Thanks for clarifying the omission of audio streaming for the P-125a. Thanks also for demonstrating Yamaha's deception of listing features common to both models only for the P-125a to make them seem like improvements. Their deception is far more serious than removing the feature because it is not possible to tell what else they are lying about. It is hard to trust compulsive corporate calumniators.
Good video to clear up any misunderstandings about the P125 and P125a Yeah, string resonance is pretty subtle, but still important. Didn't know what key off samples were before watching this. I'm still saving up for the Yamaha DGX670. No hurry though. Having fun exploring the features of the PSR ew425.
I really appreciate that you are one of the very few reviewers who even talk about Digital Audio Interface option in a digital piano. It is very important to me - I bring the sound of piano VSTs to my digital pianos (one USB cable for all my connection needs), listen to my practice recordings or record directly to my iPhone. I would not get a Kawai digital piano for that reason. Thank you for your thorough reviews.
As a recently retired piano beginner I was undecided between the P125 (which would likely be the 125a now from shops) or the Roland FP 30x or the DGX670. With the issue highlighted of the P125a I think that narrows it down to one of the other 2, and your positive review of the DGX670 encourages me to go down that route. While I am not a composer and alot of the functions will be lost on me it may be a keyboard I can keep longer term and use its extra functions as my proficiency improves. Thank you for your honest reviews. I have subscribed.
Hi there! I actually just rented an FP-30X and am currently working on a review that I should have up within a week or 2. In short though - the FP30X has spectacular piano sounds, and a heavier feel (closer to an acoustic piano) if that matters to you; I personally prefer a lighter action like the 125/DGX. But the user interface on the Roland i find frustrating because you need to use key combinations to do pretty much everything (select a certain voice - hold down a button and look up in the manual what piano key to press). Whereas the user interface on the P125 is much better and easier to use and the user interface on the DGX 670 is spectacular (tons of buttons, colour screen). And the DGX also has some very advanced arranger features so yes you could grow into it over time. Only drawback of the DGX is size and weight - it’s bulky and 50 lbs! So not very portable. Hope that helps and thanks for subscribing!
I cannot thank you enough for this video. I have the Yamaha P125 and use the audio interface daily. I am so thankful that I did not buy a Yamaha P125a as my backup, as that feature is literally the entire reason I love the P125! It is so wild that they removed it. Do you know if the Yamaha DGX-670 has an audio interface like the P125 has?
Yes the DGX has the built in audio interface as does the replacement for the P-125, the P-225. I reviewed that here if you want to check it out: ruclips.net/video/yF7FLe1dCy4/видео.html Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
Wow you did pretty deep investigation WITH details demonstration , thank you. In your P125 sounds really great to my taste, and that "strings "effect I really like, and I like they sounds equally to others keys, so if in my P125A will be same feelings (should receive next week )then I think will be happy. Subbed. For sure.
Greetings, Your first video that explained the difference gave me the tools to order the correct version I wanted after reaching out to 2 different music companies, the 3rd one stated they had the P125...so I happily ordered it. Delivery was today, December 29. They sent me the P125A!!! I lost my lunch. I am on the phone now, asking them to send me what I ordered, or come and get it. Your second video on this has been enlightening as well. I just finished reading the P125 Manuel last night online. My apologies for the long-winded message. I just wanted to say thank you so much for these videos on the P125. I am truly grateful.
@@jbbowman7 That's awful! I hope you can get them to sort it out for you. I think a lot of retailers and staff probably don't even know about the differences (I've seen SOOO many online reviews of "the new and improved P-125", or reviewers assuming that string resonance/key off samples were added to the P-125a simply because they got listed on a website as features). Given that the removal of the audio interface really does remove a TON of functionality, I don't think a retailer should be able to just substitute the 125a for a specific order for a 125. I'm happy that you found the videos helpful, let me know how it goes!
It will partially work with the P125a; any features to do with just MIDI data will work, but nothing to do with audio will work (so it will be quite limited). I haven’t tested the 225 yet but it has the audio interface like the 125 had so it will be fine. I wouldn’t recommend buying a 125a; better to buy the 225 or look for a used 125 Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
Thank you for all the info on the P-125a. I have a question if you wouldn't mind helping out. I am planning on replacing my Alesis Recital Pro with a Yamaha P-125a. As far as functionality the Alesis Recital Pro doesn't do anything that the P-125a cant do right? I am strictly using a digital keyboard to record music through Ableton.
Hi there! I actually owned a Recital Pro (it was my first digital piano), and no, it doesn't do anything that the P-125A cannot. They are both fully functional MIDI controllers; the Yamaha will have better quality velocity sensors than the Alesis, so you'll have finer control over your velocity. As far as the loss of the audio interface, the things you would lose from going to the 125A instead of the 125 (with regard to recording music through a DAW) would be: - you'll be limited to recording MIDI as opposed to an audio track (of the piano sounds instead of sounds in your DAW) unless you get an external audio interface to sit in between the piano and the DAW - you won't be able to hear the MIDI sounds from within Ableton back through your piano speakers/headphone port (you wouldn't have been able to do this with the Alesis either, but you can with the P-125) Hope that helps! Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe!
And also if I purchase the 125A, how can I compensate the missing functionality of the USB? I would like to connect a tablet and hear its audio via the 125A speakers
There is no way to stream audio in to the 125a so you won’t be able to hear external audio through its speakers. If you have a mixer then you can connect the P125 audio out to the mixer as well as your tablet and then have the mixer output go to an amp/speakers/headphones to hear it together but not out of the piano speakers. Hope that helps!
If you're looking at one in person, label on the panel will say "125a" instead of "125", and on a boxed one it will be "125aB" for a black 125a or "125aW" for a white 125a, and just "125B" or "125W" for black and white 125's. If you're dealing with an online retailer though, you pretty much have to contact them to confirm what you will be getting if you order a 125 (I've heard many people ordering 125's and getting 125a's). Also note that the 225 is now released as well which is the new version. Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
I don't play classical music, just modern pop/rock/blues, and that doesn't usually require as many keys as some classical does (although there are famous classical composers who wrote their music on instruments with less than 88 keys too). Anytime I've had a 61 key keyboard as my main keyboard I would say yes, but it was always fine as long as it was easy (no menu deep diving) to shift octaves. When my main keyboard was 76 keys, I would still shift octaves, but only very occasionally. As far as the P-121 goes, if I could trade my P-125 straight up for a P-121 I would do so in a heartbeat (its a bit lighter and smaller so just easier to move around). Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
From my last time in a music shop I tried out both the Yamaha p125 as well as a Yamaha CP88 and I thought to myself how the p125 key action felt too soft and light for me personally but the cp88 felt waay too heavy.. I'm looking for something in-between those two models key action and price wise. I'm thinking maybe the new Kawai es120 could be that digital piano with the key action I'm looking for, I want to try it out in a store. I also wish to see more 73 key digital pianos with speakers on the market. Anyhow. Thank you for the great explanation and helpful insight.
Hey thanks so much I appreciate that! I've never actually tried a CP88 but I know it has a higher end action than the 125 so not surprised it's heavier. I've never actually tried a Kawai (no one seems to carry them where I live) so I can't really comment on how that might be. Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
Depending how much they cost where you are (where I am FP30X is 20% more expensive) I would still probably buy the P125a then I would buy a mixer with built in audio interface to make up for the lost functionality. But many people prefer the Roland (just not me) Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
@@PianoTone Roland FP-60X was my first try for starting. I was like it...till in store not trying Yamaha... returned in 3 weeks, to my opinion sounds quality/tones/equal keys sound length -- not even close comparable .
Thanks for clarifying the omission of audio streaming for the P-125a. Thanks also for demonstrating Yamaha's deception of listing features common to both models only for the P-125a to make them seem like improvements. Their deception is far more serious than removing the feature because it is not possible to tell what else they are lying about. It is hard to trust compulsive corporate calumniators.
Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
Good video to clear up any misunderstandings about the P125 and P125a Yeah, string resonance is pretty subtle, but still important. Didn't know what key off samples were before watching this. I'm still saving up for the Yamaha DGX670. No hurry though. Having fun exploring the features of the PSR ew425.
Thanks 👍
Thanks Thomas!
I really appreciate that you are one of the very few reviewers who even talk about Digital Audio Interface option in a digital piano. It is very important to me - I bring the sound of piano VSTs to my digital pianos (one USB cable for all my connection needs), listen to my practice recordings or record directly to my iPhone. I would not get a Kawai digital piano for that reason.
Thank you for your thorough reviews.
The built in audio interface really is a massive feature, and yet some manufacturers (Casio in particular) are still ignoring it! Thanks again
As a recently retired piano beginner I was undecided between the P125 (which would likely be the 125a now from shops) or the Roland FP 30x or the DGX670. With the issue highlighted of the P125a I think that narrows it down to one of the other 2, and your positive review of the DGX670 encourages me to go down that route. While I am not a composer and alot of the functions will be lost on me it may be a keyboard I can keep longer term and use its extra functions as my proficiency improves. Thank you for your honest reviews. I have subscribed.
Hi there! I actually just rented an FP-30X and am currently working on a review that I should have up within a week or 2. In short though - the FP30X has spectacular piano sounds, and a heavier feel (closer to an acoustic piano) if that matters to you; I personally prefer a lighter action like the 125/DGX. But the user interface on the Roland i find frustrating because you need to use key combinations to do pretty much everything (select a certain voice - hold down a button and look up in the manual what piano key to press).
Whereas the user interface on the P125 is much better and easier to use and the user interface on the DGX 670 is spectacular (tons of buttons, colour screen). And the DGX also has some very advanced arranger features so yes you could grow into it over time. Only drawback of the DGX is size and weight - it’s bulky and 50 lbs! So not very portable.
Hope that helps and thanks for subscribing!
I cannot thank you enough for this video. I have the Yamaha P125 and use the audio interface daily. I am so thankful that I did not buy a Yamaha P125a as my backup, as that feature is literally the entire reason I love the P125! It is so wild that they removed it. Do you know if the Yamaha DGX-670 has an audio interface like the P125 has?
Yes the DGX has the built in audio interface as does the replacement for the P-125, the P-225. I reviewed that here if you want to check it out:
ruclips.net/video/yF7FLe1dCy4/видео.html
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Wow you did pretty deep investigation WITH details demonstration , thank you.
In your P125 sounds really great to my taste, and that "strings "effect I really like, and I like they sounds equally to others keys,
so if in my P125A will be same feelings (should receive next week )then I think will be happy. Subbed. For sure.
Thanks!
Great analysis!
Thanks Ruth! And super happy to have a P-125 back in the fold (was a great deal!)
Greetings,
Your first video that explained the difference gave me the tools to order the correct version I wanted after reaching out to 2 different music companies, the 3rd one stated they had the P125...so I happily ordered it. Delivery was today, December 29. They sent me the P125A!!! I lost my lunch. I am on the phone now, asking them to send me what I ordered, or come and get it. Your second video on this has been enlightening as well. I just finished reading the P125 Manuel last night online. My apologies for the long-winded message. I just wanted to say thank you so much for these videos on the P125. I am truly grateful.
@@jbbowman7 That's awful! I hope you can get them to sort it out for you. I think a lot of retailers and staff probably don't even know about the differences (I've seen SOOO many online reviews of "the new and improved P-125", or reviewers assuming that string resonance/key off samples were added to the P-125a simply because they got listed on a website as features).
Given that the removal of the audio interface really does remove a TON of functionality, I don't think a retailer should be able to just substitute the 125a for a specific order for a 125.
I'm happy that you found the videos helpful, let me know how it goes!
Thanks for your very thorough investigation
Thanks glad you enjoyed the video! And thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
Can you please update if indeed Yamaha Smart Pianist will not work appropriately with P125A? What about the P225?
It will partially work with the P125a; any features to do with just MIDI data will work, but nothing to do with audio will work (so it will be quite limited).
I haven’t tested the 225 yet but it has the audio interface like the 125 had so it will be fine. I wouldn’t recommend buying a 125a; better to buy the 225 or look for a used 125
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Thank you for all the info on the P-125a. I have a question if you wouldn't mind helping out. I am planning on replacing my Alesis Recital Pro with a Yamaha P-125a. As far as functionality the Alesis Recital Pro doesn't do anything that the P-125a cant do right? I am strictly using a digital keyboard to record music through Ableton.
Hi there! I actually owned a Recital Pro (it was my first digital piano), and no, it doesn't do anything that the P-125A cannot. They are both fully functional MIDI controllers; the Yamaha will have better quality velocity sensors than the Alesis, so you'll have finer control over your velocity.
As far as the loss of the audio interface, the things you would lose from going to the 125A instead of the 125 (with regard to recording music through a DAW) would be:
- you'll be limited to recording MIDI as opposed to an audio track (of the piano sounds instead of sounds in your DAW) unless you get an external audio interface to sit in between the piano and the DAW
- you won't be able to hear the MIDI sounds from within Ableton back through your piano speakers/headphone port (you wouldn't have been able to do this with the Alesis either, but you can with the P-125)
Hope that helps! Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe!
And also if I purchase the 125A, how can I compensate the missing functionality of the USB? I would like to connect a tablet and hear its audio via the 125A speakers
There is no way to stream audio in to the 125a so you won’t be able to hear external audio through its speakers. If you have a mixer then you can connect the P125 audio out to the mixer as well as your tablet and then have the mixer output go to an amp/speakers/headphones to hear it together but not out of the piano speakers. Hope that helps!
Esa es la función que se le ha quitado al P125 en este P125a
@@ayrtoninchejanampa6874 Yes! It is back in the new P-225 though
@@PianoToneY en el P145
How can you tell difference between p125 and p125a?
If you're looking at one in person, label on the panel will say "125a" instead of "125", and on a boxed one it will be "125aB" for a black 125a or "125aW" for a white 125a, and just "125B" or "125W" for black and white 125's. If you're dealing with an online retailer though, you pretty much have to contact them to confirm what you will be getting if you order a 125 (I've heard many people ordering 125's and getting 125a's).
Also note that the 225 is now released as well which is the new version.
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@Piano Tone
Hi , does the P121 have the usb audio out like the non A version of the 125?
Sorry I see you already showed it does have it
Yes it does!
@@chrisbusby4395 LOL no worries :)
Have you found that having only 73 keys would be a miss on anything you play?
I don't play classical music, just modern pop/rock/blues, and that doesn't usually require as many keys as some classical does (although there are famous classical composers who wrote their music on instruments with less than 88 keys too).
Anytime I've had a 61 key keyboard as my main keyboard I would say yes, but it was always fine as long as it was easy (no menu deep diving) to shift octaves. When my main keyboard was 76 keys, I would still shift octaves, but only very occasionally.
As far as the P-121 goes, if I could trade my P-125 straight up for a P-121 I would do so in a heartbeat (its a bit lighter and smaller so just easier to move around).
Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
@@PianoTone subscribed a while back :]
From my last time in a music shop I tried out both the Yamaha p125 as well as a Yamaha CP88 and I thought to myself how the p125 key action felt too soft and light for me personally but the cp88 felt waay too heavy.. I'm looking for something in-between those two models key action and price wise. I'm thinking maybe the new Kawai es120 could be that digital piano with the key action I'm looking for, I want to try it out in a store. I also wish to see more 73 key digital pianos with speakers on the market. Anyhow. Thank you for the great explanation and helpful insight.
Hey thanks so much I appreciate that! I've never actually tried a CP88 but I know it has a higher end action than the 125 so not surprised it's heavier. I've never actually tried a Kawai (no one seems to carry them where I live) so I can't really comment on how that might be.
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now that p 125 is no longer on the market, is it better to buy p125a or roland fp30x?
Depending how much they cost where you are (where I am FP30X is 20% more expensive) I would still probably buy the P125a then I would buy a mixer with built in audio interface to make up for the lost functionality. But many people prefer the Roland (just not me)
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@@PianoTone Roland FP-60X was my first try for starting. I was like it...till in store not trying Yamaha... returned in 3 weeks, to my opinion sounds quality/tones/equal keys sound length -- not even close comparable .