Imagine sitting in the uncomfortably quiet post-raid discord with your guild leader after the MC where he got 6 ppl killed for absolutely no reason lol
Hunters run through the area where he had to FD and then FD up by the key. Since he got caught by a patrol, he FD'd then ran through, the problem now is that the Hyena run faster than you even with Cheetah on and your FD is down. I've done this solo at least 100 times and I've never been caught by the patrol he ran into. Each time you reset the instance, the patrols start off in their normal starting area. He must have been taking his time and doing it very slowly to have been caught by that patrol. You are correct, you can run through the area and jump onto the ledge on the next ramp and reset, you try to enter the ramp from the right and jump on the left side but he stayed in the middle and agro'd the guard. In order to do this dungeon solo, you need to be an engineer to blow a door further into the dungeon. He should have had Target Dummies on him and he should have dropped one close to the ramp so he could jump on it and reset.
All these hardcore videos made me finally try HC for myself. This "HC is easy" mindset is from those guys who just watch VODs of players who devoted their lives to classic WoW and ofc it looks easy, but they don't run it themselves. What's worse is that streamers always try to show off, taking on a hard mob with relative ease, and you feel bad and noob if you don't follow in similar manner, which almost always results in a disaster. I died probably 5-10 times, starting from level 6 and up to level 13 just recently. Every time you learn something new, something you just didn't know before - that a certain type of mob will suddenly charge at you while almost dead and that you can't outrun it to survive; that certain location has way too quick respawns; that certain mobs slap like a truck while having seemingly infinite range; that you forgot about your Sticky Glue after fighting so many ranged units and die when you could have survived with a single button press, etc. Yes, each new time you get further. But the further you get, the further you'll have to re-level once you die. Each new lesson has a snowballing price. All the professions you leveled, all the ore you mined, all the gear you got lucky to have, everything's gone each time. And worst of all, after a while you don't appreciate the game as a new and wonderful experience, from being a living world it becomes more mechanical. And you have to do it mechanical, because if you don't, you will die, and you'll have to pay the price of re-leveling. Basically if you haven't leveled up to 60 on a normal character while trying not to die and learning from every death, don't even think of HC. It's a completely different way of playing from what an MMO like WoW is supposed to be, but it's also the most hyped one because it yields the most lucrative content. An "Instagram" effect.
@@GeejMusic Na, he was watching Soda's stream and realized he got caught so he tried to feign ignorance. He thought he would win if he just healed back up, he didn't think Soda would be able to get his mana back up and heal then get the W. Seems like he didn't really know how to play at all and wanted to fight Soda thinking that he's trash only to watch him on his stream in hopes of killing him and possibly getting clout himself.
The fact that all those melee stayed in and then the boss died less than two seconds later is the worst. If the fight had been just a few seconds quicker, they all would not have died. That's the absolute worst feeling. Rip those guys, that raid leader should be demoted at the _very_ least
All the melee who went in also didnt know the mechanics either, certainly the raid leader is at fault but the rest are too. If they knew the mechanic they wouldnt have gone in because its a 100% death.
If you watch it again, quite a few of the warriors ignored the raid leader's call to stay in, and moved out to save themselves (I don't blame them), if they HAD stayed they probably could have got the Executes off and nobody would have died. However, it was a stupidly risky call to begin with. I can't believe none of the 39 other players would stand up and say "nah let's not do this".
One thing I learned about HC - a lot of people just don't want to wait - be that waiting for the next ride at the elevator in UC, or in this instance, wait a few more seconds to get Geddon down after the pulse ends.
Tbf, you CAN stay in on geddon.... IF YOU HAVE FIRE RESIST. You absolutely cant without it. When I would tank geddon Id wear a bit of fire resist just so I didnt have to go out when the melee did to keep up threat, maybe raid lead had fire res brain
TBH if the warriors and couple rogues stayed in with the rest they would all have survived. Some warriors with deathwish up spaming execute and rogues pumping would have easily deleted those last 2% hp the boss had the problem was some people followed the call and some didnt. If they all followed the call they would all be alive yes it was an unecessary risk but in the end he gave the call and those who followed died because some didn't.
Those that ran out and ignored the raid leader who clearly didn't understand the mechanic, did 100% the right thing. Just listen to what the guy says, he didn't know that the damage ramps up to a lethal tick until after they died.
Also, even if it made any sense to do that, the call itself was horrible - "Just try to stay in if the damage is not too bad" - that's not how you call people to stay in and commit to the kill
Whoever was the guild master/raid leader should never lead a raid again. It's mind blowing to me that got a character to 60 in HC yet doesn't fully even understand the simple Molten Core mechanics.
not ganna lie the way he said that i think he was trying to get some people killed there is no way he didnt understand that mechanic while raid leading
So if you figure leveling 1-60 for a seasoned WoW player takes about 144 hours (6 days) to reach, and you pay them minimum wage for their time ($15.00/hour CAD)... This guild leader just cost his guild $12,960.00 in time /played, not including their time spent at level 60 gearing up. Yikes.
Sodapoppin is the fakest gamer I've ever seen. Dude gets boosted and now he's staging makgoras. The paladin clearly let him recover multiple times, backing off when he got too close to killing him. Why did he run around the fence like that instead of jumping over? So obvious
hc doesnt attract perfect pvpers everytime, plus soda's opponent wasnt max level indicating he has gaps in his wow skill (i for one died at level 7). soda also threw some grenades
If you're not clearly good enough to pull these solo dungeon farms dont waste your 58+ chars pls! Watching this hunter trying to click stuff in the end was rough its such a long grind ffs xD
That raid leader making a terrible call and nobody challenging them is a certified European moment, too many culturally awkward and shy to rebuke them, instead just silently rebel/comply and you end up in this situation where half ran out and the others stayed in. You really need a wise guy to call them out or tell them screw that, so others can use their common sense too. Nobody should be taking these risks in hardcore no matter what some parse brain demands.
Someone should test it; do some kind of experiment to see if Americans blindly follow orders from authority figures; say, a man in a lab coat; same as Europeans do. Surprised no one has thought of it before, really.
how in a mode where death is it, how do you not look up what each boss does????....... in a 15 year old game where theres updated vids from the rerelease of the game.
Imagine sitting in the uncomfortably quiet post-raid discord with your guild leader after the MC where he got 6 ppl killed for absolutely no reason lol
I have a hard time believing that call would be any sort of quiet.
I read some people saying he was one of the melee who died
Imagine not knowing the mechanics of a 20 year old boss
20? IT IS OLDER.@@Khagrim
@@mgntstr WoW was released in November 2004 so it's actually almost 19 years old
Hunters run through the area where he had to FD and then FD up by the key. Since he got caught by a patrol, he FD'd then ran through, the problem now is that the Hyena run faster than you even with Cheetah on and your FD is down. I've done this solo at least 100 times and I've never been caught by the patrol he ran into. Each time you reset the instance, the patrols start off in their normal starting area. He must have been taking his time and doing it very slowly to have been caught by that patrol.
You are correct, you can run through the area and jump onto the ledge on the next ramp and reset, you try to enter the ramp from the right and jump on the left side but he stayed in the middle and agro'd the guard.
In order to do this dungeon solo, you need to be an engineer to blow a door further into the dungeon. He should have had Target Dummies on him and he should have dropped one close to the ramp so he could jump on it and reset.
All these hardcore videos made me finally try HC for myself. This "HC is easy" mindset is from those guys who just watch VODs of players who devoted their lives to classic WoW and ofc it looks easy, but they don't run it themselves. What's worse is that streamers always try to show off, taking on a hard mob with relative ease, and you feel bad and noob if you don't follow in similar manner, which almost always results in a disaster.
I died probably 5-10 times, starting from level 6 and up to level 13 just recently. Every time you learn something new, something you just didn't know before - that a certain type of mob will suddenly charge at you while almost dead and that you can't outrun it to survive; that certain location has way too quick respawns; that certain mobs slap like a truck while having seemingly infinite range; that you forgot about your Sticky Glue after fighting so many ranged units and die when you could have survived with a single button press, etc.
Yes, each new time you get further. But the further you get, the further you'll have to re-level once you die. Each new lesson has a snowballing price. All the professions you leveled, all the ore you mined, all the gear you got lucky to have, everything's gone each time.
And worst of all, after a while you don't appreciate the game as a new and wonderful experience, from being a living world it becomes more mechanical. And you have to do it mechanical, because if you don't, you will die, and you'll have to pay the price of re-leveling.
Basically if you haven't leveled up to 60 on a normal character while trying not to die and learning from every death, don't even think of HC. It's a completely different way of playing from what an MMO like WoW is supposed to be, but it's also the most hyped one because it yields the most lucrative content. An "Instagram" effect.
Git gud
Noob
"Streamers taking on hard mob with relaitve ease", who are you talking about? the MAJORITY of high-viewer streamers are dogshit at the game.
@@Ablackdruid looks like even a youtuber transmitting a wholesome personality content gets a bunch of piranhas as subscribers
I have yet to die on my 25 shaman. Its extremely easy, not sure how people struggle so much.
that makgora is such a feed, suspect. 6:05 literally runs away for no reason.
yeah it was a viewer who wasnt trying to win
def a weird duel toward the end. just jumping around
@@GeejMusic Imagine wasting all your time/effort for a streamer...
@@danielwilkins6302 maybe he got paid to do it for soda's content who knows
@@GeejMusic Na, he was watching Soda's stream and realized he got caught so he tried to feign ignorance. He thought he would win if he just healed back up, he didn't think Soda would be able to get his mana back up and heal then get the W. Seems like he didn't really know how to play at all and wanted to fight Soda thinking that he's trash only to watch him on his stream in hopes of killing him and possibly getting clout himself.
Molten Core is old enough to vote and HC raiders don't know the mechanics, which are documented in many many websites xD
If everybody listened to his call the boss dies before anybody dies
Not saying it's worth it to risk it
Pally went full Benny Hill & decided to take the long way around that barrier
The fact that all those melee stayed in and then the boss died less than two seconds later is the worst. If the fight had been just a few seconds quicker, they all would not have died. That's the absolute worst feeling. Rip those guys, that raid leader should be demoted at the _very_ least
I wouldn't have stayed in if I was a melee in that fight. Then again I would have spoke up. All those people died for no reason. :(
All the melee who went in also didnt know the mechanics either, certainly the raid leader is at fault but the rest are too. If they knew the mechanic they wouldnt have gone in because its a 100% death.
They died because they were bad at raiding it's pretty straightforward.
"Melee brain"
that pala threw it so hard lol
That shit is so staged i can't believe people fall for it
Thank you so much for these analysis videos..these are reaction vids...but so very helpful and eye opening to everyone..and rip
He is right, you can stay, but you need very high fire res...
"just stay in its not too bad"
hundreds of hours down the drain by that one line:
Pala duel was a little sussy 🤨
Just stay in there guys don't worry about it.
If you watch it again, quite a few of the warriors ignored the raid leader's call to stay in, and moved out to save themselves (I don't blame them), if they HAD stayed they probably could have got the Executes off and nobody would have died. However, it was a stupidly risky call to begin with. I can't believe none of the 39 other players would stand up and say "nah let's not do this".
that paladin threw on purpose
And thats why you don't always blindly listen to authority!
One thing I learned about HC - a lot of people just don't want to wait - be that waiting for the next ride at the elevator in UC, or in this instance, wait a few more seconds to get Geddon down after the pulse ends.
More fire aura. Handle it.
Tbf, you CAN stay in on geddon.... IF YOU HAVE FIRE RESIST. You absolutely cant without it. When I would tank geddon Id wear a bit of fire resist just so I didnt have to go out when the melee did to keep up threat, maybe raid lead had fire res brain
2:50 even in vanilla we would do a pally shield pull every time.
raid leader just farmed 6 ears in a few seconds
legend
I've been on some... specific servers, and even level 85 for transmog, you don't want to take your shower in geddon waves
The damage should be very healable 💀
Those players that died are 100% responsible for their deaths. Bad call, but it's on them.
i'd also be nervous dueling soda he used to duel for gold CONSTANTLY
TBH if the warriors and couple rogues stayed in with the rest they would all have survived. Some warriors with deathwish up spaming execute and rogues pumping would have easily deleted those last 2% hp the boss had the problem was some people followed the call and some didnt. If they all followed the call they would all be alive yes it was an unecessary risk but in the end he gave the call and those who followed died because some didn't.
It was an awful call that should have been completely ignored, and any melee who died did so because they were braindead.
Those that ran out and ignored the raid leader who clearly didn't understand the mechanic, did 100% the right thing. Just listen to what the guy says, he didn't know that the damage ramps up to a lethal tick until after they died.
Also, even if it made any sense to do that, the call itself was horrible - "Just try to stay in if the damage is not too bad" - that's not how you call people to stay in and commit to the kill
As bad as that call was in MC: do your own boss research and you'll know not to just blindly listen to a RL.
Whoever made the call to stay in on Geddon should never raid lead or open his mic again.
on the private server we played on we always tried to get knocked up and grab the crystals on the ceiling in Baron's room, good times
You definitely back off immediately as the hunter...
whos the raid lead at the beg of the clip?
Whoever was the guild master/raid leader should never lead a raid again. It's mind blowing to me that got a character to 60 in HC yet doesn't fully even understand the simple Molten Core mechanics.
I dont really get why people are blaming the raid leader for those MC deaths.
Would YOU have stayed in if that call went out?
If i was that hunter i wouldnt of challanged that at all.
1:52 he died so fast
not ganna lie the way he said that i think he was trying to get some people killed there is no way he didnt understand that mechanic while raid leading
Throw that guy out of the guild!
that hunter is smart at 10:00, untill he died xD
So if you figure leveling 1-60 for a seasoned WoW player takes about 144 hours (6 days) to reach, and you pay them minimum wage for their time ($15.00/hour CAD)...
This guild leader just cost his guild $12,960.00 in time /played, not including their time spent at level 60 gearing up. Yikes.
except your time playing a videogame isn't equivalent to working for 8 hours a day
That's true. You put way more effort in gaming than working, so the actual cost should be higher@@sygos
Loool
wow XD was that a grief from the raid leader?
nah hes just the standart classic andy
nice call ...
18 years and people dont know what *Baron Geddon does? :D
Sodapoppin is the fakest gamer I've ever seen. Dude gets boosted and now he's staging makgoras. The paladin clearly let him recover multiple times, backing off when he got too close to killing him. Why did he run around the fence like that instead of jumping over? So obvious
hc doesnt attract perfect pvpers everytime, plus soda's opponent wasnt max level indicating he has gaps in his wow skill (i for one died at level 7). soda also threw some grenades
Watching the most brain dead raid lead kill several 60's to a mechanic that came out in 2004 is hilarious.
the sadest part, these noobs made it to 60
doesnt look fun if i was a player
unless i was a streamer being paid enough to buy a house i guess
If you're not clearly good enough to pull these solo dungeon farms dont waste your 58+ chars pls! Watching this hunter trying to click stuff in the end was rough its such a long grind ffs xD
say waaaaaaaaa?
That raid leader making a terrible call and nobody challenging them is a certified European moment, too many culturally awkward and shy to rebuke them, instead just silently rebel/comply and you end up in this situation where half ran out and the others stayed in. You really need a wise guy to call them out or tell them screw that, so others can use their common sense too. Nobody should be taking these risks in hardcore no matter what some parse brain demands.
"European moment"
Yes us Europeans aren’t like the cool Americans:/
Someone should test it; do some kind of experiment to see if Americans blindly follow orders from authority figures; say, a man in a lab coat; same as Europeans do.
Surprised no one has thought of it before, really.
Every time there is a clip of a hunter he is simply BAD at the game it's so BORING to watch omggg
how in a mode where death is it, how do you not look up what each boss does????....... in a 15 year old game where theres updated vids from the rerelease of the game.