Josh Pate On Johnny Manziel Documentary BIGGEST Takeaways (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The Johnny Manziel Netflix documentary has been released recapping his career and what's happened since he left College Football. On Late Kick Live Ep 414 Josh Pate shared some of his takeaways including the thought the doc itself exploited Manziel. What were your thoughts? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Johnny Manziel won the Heisman Trophy as a Redshirt Freshman, not a true Freshman.
The lack of accountability combined with Manziel’s personality was a perfect storm. He’s selfish and arrogant. I hope he grows as a person yet I think he is going to have a sad ending.
Did not expect to hear Dead Sea Scrolls and Johnny Manziel within a sentence of each other but this is why I love this show
One of life’s heaviest burdens is great potential. When it’s all said and done, we have two choices: The pain of discipline or the pain of regret.
Amen we'll said 🙏
He and Vince Young. Both wasted potential
That's an interesting way of looking at it.
Thing is I highly doubt he regretted it though. It definitely didn’t seem that way by the end of the documentary.
He’s not regretting it enough yet
The fact the Jonny isn't even 30 yet is wild, considering the life he has already lived. 😮😮
I think he was 29 at the time of the documentary but is 30 now. Still very young.
Pure definition of “F*ck it, we ball”
He is 30 btw
That’s exactly what I was thinking the entire documentary. It’s incredible the amount of money Manziel brought in to TAM. I can’t blame the kid for taking money signing autographs. Excellent documentary
He's opening a bar in College Station. At least we can say he is a businessman now.
Sticking with what he knows, alcohol.
Good for him tbh
cant kick him out for drunk fighting if he owns the bar i guess
I was a businessman. I met a bar owner when I was attending a Texas high school. The drinking age was 18 then and we had fake IDs. The area was seeing a lot of growth so the man had coverted his detached garage along a busy street into a bar. During the afternoon they served a good hamburger and we would sometimes leave HS to eat there. They had a couple of coin-operated pool tables and pinball machines. Beer was sold in a can for 75 cents.
A short time after graduating high school we acquired an Asteroids video game (bought it for $900 from an arcade because Asteroids Deluxe was coming out).
We put it in the "bar." We had a 50-50 agreement. We would get half and the bar owner would get half. The first week our half came to $75. At 25 cents a game, that's 1/2 of 600 games played. Not bad.
Problem was... in the beginning we gave the owner a key to the machine "in case it got jammed" at his suggestion. Our weekly revenue fell week after week... and we knew he was ripping us off as the machine had a coin counter.
We should have been able to quickly pay off our investment... we even added an older baseball game we purchased for $200 that did well until some regulars (alcoholics) unplugged it because the homerun siren annoyed them. But, ultimately, we pulled the machines from there. Since my friend's father bankrolled us, they ended up in his home (the other problem was my friend had begun spending our earnings on his new girlfriend... flowers, wine, etc... so we couldn't pay his father back).
Oh, so many do drink that stuff. I know a few real time and recovering alcoholics. I'll bet you do also.@@michaelshawusa1
I’m somebody who has a history of addiction with myself and friends and yet It’s hard to feel sorry for him he has no one to blame but himself for where he is
Exactly, he's STILL in denial also...
He won the Heisman as a redshirt Freshman
yeah i was confused on that during the show because they kept saying he was only at the UNI for 2 years but the rule is 3 years before declaring for draft
There was a dude in front of him in '11 you might have heard lol 😎... Ryan Tannehill. Went #8 in 2012 draft. Was surprised the documentary didn't mention the pressure of filling those shoes was huge.
@@JAGO_Tech that's because Texas A&M went 7-6 in 2011, not so big of shoes to fill lol
@@skii1410 Dude Tanehill started for the Dolphins the entire next yr & threw something crazy, like nearly 4,000 yards in '11. TAMU also got romped by LSU in '10 season (Jan '11) bowl Cotton Bowl game. Pressure was on from all sides.
He was redshirted his freshman year then won the next year as a ‘freshman’, in reality a sophomore. I’m an Aggie.
People still do not realize how great he was that first year. Dude passed for over 3,500 yards and ran for over 1400 yards and 21 rushing tds In the sec... astounding
Yea, but it was fairly obvious watching he couldn't read a defense and often just scrambled around and heaved to big ass Mike Evans who bailed him out.
@@JM-wf2to well yeah he didn’t give a damn about study of defenses. Not a great QB in that regard, he could’ve won two National Championships if maybe he actually tried to be a QB. He was obviously super cocky and thought his athleticism could win every game, and he wasn’t wrong about that most of the time. He was right up there with Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Tyrann Mathieu, Barry Sanders. One of the all time most exciting players to ever play
@@JM-wf2toBit of an over simplification, Evans didn’t have 3500 yards receiving and nobody could scramble anywhere close to the level Johnny did. Especially in the the SEC. Evans, Swope and company definitely bailed his ass out a few times though lol
@@Greysky2024whoa whoa!! He doesn’t deserve to be in that list with those guys. C’mon man smh. Dude was just ok. The guys you listed put their teams in position to win national championships or major bowl games. Manziel was lightning in a bottle that led his team literally NOWHERE. The only thing he did was bring TXAM up to financial status to compete in the SEC as the mediocre program that they always been
@@hbathletictraining
If A&M had a better defense, they would have won a NC.
A&M had one of the #1 offensive in the nation with JF.
Johnny couldn’t play both sides of the ball.
I loved the honesty of the show. He was unapologetic and honest. He wanted to live the party life win or lose. Johnny, “win or lose, Booze!”
Many people struggle when athletics end. I attached my identity to being an athlete when that ended I had to find out who I was. I hope and pray Manziel finds his way.
I thought there was a redemptive story at the end. He talked about how he returned home after being estranged from his parents and then he was talking with his dad. And he made a comment about trying to find happiness now in different ways than he used to. There was also clips of him returning to A&M recently to cheering fans.
They shouldve made this into a 3 part series one for highschool , one for college, and one for nfl and after with more stories from his teammates and those around from each stage
They did Ryan Swope dirty, the primal scream he belted out in the Alabama game is a memory cemented in my mind.
Swope is a good person IRL too. Concussions only kept him from being a NFL household name. Could've been the next Wes Welker. Was a fun ride to watch him & Mike Evans
The Untold story of Johnny Football was interesting yet somewhat tragic. I came away thinking it’s not over. His book or story is not finished.
Dude is bi-polar. Went from an average dude to the top of college football, nationally known, and partying with Drake and Lebron in the course of 6 months. He burned out and squandered an NFL career. Because of that people retroactively dock his play in college. ESPN released that top 100 players list and to not have him on there, it's all based on what he did off the college football field and ignores what he did on it.
Poor character and decision making doesn't happen to you, it is who you are.
@@wardad5628Yea, that’s how I was raised too, but I was raised incorrectly in this area. I didn’t realize this until I had colleagues and friends that were bi-poor. For those that don’t understand it and haven’t experienced bi-polar up close, like me, it comes across a a poor character from someone who makes bad decisions. The decisions are still bad, but honestly it has nothing to do with character. Its a mental illness that is easily covered up until it explodes. You don’t have to believe me, but people later in your life might convince you. Either way those that have seen it upfront, know that is not a character flaw.
Johnny was actually diagnosed as bipolar and when he found out he wanted to spend all his money and commit suicide, his life was crazy.
Something funny that came to mind is that former Gamecocks great Connor Shaw (a coaches son, basically a choir boy, and who worked so hard at the game even Steve Spurrier never criticized him) first replaced legendary Gamecocks problem child Stephen Garcia (who was kicked off the team). Then Shaw became an undrafted free agent for the Cleveland Browns, and replaced Johnny Manziel (albeit briefly) before Manziel was eventually released. Shaw studied film religiously, did everything right, and was a good runner, but didn't remotely have the arm strength for the NFL. Still when he started for the Browns against the Ravens after three Manziel starts the Cleveland site DawgPoundDaily compared the two QBs: "They threw for almost the same number of yards 177 Shaw, 175 Manziel) on the same passing percentage (50% for each). Shaw was allowed/able to throw for almost as many attempts in one game as Manziel was in parts of 3 games, a little over 2 quarters more." They concluded with pros and cons:
"Connor Shaw looked far more comfortable when pressure was around him.
Johnny Manziel had a far, far (did we say far) stronger arm.
When Shaw rolled out or escaped the pocket he was more productive than Manziel.
Manziel’s talent base is much higher.
Shaw’s ability to manage games was higher."
Everyone likes to talk about the “money Johnny raised”, yet always leaves out the part that A&M launched a major funding campaign for both athletics and academics. Only $275 million of that was for athletics and was for a new stadium build. The rest was raised for major academic capital projects.
Fascinating show, i watched it twice. I could have watched a 10 part show. He was so good for so long, until he started playing with the big boys. Sad he didn't try harder.
Kinda hard when you got James harden, Lebron, A rod and a bunch of others being horrible influences on a 20 year old
AND DRAKE........@@gavinboggs5787
what's wild for me is I wrote an essay why college athletes should be paid (back in 1990!) and today I get to see that reality. Wish I could find that document.
After watching this doc….give Reggie his Heisman back!!!
They gave USC bowl bans and lost 30 scholarships over 3 years. But Johny and his buddy made a story up about how his parents came from oil money. SeC and southern football bias. The NCAA could have researched that in 30 minutes and found out it’s a lie. Look how easy Tennessee got off as well
Love me some Johnny Football, dude made mistakes like everybody else did.
Johnny walked so NIL could run. Love him or hate him he really did help to change the game and for the better.
People want to hate, but he was unbelivevable to watch.
Regardless of what team you root for, Manziel was someone electric to watch on the field !
RTR
I'm a gator fan and I loved johnny football.
One trick pony
Johnny made a lot of excuses, but seemed to also have poor leadership from those around him.
Liucci was a bad influence regardless of what he likely will say now.
"Children cannot raise themselves.". I would be curious to know about Johnny's early years.
just like his dad said, no one at the university held him accountable and when you give your son to a university and football program its on the people there to teach him because the parents can't be there 24/7 at his dorm and classes like they used to.
@@cjpreach they covered that in the documentary, he went to a very miltary style highschool with strict discipline and he was never a problem.
@@skii1410 Kids are often sent to military-type schools because they are discipline problems.
Right on target Josh. I would like to add- I guess it’s a nuance- to the fundraising amounts being reported around the Johnny timeframe. I had to dig into old emails but I found first mention of the Kyle Field redevelopment plans from an attorney friend in August of 2011. A&M was planning a major reno of Kyle prior to Johnny playing a down. The first official communication I have was in Oct of 2012 and fundraising aimed at season ticket holders followed around May of 2013.
Season ticket holders were required!! to make capital contributions in order to maintain their tickets. The 12th Man Foundation was nice enough to let us spread payments over 5 years.
So when you hear that Johnny raised all this money, I believe that’s partly true but a sizable chunk of it was required. He certainly helped the capital “assessment” pill go down easier for sure.
Thanks for all the good work!
Same thoughts as Josh. I was pretty surprised they made a documentary this early on in Johnny's (Lord willing, as Josh put it) life story. I mean, yeah it all started over 10 years ago but it's only been only a couple years since the fallout. In the grand scheme of things, there are still more chapters to be played out. Hopefully the full redemption arc will find its way in someday soon.
Kyle field is also known as ‘the house that Johnny built’
Yes, to date, it isn't a story of redemption, but a cautionary tale (young stars, don't let this happen to you). Maybe it will eventually have some sort of happy ending.
Enabled by many, many people.
Johnny Manziel was a gifted COLLEGE football player. He was an immature kid with tons of money in his pocket. Johnny made his own decisions as to who he'd listen to, what he put into his body, and did with his time. The accumulation of his decisions has put him where he is today. There's your "documentary."
Well said
Yea this couldve been a better doc but i liked it
Josh, he was apologetic to the extent that he said he did not give it his all in 2013. And that he was just a frat boy with his brothers being his team mates. I sensed he knows that is a mistake. He screwed up his relationship with his family.
With Johnny’s documentary out, I want an Urban Meyer one, please put Jim Rome on there
Technically, there was one of him as head coach at Florida.
Johnny won the Heisman hungover! Pure 🐐
He won Heisman in his redshirt Freshman season, not as a true freshman.
BIGGEST TAKE AWAY NCAA AND A&M MAKE BILLIONS OFF OF HIM.
A rich kid, who fizzled out. We wish our athletes cared as much as we do about what they are doing, but that's not reality. Johnny simply had too much fun and it took over. He had money. He had fame. He had nothing to fall back on, internally, when life got hard.
When people get pressed and stressed they fall back on what they know best. Johnny escaped his failures by partying and getting high. He didn’t fall back on studying because he never had... He didn’t fall back on practicing more because he never had to do that... He was limited by his own success. And, he's definitely not the first.
Not watching film works in college but not so much in the pros.
Very True.
He was exciting to watch for sure.
Just a technical economics note- players do not remotely get paid “the value they bring” or add to an institution, schools don’t pay for the increase in overall branding it’s specific advertisement type stuff, Manziel would have made a lot through those but to imply he would have earned even a small fraction of those sums being thrown around just isn’t true, the same way the top players today don’t make anywhere remotely in the same universe as that today even with inflation and growth
He’s telling you what he wants you to hear. Everyone interviewed was in his camp.
"In College" Johnny Football was him 😮😮
Sad to see and hear about Manziel drinking his "career" away. However, the more knowledgeable NFL GM's realized that the style of college football Manziel played was an undiscipline backyard game. He had a slow delivery and couldn't read defenses plus he had a serious alcohol addiction. Even his Brown's teammates quickly realized Johnny was a bust.
Manziel was Ryan Leaf in a bottle of booze.
And some will still try to tell you it was an even exchange. That this relationship was equitable. His scholarship for a few semesters, room & board, etc. was fair for the hundreds of millions he generated for the university. "They get paid. They get a free scholarship and 3 meals a day!" Give me a break!
Johnny is neurodiverse. In the vanity fair piece it talks about him running around bashing his head off walls until blood came out. Thats self harm. Thats very common in neurodiversity bc of the stimuli and overload of stimuli. You can see it in the doc even, when he blows up and is walking to the bus, hes overloaded. Johnny is unique and needs help. He needs to realize that hes not a normal person and adjust from there. I have the same issues. But he isnt ready to remedy them. Hes not bipolar by a mile. hes neurodiverse aka autistic.
In the Dead Sea Scrolls it says, “He would not of been able to do what he did if he had put in the work. “ He would of been trying to process too much information and integrate it into what he was supposed to do, which would of prevented him from flying by the seat of his pants.
Deep
LSU defense was legit back then or had to be as i remember watching him ball out all year then to play us twice and get stuffed and look like a whole different plauer
pretty sure he had 2 picks during the reg season game aganist us
Only team in the SEC West that he didn’t beat..
i agree. it's a good story, but it should have been deeper.. episodes.
Uncle Rico lived in the past of 1982, and Johnny 8 ball lives in the past of 2012.
Give Reggie bush his trophy back
You may notice there are no Johnny football highlights against LSU.... cause there are none!
Congrats you played good against a redshirt freshman. Wow something to be proud of. He destroyed your entire conference but didn’t play that good against LSU. Cool I guess?
In 2009, as an NCAA ⚾️ player, I could not get paid to give a baseball lesson to a 10 yr old or start a RUclips channel discussing baseball.
Forget salary. They controlled all aspects of your life tied to your best asset.
I want the 10 part series
That’s actually wild, I had no idea
The fact that there were and still are people that don’t believe these athletes should have been paid or should be paid today l is literally sickening.
Vince Young didn't watch film either. Matt Leinart didn't watch film either, and he admitted such in doc about USC Texas championship game. Handling money and fame is harder than we think.
It’s amazing how some people can’t understand how many other folks are affected by their actions. How many coaches, administrators, players lost jobs because JM didn’t handle his business. Disappointing is an understatement.
On the flip side, he made the school millions, made coaches careers, Kliff probably doesn't take off without him, changed a ton of people lives as well.
@@msil9451 very true regarding college. I am really referring to the pros. Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf too.
We call that "something else" down here.
Thank you for pointing out the potential. I can’t stand when a waste of talent happens. It’s like that 30 for 30 “the greatest that never was”. Infuriated me.
i was like "bro just watch some film and take your job seriously like its not hard, i could do that" but im also not in his brain i guess
He won the heisman as a RS Freshman
Brilliant review
I was left very disappointed in Sumlin and Kingsbury. Part of their job is to prepare these kids for the next level. The university also did very little to support him during all the manziel mania that went on. Obviously he’s ultimately accountable for all his actions, but I’m still disappointed in TAMU
What was A&M pulling in annually before him? The difference is what he's responsible for.
Johnny came off as a likeable dude.
Go play USFL/XFL!!!
You bit the sharks head off with this share... I agree 100%... to be continued...
Mike Evans made Johnny Manziel. He would scramble and throw the ball up and Evans would more often than not come down with it.
Yeah Johnny just couldn’t read defenses so Mike bailed him out most times. He’s a cfb legend regardless though
ehh Mike was great but Johnny spread the ball all over the field, the dude passed for over 3,500 yards and ran for over 1400 yards with 21 rushing tds. This is a common take thats just not true.
Should have played in Dallas in the pros. Jerry would have road that horse for 6 years.
My takeaway was "give Reggie his Heisman back."
He said he had no expectations to make it pro he was glad he went to college he really didn't look pass that
I am a lifelong Aggie, and I think they should be cutting the man a check until he is retired..
I'm an Aggie and Johnny Manziel back then was irresponsible too flashy mega star that got too big for his britches leaving to early from college after two seasons instead of humbling himself and staying at A&M for at least another season in my opinion !
They should rename the stadium after manziel or at least do something in his honor after all he’s done for them
8-Ball Field ftw
You don’t understand. Can’t change the name of Kyle Field.
Instead, build an athletic facility and name it after him, then out a statue of him out front of Kyle Field.
If only he would have gone to the Cowboys but Jerry Jones son didn't want him drafted because he said he partied too much vand wouldn't be that good , Ok lett me give 2 examples of the same ! KEN STABLER who said he studied his playbook by the light of the jukebox and Joe Namath
The only thing I would disagree with you on in this entire opinion: He won the Heisman as a redshirt freshman, not a true freshman. Otherwise, you seem to be reading my aggie mind.
I wish I had a friend like nate
I truly believe he just needed to be closer to home where he can get away on his days off wouldve done him some good but dallas didnt want him
Billy Liucci does not come off this nearly as cool as he thinks. Partying with a college kid when you’re almost 40. Absolutely exploiting him like the rest.
Oregon had Manzel and Mariota were as their 2 qb recruits till manzel decommitted
All that A&M money from the Manzel Mania, hiring Jimbo, renovation of the facility. They aren't any better as a program now than they were then. In fact, I'd say they are LESS relevant as it purtains to a winning or even interesting program. Prove me wrong
The fact that he wont own up to his own self destruction, and continues to look for excuses to justify why he decided to go full speed and crash is kind of silly. He wanted the fame and was enjoying it at first and then it became a problem? Nah, the problem was he wasn’t able to get away with his recklessness in the NFL. How the Browns also kept disciplining him after his antics and he didn’t like it. As soon as he made it to the NFL he thought it was time for him to live up to his college days, go drinking and doing hard drugs thinking they were going to let him get away with it because he’s “Johnny Football”.
Such a shame...so much wasted talent. And he was in denial for a LONG time, hopefully he gets it now.
if you think college is amateur, why should amateur coaches be paid that high of salary but not the players.
Johnny Football always changed Texas A&M, I think he made it seemed better than Texas imo
Question.
We’re all those donations related to Manziel. Or because they were building a new stadium. ?
You said no spoilers!!! 😂
it is illogical to say this is exploiting. Identifying problems is the first step to solving them. This allows others to see how these pattern occur and to try and prevent them from occuring in their own lives. The people saying "tHeY eXplOitEd hIm" are just too lazy to discern the morals and lessons from the story. More than likely, they are the type to need everything spelled out for them because critical thinking is too much effort for them.
Mark Emmert couldn’t catch him selling autographs for all that money because he had the entire NCAA in Oxford MS. They had to catch some booster who didn’t charge a player enough interest for a used car loan and another had a hamburger cookout for a recruit.
Makes me think: how much Mike Vicks worth was to VTech 🤔
Mack Brown you could have saved that guy
The Excuses they make for this Kid is Incredible.
Biggest Wasted Talent Ever.
Josh Pate irons his t-shirts
Some people just can't handle success and fame.
So shocked to hear that a sec player was getting money under the table illegally 😂😂
Right, it’s not like every superstar player in every conference didn’t do that 🤣🤣
@TheMCJ2011 hey, nowadays we (Georgia) give out young blonde girls. Never would've happened under Mark Richt. But at least we got our rings right?
@@gaiterat6187 “we”??? Lmao nice try. Yeah it’s not like we can’t read your username, Florida fan 🤣🤣🤣
So never watched film was great and pissed it all away and beat girls? Great job, Johney when anyone of us would of loved to be in your shoes.
Sadly it abruptly stopped ignoring his comeback attempt and the CFL. B-
They show him shotgunning beers and smoking bongs and shit with frat boy buddies as soon as it starts. Dudes still got major issues and they gave zero solutions on how or what he's doing to deal with it.
I felt like I was watch Megan Markel complain about being a princess!