Did Hwoarang Deserve To Be NERFED?

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  • Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
  • K-Wiss discusses Hwoarang's recent nerfs in Tekken 8
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Комментарии • 323

  • @melthework4511
    @melthework4511 3 месяца назад +34

    Welcome to Tekken, where everyone is defensive about their mains, the character that claps your cheeks is overpowered, and no one wants to lab or learn the matchups 🤡

    • @-sugandeesnuts-
      @-sugandeesnuts- 3 месяца назад

      Yuurp most tekken players don’t know anything and just bitch it’s sad

  • @sahmuss1164
    @sahmuss1164 3 месяца назад +32

    K-Wiss on RUclips:👼
    K-Wiss on Stream:😈

  • @Giraffinator
    @Giraffinator 3 месяца назад +21

    Nobody in twitch chat or youtube comments knows what they are talking about by default, that is the only way to stay sane

  • @aziamuth6856
    @aziamuth6856 3 месяца назад +14

    I think the worst part is that patch notes said that since Hwoarang isn't overperforming they gave him some compensatory buffs but you check the list and it's mostly nerfs

    • @yuriteixeira5816
      @yuriteixeira5816 3 месяца назад +5

      They think giving him +3 damage on the 4, which is now even more punishable, is a buff.
      Its definitely not

    • @aziamuth6856
      @aziamuth6856 3 месяца назад +1

      @@yuriteixeira5816 For the record, I don't mind the changes that much, but I feel like I was being lied to

  • @Shmel340
    @Shmel340 3 месяца назад +24

    I don't think that Hwoarang deserved a nerf. But I think that if Hwoarang's opponent has read this unreactable bullshit, he deserves his launcher as reward. The same for other nerfed in such way characters. Don't play predictable.

    • @TOAST-FACEKILLAH
      @TOAST-FACEKILLAH 3 месяца назад +1

      I can’t tell you the amount of times I’m low partied by good jins. The move was fine as was it was fun to blend now it’s a once a round use if that because the risk isn’t worth 90 damage to the face

    • @kingkino2116
      @kingkino2116 3 месяца назад +6

      ​@comewatchmediealot welcome to every other low-high in the game

    • @yuriteixeira5816
      @yuriteixeira5816 3 месяца назад

      some stuff may be unreactable, but it was predictable. if down 3 hits, only 4 is going to hit after, or else you go into flamingo and you just added 15 frames to a move.

    • @raidennc
      @raidennc 3 месяца назад +2

      @@yuriteixeira5816 "Some stuff may be unreactable but PLAYERS can be predictable"
      *Fixed

  • @TubbyDutta
    @TubbyDutta 3 месяца назад +14

    when you main Hwoarang, there are actually lot of characters that r just busted. And yes people dont know how to play against him, he is very specific. You can learn tekken but fail against hwoarang as he has such options. But when you just learn basics against hwoarang hwoarang has NOTHING like seriously nothing that he cuold do. To say Hwoarang is busted. DUDE GET OUT OF YOUR RED RANK already. shit players complaining and Namco Listening. Why Hwoarang gets so much hate i dont know why..seriously..WHY?

    • @yuuyu666
      @yuuyu666 3 месяца назад

      I taught a friend of mine that has been playing for years, the Hwoarang matchup. He couldn't deal with the character at all.
      After some long matches and sessions, he would just straight up say that the character is actually very weak when you know the matchup.
      And that's it.

    • @ajshiro3957
      @ajshiro3957 3 месяца назад

      People don't like to wait it seems.

    • @blutooth9535
      @blutooth9535 2 месяца назад +1

      I don’t understand either, there are other characters that deserved to be nerfed! Hwaorang been hated since tekken 3 unfair! Plus once you catch Hwoarang kicks and block his low he’s not that hard too beat! The patch is unfair messed Hwoarang up bad

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD Месяц назад

      If you really ask why hwoarang gets so much hate then It’s just self report.

  • @LimeNoKi
    @LimeNoKi 3 месяца назад +7

    they gave us a really good replay system, and no one uses it to learn in lower ranks, they rather complain instead of using a perfect system to see what you can do in certain situation lol

  • @IAMOP
    @IAMOP 3 месяца назад +4

    we should complain that kazuya's hell sweep oki is too hard to deal, who knows they might nerf it 💀

  • @The_Buff_Guy
    @The_Buff_Guy 3 месяца назад +4

    Hwoarang is one of the characters that doesn’t allow the vast majority of the community to play Tekken. The point of counter play is that it’s supposed to work. If you get the read on d3,4, stay ducking, and then launch punish with a 15f mid, that’s a difficult thing to accomplish. Very few players can do this consistently. Their reward for doing this was trading and taking some damage? That’s not fair, I’m sorry. So yes, hwoarang d3,4 getting nerfed was ABSOLUTELY necessary. I say this as a Gold Rank kazuya Main, so my TP launches every time I read correctly without issue. I’m not complaining for my own sake. I’m complaining because counter play was lacking with hwoarang, and this change is a welcome one.

  • @eabc1845
    @eabc1845 3 месяца назад +2

    Kwiss energy seem so fresh and new, so positive, good vibes, love to see it. I dont play hwoarang but staying for the content anyway.

  • @russdellapenna
    @russdellapenna 3 месяца назад +4

    The timing and the disparity between him and the changes other characters I say no. If lots of characters got taken down a peg, I would be cool with it, but the insane buffs others got confused the shit out of me. Idk if I've even seen him make a top 8, like what?

    • @russdellapenna
      @russdellapenna 3 месяца назад

      Next patch, should make JFSR unsafe and give Jin his Laser Scraper and Hellsweep back.

  • @thugaterathanatou4015
    @thugaterathanatou4015 3 месяца назад +4

    Don't play Hwo, but I don't think he needed Nerfs. Jack and Paul, on the other hand, do way too much damage.
    Either way, looking forward to seeing how you play him in the future or seeing which character you temporarily switch to.

  • @LittleJoeT
    @LittleJoeT 3 месяца назад +1

    The issue for me, at least with hawrang is that labbing and learning to fight him is astronomically harder to do than any other character, there is just way too much to know compared to any other

  • @Hi-Hi1990
    @Hi-Hi1990 3 месяца назад +5

    I don't really understand their balance decisions in general tbh. Pretty questionable so far. Honestly, they're not really hiding their biases. Alisa has never gotten a serious nerf...ever! Zafina and Lars got shallow buffs, while Asuka, Azucena YOSHIMITSU, KING, and paul got in depth buffs. They gave Lili another version of f4 ffs lol. I think Hwoarang has the most shallow nerf so far. It makes me wonder if anyone in the Tekken team has even touched this character. I like the system change, I've been praying for a deletion of heat burst or at least a nerf, and we got that. Yay! But I'm side eyeing all the character balance decisions.

    • @michaelpacheco6549
      @michaelpacheco6549 3 месяца назад

      Alisa Lars and king not getting meaningful healthy changes is wild to me.

    • @marlinmurrell620
      @marlinmurrell620 3 месяца назад

      I mean, King did get nerfs along with the buffs. Just saying.

  • @hec1884
    @hec1884 3 месяца назад +1

    Crazy how the narrative gets switched so fast

  • @Animemaniacman
    @Animemaniacman 3 месяца назад +3

    In order to counter this, doesn't the player need to instinctively crouch block an i17 (unreactable) low?

    • @insomniackiller1
      @insomniackiller1 3 месяца назад

      No they don't. You just need to duck the 4 and launch him with a wr launcher.

    • @Animemaniacman
      @Animemaniacman 3 месяца назад

      @@insomniackiller1 how fast is the d3?

    • @shadowfrces3171
      @shadowfrces3171 3 месяца назад +2

      @@insomniackiller1d3,4 is natural. If the low hits, the high is guaranteed

    • @Animemaniacman
      @Animemaniacman 3 месяца назад +2

      @@shadowfrces3171 I guess what I'm getting at is, can you react to the d3? Because if it's too fast to react to, then players who predict it should be well rewarded.

    • @TOAST-FACEKILLAH
      @TOAST-FACEKILLAH 3 месяца назад

      D34 on its own should have different properties than when it comes off of flamingo have it be stagger low if unseeable but buff it if it hits with the counter hit property launching he’ll sweep b3 and flaps like t7 then off flamingo its safer harder to punish but works how it does offensively

  • @raekwonunique2798
    @raekwonunique2798 3 месяца назад +3

    Yes he did it a nightmare fighting hwoarang so many jailing low high strings

  • @Storm-xr7lp
    @Storm-xr7lp 3 месяца назад +2

    Normally, a mid high or low high string has a lot of recovery when ducked and you will get easily launched by a good player. Why should a low high jailing plus af move be safer than those normal mid high / low high. Just because it doesnt knockdown / wallsplat? It unlocks Hwo's oppressive vortex offense though. Its not like they removed his plus frames from it, d3,4 will still hit players regularly. It prevents heat burst and armor and stays a scary low where blocking mid forver is not an option. And it's not like blocking the low gives the blocker a stagger animation, you still have to be sharp and we will 100% see pros sleeping on that during tournament pressure. And remember you will get Skyrocket launched if you want to commit to blocking low.
    Hwos just need to adjust now and condition mid more so people will be decentivized to block low ever. Its just like how they killed Xiaoyu's backturn having 0 safe homing options now and reliant on a 24f launch punishable low... just don't use the move so obsessively anymore and place them smart. Maybe mixup Hwo initiation and dont cling to d3,4 for all of your offense starters

    • @penence347
      @penence347 3 месяца назад

      Heres the thing, what lows are you scared of in flamingo? D3,4 has little damage and not only does hellsweep not knockdown unless your in heator on CH, it leaves you -1in their face. Meanwhile fuzzy duck or side step him and you get a full launch if your right. If your wrong you just interact again. If you dont mash there are no scary mids that are safe in flamingo, skyrocket is only out of stance.

  • @trellified
    @trellified 3 месяца назад

    I agree that there are other characters that should have been nerfed more or rebalanced - but as a Hwoarang main - I think these nerfs are minor and fair (referencing d3,4 and df3,4). These are so minor that I don't think they are that serious of changes.

  • @dartfield4655
    @dartfield4655 3 месяца назад

    funny thing is I played 99% of Tekken 7 in treasure match, and I was constantly punished if I dared to try a D3-4 mix ^^
    the CPU was unnaturally blocking this and the sweep like 90% of the time...

  • @edu8499
    @edu8499 3 месяца назад +8

    I hope that dude on stream got banned.

    • @makexut953
      @makexut953 3 месяца назад +1

      Who? K wiss?

    • @edu8499
      @edu8499 3 месяца назад

      @@makexut953 No, the one making stupid comments on the stream.

  • @Dango9001
    @Dango9001 3 месяца назад +4

    IMO all d3,4 style/low high attacks should "punish jail" (blocking the low should jail you long enough until the right time to ws punish)
    Punishing should be as intuitive as possible in gereral. Tekken has too many exceptions to its rules and knowledge checks already IMO.
    But im just a Ruler Rank Leo player, feel free to roast my shit take.

  • @guppy9186
    @guppy9186 3 месяца назад

    Got so use to the power crush being -12 gonna have to rewire myself 😂

  • @R_J8
    @R_J8 3 месяца назад +1

    I’m actually okay with the nerfs, I think df3,4 was too good as it was. D3,4 nerf isn’t gonna change anything for me because the majority of players don’t care to figure out how to deal with it anyway.

  • @BustedHax
    @BustedHax 3 месяца назад

    i personaly think that a player shouldnt be confused with weird unique interactions after already blocking a low, epecially since ducking is so risky. But -16 is way to much lol, just make the follow up high not come out when you block the low and make it -14 imo

  • @jasonkennedy6844
    @jasonkennedy6844 3 месяца назад

    When even in tournaments people fail to punish this move and eat either the powercrush or the flappy kicks you know there is something wrong. But nah, I guess not.
    Other duckable strings (with 5 times less reward) are fine being relatively easy launch punish but this one is not. It's special somehow.

  • @theveay
    @theveay 3 месяца назад +3

    Salt is strong with this one.

    • @LapisBun
      @LapisBun 3 месяца назад +2

      Salt or not the nerf was was unwarranted people who complain about Hworang people who said he was busted are just bad at the game period.. like people don’t understand how linear he is.

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад +1

      @@LapisBun Or you are just a hwoarang player who gets hard carried by easy character.

    • @LapisBun
      @LapisBun 3 месяца назад

      @@JaykobDBD I play Reina dude try again my guy😒. This match up was already hard for him now it’s even harder.

  • @shaolinprince777
    @shaolinprince777 3 месяца назад +1

    I don't get why you defend broken nonsense Hwoarang, just because he's your main character. Could that perhaps be the reason why people are angry at you? Think about it. He's been terrorizing Tekken for many years, and he's the main character stopping Tekken from being fun to play. Almost nobody likes fighting him. You would have to be a Hwoarang main yourself to enjoy fighting him. It's stupid. He's broken and always will be broken. So, whatever nerfs he gets, I'm happy to see it. For once, Namco is finally listening to the players. If it was up to me, d3,4 would further be nerfed, and it would only be +3 or 4 on hit, and it would do half the damage it currently does, to make him more like a normal character. Also, he would lose his command throws to account for his insane offense. But unfortunately, I'm not currently the one in charge of things. STOOPID character.

  • @daleb2043
    @daleb2043 3 месяца назад +4

    Hwo needs a chunky low from crouch dash.

    • @ChristsKeyblade
      @ChristsKeyblade 3 месяца назад +1

      Do d34 lol

    • @tekkn_579
      @tekkn_579 3 месяца назад

      @@ChristsKeybladeputs you in a blender from it 🌚 but most good hwoarang know it’s predictable so they won’t abuse it

    • @ChristsKeyblade
      @ChristsKeyblade 3 месяца назад

      @@tekkn_579 yeah but he just meantioned a chunky low outta wavedash and d34 is that option

  • @MaxxSeemov
    @MaxxSeemov 3 месяца назад +4

    The nerf isn't enough. Hwoarang deserves to be deleted from the roster.

  • @JOMADA_
    @JOMADA_ 3 месяца назад

    As a Steve main all I'm gonna say is "We take those". (Not biased AT ALL) :)

  • @GreatnessPersonifiedIV
    @GreatnessPersonifiedIV 3 месяца назад

    D3,4 should of had a buff honestly. If you refused to block it and just stand block then whatever 3rd hit we chose should be guaranteed.

    • @CaptainDmac
      @CaptainDmac 3 месяца назад +1

      That would be kinda OP lmao they should just revert it back to what it was

  • @King0fS0RR0W9
    @King0fS0RR0W9 3 месяца назад +2

    Short answer yes.

  • @Sukarettoroz
    @Sukarettoroz 3 месяца назад

    I would feel bad but ion got no stance on this im stickin with Azucena And Lidia until they potentially add Lei so it is what it is

  • @0PSERK_
    @0PSERK_ 3 месяца назад +3

    we did not but a lot of ppl were crying cuz, u know whoarang just kicks and win

  • @Stiffs8000
    @Stiffs8000 3 месяца назад

    I think its fair to say that king also got some huge nerfs. His b3 follow ups were so strong that you could basically completely steam roll people with a single b3 or f3 connect and them guessing a safe oki wrong, which imo as a king player was his most broken tools. f4 had terrible hitbox and the wavedash is a no buff no nerf change imo, since he isnt considered prone anymore.
    But back to Hwo, do you really think this will change things for you, since you play the highest level of tekken and everyone knows how to deal with hwo and how to punish d3,4. Imo this is a good change for intermediate players and maybe a lesson for all those fujin gatekeeper hwos that only know flowchart

    • @marlinmurrell620
      @marlinmurrell620 3 месяца назад

      Exactly. I'm just seeing complaining about King getting buffed, but maybe they just wanna ignore his nerfs lol

  • @tosen-jin6341
    @tosen-jin6341 3 месяца назад

    I don’t think the nerfs was that bad. Just more thinking involved, but usually you feel better when you make those big brain plays.

  • @Pabz16
    @Pabz16 3 месяца назад

    Hwo needs Baek’s full crouch d/f+4, 3, 3, 3 (~ can be cancelled to LFS)

  • @ajshiro3957
    @ajshiro3957 3 месяца назад

    The Hwo haters were partying. I feel like some players are just impatient. He has good pressure, but his punish game isn't the best. That, or i'm missing something..

  • @martinmonroe7082
    @martinmonroe7082 3 месяца назад

    Honestly d3,4 was always controvertial. On one side i feel for you since its your main etc, but on the other hand. Despite the risks, it always was one of the best if not the best low high in the game. Characters signature attacks need to be looked at while balancing everytime. Its like with Dragunov’s WR2 nerf. No one complained about WR2, but it was still adjusted. When it comes to balancing ‘this whole game’ i think theres more to it than just you after the patch labbing being like ‘oh no what im i supposed in this situation now if it happens. Its like, everyone is going through this. To put it in example now im gonna need to lab the d3,4 nerf so i can now set up my punish if i duck succesfully. And im playing Tekken for years up to this point react to d3,4 was just too fast for me you know. I know its ‘easier’ now for me, but i believe that many people like me cant pull out the perfect reactions everytime so, you know… I can see your concerns as a tourney competitor but we regulars play this game too.

    • @Pakkuzou
      @Pakkuzou 3 месяца назад

      I don't mean to be rude, but this is my first tekken game. I found out that hwoarang can flappy kick out of d3,4 mid match when it happened to me. In that same match I found the best counter that my character could do, and the Hwoarang didn't want to use it anymore. If a new player can do it mid match, whats everyones excuse when they have the replay system? Tourney competitors are just regulars that cared more.

  • @michaelpacheco6549
    @michaelpacheco6549 3 месяца назад

    Gonna slightly disagree in the beginning there with drag not getting big nerfs. While he wasn’t specifically targeted, the nerf to homing throws was absolutely a big nerf and also for sure justified. He already doesn’t have good tracking or homing utility so what little homing he had got further reduced. Not saying he’s bad by any means but this was indeed a big nerf.
    EDIT: also kinda wish the d3,4 was only 15 instead of 16. I didn’t know the frame data for that pre nerf but 16 feels really lenient and too much so. If they want a launch punishable move it shouldn’t be getting launched by people who’s main staple ISNT punishing like Steve lol even Kazuya at his worst can hit one of his hardest launchers 😂

    • @michaelpacheco6549
      @michaelpacheco6549 2 месяца назад

      @@jonnysimpson093 ? No they weren’t. The only throws that are homing still outside generic 1 and 2 breaks are his string feint throws like 1,3,2,1+2 or ff2,1+2. Both his victor clutches and 1+2 break throw are all normal now.

  • @noiadelamollymop4991
    @noiadelamollymop4991 3 месяца назад

    HOW DID THE GANNONDORF OF TEKKEN GET BUFF BUT NOT HWO IS CRAZY TO ME!!!!!

  • @JaykobDBD
    @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад +2

    he is still broken, he should get more nerfs

    • @LapisBun
      @LapisBun 3 месяца назад

      Honestly your just bad lmao

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад

      @@LapisBun you’re *

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад

      @@LapisBun tell me you’re hwoarang bot main without telling me you’re hwoarang main 🤣

    • @penence347
      @penence347 3 месяца назад

      ​@@JaykobDBDtell me how he's broken im curious.

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад

      @@penence347 way too oppresive for low effort, but you asking this just shows you got no self awareness. What rank are you?

  • @DuffleBagBankz504
    @DuffleBagBankz504 3 месяца назад

    Hwoarang was already highly punishable. The nerf makes no sense

  • @Alonzone
    @Alonzone 3 месяца назад

    The only “buffs” he got were for his WR attacks that weren’t even good. And they’re still not good.

  • @shadow0508
    @shadow0508 3 месяца назад

    hold up, what's the downplay that kazuya mains have been doing?
    i've been more of TMM about Kazuya -- not downplaying his merits, acknowledging that he was good, but also not failing to acknowledge that other characters have absolutely ridiculously nice things at the same time.
    most (quantity) of kazuya's buffs, thoguh, were "fixes", were they not? heat timer consumption stuff (notably not going into transitions) seem more like commonsense/logical things for us to prevent. and fixing DF1 just seems right/fair - esp given how stubby it is already.

    • @rafu9248
      @rafu9248 3 месяца назад

      You can now tornado after 1,1,2 at the wall and also have a guaranteed low (uf4) after df1,4 and if they try to get up it becomes a launcher

    • @shadow0508
      @shadow0508 3 месяца назад

      @@rafu9248 wasn't 1,1,2 just fixed so that the second 1 i less likely to randomly drop? the flash punch combo has never tornado'd to my knowledge and still doesn't. and yes, i know they made changes to DF1,4... a positive change and a negative change. giving it a guaranteed follow up, but also making it punishable on block now. I think you meant FF4 can be the guarantee'd hit, which can become a launcher if it's a CH though.
      i'm not ignoring or discounting these, i was just saying that "most" of the changes/buffs with Kazuya were literally fixes or kind of common sense things for him to have had from the beginning (such as him not being forced to use up heat time by doing additional devil attacks [lasers] on certain moves).

  • @liakominazuma808
    @liakominazuma808 3 месяца назад

    I am very disappointed and displeased that they nerf Hwoarang, they are so messed up

  • @Animemaniacman
    @Animemaniacman 3 месяца назад +1

    I'm happy it was nerfed.

  • @belowaveragegamer8612
    @belowaveragegamer8612 3 месяца назад

    In line with other low high moves and removes his uniqueness. Hard to argue. All low high strikes are like that.😐. Will make those girl character (and those who identify as girl characters) fights even tougher now. Looks like Namco has decided to demote him to mid low this game and finally give Paul, Bryan, Kazuya, Nina, Feng and Steve a chance to be top tier 🙄.

  • @decuzreidy1278
    @decuzreidy1278 3 месяца назад

    I still feel drag and raina need to be nerfed more tbh

  • @xxfloppypillowxx
    @xxfloppypillowxx 3 месяца назад +2

    Idk why they did this, like Hwaorang imo was probably one of the MOST balanced characters in the game. Yeah he put you into a guessing situation but eventually he had to hit something that was punishable things that were hard to block were also super punishable. I mean are they not paying attention to the leaderboards? There are roughly 10 dragonovs in the top 50 on each board, how is that not a character over performing? 1/5th of your leaderboard is a single character and one of the most boring characters at that. He's not fun to watch, he's not fun to play against, he's linear and boring and while he plays Tekken 8 well it's because his offense is absurdly oppressive but naw Hwaorang's d+3, 4 that was the problem... a move that already could be punished that was the problem.

  • @genzo454
    @genzo454 3 месяца назад

    I will always up-play Victor no matter what, he is top 4. 🗡️ Chevalier boys 🗡️

  • @shaggyboi2773
    @shaggyboi2773 3 месяца назад

    really and truly

  • @Venoch_
    @Venoch_ 3 месяца назад

    I guess ws3 is a little bit better? :P

  • @zephune9506
    @zephune9506 3 месяца назад

    Hwoarang is not possible to play unless you are pro level. I was getting my ass kicked at bushin and that nerf sealed the deal for me.

  • @Sereja_Blincheg
    @Sereja_Blincheg 3 месяца назад +1

    should be launch punishable from t3. I see no reason why this move could trade with i15 punish all this time.

  • @TheRealEgga
    @TheRealEgga 3 месяца назад

    I love tekken 8 but this games balance is the epitome of garbage, “let’s nerf characters that are fine and then buff characters that the community has been complaining about”😃 like come on bro🤦🏽‍♂️ it’s like they don’t play their own game

  • @micshaz
    @micshaz 3 месяца назад

    hot take his df 3 4 and d3 4 should be nerfed... buuut give him back full combo on backlash

  • @Ireggilar
    @Ireggilar 3 месяца назад

    Idk but Steve deserved every buff😂

  • @ravenkyo6328
    @ravenkyo6328 3 месяца назад

    If you do D3,4 and someone got the read he should be rewarded. It’s not that difficult to grasp, right? Saying other characters are broken doesn’t make this nerf less of a priority. This is good for the game and df3,4 should be punishable. Now it is. Hwoarang is still good.

    • @R_J8
      @R_J8 3 месяца назад

      If you have the read you can low parry, step left and launch, duck launch, orbital. How much more do you need?

    • @TOAST-FACEKILLAH
      @TOAST-FACEKILLAH 3 месяца назад +1

      @@R_J8you need a lazy fat ass window to get your big launcher off for 90 damage punish on a risky move that only has true 50/50 worth a damn when in heat. 123d34 😅 like people weren’t low parrying that anyway I will be scraping all my damage with 12f3 and 43 punish now

  • @pruittjosh1
    @pruittjosh1 3 месяца назад

    Ah finally ,a scapegoat. Bow say he sucks and switch characters! Lets buff him a lil lmao😂

  • @NemoRackkz
    @NemoRackkz 3 месяца назад

    At least Lidia is coming out for you

  • @Cazarace
    @Cazarace 3 месяца назад +7

    YES HE DID. Yes. This doesn't change anything for top players who could already punish (and launch) d3,4 on reaction. This only affects intermediate players who struggled.
    Hwo mains are crying because now they can't do this move on autopilot, which many Hwo players found themselves doing. Now, you will have to think twice before initiating your insane pressure and mix up, plus you already have so many tools for your character. Stop downplaying and stop complaining now.

    • @olivegr333n
      @olivegr333n 3 месяца назад +3

      what other tools?

    • @saadlakho5888
      @saadlakho5888 3 месяца назад +1

      What tools bruv? D3,4 is his main engager which already had a lot of risks. Why nerf it?

    • @babayaga9805
      @babayaga9805 3 месяца назад +2

      Looks like a lot of hwos kicked your butt😂😂 but seriously lets forget about the good players who are already in golden ranks talk about the ones who are still learning this character and after a lot of beating they master this initiator and now the game says its nerfed how fair is that? If you nerf all over the board then thats fine but buffing insanely other players and nerfing the one who wasn't even top tier

    • @Cazarace
      @Cazarace 3 месяца назад

      @@babayaga9805 My character (lili) got nerfed as well, so I don't care, I think a lot fo characters escaped the nerfs for 6 months until S2 which is crazy. But Hwoarang's d3,4 should have always been that way, so I think it's perfect now. Plus it deals now more damage on hit.

    • @LapisBun
      @LapisBun 3 месяца назад

      @@Cazaraceskill issue

  • @alessandroguglielmo719
    @alessandroguglielmo719 3 месяца назад

    Yes

  • @ty_thegod
    @ty_thegod 3 месяца назад

    Nah I play Hwo you can deadass crouch cancel Df2 his d 3,4 like bro it’s too much

  • @YujinitoSin
    @YujinitoSin 3 месяца назад

    The nerf got me stronger , hwo has other great tool/poke , it is sad that i cant be spamming d3,4 or df3,4 BUT my verdict is to use other move. It is harsh that he got nerf and remove one of his identity. Like I said , the nerf got me stronger.

  • @ST-pq4dx
    @ST-pq4dx 3 месяца назад +6

    Please delete the character.

  • @elbandito2990
    @elbandito2990 3 месяца назад

    yes he did bc its funny

  • @Iluvtuna009
    @Iluvtuna009 3 месяца назад +6

    Idc i was a lars main in tekken 7 adapt

    • @marcusjones9084
      @marcusjones9084 3 месяца назад

      I don't think that's the solution here. I don't want this happening in the future.

  • @melvinshine9841
    @melvinshine9841 3 месяца назад

    "Look how they massacred my boy." - K-Wiss Corleone
    I have preface this by saying I don't play Hwoarang, nor do I enjoy fighting him. That being said, the nerfs Hwoarang needed sure as hell aren't the ones he got. Down 3,4 was annoying, but not nearly so insufferable it deserved this. Hwoarang isn't dead, but it's still a really harsh hit for a character Bamco themselves said wasn't overperforming.

  • @justinmercado1185
    @justinmercado1185 3 месяца назад

    🧂

  • @justinmercado1185
    @justinmercado1185 3 месяца назад

    Hwoarang players now have to think before pressing buttons.

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад

      nope, the character is still busted and plays the same nothing has changed.

  • @hamedsaloom9917
    @hamedsaloom9917 3 месяца назад

    I think the d3,4 is good for the casual gamers and not the sweats who need more precision to punish it . Good move by devs

  • @CaptainDmac
    @CaptainDmac 3 месяца назад

    They better give hwoa the craziest buff next patch for compensation

  • @mifam505
    @mifam505 3 месяца назад

    Answer to the title - Yes

  • @lucatartaglia5644
    @lucatartaglia5644 3 месяца назад

    Hwoarang deserve to be BUFFED.

  • @RocXII
    @RocXII 3 месяца назад

    Hell no he didn’t deserve to be nerfed and now he’s weaker than his Tekken 7 version and it’s not right

  • @joyhappiness
    @joyhappiness 3 месяца назад

    Yes. NEXT

  • @alexzandermanning6094
    @alexzandermanning6094 3 месяца назад

    Bro just accept the fact that some characters get nerfs because they are annoying to the player base and not necessarily because they are competitive . No one looks forward to playing against hworang. Now if they could do the same for Lars and Alisa we’d be alright .

    • @marlinmurrell620
      @marlinmurrell620 3 месяца назад

      Aye, leave my boi Lars alone. He doesn't need nerfs or buffs for that matter. (You can take away his DEN 3 being +5 tho, he didn't really need it. I don't use that move a lot anyway.)

  • @Ogonechki
    @Ogonechki 3 месяца назад

    Bro, Harada and Bamco are very frustrating with their behavior, improve Harada's favorite character, but after all, the game is not made for him! Now I just don't want to play this game, they disgust me with their behavior..... Are they smoking something?

  • @viktorkurious3340
    @viktorkurious3340 3 месяца назад +89

    I don't play hwoarang and I complain about him but him getting nerfed while some others are just escaping with murder is crazy

    • @kiddalmatiangawd8389
      @kiddalmatiangawd8389 3 месяца назад +2

      Brian, we’re looking right at you😂

    • @echo8168
      @echo8168 3 месяца назад

      ​@@kiddalmatiangawd8389 Bryan is the last person to escape with anything he is still trying to catch up.

  • @jazzoj5
    @jazzoj5 3 месяца назад

    Yes

  • @Bruh-jh7ob
    @Bruh-jh7ob 3 месяца назад +39

    The kazuya coalition got what they wanted, I propose we hwoarang connoisseurs employ a similar strategy and contact Mr.Murray. Perhaps with an equal message delivered by a brother?

    • @gingfreecss3467
      @gingfreecss3467 3 месяца назад

      Murray must be called the n word again

    • @moni2455
      @moni2455 3 месяца назад +3

      As a Kaz main I feel like this is exactly what yall need to do 😂 some other more deserving of nerf characters got away with murder it's actually insane 😂

  • @hayaxozen6995
    @hayaxozen6995 3 месяца назад +36

    They literally said hwoarang didn't perform well in the tournament so they F#&k him up XDDD
    He really don't deserve this nerf there is other characters escaped from murder

  • @cbimz
    @cbimz 3 месяца назад +24

    " HWOARANG IS .... DEAD"
    Raven T5 opening voice 😅

  • @Counselor-yj8hk
    @Counselor-yj8hk 3 месяца назад +12

    Now noobs and scrubs can't complain about losing to Hwoarang. and if they complain, THEY SUCK!

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад

      he is still easy at all levels and broken

    • @echo8168
      @echo8168 3 месяца назад

      ​@@JaykobDBD no he isn't once you figure Hworang out he's not that hard to beat.

  • @oz_garcia
    @oz_garcia 3 месяца назад +7

    This Nerf is warranted. It's the whole point of this game. The whole point of this game is to be easier for beginners. They don't want beginners going to learn stuff in practice mode and labbing because that is the part that beginners mostly dislike about fighting games.

    • @insomniackiller1
      @insomniackiller1 3 месяца назад +9

      Then nerf everyone. So many characters got a fuck ton of buffs, so many characters that are far worse didn't get nerfed. It's not warrented at all.

    • @melissamelissa1298
      @melissamelissa1298 3 месяца назад +1

      Then they should play other games.

    • @oz_garcia
      @oz_garcia 3 месяца назад +2

      @@melissamelissa1298 I personally think Tekken is losing its identity by making the game easier. One of the reasons I was drawn to this game as a beginner was cuz it was hard. even moving around is supposed to be hard

    • @alexandermccalla5098
      @alexandermccalla5098 3 месяца назад +1

      Nah. The issue with the character was the absurd flow chart and frames. He needed nerfs. At no point in the game should you be locked into block strings because the character doesn’t stop attacking but also a completely knowledge check for the one move that can get interrupted. Not even accounting for guard damage.
      But he’s also right that those other characters needed to get nerfed

    • @oz_garcia
      @oz_garcia 3 месяца назад +1

      @@alexandermccalla5098 "At no point in the game should you be locked into block strings because the character doesn’t stop attacking" are we even playing the same tekken game

  • @cherryboywriter6299
    @cherryboywriter6299 3 месяца назад +25

    I love how you can't even discuss if a character should or shouldn't be nerfed without waves of dude bro's coming in with the counter bitching.

    • @grizzgreen6821
      @grizzgreen6821 3 месяца назад +3

      Welcome to the fgc 😂

    • @cimilienp
      @cimilienp 3 месяца назад +1

      This is the true Tekken

  • @josephchase9609
    @josephchase9609 3 месяца назад +5

    Is it me or does hwos inputs seem to more of an issue now? There's always been teething issues with the i puts in t8, but hwo just feels especially bad... i play raven, leo lee and steve, and none of them seem to have input issues near as much...

    • @yuriteixeira5816
      @yuriteixeira5816 3 месяца назад

      you might be taking too long for inputs. From what i played around in when choosing a main, he seems to have smaller input frame windows

    • @josephchase9609
      @josephchase9609 3 месяца назад

      @yuriteixeira5816 nothing like that. I can consistently hit blue sparks. If anything i might be too fast caause i find usually only the second input comes out lol

    • @cimilienp
      @cimilienp 3 месяца назад

      Nah dude I genuinely think you’re on to something. He’s more likely to whiff in general in now to the slight SSLs I labbed this for 2 hours yesterday because I thought I was crazy. From reset position, press 1, or do Right stance then DF4. These both now whiff

    • @cimilienp
      @cimilienp 3 месяца назад

      The inputs themselves feel less responsive but It could be my controller , but it genuinely feels off

    • @josephchase9609
      @josephchase9609 3 месяца назад

      @cimilienp i notice this too. It seems they've shaved like 0.1 distance or something

  • @TriNguyen-iu2vi
    @TriNguyen-iu2vi 3 месяца назад +5

    Tier list had nothing to do with hwoarang getting nerfs!............. Its because People always complain about Hwoarang so Namco bend the knee to the public to please them, which is a weak move.. King needed nerfs but got buffs because King is popular and Namco wants players to stick around longer..

    • @marlinmurrell620
      @marlinmurrell620 3 месяца назад +1

      I mean, King did some nerfs. But okay lol

    • @TriNguyen-iu2vi
      @TriNguyen-iu2vi 3 месяца назад +1

      @@marlinmurrell620 king got tradition mishima wavedash now. Do you even know the possibilities of kings mixup potential from wavedash now?? Its the biggest buff of all the characters

    • @marlinmurrell620
      @marlinmurrell620 3 месяца назад

      @TriNguyen-iu2vi Not exactly. They took away the wavedash's crouching status. So it's not exactly the same.
      And then some of his command throws aren't homing anymore. And he doesn't get oki off of muscle buster now.
      So it's not entirely buffs. I just think people either overlooked or ignored the nerfs the gave him.
      Like; don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay King at all. He's still a top tier character. It's just that I'm seeing a lot of people just straight up not mentioning any of the nerfs they gave him.

    • @TriNguyen-iu2vi
      @TriNguyen-iu2vi 3 месяца назад +1

      @@marlinmurrell620 throws not tracking is a universal nerf to everyone, not just king. Muscle buster oki was broken and needed to be nerfed.

    • @marlinmurrell620
      @marlinmurrell620 3 месяца назад

      @TriNguyen-iu2vi Well yeah, but yknow, it's King. So command grab nerfs is an indirect nerf to King big time.

  • @Chris_7366
    @Chris_7366 3 месяца назад +4

    Hwoarang is a matchup I never had a hard time with, it’s very rare I run into a hwoarang player that gives me a hard time. Im surprised ppl even complain about this character , these nerfs were not needed.

    • @newphonewhodis7152
      @newphonewhodis7152 3 месяца назад +1

      I feel like he was more hard to Deal with in t7.

    • @JaykobDBD
      @JaykobDBD 3 месяца назад

      Whats your rank?

    • @jkdman2007
      @jkdman2007 3 месяца назад

      Because you don't play better hwos.

    • @ajshiro3957
      @ajshiro3957 3 месяца назад

      It's the casual audience complaining

  • @HalfBakeDestruction
    @HalfBakeDestruction 3 месяца назад +2

    i dunno what y'all talking about. Hwo got the biggest buff this season! Tellin' me the crouch dash woosh ain't OP. Like a playing card in bicycle spokes. It's about the psychological damage, m8.

  • @AndoughPanda
    @AndoughPanda 3 месяца назад +9

    It's the fact that they're nerfing riskier moves, while buffing characters like Paul and King in ways that are just less risk, more reward...while nerfing others for the same is just...
    God this is so inconsistent. :/

  • @YoBoryy
    @YoBoryy 3 месяца назад +1

    Well deserved

  • @xxfloppypillowxx
    @xxfloppypillowxx 3 месяца назад +1

    I think that the nerfs would be warranted in a different game but not in this game, EVERYONE has OP bullshit so if you're nerfing characters to remove their OP shit they suddenly become un-usable in this game. If your character doesn't have some spice then your character is dead because they've gone with such an aggression based game model you need to be packing something.

  • @MrTheZios
    @MrTheZios 3 месяца назад +11

    i didn't saw the vid yet but yes

  • @skidee229
    @skidee229 3 месяца назад +26

    Nerfing riskiest move is crazy

    • @raidennc
      @raidennc 3 месяца назад +21

      Calling the old d34 "the riskiest move" is crazy 👀

    • @premiumr98
      @premiumr98 3 месяца назад

      hwo morons are delusional

    • @insomniackiller1
      @insomniackiller1 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@raidenncwtf, it's definitely hwos riskiest starting string. It's super easy to punish, wr launchers have free reign against hwos d34. You don't even need to block the low, you can duck after and still wr launch him.

    • @kongche2424
      @kongche2424 3 месяца назад +1

      Imagine a low high not being risky :0

    • @makexut953
      @makexut953 3 месяца назад

      @@raidenncbro that shit its the moment u stop hwoarang for doing shit

  • @jinpachichulo7561
    @jinpachichulo7561 3 месяца назад +1

    Yes. He deserved nerfs. Now nerf Jin, Slutlyssa, Slutsuka, King, Paul, Kazuya, YoCheapCheatsu, Victor, Jun and Leo. May be missing one or two.

    • @TOAST-FACEKILLAH
      @TOAST-FACEKILLAH 3 месяца назад

      The bears probably anime boys raven and lars as well

    • @marlinmurrell620
      @marlinmurrell620 3 месяца назад

      I mean, they did give King some nerfs. But just pretend they don't exist lol

  • @jasonmontoya4749
    @jasonmontoya4749 3 месяца назад +1

    You missed that DF+3,4 is now HEAT ENGAGER punishable. Just block it and do a DF+3+4 punishment!!!

  • @SupMaHomies
    @SupMaHomies 3 месяца назад

    Yes you had an option to deal with it but it was too difficult. The same way backlash was technically punishable but kinda wasn't, d34 felt similar. I believe the punish should have been easier, as it is now.
    I would have been happy for him to stay as is if his combo damage took a nerf instead though. Let him keep his antics and bullshit, that's kinda his identity. But his chip in heat is insane and then his combo damage and carry is outrageous, I would have preferred that be toned down a little instead.
    It is also strange though that they nerfed Hwo when Feng is borderline perfect