirrors luxury, I'd opt for a Pagani watch. Choosing it offers the allure of high-end design at a fraction of the cost, allowing me to accessorize with sophistication without breaking the bank.😂
I already have one. I pretty sure you are right haha
Definitely true. You can fill a watch box for under $500.
Which one do you have?
@@PocketWatchTime the pagani design one haha
I'd take the Pagani over the plastic Moon Swatch anyday. Those things really looks cheaply made, they just slap Omega logo.
I agree. I tried the MoonSwatch a couple times… I couldn’t live with it. I sold them off
Who said you can’t enjoy a fake…eh, replica? The growing popularity of quality replicas watches should tell you that some people are just as happy, if not happier, wearing a watch they couldn’t otherwise afford. Or in some cases not willing to spend a wad of money on. Clone, homage, clomage… I love em all. No one cares what you have on your wrist but you.
I understand your point. But, I still can’t support full fakes. Plenty of homages and clomages that can satisfy the itch of a great watch without actually stealing every aspect of that watch.
Alli watches nough said
I get your point.
As a watch enthusiast who has had everything from cheaper from Timex all the way up to Omega Speedmaster. I can say for at least myself these "clomage" watches just cement that you want the original thing even more. Nothing can replace the feel of having the real thing or OG on wrist.
I can’t argue with that. The fit and feel… And just to be honest the namebrand recognition of a true luxury watch makes it feel luxury. Another commentor mentioned making your Ford look like a Ferrari… I guess it’s the same with a “kit car”. You know the car underneath isn’t that good… But you put a pretty exterior package on it. Do you enjoy driving it?
@@PocketWatchTime Many luxury brands use an ETA movement. You aren't buying either the original or knock-off to get the best timekeeping, that would be a quartz. So, if you are buying the style, to show off to others, get a clone/homage; if you are buying it for the heritage and the joy it gives you, get an original (even a lesser brand).
Now I'll put a twist on your Ferrari example:
In vintage Ferraris, the drivetrain is largely the same but the details and bodies are different. There is a cottage industry of craftspeople converting lesser Ferraris into 'better' ones. A common example is starting with a Ferrari 250GTE (a 2+2, sort of a 4 seater in the way Porsche 911s are 4 seaters) and disposing of the body and reworking the rest into a 250GTO. The first is worth 1/3 to 1/2 a million dollars, the second as a conversion is worth the same but replicates a 40 million dollar car.
The funny thing is you took a pretty (in person - not as great in pictures) original vintage Ferrari and destroyed it's heritage to create a 'replica' - its still a Ferrari and you can will impress more people (who don't know) with the 'replica' but you'll be invited to more events with the 'lesser' original with a real history.
From the driver's seat, you're driving a vintage Ferrari with either. Personally, the history of the original speaks to me and the road car seats are much more comfortable. Also most new cars that are 1/10th the price will out-perform the vintage Ferraris but aren't as fun...
Great example. I don’t know the history of Ferrari and their models… definitely an interesting concept.
@@PocketWatchTime Old stuff is fun, whatever it is. Old, hand built cars are a different but equivalent rabbit hole to watches.
Think of each vintage Ferrari as a piece unique; they were all made to order. For perspective, they now make about twice as many Ferrari's each year than they did under the entire 20+ year duration of Enzo Ferrari's ownership. They were all made by hand back then and many of the early ones are known by their serial number (not just their model). For example they made a total of 36 Ferrari 250GTO from 1962 to 1964, each was physically slightly different when new. The same goes for each of the other vintage Ferraris.
Think of them as Patek minute repeaters - each has a different case and slightly different sound when chiming, but all beautiful in their own way.
I'm not sure what makes the Panerai a clone and not an homage, based on the definition you gave at the beginning. That watch is in NO way virtually the same as the original; which the other two obviously are.
Heck, the Panerai is way more unique than the Zenith you flashed on screen at the beginning
You’re right. I made a small comment that the Panerai was not like the rest of the watches in the video… But, the theme of the video was Pagani makes clones. The Panerai is definitely an exception to that rule. Maybe that’s why I liked the Panerai the best?
📲👍🌸👋 Pagani watch.
Glad you enjoyed the video
I’m not a fan of clones although there is nothing wrong with them as long as no design patents are violated (like the Panerai crown guard which I think is still patented). But I see no reason to buy one. A watch should stand on its own design merits, whether it’s a $30 Casio or Timex on up. Buy an original design imo.
I agree with this too. But, I do make an exception for the super value purchase. What about the individual who wants a stylish watch in the $50-$100 watch space. There is not much out there. This is where Pagani design has some merit for me. You’re not pretending it’s original… But you’ll never own a $10,000 watch… You’ll probably never even own a $500 watch. The world economy just doesn’t allow those kind of purchases for most people.
For me, whether clone of fake, it's a constant reminder on the wrist that it isn't the real thing. So while the price is always tempting (and I could see getting one to figure out if you want the real one), I resist buying them now, after selling the one I got (and losing a ton of money).
@@MrZanzibar123 I personally don’t buy or collect clone watches (or homage watches really). However, I know I’m fortunate enough that I can afford a nice collection and many people can’t. I think clones are the perfect fit for this group who wants a nice looking watch but doesn’t want to (OR CANNOT) afford a watch over $100.
Oh hell no
It’s not for me either… But, I think it’s an alternative for someone who will never spend more than $100 for a watch.
So, a watch company that buys the same pieces used to make the counterfeits and screen prints their name on the dial. Personally not a fan
That rabbit hole is dangerous… There’s a good chance some of the cases and bracelets made for these Pagani watches are the same manufacturers that actually make some of the Swiss brand bracelets, etc. A brand only has to have a very small percentage made in Switzerland to be called “Swiss Made”.
@@PocketWatchTime I don't know what you consider a very small percentage. They have to produce at least 60% in Switzerland to call it Swiss made. Luxury brands like Rolex produce everything in Switzerland.
Yes, I’m aware it’s 60%. I think that’s pretty small. If you were to take an examination and score a 60% that would not be passing. If you mixed 60% petrol and 40% some other material in your gas tank… Your car would not run. And if you only remembered 60% of your wife’s birthday… There would be an obvious fight. 🤣
how is this legal? they copyright designs.
I don’t really know. I guess the companies are protected by their countries of origin.
Well its a Well known fact that's the Swatch group has been outsourcing from China for years. That's why I won't touch them at least Rolex is 100p Swiss made
It’s scary to think how cheap some of these overpriced watches can be… If China can make a full wrist watch and sell it for $75… How much are we overpaying? Doesn’t mean I’m going to stop buying anytime soon… But, I like to think I’m not an ostrich with my head in the sand.
@@PocketWatchTimeBrotha I absolutely 💯 agree with you
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So if you don't have the money, DONT buy the original. You're riding on the design, research, history of somebody else. Also, you wouldn't put fiberglass panels to your ford to make it look like a Ferrari, would you? Clones are 🤮
True. Best not buy aviator sunglasses unless they are Rayban. Or jeans unless they are Levi. Or a dive watch unless it’s a BlancPain. Or touch screen phones unless it an Apple. Or…..or…….or……..
no such thing as original designs in watches anymore. All variations of themes.
I can’t get the images of fiberglass panels on a Ford out of my mind. Comment of the day. 🏆
I completely get both sides of the argument… Are Pagani watches complete legal thievery… Absolutely. But I think it was the moonswatch that changed everything for me… That’s legal thievery at its finest and nobody seemed to care.
@@PocketWatchTime fair. Luxury watch makers are then also committing ‘legal thievery’ (if this is actually a thing!) by charging thousands for watches that many other ‘homage/clone’ brands prove don’t need to cost a tenth of that price. A submariner for £10k??? Give me a break!! A moon watch for £8k? Absolute nonsense!! A damn Panerai for £15k? Might as well burn £12k.
These arguments are silly though. If something is legal is legal. End. It’s legal to copy certain designs - it’s legal to charge extortionate prices for no reason. It’s legal to buy whatever the hell you like.
@@PocketWatchTime it’s the same company…as you know. So is not illegal copying, lol. As far as I know omega didn’t want, but had no choice but to follow the company (swatch) directive!
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Hopefully about the watches and not my review. 😁 Thanks for watching. 🙌🏼
@@PocketWatchTime yes the watches. Your reviews are always good.
Thank you. 🙏
Fake watches weared by fake people. „Wannabe rich” Daytona for 100$
I get what you’re saying… but what about costume jewelry? Is it wrong to look nice and dress up without having to spend thousands of dollars to do it?
@@PocketWatchTime you may pick up Casio, Timex, Citizen, Seiko or anything without stolen design and still look classy.