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St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
Thanks for the update, BB. Here's hoping D.J. Kitty can secure himself a forever home. He's a cool cat, but he's also domesticated--deserves a reliable roof over his catbox.
Brazil will be disappointed to know the Pinellas County Commission voted overwhelmingly by a 5-2 margin to approve funding for its portion of the Rays new stadium deal. That puts the onus on current ownership to fulfill their commitment to the project. Left to be resolved is who and how the cost overrun will be paid. Don't be surprised if Sternberg sells the team to owners who will keep the Rays in St. Petersburg. Fans should be excited about the future of the franchise.
What fan base ? Nobody showed up even when they were winning and a playoff team . There shouldn’t be any public finding for any sports team unless the people who’s taxes are paying for it get a return on their money or a partial ownership like they do in Green Bay with the Packers .
A midweek, noon, playoff game? I don't know about you, but there's no way my boss is letting me off work on some random weekday to see a playoff game that could just as easily been scheduled in the evening, but wasn't because *TV money*
@ That’s not an excuse ..There are MLB playoff games during the day and sell out actually most of them . The Rays don’t draw , the Marlins don’t draw just shows Florida is not a good spot for MLB other than a place for spring training . A new stadium isn’t going to change anything just like it did nothing for the Marlins ..The Rays would do better in Montreal or Nashville if the owner didn’t ask for public funds .
@@BoulderCityBlues"if the owner didn't ask for public funds" LOL yeah right. The owner would strangle his mother before paying for the whole thing privately.
@@BoulderCityBlues Dude it's not ever going to happen especially with the Rays in particular, the owner will never pay for his own stadium that's why the rays are not leaving St.Pete because we have a tourist tax that helps cover the development and is the reason he's not going anywhere else with the team. Do you really think he would move the team to Montreal (lol) or Nashville on his own dime? Why would he do that when he can stay in St.Pete and get half of a new stadium covered under the tourist tax The Rays have literally no incentive whatsoever to move the team anywhere and all the incentive to stay, that why the city is used their leverage they know he's a cheapskate
I'm cautiously optimistic. I think Manfred's trip down last week could make the difference. Desantis is a baseball guy, and I don't think it's unreasonable to think backroom politicking is going on between him and GOP commissioners.
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If Hurricane Milton didn't happen, I don't think people would realize how bad the Rays are in making clear decisions and rely on others to do the work for them. Since this mess happened, I always had a feeling the Rays are trying to get out of the new ballpark deal but won't specially say they are and want St. Petersburg to take the fall in order to be seen as the good guy and tell their fans "Well we tried but St. Petersburg said no".
@ are you unaware of the Orlando group seeking to land an MLB team? They’ve identified a location along with a funding plan. The TDT tax would pay for more than half of the $1.7 billion stadium
@BlackSaiyan24 does Orlando really need a baseball team? They're better off support the Orlando Magic and hopefully bring back a UFL team. Also, there's other things to do in Orlando than to go a boring baseball game such as Disney World, SeaWorld, Universal, Aquatic, even FunSpot.
@@kingmo8789 Orlando doesn’t NEED a team but it is under represented with major sports teams. It is larger and growing faster than metros like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Kansas City, all of which have 2 or more major sports teams. It is true that there is zero shortcomings of things to do in the central Florida region, but it can support more things like an MLB team. Honestly, it should also have its own NFL team.
@@kingmo8789 imagine folks from NY or Boston adding a Red Sox or Yankee vacation trip to an itinerary centered around Disney and universal? Hit up both of those parks for 2 days, the beach, and 2 Yankee-Orlando Rays games in a 4 day weekend? Perfect family trip. Even squeeze in a day at the beach and the Kennedy Space Center
As a Rays fan, I'd love for this deal to be terminated... for Stu to sell the deal, and for new owners to build in Tampa... where they should've been all along Edit: The vote has now passed 5-2. Chris Latvala, one of the county commissioners, spoke about his conversation with Rob Manfred last week, and how much Manfred wants the Rays to stay in Tampa. He also said, "I urge Mr. Sternberg to sell to someone who lives here." He wouldn't have said that if Rob Manfred hadn't made it clear to him his seriousness in staying in Tampa Bay, as well as potential buyer(s) already in place and waiting. He also said that even if the Rays back out of the deal, they'll stay in Tampa bay. (Again, he wouldn't have said that if Rob Manfred hadn't made that clear to him.)
@@jacobwetsman7989 hillsborough won’t have the money. They need massive renovations for the Bucs stadium. There is no way taxpayers can fund both that AND a new baseball stadium. I have dozens of friends in Tampa; they are stressed enough with hurricane issues as it is.
Have you seen the NIL and transfer portal affects on Marshall University? They had to opt out of their bowl game against Army due to losing so many players. Would be interested in your take on it if it's something you look into.
Ok it's way simpler than you think. All the new, outlandishly priced, stadium proposals include condominiums, commercial space, apartments, etc. That way they can use tax dollars to build these extra facilities, and reap huge profits for themselves. It's just another money grab. Tom Brokaw used to call this "the fleecing of America."
Exactly. I too have been noticing that any new sporting venues arre now all having these ( extras ) I included. I thought they looked nice but never connected the dots that they also want taxpayers to pay for their real-estate projects too. Very slick.
Rays deserve to move. They don’t support their team. They are constantly in the bottom-3 of attendance and even during playoff games they average under 20k fans. That’s not worthy of having a pro sports team.
What happened with Hillsborough County is that the County wanted the Rays to pay more than what St Pete was asking, but the money is there and they are waiting to see what happens. If anybody asks about where they are going to get the money from, Hillsborough voters just renewed the same tax that built Raymond James Stadium in November. Also, that harbor you mentioned, is a run down shipyard, but it could be cleaned up and fixed for future use.
If an environmental study on the shipyard is required, it could be a while before anything happens. Past experience with such industrial sites are that the cleanup could be very involved and expensive. Anyone investing in such a site is going to want assurances they aren't on the hook for unforeseen financial consequences -- assuming they can get outside financing for such a potentially problematic site.
I predict that all of the public funding for the new stadium will fall through and that the Rays will be shocked by the lack of generous offers from other cities.
I worked on infrastructure projects for both the Trop and Ybor City sites. The ballpark concept was basically the same in both. Makes sense because they didn't know which site would be approved. So, the ballpark doesn't need much tweaking. The "Stadium District" concepts would vary based upon the available land parcels and overall scope of the other uses - hotels, restaurants, offices, residences, etc.
I seem to recall Ybor City being in play several years ago but the deal got shot down then. I'd be surprised if they landed there. But you never can tell.
@@plangineer1375 Okay. Truth be told I don't have a dog in the hunt so I'll take your word on it. I do know the current location sucks and building a new stadium there always struck me as a bad idea.
Tampa is the 17 th largest market in the country. MLB isn’t leaving. Let them pay for the stadium. If the people want to pay for a new stadium just use all the money you made off the last stadium over the last 30 years
I also think there's another special thing about keeping the Rays in Tampa Bay area. I think the MLB awarded Tampa Bay an expansion team mostly because George Steinbrenner, who lived in Tampa, had done so much for baseball they gave him an expansion team per his wishes. If this is true it would take A LOT for the MLB to allow a move out of the Tampa area.
Per JP Peterson on X today: “Even if this passes there is NO DEAL! The Rays have said multiple times they will not pay for the cost overruns that they agreed to pay for. The county asked for the Rays to show up and prove they have spent the money they say they have spent and to PUBLICLY PROVE they are still in. I doubt they will but let’s see!” This will demonstrate I think though that Tampa Bay as a whole is committed to keeping the team and this will illustrate beyond the shadow of any doubt that the area wants the team and will keep it in some form. Rob Manfred will not and cannot take the team away when it’s the ownership itself who is unfit to keep the club and abide by its agreements. This is all on Stu (Sternberg). Translation it dies on the County level today
The Hillsborough deal fell through when the Rays proposed the 2nd most expensive baseball stadium at the time. There was little appetite to publicly fund it.
I agree in principle with those who say it's unreasonable for billionaires to request public funding for a new sports facility. But if the choice is between public funding and losing the team entirely, then I would generally prefer the latter. If the Rays have to move to another market, then so be it, but they should exhaust all their options in the Tampa region first. If we want to stop team owners from pulling these sorts of tricks in the future, then states should pass laws saying that any pro team that gets public funding is legally classified as a public-private partnership.
as a Phillies and MLB fan i just want the Teams to all get home where no problems are so MLB can finally expand the way MLB is going i say now not to 2040 or later
Thank you for filling in the gap of why Sternberg abandoned the seemingly perfect location in Ybor City--the chance to develop peime waterfront land and rake in the profits. Just like what Lucy Van Pelt asked for Christmas: "Real estate."
Also should further clarify, I listened to the county’s last meeting and the chair commissioner has said none of the money is coming from local tax payers it’s coming from tourist bed taxes. The news tendency to pick just latvalas statement shows how the news is trying to paint this in a negative light. The chair commissioner Kathleen peters and latvala went into a back and forth about disagreeing about the deal and it just wasn’t professional from latvalas side. All county commissioners agree that they should get a statement on getting a list of obligations that the rays need to meet. Latvala was also strung up on the team getting real estate in a city that he as a county commissioner has no control over. A lot of petty stuff going on. If the livestream is still uploaded to RUclips I’ll send it into here
County needs to vote NO. It’s a disaster for the taxpayers. A stadium seating least than 32,000?????? Infrastructure is not equipped to handle the extra traffic and cost.
Do your research. The county dollars is from bed taxes and can only be used for tourism… they cannot and should not be used for residents affected from the storms.
@@jeremybingham7505 what an awful sentiment. You’re saying that the tourist tax shouldn’t be used on struggling residents and taxpayers? That’s a disgusting statement. I have family and friends who have been greatly affected by the storms. Shame on you.
@ that’s what FEMA is for… you can’t take money that is for one thing and use it for another. That’s commingling which is illegal. We all have family, friends etc who were affected by the storm… that’s what’s homeowners and renters insurance is for… I also do not want my tax paying dollars used to fix someone private home… sorry for them but that’s not my problem
@jeremybingham7505 It's amazing how y'all are trained to lick boots. I assume you're in Florida and if so, you have this amazing opportunity to collect a huge amount of taxes related to tourism, and use them to benefit your residents. And instead, you choose to force these taxes into the hands of people who have the money to build their own damn stadium.
Counties and taxpayers need to stop supporting multi-billion dollar franchises. Why do they deserve millions or billions of tax dollars? The city does not get that much of an economic boost. $1-2M in "rent" for 20-30 years isn't enough to cover the millions and sometimes billions that get shelled out. Time to stop funding billionaires.
Personally I am of the opinion that the rays should leave Tampa have a fresh start the state of florida is not the best choice for a new stadium ( it has not been a good market for baseball mainly because of attendance ),even if the county approves in the future they would get a booom for a new stadium that would fade very fast as happened with their current stadium I personally would prefer a rebranding go to Oregon and become Portland Navigators and test a new market they could explode when a future expansion comes with its respective realignment geography.
I think 90%+ of Rays fans would prefer the team move to Tampa but will settle for the team staying in St. Pete. better than the alternative of Orlando, Nashville, Charlotte, Montreal, Utah, Portland, etc.
If this fails and the Rays skip town, all the good feeling that has existed under Stu Sternberg's ownership goes away. The 2008 season/post-season, the amazing 2011 last night of the season, all the playoff wins, and getting to the 2020 WS, two wins away from a world championship. All of it. Relocation becomes the legacy. Don't let it happen.
they will vote yes 100 percent. if they cancel the deal the rays get the 65 acres. if rays cancel the deal the county gets the land. another terrible deal by the county and city. they should have had the voters decide if they wanted to give corporate welfare to billionaires. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
What's the definition of canceling the deal? Is it considered canceled if the vote is no tomorrow? Or does a no vote mean that the Rays can still build the ballpark on their own dime and retain the 65 acres but if they don't, they forfeit the land?
as a non-Florida based Rays fan, I'm perfectly fine with them relocating elsewhere outside of Florida as long as they continue to be a team and not contracted which i feel might be coming up in the next few years if the A's and Rays can't figure out their stadium situations.
Similar to KC and the Royals. Sherman has a gem of a park and yet doesn't want to fix the concrete problems. He just wants to make Downtown KC traffic worse with a ballpark and Village like St.Louis. KC is always envious of St.Louis and especially the Cardinals and what they have and put on the field.
I seriously doubt the Rays will leave St. Pete there's literally nowhere else to go anyway. Nashville is more concerned about the Titans. Montreal has repurposed their Olympic stadium. SLC is too high altitude. Tampa can only afford the Bucs. There's no place else to go! St. Pete wins!
"SLC is too high altitude"? Really? They also have a high amount of public money on the table - $900 million. The Rays owner would climb Mount Everest to get his grubby hands on all that sweet taxpayer cash.
@@kjhuang nothing the owner can do, he's stuck in Tampa Bay because the MLB awarded the city a team as a thank you to Steinbrenner for doing so much for baseball.
@@SladeBling He's stuck in Tampa Bay because he's addicted to public money (like all the other MLB owners) and St. Pete is one of the few places left where he can get his fix.
Every other major market that could probably support this team better should be furious that Manfred worked to keep this team in Tampa when the city hasn't supported the team for 25 years. If the Rays are short on money to fund their end of the deal it's because their lousy attendance has cost them millions year after year.
There were devoted die hard fans of the Arizona Coyotes hockey team, too. But not enough of them to fill a standard hockey arena of say 15,000. Those fans wanted all sorts of tax payer funded this and that and the organization is just a mess. Sports orgs make gobs of money now, they don't need publicly financed stadiums. Just say No. Yes the Rays will leave... so what?
Your facts are not right. The Ybor deal fell flat in 2018. Also, the Rays did make a definite commitment to St. Petersburg originally with the “Here To Stay” press conference last year, having worked for a year on the Gas Plant site and affirmative votes by both the City and County to support the project. If this falls apart, it’s all on the narrow tunnel vision of Pinellas County.
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
Brodie covered this in earlier episodes. It was covered up to $25 million, but the initial repair estimate is well over $50 million. Plus, the City of St Pete wants to redevelop this section of their downtown area, and the existing Tropicana Field is too large (and ill-designed) for baseball. It was originally designed as a multi-purpose (football/soccer/baseball) stadium which no team wants to play in anymore.
How many times are you going to cover this topic? You've already stated that if the county doesn't approve the project then the Rays will keep the real prize within the deal, i.e., the ownership to the land in downtown, so you know good and damn well that the county isn't giving away the revenue from owning a multimillion/billion dollar piece of land. You can only beat a dead horse so much.
He’s hoping it fail so it gives Oakland a chance to get the team or think they’ll have someone to trauma bond with… and to think we felt sad and supported them when they lost their team. Go John Fisher and 🖕🏾 Oakland!
Living in Vegas, I don't think we are going to get the A's... The Tropicana in itself is quite small, with little or no parking... Im also not convinced that John Fisher has enough money for it..
SALUTE Look I am a Giants fan tho as I am reading the comments and I am noticing that it is CLEAR that Tampa Bay Rays fans are the smartest and most passionate of ALL the small market teams. Maybe even including Japan !!! And now thanks to y'all I am even considering getting MLB Extra Innings so I can be part of it !!!! #tampabaygiants
Rays ownership is stupid. Tampa/St Pete leaders are stupid. The Rays need to relocate. Orlando is the answer! The Orlando Rays OR The Orlando Dreamers!
@@GDavis49 not a chance MLB leaves the 10 million people and growing megapolis in central Florida. Nashville and Charlotte are out. Portland is a no. SLC is eager but they are out west and should focus on expansion or the Athletics. Raleigh is not a better choice for the Rays than Orlando for a number of reasons.
@@GDavis49 honestly, that is a good point. I don’t know why Miami doesn’t support the Marlins. In Florida, there are far too many entertainment options than to pay attention to baseball. But still. A state of 23 million people and rapid growth should get plenty of chances to prove its support. This isn’t Nebraska.
A.L. WEST - Portland Rays - West Sacramento Athletics - Seattle Mariners - Texas Rangers - Los Angeles Angels A.L. CENTRAL - Kansas City Royals - Cleveland Kozars - Houston Astros - Minnesota Twins - Chicago White Sox A.L. EAST - Detroit Tigers - New York Yankees - Boston Red Sox - Baltimore Orioles - Toronto Blue Eh?
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
The best option has always been on the Tampa side in Ybor City. my understanding is that mayor Jane Castor doesn't want to spend city money on this stadium. Rays need to just kill the deal, forget St Pete and concentrate in Tampa.+
2 WS Titles (Miami Marlins), World Baseball Classic Venue, U of Florida 1 NCAA title and FSU 2nd Highest Win % All time in NCAA history, and half the MLB plays spring training games in (wait for it) Florida...not to mention the largest tournaments for youth baseball in Orlando/Disney Wide World of Sports complex...but, yah you're right it's like the 4th most popular sport
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
@@jonniez62 absolutely not. A tiny town. Focus on the college World Series. Not ready anytime soon for a big league sport. Imagine putting any kind of team in Nebraska, the consensus most boring state in the US.
@@jonniez62 Nashville mayor publicly said Nashville isn’t MLB ready any time soon. They are going to ask taxpayers to fund the Titans new stadium, 2 billion. They also spent lots of taxpayer dollars on their MLS stadium. They have no more public money to spend on stadiums. And MLB would never approve a temporary 2 year move to Omaha. The Rays will stay in Tampa Bay at Steinbrenner for the foreseeable future or one of the minor league ballparks. They’ll even consider playing a season at Disney’s Wide World of Sports. Omaha is completely out of the question.
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5-2 Yes!
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St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
It just passed the Pinellas County Commission 5-2
Thanks for the update, BB.
Here's hoping D.J. Kitty can secure himself a forever home.
He's a cool cat, but he's also domesticated--deserves a reliable roof over his catbox.
He will have one!
Brazil will be disappointed to know the Pinellas County Commission voted overwhelmingly by a 5-2 margin to approve funding for its portion of the Rays new stadium deal. That puts the onus on current ownership to fulfill their commitment to the project. Left to be resolved is who and how the cost overrun will be paid. Don't be surprised if Sternberg sells the team to owners who will keep the Rays in St. Petersburg. Fans should be excited about the future of the franchise.
What fan base ? Nobody showed up even when they were winning and a playoff team . There shouldn’t be any public finding for any sports team unless the people who’s taxes are paying for it get a return on their money or a partial ownership like they do in Green Bay with the Packers .
A midweek, noon, playoff game? I don't know about you, but there's no way my boss is letting me off work on some random weekday to see a playoff game that could just as easily been scheduled in the evening, but wasn't because *TV money*
@ That’s not an excuse ..There are MLB playoff games during the day and sell out actually most of them . The Rays don’t draw , the Marlins don’t draw just shows Florida is not a good spot for MLB other than a place for spring training . A new stadium isn’t going to change anything just like it did nothing for the Marlins ..The Rays would do better in Montreal or Nashville if the owner didn’t ask for public funds .
@@BoulderCityBlues"if the owner didn't ask for public funds" LOL yeah right. The owner would strangle his mother before paying for the whole thing privately.
@@BoulderCityBlues Dude it's not ever going to happen especially with the Rays in particular, the owner will never pay for his own stadium that's why the rays are not leaving St.Pete because we have a tourist tax that helps cover the development and is the reason he's not going anywhere else with the team. Do you really think he would move the team to Montreal (lol) or Nashville on his own dime? Why would he do that when he can stay in St.Pete and get half of a new stadium covered under the tourist tax The Rays have literally no incentive whatsoever to move the team anywhere and all the incentive to stay, that why the city is used their leverage they know he's a cheapskate
I'm cautiously optimistic.
I think Manfred's trip down last week could make the difference. Desantis is a baseball guy, and I don't think it's unreasonable to think backroom politicking is going on between him and GOP commissioners.
If the Rays and/or MLB came up with the 312 million for bonds, there would be no problem.
I think Manfred's trip to Tallahassee was to see if any State money was available to fill a potential gap. The State has a healthy budget surplus.
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I live in Delaware, moved from NJ (NYC before then) Jets/Mets/Devils/Knicks fan….and I still love watching your RUclips show, great “broadcast”. Best of luck k in your next steps.
If Hurricane Milton didn't happen, I don't think people would realize how bad the Rays are in making clear decisions and rely on others to do the work for them. Since this mess happened, I always had a feeling the Rays are trying to get out of the new ballpark deal but won't specially say they are and want St. Petersburg to take the fall in order to be seen as the good guy and tell their fans "Well we tried but St. Petersburg said no".
The Rays, like the A's with Oakland, only want to stay in Tampa Bay if they get a super sweetheart deal and don't have to assume any risk.
No more public money for sports arenas.
Orlando is the Rays destiny.
Where would they play? The Disney Wide World of Sports baseball stadium doesn't meet regular season MLB requirements -- just like Steinbrenner Field.
@ are you unaware of the Orlando group seeking to land an MLB team? They’ve identified a location along with a funding plan. The TDT tax would pay for more than half of the $1.7 billion stadium
@BlackSaiyan24 does Orlando really need a baseball team? They're better off support the Orlando Magic and hopefully bring back a UFL team. Also, there's other things to do in Orlando than to go a boring baseball game such as Disney World, SeaWorld, Universal, Aquatic, even FunSpot.
@@kingmo8789 Orlando doesn’t NEED a team but it is under represented with major sports teams. It is larger and growing faster than metros like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Kansas City, all of which have 2 or more major sports teams.
It is true that there is zero shortcomings of things to do in the central Florida region, but it can support more things like an MLB team. Honestly, it should also have its own NFL team.
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Yes, they're "Here To Stay" in Tampa Bay
Please Vote NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Baseball will remain in St Petersburg for the next 30 years, bonds pass 5-2
Hahahahaha
5-2, vote just passed
As a Rays fan, I'd love for this deal to be terminated... for Stu to sell the deal, and for new owners to build in Tampa... where they should've been all along
Edit: The vote has now passed 5-2. Chris Latvala, one of the county commissioners, spoke about his conversation with Rob Manfred last week, and how much Manfred wants the Rays to stay in Tampa. He also said, "I urge Mr. Sternberg to sell to someone who lives here." He wouldn't have said that if Rob Manfred hadn't made it clear to him his seriousness in staying in Tampa Bay, as well as potential buyer(s) already in place and waiting.
He also said that even if the Rays back out of the deal, they'll stay in Tampa bay. (Again, he wouldn't have said that if Rob Manfred hadn't made that clear to him.)
I second this motion (too bad we aren't a panel of corrupt politicians, otherwise our voice would matter).
TBF, they should have been in Orlando all along. We had the better expansion bid compared to St. Pete.
@@jacobwetsman7989 hillsborough won’t have the money. They need massive renovations for the Bucs stadium. There is no way taxpayers can fund both that AND a new baseball stadium. I have dozens of friends in Tampa; they are stressed enough with hurricane issues as it is.
If Tampa were serious in their bids they'd already have the Ray's.
If this falls through it'll be lucky if the team stays in Florida.
you honestly think that would happen? if stu sells (which he won't), the team is relocating, if this vote fails, the team is relocating
Have you seen the NIL and transfer portal affects on Marshall University? They had to opt out of their bowl game against Army due to losing so many players. Would be interested in your take on it if it's something you look into.
Ok it's way simpler than you think. All the new, outlandishly priced, stadium proposals include condominiums, commercial space, apartments, etc. That way they can use tax dollars to build these extra facilities, and reap huge profits for themselves. It's just another money grab. Tom Brokaw used to call this "the fleecing of America."
Exactly. I too have been noticing that any new sporting venues arre now all having these ( extras ) I included. I thought they looked nice but never connected the dots that they also want taxpayers to pay for their real-estate projects too. Very slick.
@@Tampa0123456789 It's what the tourist taxes are for and as a resident I fine with it. The tourists are paying for it not us.
Rays deserve to move. They don’t support their team. They are constantly in the bottom-3 of attendance and even during playoff games they average under 20k fans. That’s not worthy of having a pro sports team.
They will be moving in 2028 or 2029! To the stadium that is going to get built across from the Trop
Lol it's called small market for a reason get over it. If you don't live here you opinion doesn't mean squat Rays fans don't care what you have to say
What happened with Hillsborough County is that the County wanted the Rays to pay more than what St Pete was asking, but the money is there and they are waiting to see what happens. If anybody asks about where they are going to get the money from, Hillsborough voters just renewed the same tax that built Raymond James Stadium in November. Also, that harbor you mentioned, is a run down shipyard, but it could be cleaned up and fixed for future use.
If an environmental study on the shipyard is required, it could be a while before anything happens. Past experience with such industrial sites are that the cleanup could be very involved and expensive. Anyone investing in such a site is going to want assurances they aren't on the hook for unforeseen financial consequences -- assuming they can get outside financing for such a potentially problematic site.
I predict that all of the public funding for the new stadium will fall through and that the Rays will be shocked by the lack of generous offers from other cities.
This didn’t age well
I worked on infrastructure projects for both the Trop and Ybor City sites. The ballpark concept was basically the same in both. Makes sense because they didn't know which site would be approved. So, the ballpark doesn't need much tweaking. The "Stadium District" concepts would vary based upon the available land parcels and overall scope of the other uses - hotels, restaurants, offices, residences, etc.
good to know, thank you
@@brodiebrazil NP. Love the channel. Keep up the good work!
The people have too many other things to worry about than a baseball team! Too much hurricane damage!
Agree in the short term. But this (how it ultimately shakes out) is also a pretty big deal in either gain/loss for the long term of the region.
Let’s let the insurance companies worry about the hurricane damage.
@@brodiebrazilYbor is pronounced “Eeeee-bore”, love the channel my friend
@@robertrohde4579 agreed. I have several friends in that region and they need to get their homes and business in order before any damn game.
I seem to recall Ybor City being in play several years ago but the deal got shot down then. I'd be surprised if they landed there. But you never can tell.
It wasn't "shot down." It was a "Plan B" in case St Pete said "No." St. Pete blinked and started negotiations for a new stadium.
@@plangineer1375 Okay. Truth be told I don't have a dog in the hunt so I'll take your word on it. I do know the current location sucks and building a new stadium there always struck me as a bad idea.
Yes or no just get it done with please
Tampa is the 17 th largest market in the country. MLB isn’t leaving. Let them pay for the stadium. If the people want to pay for a new stadium just use all the money you made off the last stadium over the last 30 years
I also think there's another special thing about keeping the Rays in Tampa Bay area.
I think the MLB awarded Tampa Bay an expansion team mostly because George Steinbrenner, who lived in Tampa, had done so much for baseball they gave him an expansion team per his wishes.
If this is true it would take A LOT for the MLB to allow a move out of the Tampa area.
Per JP Peterson on X today: “Even if this passes there is NO DEAL! The Rays have said multiple times they will not pay for the cost overruns that they agreed to pay for. The county asked for the Rays to show up and prove they have spent the money they say they have spent and to PUBLICLY PROVE they are still in. I doubt they will but let’s see!”
This will demonstrate I think though that Tampa Bay as a whole is committed to keeping the team and this will illustrate beyond the shadow of any doubt that the area wants the team and will keep it in some form. Rob Manfred will not and cannot take the team away when it’s the ownership itself who is unfit to keep the club and abide by its agreements. This is all on Stu (Sternberg).
Translation it dies on the County level today
The Hillsborough deal fell through when the Rays proposed the 2nd most expensive baseball stadium at the time. There was little appetite to publicly fund it.
I agree in principle with those who say it's unreasonable for billionaires to request public funding for a new sports facility. But if the choice is between public funding and losing the team entirely, then I would generally prefer the latter. If the Rays have to move to another market, then so be it, but they should exhaust all their options in the Tampa region first.
If we want to stop team owners from pulling these sorts of tricks in the future, then states should pass laws saying that any pro team that gets public funding is legally classified as a public-private partnership.
as a Phillies and MLB fan i just want the Teams to all get home where no problems are so MLB can finally expand the way MLB is going i say now not to 2040 or later
Thank you for filling in the gap of why Sternberg abandoned the seemingly perfect location in Ybor City--the chance to develop peime waterfront land and rake in the profits.
Just like what Lucy Van Pelt asked for Christmas: "Real estate."
I’ll be listening to the county livestream, hope they vote yes. Need this for my future kids
Also should further clarify, I listened to the county’s last meeting and the chair commissioner has said none of the money is coming from local tax payers it’s coming from tourist bed taxes. The news tendency to pick just latvalas statement shows how the news is trying to paint this in a negative light. The chair commissioner Kathleen peters and latvala went into a back and forth about disagreeing about the deal and it just wasn’t professional from latvalas side. All county commissioners agree that they should get a statement on getting a list of obligations that the rays need to meet. Latvala was also strung up on the team getting real estate in a city that he as a county commissioner has no control over. A lot of petty stuff going on. If the livestream is still uploaded to RUclips I’ll send it into here
ruclips.net/user/liveMdC98bYENC8?si=c5CZ0brruBqqGy7q 52:50 is when the discussion starts
FYI, Ybor is pronounced E-Boar (or E-Bore), not E-Burr
And not Y - Boar.
County needs to vote NO. It’s a disaster for the taxpayers. A stadium seating least than 32,000?????? Infrastructure is not equipped to handle the extra traffic and cost.
Do your research. The county dollars is from bed taxes and can only be used for tourism… they cannot and should not be used for residents affected from the storms.
@@jeremybingham7505 what an awful sentiment. You’re saying that the tourist tax shouldn’t be used on struggling residents and taxpayers? That’s a disgusting statement. I have family and friends who have been greatly affected by the storms. Shame on you.
@@jeremybingham7505there's gonna be no tourism when there's no infrastructure
@ that’s what FEMA is for… you can’t take money that is for one thing and use it for another. That’s commingling which is illegal. We all have family, friends etc who were affected by the storm… that’s what’s homeowners and renters insurance is for… I also do not want my tax paying dollars used to fix someone private home… sorry for them but that’s not my problem
@jeremybingham7505 It's amazing how y'all are trained to lick boots.
I assume you're in Florida and if so, you have this amazing opportunity to collect a huge amount of taxes related to tourism, and use them to benefit your residents. And instead, you choose to force these taxes into the hands of people who have the money to build their own damn stadium.
Counties and taxpayers need to stop supporting multi-billion dollar franchises. Why do they deserve millions or billions of tax dollars? The city does not get that much of an economic boost. $1-2M in "rent" for 20-30 years isn't enough to cover the millions and sometimes billions that get shelled out. Time to stop funding billionaires.
I'd much rather go to a Tampa Bay Rowdies USL Soccer game than a Rays baseball game any day,
Personally I am of the opinion that the rays should leave Tampa have a fresh start the state of florida is not the best choice for a new stadium ( it has not been a good market for baseball mainly because of attendance ),even if the county approves in the future they would get a booom for a new stadium that would fade very fast as happened with their current stadium I personally would prefer a rebranding go to Oregon and become Portland Navigators and test a new market they could explode when a future expansion comes with its respective realignment geography.
It’s happening. MMW. #RAYSUP
Let’s hope it’s over.
Hopefully No . Just move the team to Orlando .
I think 90%+ of Rays fans would prefer the team move to Tampa
but will settle for the team staying in St. Pete. better than the alternative of Orlando, Nashville, Charlotte, Montreal, Utah, Portland, etc.
How does the 60 acres of land fit into this now?
The Orlando Rays!!!!
If this fails and the Rays skip town, all the good feeling that has existed under Stu Sternberg's ownership goes away. The 2008 season/post-season, the amazing 2011 last night of the season, all the playoff wins, and getting to the 2020 WS, two wins away from a world championship. All of it. Relocation becomes the legacy. Don't let it happen.
they will vote yes 100 percent. if they cancel the deal the rays get the 65 acres. if rays cancel the deal the county gets the land. another terrible deal by the county and city. they should have had the voters decide if they wanted to give corporate welfare to billionaires. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
What's the definition of canceling the deal? Is it considered canceled if the vote is no tomorrow? Or does a no vote mean that the Rays can still build the ballpark on their own dime and retain the 65 acres but if they don't, they forfeit the land?
as a non-Florida based Rays fan, I'm perfectly fine with them relocating elsewhere outside of Florida as long as they continue to be a team and not contracted which i feel might be coming up in the next few years if the A's and Rays can't figure out their stadium situations.
These teams are valued in the billions, zero chance they’ll be contracted.
Similar to KC and the Royals. Sherman has a gem of a park and yet doesn't want to fix the concrete problems. He just wants to make Downtown KC traffic worse with a ballpark and Village like St.Louis. KC is always envious of St.Louis and especially the Cardinals and what they have and put on the field.
praying they vote no tomorrow 🙏
I seriously doubt the Rays will leave St. Pete there's literally nowhere else to go anyway. Nashville is more concerned about the Titans. Montreal has repurposed their Olympic stadium. SLC is too high altitude. Tampa can only afford the Bucs. There's no place else to go!
St. Pete wins!
"SLC is too high altitude"? Really? They also have a high amount of public money on the table - $900 million. The Rays owner would climb Mount Everest to get his grubby hands on all that sweet taxpayer cash.
@@kjhuang nothing the owner can do, he's stuck in Tampa Bay because the MLB awarded the city a team as a thank you to Steinbrenner for doing so much for baseball.
@@SladeBling He's stuck in Tampa Bay because he's addicted to public money (like all the other MLB owners) and St. Pete is one of the few places left where he can get his fix.
Every other major market that could probably support this team better should be furious that Manfred worked to keep this team in Tampa when the city hasn't supported the team for 25 years. If the Rays are short on money to fund their end of the deal it's because their lousy attendance has cost them millions year after year.
A new Brodie video means a good day!
There were devoted die hard fans of the Arizona Coyotes hockey team, too. But not enough of them to fill a standard hockey arena of say 15,000. Those fans wanted all sorts of tax payer funded this and that and the organization is just a mess. Sports orgs make gobs of money now, they don't need publicly financed stadiums. Just say No. Yes the Rays will leave... so what?
I don’t think they’ll kill it as they’ll want to make the Rays commit to their side of the bargain something we should have done to our exes!!!!
Your facts are not right. The Ybor deal fell flat in 2018. Also, the Rays did make a definite commitment to St. Petersburg originally with the “Here To Stay” press conference last year, having worked for a year on the Gas Plant site and affirmative votes by both the City and County to support the project. If this falls apart, it’s all on the narrow tunnel vision of Pinellas County.
I’m only referencing reporting by the Tampa bay times on ybor. Article is linked in description
I’ll see what happens tomorrow
Please end it. Just go away!!!
They will probably move
Orlando Rays
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
TAMPA IS NOT GETTING THE TEAM EVER… ITS ST. PETE OR BYE BYE…
St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
for a relocation. One word. Montreal. They were robbed. Give em a second chance.
Move this team to Salt Lake!!
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
Relocate them to Sac permanently 💯
Why can't they just fix the damage? Did the building have no insurance?
Brodie covered this in earlier episodes. It was covered up to $25 million, but the initial repair estimate is well over $50 million. Plus, the City of St Pete wants to redevelop this section of their downtown area, and the existing Tropicana Field is too large (and ill-designed) for baseball. It was originally designed as a multi-purpose (football/soccer/baseball) stadium which no team wants to play in anymore.
Lets Go Rays!!
Billionaire Welfare Vote Yes Save a Billionaire.
How many times are you going to cover this topic? You've already stated that if the county doesn't approve the project then the Rays will keep the real prize within the deal, i.e., the ownership to the land in downtown, so you know good and damn well that the county isn't giving away the revenue from owning a multimillion/billion dollar piece of land. You can only beat a dead horse so much.
He’s hoping it fail so it gives Oakland a chance to get the team or think they’ll have someone to trauma bond with… and to think we felt sad and supported them when they lost their team. Go John Fisher and 🖕🏾 Oakland!
FMLB
Living in Vegas, I don't think we are going to get the A's... The Tropicana in itself is quite small, with little or no parking...
Im also not convinced that John Fisher has enough money for it..
SALUTE Look I am a Giants fan tho as I am reading the comments and I am noticing that it is CLEAR that Tampa Bay Rays fans are the smartest and most passionate of ALL the small market teams. Maybe even including Japan !!! And now thanks to y'all I am even considering getting MLB Extra Innings so I can be part of it !!!! #tampabaygiants
Rays ownership is stupid.
Tampa/St Pete leaders are stupid.
The Rays need to relocate.
Orlando is the answer!
The Orlando Rays OR The Orlando Dreamers!
If they end up moving I’d bet it’ll be outside of Florida
@@GDavis49 not a chance MLB leaves the 10 million people and growing megapolis in central Florida. Nashville and Charlotte are out. Portland is a no. SLC is eager but they are out west and should focus on expansion or the Athletics. Raleigh is not a better choice for the Rays than Orlando for a number of reasons.
@ How many times does MLB need to fail in Florida before they move on? For whatever the reasons it hasn’t worked and it’s time to move on
@@GDavis49 honestly, that is a good point. I don’t know why Miami doesn’t support the Marlins. In Florida, there are far too many entertainment options than to pay attention to baseball. But still. A state of 23 million people and rapid growth should get plenty of chances to prove its support. This isn’t Nebraska.
@@BlackSaiyan24 Well said 👍 without another city being MLB “ready” this will probably drag on for years
Orlando would be perfect for The Rays, a way better city than St. Petersburg.
And Tampa is better than both ✌️✌️
It's the absolute worst spot in the state outside of the panhandle
@@muslimadamsandler Tampa has no money, either do the Rays stadium or renovate Raymond James or the Bucs leave to Orlando anyway, hope this helps.
@@zch7491 60 million tourists. 3 million residents. Cry and cope
@@BlackSaiyan24 no one is moving from a city with more people and 5 rings to 0 ring Orlando, whos only claim to fame is shaq requesting a trade 😂
Answer….
Montreal…
s'il te plaît
Does every stadium experience more visitors fans when then the Red Sox, Yankees, and Braves come to town or was that just a Rays thing?
It is a Florida thing. So many people here relocated from and brought their original fan focus with them.
A.L. WEST
- Portland Rays
- West Sacramento Athletics
- Seattle Mariners
- Texas Rangers
- Los Angeles Angels
A.L. CENTRAL
- Kansas City Royals
- Cleveland Kozars
- Houston Astros
- Minnesota Twins
- Chicago White Sox
A.L. EAST
- Detroit Tigers
- New York Yankees
- Boston Red Sox
- Baltimore Orioles
- Toronto Blue Eh?
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
The best option has always been on the Tampa side in Ybor City. my understanding is that mayor Jane Castor doesn't want to spend city money on this stadium. Rays need to just kill the deal, forget St Pete and concentrate in Tampa.+
Florida is not a baseball state.
2 WS Titles (Miami Marlins), World Baseball Classic Venue, U of Florida 1 NCAA title and FSU 2nd Highest Win % All time in NCAA history, and half the MLB plays spring training games in (wait for it) Florida...not to mention the largest tournaments for youth baseball in Orlando/Disney Wide World of Sports complex...but, yah you're right it's like the 4th most popular sport
Goodbye A's. Hello Rays. Oakland Rays. Let's go Oakland!
😂
No. St. Pete and Pinellas County commissioners approved their bonds towards the funding for the new stadium in St. Pete. As a result, the Tampa Bay Rays are here to stay!
Rays and As play in Japan for 2026, 2027/ whenever ballparks are ready in the US
142million for roads and sewers for a stadium built right next door to the existing Tropicana Field?
It is for revitalization of the entire Gas Plant District which is currently underdeveloped... which is why it was available to the Rays.
They need to move to the actual city of Tampa since all the other pro teams do.
Only people who don't live in Florida want them to relocate to another state smh😂
The Rays home attendance figures say otherwise
@@shewannaseered yeah, though they are NOT going to Nashville or Portland or Charlotte. 3 percent chance of them going to SLC or Raleigh.
This is overly complicated like these dumb new baseball rules that are ALL terrible
Omaha! Omaha!
@@jonniez62 absolutely not. A tiny town. Focus on the college World Series. Not ready anytime soon for a big league sport. Imagine putting any kind of team in Nebraska, the consensus most boring state in the US.
And imagine trying to convince players to
Sign a free agent deal in OMAHA. Lol.
@BlackSaiyan24 they can play here in 26, until they move to Nashville.
@@jonniez62 Nashville mayor publicly said Nashville isn’t MLB ready any time soon. They are going to ask taxpayers to fund the Titans new stadium, 2 billion. They also spent lots of taxpayer dollars on their MLS stadium.
They have no more public money to spend on stadiums.
And MLB would never approve a temporary 2 year move to Omaha. The Rays will stay in Tampa Bay at Steinbrenner for the foreseeable future or one of the minor league ballparks. They’ll even consider playing a season at Disney’s Wide World of Sports.
Omaha is completely out of the question.
ruclips.net/video/26ocuom2aqc/видео.html
Is it too late to send Manfred to outerspace before opening day ???? Maybe we can save money and make it a one-way trip ???
THIS GUY IS A TROLL
How so? Because he covers these sort of topics on his channel? He’s always said he doesn’t want or like when teams relocate.
Funny how Brodi. And DepressedGinger are the only 2 closely following this.
You should do a video on the Everett Aquasox and the stadium saga here.