@@TheKevDevyeah because miquella doesn't control minds. he compels affection and leaves reason and wit in tact. everyhing mohg did came from his own internal logic and interpretation of the affection miquella compelled, which is probably why he was chosen.
@@rockytokyo Exactly. I'm tired of seeing people say that Miquella brainwashes people and puppeteers them. He doesn't. He compels love. The Bewitching Branch states it outright. So the only ''brainwashing'' he does is making people fall in love with him. After that, everything they do is still a choice of their own.
@@rockytokyo What about Ansbachn Freyjan and the Hornsent? Ansbach wanted to free Mohg. Freyja felt compelled to follow Miquella even though him and his twin were the cause of her scarlet rot injury and harmed/indirectly killed Radahn. Hornsent hated the gods and had no plans of working with Leda. Hell, even we can be in a middle of a fight against Radahn, then Miquella could instantly makes us a loyal puppet with a touch.
@@chrisg3678radahn holding the stars is to stop the unimaginable monstrosities like Astel from getting to the lands in between. His fate wasn’t in the hands of the stars but in the hands of malenia, she would be the deciding factor since she has the power to kill him and bring him to miquella so he can charm him. But in the end it didn’t work because the tarnished regained his grace and decided to become Elden lord. I also think there’s a possibility of the tarnished being a Demi god himself, since he can use the power of every weapon and skill since he most likely was a child of marika that was killed and put inside a masoleum.
@@chrisg3678he’s Carian, and if Miquella promised that he would be his consort then it in a way was his fate, therefore governed by the movement of the stars
This. THIS is the most poignant and precise message of the DLC. Miquella was “kind” and wanted an era of compassion, but despite his literal age, Miquella was still a child in mind. He was naive to believe he could subvert the cycle, become something else. He was just more of the same.
Well.. not so kind to manipulate and make everyone love you against there own will isn’t very kind at all, and all he really wanted was to be a god in other lands very selfish
Dammit, there goes another good idea. Should've seen everyone we didn't see. Instead we got Ying-yang Bizarro World. "Y'know how Goldmask was so chill? Well get ready for Flamemask! With zero chill!"
The gloam eyed queen is heavily implied to be melina, the gloam eyed queen is melina daughter and hates the frenzy flame which is exactly what melina is. On top of that if you pick the frenzy flame ending them Melina’s eye turns purple and gloemed over further support of her being the gloamed eye queen
@@tylersuarez7355 that makes NO sense if you remember the gloam eyed queen is said to have been defeated by maliketh, which how would she be around if she was killed with destined death
@@Aptodios-mx2lfNot really though he's in an entirely different body that he has literally to no training in that also has an entire new type of magic that we see he tries and fails once or twice to use where he'll actually use blood flame in his first phase once or twice
@@YeetSpace yeah but come on, he's boosted by a god... And maybe he doesn't know the blood flame magic but he still perfectly master gravity sorcery. So yes he's in his prime in term of strenght, but he's indeed not the "true" Radahn.
@@Aptodios-mx2lf yeah but like in the way that words mean things when you say them just because you say he's prime doesn't mean he is though. Like just factually he's not. There's not really like a argument of power I'm trying to make here just by the way that words work when you use them to say things, he's not in his prime
I'm glad I ain't the only one who noticed! I think it also echoes the fact Incantations and Sorceries are essentially the same. The nature of Glintstone, the Primeval Current and the additional context we get from Ymir only further reinforce this IMO. Miquella used "faith" and sought ascension via divine ritual, amassing fanatical followers who believed in his vision of a gentler world (willingly or not...). He embraced the future fated by the Fingers, and entered the metaphysical Realm of Shadow to divest himself from everything, to be re-made alongside his one and only chosen Consort. Ranni used "intelligence" and approached it like one would a formula, scheming in secret to orchestrate her personal emancipation from the fate imposed on her by the Fingers. She remained in the physical Lands Between and started to divest herself of everything to gain it. Our actions serve to finally sever the last of her connections to the world until only we are left as her Consort. Logic and observation may reveal that there are no true Gods, but preternatural forces do exist in the world of Elden Ring with a will behind them; it's not really a mistake to think them Divine. Conversely, these influences may be godlike in power, but that doesn't mean that they're deserving of our faith.
Fr I was trying to think of any real difference between what Miquella is doing vs ranni. Like why do we have to stop him, but have the option to help ranni?
"There are no gods in the lands between. There are only fools who believed in hope and abandoned themselves to be a vessel of the outer gods." THAT LAST LINE
Well Godwyn, your soul is utterly gone for good, like fully destroyed into nothingness, your living corps is deeply rooted within the Eerdtree and the entire Lands Between and beyond, and your entire story was, at the very least, 99,99% done 5000 years before the base game, the only 0,01% left being Fia's questline and the base game ending Age of the Duskborn, YOUR age by the way. So yes you weren't needed for the DLC. Try to rest in peace as much as possible with that souless living corps of yours, ô First of the Dead, Prince of Death, Father of the Many and the Meak.
Ranni's ending is still probably the best; IMO tied with Goldmask's. People are going to continue to struggle, but at least their struggles will be theirs, and they can truly decide their own fates.
They are! In alchemy it’s called a rebis which is both male and female and said to be closer to divinity and the philosopher’s stone with the power to heal. Fits all their themes in the story too.
@@thetitaniumviper4734 Miquella has to discard all of his parts and feelings to ascend to godhood, St. Trina was always considered to be Miquella, Tholier after Miquella breaks his rune tells you that St. Trina is the discarded half. Also the Miquella's Cross in Coffin fissure literally says "I abandon here my love" which could mean St. Trina as she seems to care a lot about Miquella.
The reason we all expected there tp be mlre Godwyn content was that he was the first demigod to fall. The first to succumb to the shadow of death but only partly. A husk that just laid there. Many were thinking Miquella would revive his soul into a new body or somehow combine both body and soul and create something *new*. But the theory was right about the actions but the wrong who. Mohg's body and Radahn's soul was not a syrong theory. What was a strong theory was Mohg and Miquella having a pact or plan but it was Radahn with the pact, whether willing or unwilling, and Mohg being the manipulated. Many though that St. Trina was the evil aide but thats the nice o e
To be honest, I'm not sure why people think there's so much unanswered stuff with Godwyn when he essentially has an entire ending all to himself, being the Age of the Duskborn. The only other demigod who can claim an ending of their own is Ranni.
@@delrunplays2903 We really just wanted a boss fight against him. some sort of undead lightning warrior to match fortissax. We got the death knights who fit that model and undead dragons. so we have related stuff but just not the main man himself. could have gotten another nameless king fight
@@delrunplays2903 The Castle Sol lore directly stated that Godwyn (a soulless demigod) could be revived when an eclipse happened, and Castle Sol was working for Miquella by trying to call the Eclipse, in the same fashion as Griffith from Berserk, his character's inspiration. This was the previously theorised justification for the Aeonia war, because Radahn holding the stars in place means the moon can't cause an eclipse, and made a whole lot more sense than the actual "justification." Miquella also wanted to revive Godwyn/at least give him a true death (perfect justification for a boss fight) as directly stated by the Golden Epitaph item description, so he had the motive. We also know absolutely nothing about Godwyn pre-death besides that he was nice to dragons, so that leaves a ton of room for character exploration, and he's also like the main long term danger to the Lands Between with his deathroot. His ending was also very lackluster and inconclusive in the base game, and plus he's just very interesting and people were excited to fight him. Godwyn seemed like the main focus of Miquella's plan, so him not being a boss, not being relevant in the slightest in the DLC, and not even getting any meaningful lore besides "he had knights" confused and annoyed a lot of players, especially given how smoothly he would have fit into the role of Miquella's promised consort instead of lame fanservice Radahn. To me it reeks of a rewrite or abrupt change of plans, because Radahn and Miquella's relationship isn't foreshadowed in the slightest in the base game while Godwyn and Miquella is. They foreshadowed the means in which he'd come back, the motive Miquella had to do so, but that whole plot thread just ended up being unresolved. Disappointing :(
But there is no soul to revive Godwyn. His entire store was, at the very least, 99,99% already done 5000 years before the base game. The remaining 0,01% left are Fia's questline and the Age of the Duskborn which is technically HIS age by the way, which means that there is already a whole ending to his already long ended story.
So it seems the best outcome is still marrying Rani and watching over the realm from above. Let the mortals figure things out on their own without the divine directly screwing around with them.
i wouldnt see miquella or marika free from their crimes. Thhey still had free will. The tragedy in elden ring comes in my eyes from human beeings (who are of course inherently faulty) gaining the powers of a god and then using it to their ends. Miquellas age of compassion might sound nice or come from his serious wish to make peoples lifes better but his childishness and generel tendancy for controll turns it into a nightmare. Marika uses her powers as god to become the vessel for the literal rules of the world- just so that she can both get revenge and (presumatly) avoid her trauma by creating a world without death- screwing up the natural order. This is why i prefare gold masks ending: an age were noone can continue to alter the rules of the world for their own gain.
The one thing we did learn was that there was a vow of some sort. That's still an unanswered question, as are the means through which Melina came to be with Torrent after Miquella, and how Ranni is familiar with Torrent. One thing I noticed forever ago was that in the base game, 3 characters had a ring on the same finger (the right ring finger); Miquella, on the withered hand; Ranni, a small ring that is there before you give her the Dark Moon Ring; and Melina, whose ring is the Spectral steed whistle before she gives it to the player. Apparently, wearing a ring on that finger is symbolic of a vow. It seems that somehow, there were alliances made between these 3. Maybe that had something to do with the vow Miquella talks about in the last cutscene. Even then, there are still questions left to figure out.
I truly hope we get another dlc that expands on deathblight lore. Particularly grafting, because its never directly stated how its done, but since all of it is tied to the shed skin of godwyns corpse below stormveil castle in the base game, I've always been under the speculation that grafting is a process of inflicting a creature with deathblight, thus killing its soul but leaving its body undead, then before its able to naturally reanimate, fusing it with your own flesh allowing you to impose the will of your soul upon the undead flesh. I could also very easily see a godwyn bossfight inspired by ludwig the holy blade. In his first phase, a twisted creature filled with all the souls of those who live in death, driven mad by their screams. Then, the soul of godwyn is able to reclaim control of his body once more, and though twisted and mishapen, he begins to wield his golden lightning against us, even tainted as it is by the deathblight
@C3lticlord That's what they do to make the living jars, fusing the souls of many beings into a jar, with the shaman as a base. It's possible considering the boss arena for Godrick is right next to some living jars, but grafting doesn't have the same effect as the flesh melding in the living jars does. That gives life to a completely inanimate object, but that inanimate object takes on its own unique identity and personality. Grafting is a little different since it requires a living host that grafts dead flesh onto their body. The flesh doesn't become a soft pink lump like in a living jar, it maintains the same form it had when it was grafted, and it only grants the physical skills that flesh possessed. Alexander was able to use fire based attacks and had super high fire resistance after consuming the flesh of redmanes, and tempering himself in a volcano. While maybe the volcano alone gave him his powers, I think he is able to absorb some of the soul of the flesh he absorbs, letting him gain some of the knowledge of the flame arts the redmanes were famous for. I would imagine grafting could be an offshoot of the process used to make living jars, but I can't see them being exactly the same since the affects and end results aren't the same. Perhaps someone used deathblight and the process the greater potentates used to make livings jars to make graftable flesh Edit: Sorry that's a lot lol, grafting is something that's barely touched on in the story outside of stromveil, and I've been curious about it forever
@@sixheadhydra2317 Marika is from the Shaman village you find in the dlc, perhaps the grafting is an evolution of the melding you see with the Shamans and the jars? But in the main game the jars do say they add the corpses of their victims into the jar, so that means dead material will get merged. I think that they are the same mechanic but because the shamans are inside a tight space as the jar, when they graft it just becomes mush as there's no room.
@C3lticlord That's true, but the main difference is in the identity of the hosts. Alexander describes himself as being made up of the souls of many warriors, whereas godrick maintains his singular identity. I think that's where deathblight comes in, since it's described as killing the soul, but leaving the flesh undead. That way, rather than becoming an amalgamation of many souls, you maintain your singularity
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I thought it was awesome that we got to see Radahn in his prime, he was known as the strongest of the demigods so I don't know why it would be anyone else. The fact that we got to see Miquella in full was cool too. The shadow realm is everything discarded by Marika and the golden order, things and people that were abandoned or deemed lesser before the shattering. Godwyn was the pride of Marika until his "death". It doesn't really make sense for him to be in the shadow realm. Miquella divested himself of grace and retired to the shadow realm, Radahn had made a pact with him before the Shattering to be his consort. I honestly believe that Miquella wasn't using his powers to control the minds of Radahn or even Mohg. Mohg being omen born tracks pretty well with why he would follow Miquella. And they point out multiple times that despite Radahns skill in battle, he was kind and compassionate compared to the other demigods. Also when Miquella controls your mind in the final fight you get a bird sigil over your head to represent the spell. Neither Mohg nor Radahn had that. I do agree that Miquellas rule would be no different than Marika's tho, you can't make the world exactly how you want it without controlling people.
We do see traces of godwyn in the dlc or perhaps his “cadaver surrogates” guarded by death knights. I could see his corpse being discarded after his death. And while referred to as kind, I think that may just be Radahn when he was younger. He lived for war and Freyja even says he would love to continue war into eternity, so perhaps while kind, peace does not suit him. Maybe that would change with Miquella though. Seeing radahn is his prime was pretty hype too
As a little thing to point out, we know that Miquella put the people following him into the realm of shadow under the same or at least a similar spell and they don't have, as far as i know (even though if they had some indication it would be amazing to find out) that same symbol above their head. Because of that I got myself questioning which and if there is at least one relationship with Miquella that he hasn't manipulated the person into, though that might be too much.
The only reason that symbol pops up is because of his godly circlet. Radahn didn't want to be his consort hence Melania tried to kill him. Mogh was most definitely bewitched, why would he talk about his dynasty but throw it away for miquellas rule? He wanted miquella to be his consort and instead was tricked into helping miquella reach the shadow lands.
@@teamtea3439 None of the people that go into the shadow realm are directly under Miquellas spell, half of them end up rebelling against Miquella by the end. Miquella guided people who already followed him to the shadow realm sure but not against their will. If that was the case neither Ansbach or Thiollier would help you in the final fight and Hornsent was there for vengeance against Mesmer. It's also pointed out that Radahn promised before the Shattering to be Miquellas champion because he supported his vision, I believe Mohg followed him for the same reason.
@@DoctorPecker That's not true, Miquella used Mohgs fully intact and living body to implant and house Radahns soul and power. There's nothing that indicates Radahn would be weaker because of it. Mohg is as much a demigod as Radahn, and the body is far less important than the soul as far as the demigods are concerned. It's made clear that the demigods don't truly die in Elden Ring, you destroy their bodies but their souls live on to be reincarnated in the future. What Miquella does with Radahns soul is no different. It is definitely Radahn in his prime, fully reborn
Man. Was I the only one excited to see him? It's like theres this fad for being disappointed it wasn't someone else. Godwyn doesn't even make any sense. Not sure why anyone would expect that to happen. Genuinely surprised people were disappointed after having one of the best boss fights in gaming history get an upgrade.
Dude, I completely agree. The Souls community can be great, but it also has a terrible penchant for being ungrateful. I practically screamed when I realized Radahn might come back; always missed the pre-nerf fight from the launch. And I’m so damn tired of simps screaming about Malenia’s supremacy regardless of any proof to the contrary.
@@TheKevDev they actually said that while they have no plans for a 2nd dlc or game they didn't want to completely outright remove the option. Basically if they come up with a really cool idea then we will get a 2nd dlc but only if they get a good idea for it.
I feel like Elden Ring deserves a second DLC, fully fleshing out the outer gods, as well as (especially) Godwyn. It could be required to have beaten Fortissax, maybe even have beaten the game, and possibly use the DLC gates of divinity. We could travel to a new realm like 'The realm of true death' where peoples souls who have died like Godwyn reside, or people who did not return to the Erdtree. Maybe a bunch of Hornsent and blasphemous bosses. Maybe even give the ability to become a shell for an outer god that gives you a new game ending. Could control it the same way as the frenzied flame
The whole point of "true death" is that your soul is not stored somewhere else, it simply no longer exist. Destroyed into nothingness. Godwyn's story ended 5000 years before the base game. The only remaining story is Fia's questline with the Age of the Duskborn ending.
Radahn was the MVP all along. Holding the stars could prevent many catastrophe from progressing. It's Miquella & Malenia that is the evil one all along. Radahn is the Lu Bu of Elden Ring.
Holding stars is what started whole family killing family business. Radahn is a fucking indirect progenitor of everything because he wanted to stop stars medling with stuff. He stopped stars, that stopped Ranni from fatereading, Ranni picked her other brother Rykard who had doubts about golden order at the time and they stole piece of death, then Godwyn got iced by the said piece of death, Marika shattered ring because her favorite child became another monster, and everyone starts a war over great runes, Miquella started his ascension program and sent Malenia to kill Radahn while he called Mohg to Über him elsewhere, oh and Caelid became nuclear wasteland with Radahn rotting away. So yes he is an MVP because everything went to shit because he decided that blocking literal cosmological phenomenon and a direct influence of greater will is a good idea.
Godwyn should definitely be the next dlc or the start of Elden ring 2 because from what I know he’s watching our every move he’s even in the dlc .. I also don’t think they would just put him in and never use him why even make godwyn if that was the case so let’s hope either Elden ring 2 will be about him or next dlc
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Finaly someone who brings up the fact Godwyn soul is gone. Cool video, but something i don't agree with is the fact is the fact that Greater Will is a being who would need to trick someone into being it's vessel, it's the creator of the Elden ring wich is litteraly has control of concepts like destininy, life, death and stars. Also in japanese the terms used to refer to the Greater Will seem to associate it with God. Also Imyr says that the fingers were too young to fullfill their role so we don't even know if they could even ear the its words.
When I saw radhan’s new armor I was so excited thinking ooo that’s gonna look good especially with that sexy red cape then I put it on and I was disappointed it doesn’t look that good on the player character model
Would’ve been really cool if there was a choice before the final fight on whether to help Miquella or stop him. Like if we helped him we would’ve had to fight a shadow version of the elden beast or something.
i’m personally glad it was radahn and not someone else, it really brings the story full circle knowing that malenia was sent to kill radahn and bring him into the realm of shadow in the first place.
I was so ready to face Godwyn or even Miquella himself who divests his flesh and feelings, becoming some sort of monster. I am glad that DLC has so many other amazing bosses
I get the filling, but we learn that we all come from the stardust and the greater will created the stars. It is so powerful that there could be no victory. And it is so far away that not even its sent can reach it anymore and maybe it is for the best
Yeah, Godwyn the Golden would be cool as a final boss since his body lacked a soul. Radahn's soul could have been placed in his body. But as Miyazaki says, "Every Blonde HAS to go with the Redhead"
Theres still more too it, if you can revive a soul theres an opportunity for them to use godwyn as new a new idea, im hoping they might connect a plotline with another, like what they did with ariendel and the ringed city.
i think that ending line is the exact reason it’s perfect. The Land of Shadow IS the Lands Between, or at least was, and as you so said There are no Gods in the Lands Between. There are only fools who believe in hope, and abandon themselves to become a Vessel of the Outer Gods. We don’t get to fight the Outer Gods because we aren’t at their level whatsoever. We are ants.
I am makeing a Mod that makes it so you have many new things to do. Rojier, Jarron, Millicent, and Jar Bjorn all get extended quests and two new incrediblely long new quests. And you also go toe to toe with the Outer god of Death and The Greater Will.
I was so dumb, I always play blind on first run. i thought mesmer gonna be the last boss, so when i reached mesmer on the first time. I was like "wait, doesn't bit early for you to show up?".
Haven't played Bloodborne but yeah, Ringed City is still the best DLC I've ever played. Just the vibe, enemies, bosses and lore, everything is on a different level.
Im pretty sure Godwyn wouldnt work because there's still a soul in that body, its a dead body with a living soul, so technically he could be moved into Mohgs body, but Radahn makes more sense lore wise as he was Miqeullas childhood crush
I actually believe it’s a perfect ending. You must understand no matter which ending or outcome happens, it’s just another unique form of hell. This is no different. It makes total sense he chose Radhan. There was nobody else powerful enough to be his consort, could be Godwin, his body is a deformed husk of what it once was. Couldn’t be Morgott, he’s at the Erdtree. Couldn’t be Radagon, he’s in the Erdtree mending the shattered ring. It had to be Radhan, because his body lay in the desert and is intact, it’s a totally sensible ending. There is no way for Godwin to return as a fight, his fate is long sealed. My only wish is that Melina would be a fight to be revealed as the Gloam Eyed Queen, however that also would make sense since at this time she is still your maiden.
It doesnt make sense in fact, for the pact was sealed long ago, and the fatherhood aside, miquela and radahn are never seen or depicted together in the lore On the other Hand, miquella tried to save /ressurect godwin whom died in soul only… thus it would have make sense to ressurect him, in the land of shadows where all dead wash up, and use Mogh’s body as a vessel… It meant linking the one who livr in death, omens/hornsent (for it is clear they share the same lineage) and Humans thanks to godfrey’s blood But i assume it won’t take place unless another dlc comes out, and that seems likely thanks to some unused asssets just like in the end of DS3 the serpent statut at the end of the dlcc that lead to the last dlc But on the other end.. frenzied flame as been developped a bit, hornsent/omens/crucible are pretty clear by now, all that remains is the one who live in death, and the departure of the greater will
I still think that the words of count ymir are in the end the only truth we find on the outer god a broken being giving broken advice misleading broken children on a broken incompletable journey and even burning it all to ash just restarts the cycle
Radahn did not deserve better , he's already loved by the community and as a character , miquella deserved better! I thought they're gonna make him a genuine good person and the most mature of the gods with the irony of being cursed to childhood , I was so dissapointed that they turned him to a radahn simping femboy , miquella had more potential as a character then anyone else in elden ring
I think you missed the bigger implications but it’s all due to origins mostly the thing is miquella wasn’t evil he was misguided by fate he believed he was supposed to do everything he did because he was chosen to become a god which is true the other implication is that Marika took the same path as him but for a different reason the 2 are were chosen and both followed their beliefs was miquella evil for bewitching people of course but he believed it was what the fingers wanted
Worst part is that Radahn didnt want this either. Miquella wanted him from the start but he refused his enchantment, so he sent his sister to kill him to further his plan. But Radahn was stronger than the rot and continued on regardless. So he miquelest- I mean manipulated his own FULL brother Mohg to once again further his plans. Homeboy is literally Griffith.
guys Radahn literally agreed to be his consort that's why there was a vow and that's why Freya is fighting for Miquella at the end and not against him. He is called PROMISED consort, he promised this. We got zero information why he stopped the stars though, but radahn fanboys are now just making shit up
This just reinforces my stance that ranni’s ending is the true ending. She is the only one one to break the cycle. Her age isn’t one of unity under a symbol that is innately flawed but to remove it and herself from it forever.
Godwyn would work since Castle Sol tells us miquella wanted to revive a dead demigod with their soul... and radahn was just kinda of out of nowhere My bad guys... I'm kinda of an idiot
@@darkwhispersstories47 problem with that is that castle sol tells us that miquella was trying to restore a soul meaning both were up for grabs but it's kinda stupid since radahns soul was messed up by the scarlet rot and also in a item description(I forgot which one) miquella said he wanted his brother to die a true death which would require his soul to be restored according to ziostorm who is more acquainted with the lore than me so I would trust him and lastly it was stated in another item description I forgot that miquella chose radahn for being strong and kind or something but radahn loves war so that's kinda weird but Godwynn he was the perfect child... ☝️🤓 done(watch ziostorms criticism video because my points are kinda just recycled from him)
@@damusaetrum6742 you can not restore something that simply doesn't exist his followers and an ancient dragon failed for over 😑3k years to find a way to bring him back that should be enough to tell us that is impossible, it should really be obvious it could have never been Godwyn I will trust Miazaki over a manchild that forgot that Godwyn experienced true death and is straight up gone versus the guy that doesn't realise that process was revealed to Radahn now. And if you and that little cry baby payed attention to any of Radahn followers you would have realized how much praise he gets not just because of his war ideals either, yeah he admired Godfrey for his strength that does not mean he was not kind to the population of Caelid or his allies,Not to mention that Miquella items have no tie with Godwyn and his area but swords like Saint Trina were right there in Caelid
@@damusaetrum6742 what part of "Soul straight up gone" you really don't get man soul is gone you cant come back from that if an ancient dragon and his followers failed for 3k years then Miquella will have no chance, any form of RUclips channel that tries to put their headcanons as canon to any lore is not worth my time and neither are you frankly
yeah, he tried, and it doesn't work. Godwyns soul is gone, forever. His boss fight could never happen. I don't get why people still think it could. There is no possibility.
I was disappointed for a few reasons. Messmer was built up to be this big bad of the dlc, but he ends up being the first mandatory boss halfway through. We don't get Godwyn who's Soul should be here, nothing about the Gloam Eyed Queen (i hear theres some cut content, maybe) and the end boss is poor Radahn shoved into Moghs rotting corpse (who's redeemed now BTW). This isn't Radahn in his prime. Using bloodflame, Holy attacks that light up your entire neighborhood because of how bright they are. He was a master of gravity sorcery and he barely uses them. I saw a mod of Prime Radahn and he looked awesome. Then you beat him and.... that's it. Heres a bit of flashback. I'm glad i chose the Ranni ending. Let man rule themselves without any gods interfering because all they do is make things worse in the end. While me and waifu travel the universe together.
Yes, he did; *everyone* in the Lands Between deserved so much better. As much Mogh as Radahn and as much Miquella as Marika. The DLC fully hammers home the arduous, and brutal journey that founding a New Order entails. Not to pull a "we live in a society" card here, but the game is basically a giant metaphor about the realities of people who try to make the world a "better place" and the messiness that comes with social organization. Belief in the values of a noble cause will eventually fester into the kind of messed up fanaticism we saw in the Golden Order. Hell, the Hornsent's culture is basically practicing what the wise dog Miriel preached, taken to the most messed up extreme possible. The truth is, even if you are well and right (by morals, might, logic or faith ect...) it *still* won't matter; people are going to suffer in the Order you ultimately *impose* upon them. It's *never* going to be perfect. People will continue to yearn helplessly for relief from the systems that represses them; that divide and distinguishes them. It can become so unbearable that burning everything down just to find relief becomes palpable, a pain manifested in the maddening Chaos of the Frenzied Flame. But Omnicide *isn't* an answer, it's just giving up and letting the woes of the world erase everything you are. The only mildly comforting part of the DLC, and the wider message of Elden Ring (embodied by Melina), is to keep *trying* no matter how messed up it becomes, so that one day it can get better. Marika's order was better than the Hornsent's, and while it's inevitable that our own Order is also going to bring suffering (and fail) it *can* be better. Don't give in to the cruelty and hopelessness of a world brimming with adversity. Don't be discouraged into apathy, or tempted into scorn by the failures of the past. Never stop fighting for that flawed future, and maybe one day the world can truly be the gentler place Miquella dreamed of.
I have a theory that that the Castle Sol Eclipse Prophecy was fake. Miquella realized Godwyn couldn’t be resurrected because his soul was truly dead, and deserted them with a prophecy that with an almost completely impossible probability, until we come along and ruined everything >:D The eclipse wasn’t physical, rather metaphorical. We need to complete so much of Lunar Princess Ranni’s quest to get the statue, to get to her hallowbrand, to then take to Fia, and we kill the final roadblock Fortisax, so she can rebirth Marika’s Golden Son, Godwyn into the Great Rune of the Death Prince. None of that would have happened without our Tarnished.
Ngl Miquella’s plan was lowkey kinda 🔥, sure he wanted to manipulate and control everything but he is quite literally a god, is that not his right? Like fr he just wanted to establish an age of compassion where everyone lived in harmony regardless of background
Wish Miquella somehow created a fake Godwyn or something, that way the lore can stay intact while still getting to see some part of him. Maybe combine him with Mohg and Radhan for the ultimate Frankstein beast god or something. Then for second phase have some form of the Greater Will to try to intervene and have you kill it.
The thing is its a bit of a spectacle but i don't really think hes the best final boss imo especially since first phase is bassically just him doing godfrey stuff plus 3 gravity attacks and second phase is mostly the same just holy beams now he would've done much better as a protector to miquelas castle and for her the be a vengful god such as a medusa or athena gimmick
kinda wished they pulled an AOTA and had you fight miquella around 3/4 and then had you fight some eldritch abomination at the end that had lots of lore answers
Elden Ring does better use of cosmic horror than Bloodborne in that sense. While BB has the best lovecraftian theme and ambientation, you can kill the creatures in front of you, in Elden Ring you can't kill the Greater Will, the Formless Mother, the God of Rot, you wouldn't have been even able to burn the Erdtree if it wasn't because of Melina or the Three Fingers, we stand powerless and do what we can with creatures and outer gods we barely know about
Did Mohg really deserve better? From my knowledge Mohg has a blood themed cult that uses the blood of a tarnished's maiden for a ritual to prove your allegiance to the Mohgwyn dynasty. He also recruited okina, a man who thirsts for bloodshed and varre, a sadistic killer. It's uncertain whether miquella influenced these actions of Mohg and if he was a different person before miquella's charm but I believe that to not be true since miquella's charm didn't cause his other victims to injure, kill, or torment for pleasure.
@@wace9174 As far as Demigods go Mohg and Morgott can be understood if not supported. The Formless mother enabled Mohg to leave the sewers and make something of himself I can't blame him for going all in.
@@andrefigueredo34 I don't blame him and I do believe he deserves better when he was younger but when started Mohgwyn dynasty I lost sympathy for him and he no longer deserved better.
The problem is that technically - the final boss is not Radahn, but Miquella Radahn is dead, well, his soul is probably still alive somewhere but Miquella miquellested Radahn and mind controlling him so that body is entirely Miquella So realistically, this is fighting against Miquella, which is still alittle on the cheap side
I was dissapointed because I wanted to fight Miquella, what we got was reused boss thematically with Miquella cosplaying a cape. With more blinding effects than entirety of dark souls 1 and 2.
But Mogh never was the Moghlester, for he was the one being Mohglested and... deathbeded,... fiad... Well i guess he was also mind controlled... Honestly mohg was way less of a creep that i thought. Hell in this light he seems morel ike a good guy who just wanted a place to live and follow his own god.
See i disagree and think it's fine for one reason: it fills the missing parts of miquella's story. Prior he was a prodigy that was reduced to egg, but now has a plot that rivals even Ranni's ambition. The others need their stories completed but Miquella having his is not bad and adds tragedy to radahn and mogh
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Miquella miqulested radahn and mogh then put radahn soul into moghs dead body, mogh never wanted to be the moghlester
I think there's a pretty good chance Mohg would still try to be his consort even without the mind control
@@TheKevDevyeah because miquella doesn't control minds. he compels affection and leaves reason and wit in tact. everyhing mohg did came from his own internal logic and interpretation of the affection miquella compelled, which is probably why he was chosen.
@@rockytokyo Exactly. I'm tired of seeing people say that Miquella brainwashes people and puppeteers them. He doesn't. He compels love. The Bewitching Branch states it outright. So the only ''brainwashing'' he does is making people fall in love with him. After that, everything they do is still a choice of their own.
@@rockytokyo What about Ansbachn Freyjan and the Hornsent?
Ansbach wanted to free Mohg.
Freyja felt compelled to follow Miquella even though him and his twin were the cause of her scarlet rot injury and harmed/indirectly killed Radahn.
Hornsent hated the gods and had no plans of working with Leda.
Hell, even we can be in a middle of a fight against Radahn, then Miquella could instantly makes us a loyal puppet with a touch.
He never was 😢
Radahn halting the stars was him preventing himself from dying and going to land of shadows. Stalling miquells plan.
makes sense, poor guy.
Then why would he run festival for participants to kill him?
How did him stalling the stars stop him from dying?
@@chrisg3678radahn holding the stars is to stop the unimaginable monstrosities like Astel from getting to the lands in between. His fate wasn’t in the hands of the stars but in the hands of malenia, she would be the deciding factor since she has the power to kill him and bring him to miquella so he can charm him. But in the end it didn’t work because the tarnished regained his grace and decided to become Elden lord. I also think there’s a possibility of the tarnished being a Demi god himself, since he can use the power of every weapon and skill since he most likely was a child of marika that was killed and put inside a masoleum.
@@chrisg3678he’s Carian, and if Miquella promised that he would be his consort then it in a way was his fate, therefore governed by the movement of the stars
I just wish there was an ending cinematic after Radahn and Miquella, the little memory cutscene is underwhelming
Or even just some final words from Miquella to the player as he dies.
This. THIS is the most poignant and precise message of the DLC. Miquella was “kind” and wanted an era of compassion, but despite his literal age, Miquella was still a child in mind. He was naive to believe he could subvert the cycle, become something else. He was just more of the same.
Miyazaki loves his cycles
@@TheKevDev and feet
@@nicolasbarbosa8270don’t forget the poison swamps
@@hudsonclark4943 yeah we can't forget those
Well.. not so kind to manipulate and make everyone love you against there own will isn’t very kind at all, and all he really wanted was to be a god in other lands very selfish
I really wished that we would see the Gloam Eyed Queen and get new Black Flame Incantations
Dammit, there goes another good idea.
Should've seen everyone we didn't see. Instead we got Ying-yang Bizarro World.
"Y'know how Goldmask was so chill? Well get ready for Flamemask! With zero chill!"
The Anti Gold Mask
The Gloam Eyed Queen is the new Velka or Gertrude.
The gloam eyed queen is heavily implied to be melina, the gloam eyed queen is melina daughter and hates the frenzy flame which is exactly what melina is. On top of that if you pick the frenzy flame ending them Melina’s eye turns purple and gloemed over further support of her being the gloamed eye queen
@@tylersuarez7355 that makes NO sense if you remember the gloam eyed queen is said to have been defeated by maliketh, which how would she be around if she was killed with destined death
Promised consort Radahn isn't a prime radahn but almost a new entity entirely with no free will.
Still his prime, like he's stronger than ever.
@@Aptodios-mx2lfNot really though he's in an entirely different body that he has literally to no training in that also has an entire new type of magic that we see he tries and fails once or twice to use where he'll actually use blood flame in his first phase once or twice
@@YeetSpace yeah but come on, he's boosted by a god... And maybe he doesn't know the blood flame magic but he still perfectly master gravity sorcery. So yes he's in his prime in term of strenght, but he's indeed not the "true" Radahn.
@@Aptodios-mx2lf yeah but like in the way that words mean things when you say them just because you say he's prime doesn't mean he is though. Like just factually he's not. There's not really like a argument of power I'm trying to make here just by the way that words work when you use them to say things, he's not in his prime
@@YeetSpace bro he is 🤣
Like pre Malenia Radahn would get his ass kicked by the dlc one...
"Righteous Tarnished...
...become our new Lord...
...A Lord not for gods...
...but for men."
I like the parallel between rannis quest line and miquellas
I'm glad I ain't the only one who noticed!
I think it also echoes the fact Incantations and Sorceries are essentially the same. The nature of Glintstone, the Primeval Current and the additional context we get from Ymir only further reinforce this IMO.
Miquella used "faith" and sought ascension via divine ritual, amassing fanatical followers who believed in his vision of a gentler world (willingly or not...). He embraced the future fated by the Fingers, and entered the metaphysical Realm of Shadow to divest himself from everything, to be re-made alongside his one and only chosen Consort.
Ranni used "intelligence" and approached it like one would a formula, scheming in secret to orchestrate her personal emancipation from the fate imposed on her by the Fingers. She remained in the physical Lands Between and started to divest herself of everything to gain it. Our actions serve to finally sever the last of her connections to the world until only we are left as her Consort.
Logic and observation may reveal that there are no true Gods, but preternatural forces do exist in the world of Elden Ring with a will behind them; it's not really a mistake to think them Divine. Conversely, these influences may be godlike in power, but that doesn't mean that they're deserving of our faith.
Fr I was trying to think of any real difference between what Miquella is doing vs ranni. Like why do we have to stop him, but have the option to help ranni?
"There are no gods in the lands between. There are only fools who believed in hope and abandoned themselves to be a vessel of the outer gods."
THAT LAST LINE
Godwyn: so is everyone going to forget about me?!
Everybody else who has been included: maybe?
Well Godwyn, your soul is utterly gone for good, like fully destroyed into nothingness, your living corps is deeply rooted within the Eerdtree and the entire Lands Between and beyond, and your entire story was, at the very least, 99,99% done 5000 years before the base game, the only 0,01% left being Fia's questline and the base game ending Age of the Duskborn, YOUR age by the way.
So yes you weren't needed for the DLC. Try to rest in peace as much as possible with that souless living corps of yours, ô First of the Dead, Prince of Death, Father of the Many and the Meak.
@@paulpoumet773 godwyn: FUUUUUUU-
Then is Ranni's philosophy the best way we could follow.
Reasons over beliefs
Ranni's ending is still probably the best; IMO tied with Goldmask's.
People are going to continue to struggle, but at least their struggles will be theirs, and they can truly decide their own fates.
@@papanurgle8393 I thought Goldmask's ending took away people's free will?
Wrong: ONLY the Frenzied Flame ending ends the cycle. May Chaos take the world.
@@brandencowdry7307 yeah yur a Psychopath
@@brandencowdry7307maidenless behavior sir
Makes me wonder if st.trina and Miguella are a marika and radagon situation
They are! In alchemy it’s called a rebis which is both male and female and said to be closer to divinity and the philosopher’s stone with the power to heal. Fits all their themes in the story too.
Yes I believe it was confirmed
It was confirmed
@@tylervonaegirwhen was it confirmed
@@thetitaniumviper4734 Miquella has to discard all of his parts and feelings to ascend to godhood, St. Trina was always considered to be Miquella, Tholier after Miquella breaks his rune tells you that St. Trina is the discarded half.
Also the Miquella's Cross in Coffin fissure literally says "I abandon here my love" which could mean St. Trina as she seems to care a lot about Miquella.
The reason we all expected there tp be mlre Godwyn content was that he was the first demigod to fall. The first to succumb to the shadow of death but only partly. A husk that just laid there. Many were thinking Miquella would revive his soul into a new body or somehow combine both body and soul and create something *new*.
But the theory was right about the actions but the wrong who. Mohg's body and Radahn's soul was not a syrong theory.
What was a strong theory was Mohg and Miquella having a pact or plan but it was Radahn with the pact, whether willing or unwilling, and Mohg being the manipulated.
Many though that St. Trina was the evil aide but thats the nice o e
I mean it makes sense why malenia and radahn fought i never knew the reason
To be honest, I'm not sure why people think there's so much unanswered stuff with Godwyn when he essentially has an entire ending all to himself, being the Age of the Duskborn. The only other demigod who can claim an ending of their own is Ranni.
@@delrunplays2903 We really just wanted a boss fight against him. some sort of undead lightning warrior to match fortissax. We got the death knights who fit that model and undead dragons. so we have related stuff but just not the main man himself. could have gotten another nameless king fight
@@delrunplays2903 The Castle Sol lore directly stated that Godwyn (a soulless demigod) could be revived when an eclipse happened, and Castle Sol was working for Miquella by trying to call the Eclipse, in the same fashion as Griffith from Berserk, his character's inspiration. This was the previously theorised justification for the Aeonia war, because Radahn holding the stars in place means the moon can't cause an eclipse, and made a whole lot more sense than the actual "justification." Miquella also wanted to revive Godwyn/at least give him a true death (perfect justification for a boss fight) as directly stated by the Golden Epitaph item description, so he had the motive. We also know absolutely nothing about Godwyn pre-death besides that he was nice to dragons, so that leaves a ton of room for character exploration, and he's also like the main long term danger to the Lands Between with his deathroot. His ending was also very lackluster and inconclusive in the base game, and plus he's just very interesting and people were excited to fight him.
Godwyn seemed like the main focus of Miquella's plan, so him not being a boss, not being relevant in the slightest in the DLC, and not even getting any meaningful lore besides "he had knights" confused and annoyed a lot of players, especially given how smoothly he would have fit into the role of Miquella's promised consort instead of lame fanservice Radahn. To me it reeks of a rewrite or abrupt change of plans, because Radahn and Miquella's relationship isn't foreshadowed in the slightest in the base game while Godwyn and Miquella is. They foreshadowed the means in which he'd come back, the motive Miquella had to do so, but that whole plot thread just ended up being unresolved. Disappointing :(
But there is no soul to revive Godwyn. His entire store was, at the very least, 99,99% already done 5000 years before the base game. The remaining 0,01% left are Fia's questline and the Age of the Duskborn which is technically HIS age by the way, which means that there is already a whole ending to his already long ended story.
So it seems the best outcome is still marrying Rani and watching over the realm from above. Let the mortals figure things out on their own without the divine directly screwing around with them.
Yup that’s what I was thinking
Goldmask is a similar deal
I'd rather choose to the flame of Frenzy. May Chaos take the world
Shabriri is that you my guy?@smarmycannon500
@@seanriley2534 maybe
i wouldnt see miquella or marika free from their crimes. Thhey still had free will. The tragedy in elden ring comes in my eyes from human beeings (who are of course inherently faulty) gaining the powers of a god and then using it to their ends.
Miquellas age of compassion might sound nice or come from his serious wish to make peoples lifes better but his childishness and generel tendancy for controll turns it into a nightmare.
Marika uses her powers as god to become the vessel for the literal rules of the world- just so that she can both get revenge and (presumatly) avoid her trauma by creating a world without death- screwing up the natural order.
This is why i prefare gold masks ending: an age were noone can continue to alter the rules of the world for their own gain.
Radahn was the true hero of this family. His sacrifice and strength were the last bastion. And we destroyed him for it. 💔
The one thing we did learn was that there was a vow of some sort. That's still an unanswered question, as are the means through which Melina came to be with Torrent after Miquella, and how Ranni is familiar with Torrent.
One thing I noticed forever ago was that in the base game, 3 characters had a ring on the same finger (the right ring finger); Miquella, on the withered hand; Ranni, a small ring that is there before you give her the Dark Moon Ring; and Melina, whose ring is the Spectral steed whistle before she gives it to the player.
Apparently, wearing a ring on that finger is symbolic of a vow. It seems that somehow, there were alliances made between these 3. Maybe that had something to do with the vow Miquella talks about in the last cutscene. Even then, there are still questions left to figure out.
I truly hope we get another dlc that expands on deathblight lore. Particularly grafting, because its never directly stated how its done, but since all of it is tied to the shed skin of godwyns corpse below stormveil castle in the base game, I've always been under the speculation that grafting is a process of inflicting a creature with deathblight, thus killing its soul but leaving its body undead, then before its able to naturally reanimate, fusing it with your own flesh allowing you to impose the will of your soul upon the undead flesh. I could also very easily see a godwyn bossfight inspired by ludwig the holy blade. In his first phase, a twisted creature filled with all the souls of those who live in death, driven mad by their screams. Then, the soul of godwyn is able to reclaim control of his body once more, and though twisted and mishapen, he begins to wield his golden lightning against us, even tainted as it is by the deathblight
I think grafting is a genetic trait of the shamans, so Marika's lineage has the power to do it.
@C3lticlord That's what they do to make the living jars, fusing the souls of many beings into a jar, with the shaman as a base. It's possible considering the boss arena for Godrick is right next to some living jars, but grafting doesn't have the same effect as the flesh melding in the living jars does. That gives life to a completely inanimate object, but that inanimate object takes on its own unique identity and personality. Grafting is a little different since it requires a living host that grafts dead flesh onto their body. The flesh doesn't become a soft pink lump like in a living jar, it maintains the same form it had when it was grafted, and it only grants the physical skills that flesh possessed. Alexander was able to use fire based attacks and had super high fire resistance after consuming the flesh of redmanes, and tempering himself in a volcano. While maybe the volcano alone gave him his powers, I think he is able to absorb some of the soul of the flesh he absorbs, letting him gain some of the knowledge of the flame arts the redmanes were famous for. I would imagine grafting could be an offshoot of the process used to make living jars, but I can't see them being exactly the same since the affects and end results aren't the same. Perhaps someone used deathblight and the process the greater potentates used to make livings jars to make graftable flesh
Edit: Sorry that's a lot lol, grafting is something that's barely touched on in the story outside of stromveil, and I've been curious about it forever
They have nothing more planned for elden ring rn. If there was another DLC that would be planned months before this one released.
@@sixheadhydra2317 Marika is from the Shaman village you find in the dlc, perhaps the grafting is an evolution of the melding you see with the Shamans and the jars? But in the main game the jars do say they add the corpses of their victims into the jar, so that means dead material will get merged. I think that they are the same mechanic but because the shamans are inside a tight space as the jar, when they graft it just becomes mush as there's no room.
@C3lticlord That's true, but the main difference is in the identity of the hosts. Alexander describes himself as being made up of the souls of many warriors, whereas godrick maintains his singular identity. I think that's where deathblight comes in, since it's described as killing the soul, but leaving the flesh undead. That way, rather than becoming an amalgamation of many souls, you maintain your singularity
It was already over by the time he casted of his ‘love’
Holy shit was this heavy as hell how do you not have more subs?! This is some shit Vaati Vidya would’ve said!
Cuz I don’t post often and all my vids are so different haha. DLC got me excited to make vids again and even got a new long form vid recently! Appreciate your kind words!
@@TheKevDev checked it out and I must say you have a talent for this! Hope you shine!
I thought it was awesome that we got to see Radahn in his prime, he was known as the strongest of the demigods so I don't know why it would be anyone else. The fact that we got to see Miquella in full was cool too. The shadow realm is everything discarded by Marika and the golden order, things and people that were abandoned or deemed lesser before the shattering. Godwyn was the pride of Marika until his "death". It doesn't really make sense for him to be in the shadow realm. Miquella divested himself of grace and retired to the shadow realm, Radahn had made a pact with him before the Shattering to be his consort. I honestly believe that Miquella wasn't using his powers to control the minds of Radahn or even Mohg. Mohg being omen born tracks pretty well with why he would follow Miquella. And they point out multiple times that despite Radahns skill in battle, he was kind and compassionate compared to the other demigods. Also when Miquella controls your mind in the final fight you get a bird sigil over your head to represent the spell. Neither Mohg nor Radahn had that. I do agree that Miquellas rule would be no different than Marika's tho, you can't make the world exactly how you want it without controlling people.
We do see traces of godwyn in the dlc or perhaps his “cadaver surrogates” guarded by death knights. I could see his corpse being discarded after his death. And while referred to as kind, I think that may just be Radahn when he was younger. He lived for war and Freyja even says he would love to continue war into eternity, so perhaps while kind, peace does not suit him. Maybe that would change with Miquella though. Seeing radahn is his prime was pretty hype too
As a little thing to point out, we know that Miquella put the people following him into the realm of shadow under the same or at least a similar spell and they don't have, as far as i know (even though if they had some indication it would be amazing to find out) that same symbol above their head. Because of that I got myself questioning which and if there is at least one relationship with Miquella that he hasn't manipulated the person into, though that might be too much.
The only reason that symbol pops up is because of his godly circlet. Radahn didn't want to be his consort hence Melania tried to kill him. Mogh was most definitely bewitched, why would he talk about his dynasty but throw it away for miquellas rule? He wanted miquella to be his consort and instead was tricked into helping miquella reach the shadow lands.
@@teamtea3439 None of the people that go into the shadow realm are directly under Miquellas spell, half of them end up rebelling against Miquella by the end. Miquella guided people who already followed him to the shadow realm sure but not against their will. If that was the case neither Ansbach or Thiollier would help you in the final fight and Hornsent was there for vengeance against Mesmer. It's also pointed out that Radahn promised before the Shattering to be Miquellas champion because he supported his vision, I believe Mohg followed him for the same reason.
@@DoctorPecker That's not true, Miquella used Mohgs fully intact and living body to implant and house Radahns soul and power. There's nothing that indicates Radahn would be weaker because of it. Mohg is as much a demigod as Radahn, and the body is far less important than the soul as far as the demigods are concerned. It's made clear that the demigods don't truly die in Elden Ring, you destroy their bodies but their souls live on to be reincarnated in the future. What Miquella does with Radahns soul is no different. It is definitely Radahn in his prime, fully reborn
Man. Was I the only one excited to see him? It's like theres this fad for being disappointed it wasn't someone else. Godwyn doesn't even make any sense. Not sure why anyone would expect that to happen. Genuinely surprised people were disappointed after having one of the best boss fights in gaming history get an upgrade.
Dude, I completely agree. The Souls community can be great, but it also has a terrible penchant for being ungrateful. I practically screamed when I realized Radahn might come back; always missed the pre-nerf fight from the launch. And I’m so damn tired of simps screaming about Malenia’s supremacy regardless of any proof to the contrary.
And this kids is text book cult member behavior 🎉
@@christianbaker3564 ?
@@vaednarisverse6133 The fromsoft fans are in a cult. Lol get it now?
@@christianbaker3564 then why are you here?
Well now we can have a 2nd dlc with Miquella posessing Godwyns body.
They said there will be no second dlc. Maybe a sequel? And there were some talks of a movie too
@@TheKevDev they actually said that while they have no plans for a 2nd dlc or game they didn't want to completely outright remove the option. Basically if they come up with a really cool idea then we will get a 2nd dlc but only if they get a good idea for it.
I feel like Elden Ring deserves a second DLC, fully fleshing out the outer gods, as well as (especially) Godwyn. It could be required to have beaten Fortissax, maybe even have beaten the game, and possibly use the DLC gates of divinity. We could travel to a new realm like 'The realm of true death' where peoples souls who have died like Godwyn reside, or people who did not return to the Erdtree. Maybe a bunch of Hornsent and blasphemous bosses. Maybe even give the ability to become a shell for an outer god that gives you a new game ending. Could control it the same way as the frenzied flame
The whole point of "true death" is that your soul is not stored somewhere else, it simply no longer exist. Destroyed into nothingness.
Godwyn's story ended 5000 years before the base game. The only remaining story is Fia's questline with the Age of the Duskborn ending.
There are no gods in the lands between, only monsters.
Does that make the Tarnished the monster slayer, or the monster themselves?
Radahn was the MVP all along.
Holding the stars could prevent many catastrophe from progressing.
It's Miquella & Malenia that is the evil one all along.
Radahn is the Lu Bu of Elden Ring.
Holding stars is what started whole family killing family business. Radahn is a fucking indirect progenitor of everything because he wanted to stop stars medling with stuff.
He stopped stars, that stopped Ranni from fatereading, Ranni picked her other brother Rykard who had doubts about golden order at the time and they stole piece of death, then Godwyn got iced by the said piece of death, Marika shattered ring because her favorite child became another monster, and everyone starts a war over great runes, Miquella started his ascension program and sent Malenia to kill Radahn while he called Mohg to Über him elsewhere, oh and Caelid became nuclear wasteland with Radahn rotting away.
So yes he is an MVP because everything went to shit because he decided that blocking literal cosmological phenomenon and a direct influence of greater will is a good idea.
The Rennalla music in bg is banger
bro when i made my build i thought my drip was an original idea until i saw this vid 💀same weapon and staff too😭
Short answer: yes
Godwyn should definitely be the next dlc or the start of Elden ring 2 because from what I know he’s watching our every move he’s even in the dlc .. I also don’t think they would just put him in and never use him why even make godwyn if that was the case so let’s hope either Elden ring 2 will be about him or next dlc
That’s why we need a second DLC. It can’t end here it feels like there’s way too much left to explore.
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Finaly someone who brings up the fact Godwyn soul is gone.
Cool video, but something i don't agree with is the fact is the fact that Greater Will is a being who would need to trick someone into being it's vessel, it's the creator of the Elden ring wich is litteraly has control of concepts like destininy, life, death and stars. Also in japanese the terms used to refer to the Greater Will seem to associate it with God. Also Imyr says that the fingers were too young to fullfill their role so we don't even know if they could even ear the its words.
When I saw radhan’s new armor I was so excited thinking ooo that’s gonna look good especially with that sexy red cape then I put it on and I was disappointed it doesn’t look that good on the player character model
Would’ve been really cool if there was a choice before the final fight on whether to help Miquella or stop him. Like if we helped him we would’ve had to fight a shadow version of the elden beast or something.
i’m personally glad it was radahn and not someone else, it really brings the story full circle knowing that malenia was sent to kill radahn and bring him into the realm of shadow in the first place.
I was so ready to face Godwyn or even Miquella himself who divests his flesh and feelings, becoming some sort of monster. I am glad that DLC has so many other amazing bosses
I get the filling, but we learn that we all come from the stardust and the greater will created the stars. It is so powerful that there could be no victory. And it is so far away that not even its sent can reach it anymore and maybe it is for the best
Yeah, Godwyn the Golden would be cool as a final boss since his body lacked a soul. Radahn's soul could have been placed in his body.
But as Miyazaki says, "Every Blonde HAS to go with the Redhead"
So let it be from start to finish, the way it has always been. For it shall end the same as it began, with the death of a king
Theres still more too it, if you can revive a soul theres an opportunity for them to use godwyn as new a new idea, im hoping they might connect a plotline with another, like what they did with ariendel and the ringed city.
What would be Miquela's Compassion if he has already abandoned Love. (The emotion similar to how he divested his doubt, etc- not just Trina.)
i think that ending line is the exact reason it’s perfect. The Land of Shadow IS the Lands Between, or at least was, and as you so said
There are no Gods in the Lands Between. There are only fools who believe in hope, and abandon themselves to become a Vessel of the Outer Gods.
We don’t get to fight the Outer Gods because we aren’t at their level whatsoever. We are ants.
Goddman man. Applause.
I would hope if they do a second dlc that we do fight the greater will itself
It was the Twin Princes 2.0
I am makeing a Mod that makes it so you have many new things to do. Rojier, Jarron, Millicent, and Jar Bjorn all get extended quests and two new incrediblely long new quests. And you also go toe to toe with the Outer god of Death and The Greater Will.
I was so dumb, I always play blind on first run. i thought mesmer gonna be the last boss, so when i reached mesmer on the first time. I was like "wait, doesn't bit early for you to show up?".
May uh… chaos take the world
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Ringed City and Old Hunter will remain undefeated
Haven't played Bloodborne but yeah, Ringed City is still the best DLC I've ever played. Just the vibe, enemies, bosses and lore, everything is on a different level.
About the lore, yes, but gameplay no
true, sote remained luckluster in terms of plot. surprisingly.
I think a "corpse without a soul" would have made an excellent boss fight instead of fighting the newlywed boys
Sadness ahead
There is gonna be one more DLC. Hopefully!
There won't. They literally have nothing more planned for elden ring from multiple interviews I read.
@@GRIMHOOD99 yeah just like DS3
I love that in the DLC, we're purely the good guy
Im pretty sure Godwyn wouldnt work because there's still a soul in that body, its a dead body with a living soul, so technically he could be moved into Mohgs body, but Radahn makes more sense lore wise as he was Miqeullas childhood crush
I actually believe it’s a perfect ending. You must understand no matter which ending or outcome happens, it’s just another unique form of hell. This is no different. It makes total sense he chose Radhan. There was nobody else powerful enough to be his consort, could be Godwin, his body is a deformed husk of what it once was. Couldn’t be Morgott, he’s at the Erdtree. Couldn’t be Radagon, he’s in the Erdtree mending the shattered ring. It had to be Radhan, because his body lay in the desert and is intact, it’s a totally sensible ending. There is no way for Godwin to return as a fight, his fate is long sealed. My only wish is that Melina would be a fight to be revealed as the Gloam Eyed Queen, however that also would make sense since at this time she is still your maiden.
It doesnt make sense in fact, for the pact was sealed long ago, and the fatherhood aside, miquela and radahn are never seen or depicted together in the lore
On the other Hand, miquella tried to save /ressurect godwin whom died in soul only… thus it would have make sense to ressurect him, in the land of shadows where all dead wash up, and use Mogh’s body as a vessel…
It meant linking the one who livr in death, omens/hornsent (for it is clear they share the same lineage) and Humans thanks to godfrey’s blood
But i assume it won’t take place unless another dlc comes out, and that seems likely thanks to some unused asssets just like in the end of DS3 the serpent statut at the end of the dlcc that lead to the last dlc
But on the other end.. frenzied flame as been developped a bit, hornsent/omens/crucible are pretty clear by now, all that remains is the one who live in death, and the departure of the greater will
I think DLC pretty much seals the deal that Melina isn't GEQ
Thank you for flat out pointing out that Godwyn can't be brought back. The soul is gone.
I am just thankful its not consort malenia so ı can keep my controller unshattered
I wonder if ranni also loses herself and becomes a puppet vessel of the lunar gods after her ending.
I expect to make new ending and join Miquella like in Ranni quest
I still think that the words of count ymir are in the end the only truth we find on the outer god a broken being giving broken advice misleading broken children on a broken incompletable journey and even burning it all to ash just restarts the cycle
I'm way more curious to see what Mohg was like before Miquella's influence than I was to see Radahn in his prime (built out of Mohg's body).
Miquella should have chose us, the maidenless Tarnished with no renoun.
Radahn did not deserve better , he's already loved by the community and as a character , miquella deserved better! I thought they're gonna make him a genuine good person and the most mature of the gods with the irony of being cursed to childhood , I was so dissapointed that they turned him to a radahn simping femboy , miquella had more potential as a character then anyone else in elden ring
Good idea, putting a spoiler warning but making the final boss the thumbnail of another short.
Sorry bout that. RUclips doesn’t let you choose thumbnails on shorts. It’s incredibly bad
@@TheKevDev seriously? That's so stupid
I thought it was mohgs soul in radahns body but the otherway around makes more sense
I think you missed the bigger implications but it’s all due to origins mostly the thing is miquella wasn’t evil he was misguided by fate he believed he was supposed to do everything he did because he was chosen to become a god which is true the other implication is that Marika took the same path as him but for a different reason the 2 are were chosen and both followed their beliefs was miquella evil for bewitching people of course but he believed it was what the fingers wanted
Radahn didnt even have his horse
I don't think it would've made sense for radhan to have his horse since only mohg's body was brought in the shadow realm.
Worst part is that Radahn didnt want this either. Miquella wanted him from the start but he refused his enchantment, so he sent his sister to kill him to further his plan. But Radahn was stronger than the rot and continued on regardless. So he miquelest- I mean manipulated his own FULL brother Mohg to once again further his plans. Homeboy is literally Griffith.
guys Radahn literally agreed to be his consort that's why there was a vow and that's why Freya is fighting for Miquella at the end and not against him. He is called PROMISED consort, he promised this. We got zero information why he stopped the stars though, but radahn fanboys are now just making shit up
@@Avocado_san He stopped the stars to protect Sellia. Its written on one of the sword monuments. We've known about this since day 1.
This just reinforces my stance that ranni’s ending is the true ending. She is the only one one to break the cycle. Her age isn’t one of unity under a symbol that is innately flawed but to remove it and herself from it forever.
Radahn literally got forced to be gay.
Godwyn would work since Castle Sol tells us miquella wanted to revive a dead demigod with their soul... and radahn was just kinda of out of nowhere
My bad guys... I'm kinda of an idiot
my man the main problem with that is that Godwyn experienced true death his soul is bye bye.
Radahn didn't so his soul was up for grabs
@@darkwhispersstories47 problem with that is that castle sol tells us that miquella was trying to restore a soul meaning both were up for grabs but it's kinda stupid since radahns soul was messed up by the scarlet rot and also in a item description(I forgot which one) miquella said he wanted his brother to die a true death which would require his soul to be restored according to ziostorm who is more acquainted with the lore than me so I would trust him and lastly it was stated in another item description I forgot that miquella chose radahn for being strong and kind or something but radahn loves war so that's kinda weird but Godwynn he was the perfect child... ☝️🤓 done(watch ziostorms criticism video because my points are kinda just recycled from him)
@@damusaetrum6742 you can not restore something that simply doesn't exist his followers and an ancient dragon failed for over 😑3k years to find a way to bring him back that should be enough to tell us that is impossible, it should really be obvious it could have never been Godwyn I will trust Miazaki over a manchild that forgot that Godwyn experienced true death and is straight up gone versus the guy that doesn't realise that process was revealed to Radahn now.
And if you and that little cry baby payed attention to any of Radahn followers you would have realized how much praise he gets not just because of his war ideals either, yeah he admired Godfrey for his strength that does not mean he was not kind to the population of Caelid or his allies,Not to mention that Miquella items have no tie with Godwyn and his area but swords like Saint Trina were right there in Caelid
@@damusaetrum6742 what part of "Soul straight up gone" you really don't get man soul is gone you cant come back from that if an ancient dragon and his followers failed for 3k years then Miquella will have no chance, any form of RUclips channel that tries to put their headcanons as canon to any lore is not worth my time and neither are you frankly
yeah, he tried, and it doesn't work. Godwyns soul is gone, forever. His boss fight could never happen. I don't get why people still think it could. There is no possibility.
I was disappointed for a few reasons. Messmer was built up to be this big bad of the dlc, but he ends up being the first mandatory boss halfway through. We don't get Godwyn who's Soul should be here, nothing about the Gloam Eyed Queen (i hear theres some cut content, maybe) and the end boss is poor Radahn shoved into Moghs rotting corpse (who's redeemed now BTW).
This isn't Radahn in his prime. Using bloodflame, Holy attacks that light up your entire neighborhood because of how bright they are. He was a master of gravity sorcery and he barely uses them. I saw a mod of Prime Radahn and he looked awesome.
Then you beat him and.... that's it. Heres a bit of flashback.
I'm glad i chose the Ranni ending. Let man rule themselves without any gods interfering because all they do is make things worse in the end. While me and waifu travel the universe together.
Yes, he did; *everyone* in the Lands Between deserved so much better. As much Mogh as Radahn and as much Miquella as Marika. The DLC fully hammers home the arduous, and brutal journey that founding a New Order entails.
Not to pull a "we live in a society" card here, but the game is basically a giant metaphor about the realities of people who try to make the world a "better place" and the messiness that comes with social organization.
Belief in the values of a noble cause will eventually fester into the kind of messed up fanaticism we saw in the Golden Order. Hell, the Hornsent's culture is basically practicing what the wise dog Miriel preached, taken to the most messed up extreme possible. The truth is, even if you are well and right (by morals, might, logic or faith ect...) it *still* won't matter; people are going to suffer in the Order you ultimately *impose* upon them.
It's *never* going to be perfect. People will continue to yearn helplessly for relief from the systems that represses them; that divide and distinguishes them. It can become so unbearable that burning everything down just to find relief becomes palpable, a pain manifested in the maddening Chaos of the Frenzied Flame. But Omnicide *isn't* an answer, it's just giving up and letting the woes of the world erase everything you are.
The only mildly comforting part of the DLC, and the wider message of Elden Ring (embodied by Melina), is to keep *trying* no matter how messed up it becomes, so that one day it can get better. Marika's order was better than the Hornsent's, and while it's inevitable that our own Order is also going to bring suffering (and fail) it *can* be better.
Don't give in to the cruelty and hopelessness of a world brimming with adversity. Don't be discouraged into apathy, or tempted into scorn by the failures of the past. Never stop fighting for that flawed future, and maybe one day the world can truly be the gentler place Miquella dreamed of.
a lot of characters deserved better.
True wich is why I like Rannis ending the most no God's no kings only knowledge
I have a theory that that the Castle Sol Eclipse Prophecy was fake. Miquella realized Godwyn couldn’t be resurrected because his soul was truly dead, and deserted them with a prophecy that with an almost completely impossible probability, until we come along and ruined everything >:D
The eclipse wasn’t physical, rather metaphorical. We need to complete so much of Lunar Princess Ranni’s quest to get the statue, to get to her hallowbrand, to then take to Fia, and we kill the final roadblock Fortisax, so she can rebirth Marika’s Golden Son, Godwyn into the Great Rune of the Death Prince. None of that would have happened without our Tarnished.
Ngl Miquella’s plan was lowkey kinda 🔥, sure he wanted to manipulate and control everything but he is quite literally a god, is that not his right? Like fr he just wanted to establish an age of compassion where everyone lived in harmony regardless of background
Wish Miquella somehow created a fake Godwyn or something, that way the lore can stay intact while still getting to see some part of him. Maybe combine him with Mohg and Radhan for the ultimate Frankstein beast god or something. Then for second phase have some form of the Greater Will to try to intervene and have you kill it.
The greater will is not an outer god
The thing is its a bit of a spectacle but i don't really think hes the best final boss imo especially since first phase is bassically just him doing godfrey stuff plus 3 gravity attacks and second phase is mostly the same just holy beams now he would've done much better as a protector to miquelas castle and for her the be a vengful god such as a medusa or athena gimmick
kinda wished they pulled an AOTA and had you fight miquella around 3/4 and then had you fight some eldritch abomination at the end that had lots of lore answers
Proving Ranni and lord of chaos are the good endings
Elden Ring does better use of cosmic horror than Bloodborne in that sense. While BB has the best lovecraftian theme and ambientation, you can kill the creatures in front of you, in Elden Ring you can't kill the Greater Will, the Formless Mother, the God of Rot, you wouldn't have been even able to burn the Erdtree if it wasn't because of Melina or the Three Fingers, we stand powerless and do what we can with creatures and outer gods we barely know about
Godwyn works perfectly because hes a corpse without a soul, same way Mohg was. Godwyns soul could have been returned.
I know Mohg deserved better, plus it made more sense to me that Miquella would enter the shadow to find Messmer rather than Radahn
Did Mohg really deserve better? From my knowledge Mohg has a blood themed cult that uses the blood of a tarnished's maiden for a ritual to prove your allegiance to the Mohgwyn dynasty. He also recruited okina, a man who thirsts for bloodshed and varre, a sadistic killer. It's uncertain whether miquella influenced these actions of Mohg and if he was a different person before miquella's charm but I believe that to not be true since miquella's charm didn't cause his other victims to injure, kill, or torment for pleasure.
@@wace9174 As far as Demigods go Mohg and Morgott can be understood if not supported.
The Formless mother enabled Mohg to leave the sewers and make something of himself I can't blame him for going all in.
@@andrefigueredo34 I don't blame him and I do believe he deserves better when he was younger but when started Mohgwyn dynasty I lost sympathy for him and he no longer deserved better.
@@wace9174 I get what you're saying but hey at least we got an awesome boss fight and NIHIL
@@andrefigueredo34 true
May chaos take the world..!
So what’s happens to Miquelle when you kill Radahn? Does he also die?
"did radahn deserve better" BRO is that even a question?! 😭😭😭😭
No, Radahn didn't deserve better. Miquella shouldn't have given up on Godwyn and neither should've Miyazaki.
The problem is that technically - the final boss is not Radahn, but Miquella
Radahn is dead, well, his soul is probably still alive somewhere but Miquella miquellested Radahn and mind controlling him so that body is entirely Miquella
So realistically, this is fighting against Miquella, which is still alittle on the cheap side
Elden ring 2: killing the greater will
I was dissapointed because I wanted to fight Miquella, what we got was reused boss thematically with Miquella cosplaying a cape. With more blinding effects than entirety of dark souls 1 and 2.
But Mogh never was the Moghlester, for he was the one being Mohglested and... deathbeded,... fiad... Well i guess he was also mind controlled... Honestly mohg was way less of a creep that i thought. Hell in this light he seems morel ike a good guy who just wanted a place to live and follow his own god.
but didnt st.trina say you freed him when you return to her after this, and she claims to now be free with him?
He was brainwashed and force into this weird plan of Miquella.
See i disagree and think it's fine for one reason: it fills the missing parts of miquella's story. Prior he was a prodigy that was reduced to egg, but now has a plot that rivals even Ranni's ambition.
The others need their stories completed but Miquella having his is not bad and adds tragedy to radahn and mogh
How does the moon presence reflect the pain inflicted on good people?
Is that the Good Hunter?