Did Hwoarang Deserve To Be NERFED?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- K-Wiss discusses Hwoarang's recent nerfs in Tekken 8
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I think the worst part is that patch notes said that since Hwoarang isn't overperforming they gave him some compensatory buffs but you check the list and it's mostly nerfs
They think giving him +3 damage on the 4, which is now even more punishable, is a buff.
Its definitely not
@@yuriteixeira5816 For the record, I don't mind the changes that much, but I feel like I was being lied to
I don't think that Hwoarang deserved a nerf. But I think that if Hwoarang's opponent has read this unreactable bullshit, he deserves his launcher as reward. The same for other nerfed in such way characters. Don't play predictable.
I can’t tell you the amount of times I’m low partied by good jins. The move was fine as was it was fun to blend now it’s a once a round use if that because the risk isn’t worth 90 damage to the face
@comewatchmediealot welcome to every other low-high in the game
some stuff may be unreactable, but it was predictable. if down 3 hits, only 4 is going to hit after, or else you go into flamingo and you just added 15 frames to a move.
@@yuriteixeira5816 "Some stuff may be unreactable but PLAYERS can be predictable"
*Fixed
when you main Hwoarang, there are actually lot of characters that r just busted. And yes people dont know how to play against him, he is very specific. You can learn tekken but fail against hwoarang as he has such options. But when you just learn basics against hwoarang hwoarang has NOTHING like seriously nothing that he cuold do. To say Hwoarang is busted. DUDE GET OUT OF YOUR RED RANK already. shit players complaining and Namco Listening. Why Hwoarang gets so much hate i dont know why..seriously..WHY?
I taught a friend of mine that has been playing for years, the Hwoarang matchup. He couldn't deal with the character at all.
After some long matches and sessions, he would just straight up say that the character is actually very weak when you know the matchup.
And that's it.
People don't like to wait it seems.
I don’t understand either, there are other characters that deserved to be nerfed! Hwaorang been hated since tekken 3 unfair! Plus once you catch Hwoarang kicks and block his low he’s not that hard too beat! The patch is unfair messed Hwoarang up bad
If you really ask why hwoarang gets so much hate then It’s just self report.
they gave us a really good replay system, and no one uses it to learn in lower ranks, they rather complain instead of using a perfect system to see what you can do in certain situation lol
we should complain that kazuya's hell sweep oki is too hard to deal, who knows they might nerf it 💀
Hwoarang is one of the characters that doesn’t allow the vast majority of the community to play Tekken. The point of counter play is that it’s supposed to work. If you get the read on d3,4, stay ducking, and then launch punish with a 15f mid, that’s a difficult thing to accomplish. Very few players can do this consistently. Their reward for doing this was trading and taking some damage? That’s not fair, I’m sorry. So yes, hwoarang d3,4 getting nerfed was ABSOLUTELY necessary. I say this as a Gold Rank kazuya Main, so my TP launches every time I read correctly without issue. I’m not complaining for my own sake. I’m complaining because counter play was lacking with hwoarang, and this change is a welcome one.
Kwiss energy seem so fresh and new, so positive, good vibes, love to see it. I dont play hwoarang but staying for the content anyway.
The timing and the disparity between him and the changes other characters I say no. If lots of characters got taken down a peg, I would be cool with it, but the insane buffs others got confused the shit out of me. Idk if I've even seen him make a top 8, like what?
Next patch, should make JFSR unsafe and give Jin his Laser Scraper and Hellsweep back.
Don't play Hwo, but I don't think he needed Nerfs. Jack and Paul, on the other hand, do way too much damage.
Either way, looking forward to seeing how you play him in the future or seeing which character you temporarily switch to.
It’s unbelievable why they gave Paul a buff
The issue for me, at least with hawrang is that labbing and learning to fight him is astronomically harder to do than any other character, there is just way too much to know compared to any other
I don't really understand their balance decisions in general tbh. Pretty questionable so far. Honestly, they're not really hiding their biases. Alisa has never gotten a serious nerf...ever! Zafina and Lars got shallow buffs, while Asuka, Azucena YOSHIMITSU, KING, and paul got in depth buffs. They gave Lili another version of f4 ffs lol. I think Hwoarang has the most shallow nerf so far. It makes me wonder if anyone in the Tekken team has even touched this character. I like the system change, I've been praying for a deletion of heat burst or at least a nerf, and we got that. Yay! But I'm side eyeing all the character balance decisions.
Alisa Lars and king not getting meaningful healthy changes is wild to me.
I mean, King did get nerfs along with the buffs. Just saying.
Crazy how the narrative gets switched so fast
In order to counter this, doesn't the player need to instinctively crouch block an i17 (unreactable) low?
No they don't. You just need to duck the 4 and launch him with a wr launcher.
@@insomniackiller1 how fast is the d3?
@@insomniackiller1d3,4 is natural. If the low hits, the high is guaranteed
@@shadowfrces3171 I guess what I'm getting at is, can you react to the d3? Because if it's too fast to react to, then players who predict it should be well rewarded.
D34 on its own should have different properties than when it comes off of flamingo have it be stagger low if unseeable but buff it if it hits with the counter hit property launching he’ll sweep b3 and flaps like t7 then off flamingo its safer harder to punish but works how it does offensively
Yes he did it a nightmare fighting hwoarang so many jailing low high strings
Normally, a mid high or low high string has a lot of recovery when ducked and you will get easily launched by a good player. Why should a low high jailing plus af move be safer than those normal mid high / low high. Just because it doesnt knockdown / wallsplat? It unlocks Hwo's oppressive vortex offense though. Its not like they removed his plus frames from it, d3,4 will still hit players regularly. It prevents heat burst and armor and stays a scary low where blocking mid forver is not an option. And it's not like blocking the low gives the blocker a stagger animation, you still have to be sharp and we will 100% see pros sleeping on that during tournament pressure. And remember you will get Skyrocket launched if you want to commit to blocking low.
Hwos just need to adjust now and condition mid more so people will be decentivized to block low ever. Its just like how they killed Xiaoyu's backturn having 0 safe homing options now and reliant on a 24f launch punishable low... just don't use the move so obsessively anymore and place them smart. Maybe mixup Hwo initiation and dont cling to d3,4 for all of your offense starters
Heres the thing, what lows are you scared of in flamingo? D3,4 has little damage and not only does hellsweep not knockdown unless your in heator on CH, it leaves you -1in their face. Meanwhile fuzzy duck or side step him and you get a full launch if your right. If your wrong you just interact again. If you dont mash there are no scary mids that are safe in flamingo, skyrocket is only out of stance.
I agree that there are other characters that should have been nerfed more or rebalanced - but as a Hwoarang main - I think these nerfs are minor and fair (referencing d3,4 and df3,4). These are so minor that I don't think they are that serious of changes.
funny thing is I played 99% of Tekken 7 in treasure match, and I was constantly punished if I dared to try a D3-4 mix ^^
the CPU was unnaturally blocking this and the sweep like 90% of the time...
I hope that dude on stream got banned.
Who? K wiss?
@@makexut953 No, the one making stupid comments on the stream.
IMO all d3,4 style/low high attacks should "punish jail" (blocking the low should jail you long enough until the right time to ws punish)
Punishing should be as intuitive as possible in gereral. Tekken has too many exceptions to its rules and knowledge checks already IMO.
But im just a Ruler Rank Leo player, feel free to roast my shit take.
Got so use to the power crush being -12 gonna have to rewire myself 😂
I’m actually okay with the nerfs, I think df3,4 was too good as it was. D3,4 nerf isn’t gonna change anything for me because the majority of players don’t care to figure out how to deal with it anyway.
i personaly think that a player shouldnt be confused with weird unique interactions after already blocking a low, epecially since ducking is so risky. But -16 is way to much lol, just make the follow up high not come out when you block the low and make it -14 imo
When even in tournaments people fail to punish this move and eat either the powercrush or the flappy kicks you know there is something wrong. But nah, I guess not.
Other duckable strings (with 5 times less reward) are fine being relatively easy launch punish but this one is not. It's special somehow.
Salt is strong with this one.
Salt or not the nerf was was unwarranted people who complain about Hworang people who said he was busted are just bad at the game period.. like people don’t understand how linear he is.
@@LapisBun Or you are just a hwoarang player who gets hard carried by easy character.
@@JaykobDBD I play Reina dude try again my guy😒. This match up was already hard for him now it’s even harder.
I don't get why you defend broken nonsense Hwoarang, just because he's your main character. Could that perhaps be the reason why people are angry at you? Think about it. He's been terrorizing Tekken for many years, and he's the main character stopping Tekken from being fun to play. Almost nobody likes fighting him. You would have to be a Hwoarang main yourself to enjoy fighting him. It's stupid. He's broken and always will be broken. So, whatever nerfs he gets, I'm happy to see it. For once, Namco is finally listening to the players. If it was up to me, d3,4 would further be nerfed, and it would only be +3 or 4 on hit, and it would do half the damage it currently does, to make him more like a normal character. Also, he would lose his command throws to account for his insane offense. But unfortunately, I'm not currently the one in charge of things. STOOPID character.
Hwo needs a chunky low from crouch dash.
Do d34 lol
@@ChristsKeybladeputs you in a blender from it 🌚 but most good hwoarang know it’s predictable so they won’t abuse it
@@tekkn_579 yeah but he just meantioned a chunky low outta wavedash and d34 is that option
The nerf isn't enough. Hwoarang deserves to be deleted from the roster.
As a Steve main all I'm gonna say is "We take those". (Not biased AT ALL) :)
D3,4 should of had a buff honestly. If you refused to block it and just stand block then whatever 3rd hit we chose should be guaranteed.
That would be kinda OP lmao they should just revert it back to what it was
Short answer yes.
I would feel bad but ion got no stance on this im stickin with Azucena And Lidia until they potentially add Lei so it is what it is
we did not but a lot of ppl were crying cuz, u know whoarang just kicks and win
I think its fair to say that king also got some huge nerfs. His b3 follow ups were so strong that you could basically completely steam roll people with a single b3 or f3 connect and them guessing a safe oki wrong, which imo as a king player was his most broken tools. f4 had terrible hitbox and the wavedash is a no buff no nerf change imo, since he isnt considered prone anymore.
But back to Hwo, do you really think this will change things for you, since you play the highest level of tekken and everyone knows how to deal with hwo and how to punish d3,4. Imo this is a good change for intermediate players and maybe a lesson for all those fujin gatekeeper hwos that only know flowchart
Exactly. I'm just seeing complaining about King getting buffed, but maybe they just wanna ignore his nerfs lol
I don’t think the nerfs was that bad. Just more thinking involved, but usually you feel better when you make those big brain plays.
Hwo needs Baek’s full crouch d/f+4, 3, 3, 3 (~ can be cancelled to LFS)
The Hwo haters were partying. I feel like some players are just impatient. He has good pressure, but his punish game isn't the best. That, or i'm missing something..
Honestly d3,4 was always controvertial. On one side i feel for you since its your main etc, but on the other hand. Despite the risks, it always was one of the best if not the best low high in the game. Characters signature attacks need to be looked at while balancing everytime. Its like with Dragunov’s WR2 nerf. No one complained about WR2, but it was still adjusted. When it comes to balancing ‘this whole game’ i think theres more to it than just you after the patch labbing being like ‘oh no what im i supposed in this situation now if it happens. Its like, everyone is going through this. To put it in example now im gonna need to lab the d3,4 nerf so i can now set up my punish if i duck succesfully. And im playing Tekken for years up to this point react to d3,4 was just too fast for me you know. I know its ‘easier’ now for me, but i believe that many people like me cant pull out the perfect reactions everytime so, you know… I can see your concerns as a tourney competitor but we regulars play this game too.
I don't mean to be rude, but this is my first tekken game. I found out that hwoarang can flappy kick out of d3,4 mid match when it happened to me. In that same match I found the best counter that my character could do, and the Hwoarang didn't want to use it anymore. If a new player can do it mid match, whats everyones excuse when they have the replay system? Tourney competitors are just regulars that cared more.
Gonna slightly disagree in the beginning there with drag not getting big nerfs. While he wasn’t specifically targeted, the nerf to homing throws was absolutely a big nerf and also for sure justified. He already doesn’t have good tracking or homing utility so what little homing he had got further reduced. Not saying he’s bad by any means but this was indeed a big nerf.
EDIT: also kinda wish the d3,4 was only 15 instead of 16. I didn’t know the frame data for that pre nerf but 16 feels really lenient and too much so. If they want a launch punishable move it shouldn’t be getting launched by people who’s main staple ISNT punishing like Steve lol even Kazuya at his worst can hit one of his hardest launchers 😂
@@jonnysimpson093 ? No they weren’t. The only throws that are homing still outside generic 1 and 2 breaks are his string feint throws like 1,3,2,1+2 or ff2,1+2. Both his victor clutches and 1+2 break throw are all normal now.
HOW DID THE GANNONDORF OF TEKKEN GET BUFF BUT NOT HWO IS CRAZY TO ME!!!!!
he is still broken, he should get more nerfs
Honestly your just bad lmao
@@LapisBun you’re *
@@LapisBun tell me you’re hwoarang bot main without telling me you’re hwoarang main 🤣
@@JaykobDBDtell me how he's broken im curious.
@@penence347 way too oppresive for low effort, but you asking this just shows you got no self awareness. What rank are you?
Hwoarang was already highly punishable. The nerf makes no sense
The only “buffs” he got were for his WR attacks that weren’t even good. And they’re still not good.
hold up, what's the downplay that kazuya mains have been doing?
i've been more of TMM about Kazuya -- not downplaying his merits, acknowledging that he was good, but also not failing to acknowledge that other characters have absolutely ridiculously nice things at the same time.
most (quantity) of kazuya's buffs, thoguh, were "fixes", were they not? heat timer consumption stuff (notably not going into transitions) seem more like commonsense/logical things for us to prevent. and fixing DF1 just seems right/fair - esp given how stubby it is already.
You can now tornado after 1,1,2 at the wall and also have a guaranteed low (uf4) after df1,4 and if they try to get up it becomes a launcher
@@rafu9248 wasn't 1,1,2 just fixed so that the second 1 i less likely to randomly drop? the flash punch combo has never tornado'd to my knowledge and still doesn't. and yes, i know they made changes to DF1,4... a positive change and a negative change. giving it a guaranteed follow up, but also making it punishable on block now. I think you meant FF4 can be the guarantee'd hit, which can become a launcher if it's a CH though.
i'm not ignoring or discounting these, i was just saying that "most" of the changes/buffs with Kazuya were literally fixes or kind of common sense things for him to have had from the beginning (such as him not being forced to use up heat time by doing additional devil attacks [lasers] on certain moves).
I am very disappointed and displeased that they nerf Hwoarang, they are so messed up
I'm happy it was nerfed.
In line with other low high moves and removes his uniqueness. Hard to argue. All low high strikes are like that.😐. Will make those girl character (and those who identify as girl characters) fights even tougher now. Looks like Namco has decided to demote him to mid low this game and finally give Paul, Bryan, Kazuya, Nina, Feng and Steve a chance to be top tier 🙄.
I still feel drag and raina need to be nerfed more tbh
Idk why they did this, like Hwaorang imo was probably one of the MOST balanced characters in the game. Yeah he put you into a guessing situation but eventually he had to hit something that was punishable things that were hard to block were also super punishable. I mean are they not paying attention to the leaderboards? There are roughly 10 dragonovs in the top 50 on each board, how is that not a character over performing? 1/5th of your leaderboard is a single character and one of the most boring characters at that. He's not fun to watch, he's not fun to play against, he's linear and boring and while he plays Tekken 8 well it's because his offense is absurdly oppressive but naw Hwaorang's d+3, 4 that was the problem... a move that already could be punished that was the problem.
I will always up-play Victor no matter what, he is top 4. 🗡️ Chevalier boys 🗡️
really and truly
I guess ws3 is a little bit better? :P
Hwoarang is not possible to play unless you are pro level. I was getting my ass kicked at bushin and that nerf sealed the deal for me.
good joke
should be launch punishable from t3. I see no reason why this move could trade with i15 punish all this time.
I love tekken 8 but this games balance is the epitome of garbage, “let’s nerf characters that are fine and then buff characters that the community has been complaining about”😃 like come on bro🤦🏽♂️ it’s like they don’t play their own game
hot take his df 3 4 and d3 4 should be nerfed... buuut give him back full combo on backlash
Idk but Steve deserved every buff😂
If you do D3,4 and someone got the read he should be rewarded. It’s not that difficult to grasp, right? Saying other characters are broken doesn’t make this nerf less of a priority. This is good for the game and df3,4 should be punishable. Now it is. Hwoarang is still good.
If you have the read you can low parry, step left and launch, duck launch, orbital. How much more do you need?
@@R_J8you need a lazy fat ass window to get your big launcher off for 90 damage punish on a risky move that only has true 50/50 worth a damn when in heat. 123d34 😅 like people weren’t low parrying that anyway I will be scraping all my damage with 12f3 and 43 punish now
Ah finally ,a scapegoat. Bow say he sucks and switch characters! Lets buff him a lil lmao😂
At least Lidia is coming out for you
YES HE DID. Yes. This doesn't change anything for top players who could already punish (and launch) d3,4 on reaction. This only affects intermediate players who struggled.
Hwo mains are crying because now they can't do this move on autopilot, which many Hwo players found themselves doing. Now, you will have to think twice before initiating your insane pressure and mix up, plus you already have so many tools for your character. Stop downplaying and stop complaining now.
what other tools?
What tools bruv? D3,4 is his main engager which already had a lot of risks. Why nerf it?
Looks like a lot of hwos kicked your butt😂😂 but seriously lets forget about the good players who are already in golden ranks talk about the ones who are still learning this character and after a lot of beating they master this initiator and now the game says its nerfed how fair is that? If you nerf all over the board then thats fine but buffing insanely other players and nerfing the one who wasn't even top tier
@@babayaga9805 My character (lili) got nerfed as well, so I don't care, I think a lot fo characters escaped the nerfs for 6 months until S2 which is crazy. But Hwoarang's d3,4 should have always been that way, so I think it's perfect now. Plus it deals now more damage on hit.
@@Cazaraceskill issue
Yes
Nah I play Hwo you can deadass crouch cancel Df2 his d 3,4 like bro it’s too much
The nerf got me stronger , hwo has other great tool/poke , it is sad that i cant be spamming d3,4 or df3,4 BUT my verdict is to use other move. It is harsh that he got nerf and remove one of his identity. Like I said , the nerf got me stronger.
Ok which move instead?
Please delete the character.
yes he did bc its funny
Idc i was a lars main in tekken 7 adapt
I don't think that's the solution here. I don't want this happening in the future.
"Look how they massacred my boy." - K-Wiss Corleone
I have preface this by saying I don't play Hwoarang, nor do I enjoy fighting him. That being said, the nerfs Hwoarang needed sure as hell aren't the ones he got. Down 3,4 was annoying, but not nearly so insufferable it deserved this. Hwoarang isn't dead, but it's still a really harsh hit for a character Bamco themselves said wasn't overperforming.
🧂
Hwoarang players now have to think before pressing buttons.
nope, the character is still busted and plays the same nothing has changed.
I think the d3,4 is good for the casual gamers and not the sweats who need more precision to punish it . Good move by devs
They better give hwoa the craziest buff next patch for compensation
It will be no input jsfr bullshit
Answer to the title - Yes
Hwoarang deserve to be BUFFED.
Hell no he didn’t deserve to be nerfed and now he’s weaker than his Tekken 7 version and it’s not right
Yes. NEXT
Bro just accept the fact that some characters get nerfs because they are annoying to the player base and not necessarily because they are competitive . No one looks forward to playing against hworang. Now if they could do the same for Lars and Alisa we’d be alright .
Aye, leave my boi Lars alone. He doesn't need nerfs or buffs for that matter. (You can take away his DEN 3 being +5 tho, he didn't really need it. I don't use that move a lot anyway.)
Bro, Harada and Bamco are very frustrating with their behavior, improve Harada's favorite character, but after all, the game is not made for him! Now I just don't want to play this game, they disgust me with their behavior..... Are they smoking something?
I don't play hwoarang and I complain about him but him getting nerfed while some others are just escaping with murder is crazy
Brian, we’re looking right at you😂
@@kiddalmatiangawd8389 Bryan is the last person to escape with anything he is still trying to catch up.
Yes
The kazuya coalition got what they wanted, I propose we hwoarang connoisseurs employ a similar strategy and contact Mr.Murray. Perhaps with an equal message delivered by a brother?
Murray must be called the n word again
As a Kaz main I feel like this is exactly what yall need to do 😂 some other more deserving of nerf characters got away with murder it's actually insane 😂
They literally said hwoarang didn't perform well in the tournament so they F#&k him up XDDD
He really don't deserve this nerf there is other characters escaped from murder
" HWOARANG IS .... DEAD"
Raven T5 opening voice 😅
Now noobs and scrubs can't complain about losing to Hwoarang. and if they complain, THEY SUCK!
he is still easy at all levels and broken
@@JaykobDBD no he isn't once you figure Hworang out he's not that hard to beat.
This Nerf is warranted. It's the whole point of this game. The whole point of this game is to be easier for beginners. They don't want beginners going to learn stuff in practice mode and labbing because that is the part that beginners mostly dislike about fighting games.
Then nerf everyone. So many characters got a fuck ton of buffs, so many characters that are far worse didn't get nerfed. It's not warrented at all.
Then they should play other games.
@@melissamelissa1298 I personally think Tekken is losing its identity by making the game easier. One of the reasons I was drawn to this game as a beginner was cuz it was hard. even moving around is supposed to be hard
Nah. The issue with the character was the absurd flow chart and frames. He needed nerfs. At no point in the game should you be locked into block strings because the character doesn’t stop attacking but also a completely knowledge check for the one move that can get interrupted. Not even accounting for guard damage.
But he’s also right that those other characters needed to get nerfed
@@alexandermccalla5098 "At no point in the game should you be locked into block strings because the character doesn’t stop attacking" are we even playing the same tekken game
I love how you can't even discuss if a character should or shouldn't be nerfed without waves of dude bro's coming in with the counter bitching.
Welcome to the fgc 😂
This is the true Tekken
Is it me or does hwos inputs seem to more of an issue now? There's always been teething issues with the i puts in t8, but hwo just feels especially bad... i play raven, leo lee and steve, and none of them seem to have input issues near as much...
you might be taking too long for inputs. From what i played around in when choosing a main, he seems to have smaller input frame windows
@yuriteixeira5816 nothing like that. I can consistently hit blue sparks. If anything i might be too fast caause i find usually only the second input comes out lol
Nah dude I genuinely think you’re on to something. He’s more likely to whiff in general in now to the slight SSLs I labbed this for 2 hours yesterday because I thought I was crazy. From reset position, press 1, or do Right stance then DF4. These both now whiff
The inputs themselves feel less responsive but It could be my controller , but it genuinely feels off
@cimilienp i notice this too. It seems they've shaved like 0.1 distance or something
Tier list had nothing to do with hwoarang getting nerfs!............. Its because People always complain about Hwoarang so Namco bend the knee to the public to please them, which is a weak move.. King needed nerfs but got buffs because King is popular and Namco wants players to stick around longer..
I mean, King did some nerfs. But okay lol
@@marlinmurrell620 king got tradition mishima wavedash now. Do you even know the possibilities of kings mixup potential from wavedash now?? Its the biggest buff of all the characters
@TriNguyen-iu2vi Not exactly. They took away the wavedash's crouching status. So it's not exactly the same.
And then some of his command throws aren't homing anymore. And he doesn't get oki off of muscle buster now.
So it's not entirely buffs. I just think people either overlooked or ignored the nerfs the gave him.
Like; don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay King at all. He's still a top tier character. It's just that I'm seeing a lot of people just straight up not mentioning any of the nerfs they gave him.
@@marlinmurrell620 throws not tracking is a universal nerf to everyone, not just king. Muscle buster oki was broken and needed to be nerfed.
@TriNguyen-iu2vi Well yeah, but yknow, it's King. So command grab nerfs is an indirect nerf to King big time.
Hwoarang is a matchup I never had a hard time with, it’s very rare I run into a hwoarang player that gives me a hard time. Im surprised ppl even complain about this character , these nerfs were not needed.
I feel like he was more hard to Deal with in t7.
Whats your rank?
Because you don't play better hwos.
It's the casual audience complaining
i dunno what y'all talking about. Hwo got the biggest buff this season! Tellin' me the crouch dash woosh ain't OP. Like a playing card in bicycle spokes. It's about the psychological damage, m8.
It's the fact that they're nerfing riskier moves, while buffing characters like Paul and King in ways that are just less risk, more reward...while nerfing others for the same is just...
God this is so inconsistent. :/
Well deserved
I think that the nerfs would be warranted in a different game but not in this game, EVERYONE has OP bullshit so if you're nerfing characters to remove their OP shit they suddenly become un-usable in this game. If your character doesn't have some spice then your character is dead because they've gone with such an aggression based game model you need to be packing something.
i didn't saw the vid yet but yes
Nerfing riskiest move is crazy
Calling the old d34 "the riskiest move" is crazy 👀
hwo morons are delusional
@@raidenncwtf, it's definitely hwos riskiest starting string. It's super easy to punish, wr launchers have free reign against hwos d34. You don't even need to block the low, you can duck after and still wr launch him.
Imagine a low high not being risky :0
@@raidenncbro that shit its the moment u stop hwoarang for doing shit
Yes. He deserved nerfs. Now nerf Jin, Slutlyssa, Slutsuka, King, Paul, Kazuya, YoCheapCheatsu, Victor, Jun and Leo. May be missing one or two.
The bears probably anime boys raven and lars as well
I mean, they did give King some nerfs. But just pretend they don't exist lol
You missed that DF+3,4 is now HEAT ENGAGER punishable. Just block it and do a DF+3+4 punishment!!!
Yes you had an option to deal with it but it was too difficult. The same way backlash was technically punishable but kinda wasn't, d34 felt similar. I believe the punish should have been easier, as it is now.
I would have been happy for him to stay as is if his combo damage took a nerf instead though. Let him keep his antics and bullshit, that's kinda his identity. But his chip in heat is insane and then his combo damage and carry is outrageous, I would have preferred that be toned down a little instead.
It is also strange though that they nerfed Hwo when Feng is borderline perfect