Jeff, I just unboxed my Vevor 6-ton manual lever hoist with 13200 lbs loading capacity, and 10 ft of 80g chain, that thing is a beast at 77.5 lbs, can't wait to see how well it's going to do against an ash tree stump that's grown onto an oak next to it, I've dug around 3 sides with my mini excavator and cut part of the connection with my chain saw, wish me luck at 81 years old.
When people come around asking You for a job, show them the video of Your Son running that new air impact. Tell them that's what happens most all day, every day. Best Wishes to everyone at Anderson Construction, their Families and Friends.
Longer anvils will always absorb more of your hammer impacts. A longer shaft is a longer "spring". It is a stiff torsional spring but it is a spring nonetheless. Shorter anvils, short sockets, no extensions, bigger hose, shorter hose, more pressure - they all mean more impact power. I could see that Vevor air motor having a stuck rotor vein(s) as new. More oil helped get it spinning and hammering to break the veins loose.
Several friends are going back to air here...most are tired of laying out big bucks for batteries and the lifetime of some of these cordless tools just isn't there. I've got CP and Ingersoll air tools that are 50 yrs old and still doing the job as well as being economical to use rebuild kits. I've got plenty of cordless shit and it has its place.
Man oh man, hasn't changed a bit, damn Bolts. When the fork lift un loaded a pallet of pads and a couple of cases of track bolts ug, wound up using a 185 cfm Joy air compressor ,hook to the back of the truck. Shorted up the air hose trying to get more air flow. Ingersoll also and not much better results. Did good on the dumps lugs thow. Bout time to build a offset spreader bar to mount to the truck boom to hold that impact. Love my job...
Great video Jeff always enjoy watching you test out impact tools whether it air or battery powered torque is torque. Thanks for sharing stay safe Jeff and Mr Griffy.
The longer anvil means more material slamming against the socket to try and hammer against the nut or bolt to break it loose. I'm sure the motors are capable of their advertised torque but the purpose of an IMPACT gun is the hammering capability. The air powered guns have larger, heavier components to hammer on the anvil to break bolts free. It's easy to tell the difference just by listening to the hammer noise, the electric is a higher pitch and faster like it's just trying to vibrate the bolt loose. The other way to tell is just by how much each gun weighs, like how the Vevor is 45 lbs but produces a whopping 5,000 lbs/ft.
Over the years every air tool I have purchased is rated at 90 PSI for some reason. nearly every shop I ever worked at including my own air systems shut off at 175 PSI. and the real world get the rusted stuck bolts out is in fact the true measure of a power tool. The computations for areas affected by pressure is not hard. Especially in todays world where you can look it up on a phone. It's not hard folks.
Don’t you just love it when people who don’t know you other than being on RUclips trying to tell you what you have and don’t. I’m like you torque is torque no matter what it is air or battery or electric. Good video
Long anvils shafts allow to transfer the impact from the anvil to the socket with a delay,like a spring effect. Torque is delayed in time in the spring to suit big bolts plasticity/elasticity. The bigger the bolts,the longer they absorb, deform ,and restitute energy. I guess the mass of the bolts you work on with that tool require a tuning for the anvil impact rate,anvil shaft length. It's fine tuning between amount of rotationnal speed energy,mass, and elasticity. Just my theory knowing that torque is related to a mass its speed.
I bought my first Ford recently, a 1997. But the only reason I bought that is because someone already went thru the expense of fitting a 1997 Cummins 5.9 and newer superduty axles. Unfortunately it has only the Ford 5 speed. I really like the six speed Dodges and I assume the 6sp Fords are similar.
Jeff actually 10,000 psi could be construed as 5 tons " per square inch" , by those that think they know. But what the rest of us know. They weren't factoring in the full surface area of the ram. Which is part of the equation. When measuring applied pressure. So maybe have them sit in the corner, with their participation trophy.
Ive been needing a couple new guns. Thanks for making a video of the Vevor. I ordered 2 of them to keep on my trucks. Battery powered impacts of this size is pointless to use unless you just need a couple bolts/nuts removed. I had a few IR's and Milwaukee's and they are all sitting on the shelf covered in dust. They have their place I guess just not for what I do.
i,ve in the past had a few of those skts on 8/9 s hard friend of mine said previous owns had loose one so they heated it up cooled the hub before makes it interesting just keep on pushing dirt
They told Mr it's a real bad idea, I did it anyway. 2 bay auto shop , 1/2" sced40 pvc air line@175psi. Only lasted 40 years, and NO rust. Most will use motor oil to lube gun and rubber trigger seals may swell. Viton seals are silicone, last much longer. As gun breaks-in it will have more power, kept lubed. Jeff Wins!!!❤
I have several brands of cordless electric impacts and ratchets. They all perform well and I'm not disappointed with any of them but when you need power and constant operation air power tools a the way to go. The one real big dislike I have for cordless electric is the cost of replacement batteries and the batteries do not interchange between brands.
There is pressure and flow (CFM) in the hose size and length and connectors. I have a 3/4 " that will not work on a small hose , I use a 1/2" hose with full bore connectors and that works . Probably those big guns you have should have a 3/4 full flow or larger for a longer hose and probably a bigger pressure tank. If you tee in a pressure gauge at the gun you can see how much pressure drop you have a t the gun when running . The longer the hose the bigger it needs to be to a point . That big gun should break off or remove almost anything with enough air flow and pressure . I remember the old TD 15 track adjustment not would not turn with the wrench and 6 feet of pipe so we put a 4 foot pipe wrench on the nut and used the backhoe bucket to push the pipe wrench that got it to move , some times it takes a come along or a machine to get enough force to do the job .
Hose ID using r2, 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch volume. 3/4 inch delivers 225% more air than 1/2 inch. Rotary screw compressor and size of tank run several 1 inch impact all day.
yes, some people would say " well common sense says you need to double the line size to get twice the flow" LOL but that's not how "common sense" works in the science world
The service truck we used at the tire store I worked at, had a 250 lb air compressor with 1 inch hoses to bust semi tires loose. This was in the early 90's. The impact gun must have weighed at least 40 lb. While using once I almost broke my wrist. I learned real fast not to be timid with it but have a firm grip with both hands. I think it was an Ingersoll Rand unit.
that's an impressive rattle gun, we had a 1" drive 3900 IR and it was great at 3000ft/pounds. our service vehicle got stolen and it was in it , i think it was $6300 au back then, we never replaced it , i do believe that the latest 3900 series is 1" 1/2 " and goes to 5000ft/pounds but only in reverse. they are a very good tool. a bit lighter than 45 lbs at 35 lbs from memory. twin hammer action. probably over $10k for something like that today in Australia.
The long Anvil gun has more weight in the rotating mass than a short one. Part of the reason a straight 6 has more torque than a similar size V8. The long crankshaft that weighs more goes a long way towards that.
The great thing about pneumatic tools is their power density and willingness to take a beating. I know they measure air pressure at the tool - probably free speed. I'm sure you have some decent pressure loss for your length of hose, although it looks like you have a decently big hose diameter. Certainly with big air impacts I'd be running full air pressure too. I sometimes work with air hoists for special rigging jobs. They are very air hungry too. We sometimes run more air pressure if our hose diameters are on the small side.
An even simpler way to explain it for those that don't get it is this: - we are applying 10,000 psi. That's 10,000 pounds of force in one square inch. - We do the math and find that we have 19.625 of those square inches. So we're applying 10,000 pounds of force 19.625 times at the same time. - So multiplying the numbers gets 196,250 pounds of force - Divide by 2,000 to convert to tons to get the Jeff answer. I think it's the concept of applying 10,000 pounds of pressure 19+ times that's throwing people off
It’s probably slightly larger than 5 inches because that cylinder is rated at 100 tons. So they can put that in there pipe and smoke it. I am pretty sure there is or was a larger cylinder available rated at 150 tons as well
Jeff pies aren't squared they're round 😂 Lol... And you're right about too much power for truck lug nuts. I broke 2 brand new studs on a steering axle that had those really big Budd studs with my Earthquake impact.
Jeff there is a RUclips of a small Asian girl doing tires . She has a setup that holds her gun close to yhe tyres. 😊 you might need one for that beaver . Lol and we all know you used Mr Griffin magic water to get it spinning. 🤣 😅
Jeff I'm convinced that it's either the teachers have no real life work experience today like when we were in school. Or the kids can't read and comprehend today. I'm teaching my boy how to rebuild his own truck engine and we're having a ball. One of his friends said what are you doing. We said taking the engine apart. He said you just get a new truck. My boy said do you want to help me. He said I guess, he gives him the wrench and says turn it to the left to take it off. He was struggling with it and I asked. What direction are you trying to go. He pointed right 😂😂. My boy said you don't know left from right? He said I'm doing it right you are the ones doing it wrong. I gave him the manual to look up the torque specs for a few days later. He said what is that part your wanting 😂😂. Between us he is able to change his tire now and service his own car. But he didn't learn anything from school somehow or his parents. I'm actually concerned about the new generation being able to keep things together after we're done working. Great job on the video Jeff and your correct torque is torque no matter the source it's coming from.
yes, if you ask them how does your cell phone work? they don't know what a "cell" is or any of the technology, there is studies out now studying kids who grew up with a "smart device" in their hand, it's not good, especially for children 5 and under
Maybe it's like when you measure horsepower on a truck you lose 20% to the ground if you check horsepower at the flywheel of a diesel motor it is 20% more than horsepower tested at the wheel maybe torque ratings are based on motor for one and at the socket for the other granted there's not as many gears between one spot and the other but maybe that is the situation where they actually measure the torque
It is possible the Ingersol is putting out the rated torque. The Harbor freight could be producing greater than its rated torque. The Ingersol may also only put out its rated torque for a very short time. Torque is torque and. HP is HP but people have calculated HP in so many different ways as to make it useless for comparisons. Maybe it’s the same for torque. No matter what I’m pretty sure this horse if not dead is severely injured.
So ya saying electric is all talk were as air is plain and simple torque bro. Never was any good at maths in school but liked your lesson. Safe travels. Ken.
Why in the hell didn't you have the Gallion and a sling to hang that gun on ? Even the Pakistanies have them on a spring loaded cart... I'm just kidding you. Good stuff as always.
the volume of air makes a difference too just think if you had a tow behind compressor that runs a jack hammer hooked up to that air gun how much harder it would be hitting
If Jeff knew the air pressure at the impact gun, then he'd know if he could be ahead with a diesel compressor and less hose or not. Otherwise the electric compressor has more pressure. At least that's what I've seen with the big air compressors on my projects. I remember having a huge Aggreko 480V compressor that kept going offline when I pushed it to around 130 psi.
a 500 Hp electric motor is as powerful as a 500 Hp diesel engine. A 501 hp Pneumatic motor should be more powerful than them both. Assuming were not taking the power band rpms into consideration. I agree with you jeff. Which is heavier, 500 lbs of feathers or 500 lbs of steel.
Power is power but obviously an engine making the same HP at a lower RPM has more torque. For the electric motor to make the same torque, you have to gear it down. Gearing eats power and so you loose efficiency. Same if you have to gear up the diesel. Of course an electric motor is harder to rate. They can slow down and pull huge amps to make much more power than rated. HP = Torque x RPM / 5252. My 93 Dodge Cummins at 160HP didn't make much power but it had a good amount of torque and so it could still pull trailers well. You just didn't run it over 2000 rpm. Not enough air or fuel.
@@Jpaydirtcareful Jeff. HP is HP you are comparing kw to Hp i.e if you replace a 10 HP engine with an electric motor it needs to be 10 ÷ 1.3 = 7.7 Hp to do the same work. Likewise ekw is not equel to kw to generate 10 ekw you only need a 9.7 kw engine.👍
I think the trouble here is confusing power kw or hp with torque. None of the impact guns state a power rating and I think you will find the pheumatic guns will have much more power then the electric due to a higher power density. The power kw of an air motor is a function of torque and speed at a constant air pressure, the power decreases once RPM increases beyond 50% of idle (motor displacement exceeds available air flow) but can be increased by raising the air pressure.
cdn.emotorsdirect.ca/knowledge-center/replacing-engine-with-electric-motor-hp.pdf I found this interesting reading, it's titled Horsepower is Horsepower.......or is it. lots of factors involved but the more we know LOL thanks for your comment
my biggest gripe with electric tools is no one set a standard for a battery connection so every brand you have to buy batteries for that brand. if these corporations were not so greedy they would just make the tools and let someone else make specialize in the batteries
I'm sorry to bring up a bad deal, but who was that fella who passed on a few years back, loved to pet mr.griff? That video really touched me. Also thinking of old kenny, hope they're both doing just fine.wish everyone the best
@@Jpaydirt I found it..goddamn what a shame. So many good folks pass on too soon before their time or before you get a chance to say how much they're appreciated. Hope everyone is doing ok.
Jeff, DCV doesn't have much to do with charge status. Amperage is all that matters, thats why you load test batteries to test them. There is also no such thing as a 20v system, they are all 18v due to the type/number of batteries used, and the way they are sequenced. Its all marketing, its like saying your car is 14v because it charges at 14v. Those tool batteries should still show roughly 18v even when they are stone dead. If they ever show zero volts they are probably gone forever, and likely to explode due to the nature of lithium batteries. Conversely tjey can show less than 18v and still have enough current to run the tool.
so your saying that lithium can still deliver at lower voltage? I left out some video of why I was checking the batteries, and that was I wanted to see the voltage difference at 50% and 100% unfortunately I didn't have it down that far, I just know it doesn't hit very hard when you get to 50%
@Jpaydirt Just saying voltage doesn't tell you much about current. Putting a multimeter on a DC battery just gives you a rough idea about the state of the battery. But ya, a full battery gives you the most potential. Theoretically, it shouldn't matter with litium, but in practice, you lose about 5% in the first 3/4. Torque test channel also has a ton of battery tests. Happy mothers day to Mrs Paydirt
It doesn't have a high cfm, but has a large tank, it doesn't drop the pressure very fast, but on tough bolts once it's at 150 it's time to stop and wait, the compressor was free, it came from some Air Force application, has a3/4 horse motor is all, I want to put the old compressor off my service truck and a larger motor on it, but I have all this stuff to fix
jay wins again - math is correct, its trivial on the gun issue = i think part of the problem with the gun rating is the marketing guys like to dumb down the gun rating to "torque" but an impact gun is just that... its "IMPACTING" the fastner - not "STATIC" torque at all. So really the guns should have an ENERGY rating ( energy is equal to say a mass dropping a distance in gravity - the hammer picks up energy and whamo it hits that Wabco bolt. There is another problem... the system that is transmitting that hit of energy wants to be as close to an "impulse" delivered by non deformable materials as possible. But as Jay has discovered it ain't.... its all elastic from the anvil all the way through the shaft of the bolt right into the threaded section. So there is a difference between a gun/anvil/bolt that is light and flexible vs a gun/anvil/bolt that is heavy and very stiff So now lets think about how an impact actually removes a bolt - it has to put enough energy into all those parts such that the threaded part actually rotates slightly and does not spring back into the resting position - you have to slightly rotate the very bottom of the bolt thread with each blow from the gun. Otherwise it just relaxes and never actually moves. That undo blow has to fully overcome the mass plus the static friction forces - the trick employed is an impulse of energy not a static force applied like a torque. So the take away is this - when it comes to IMPACT GUNS - ENERGY and MASS IS KING - you need to deliver lotsa energy and have enough mass and stiffness to transfer that energy to the bottom of the bolt you want proof that you are not really applying a static torque? Just ask who is supplying the torque? Not the dude holding the gun that is for sure. So lets give up on that. There are super hi torque system that use hydraulics but those require a reaction bar to supply the equal and opposite torque let the games begin....
I believe everything you said, sometimes if another person grabs the anvil or socket and provides a twisting motion as to remove the kick back, they all of a sudden start to move. the rating in torque for reverse is not accurate and no standardized method is used, there's impacts per min/sec. and motor speed. just wish they had a real method of power measurement that was an industry standard
Jeff, I just unboxed my Vevor 6-ton manual lever hoist with 13200 lbs loading capacity, and 10 ft of 80g chain, that thing is a beast at 77.5 lbs, can't wait to see how well it's going to do against an ash tree stump that's grown onto an oak next to it, I've dug around 3 sides with my mini excavator and cut part of the connection with my chain saw, wish me luck at 81 years old.
Good luck John. Let us know when you get that ash out.
Best Wishes to You and Your Family.
Shorter hose. Larger diameter hose. Or an air tank close to the gun. As a surge tank to supply massive amount of air.
Well said, you don't have to explain anything else. If it takes a bolt off it works. If not it doesn't.
I wish you had been my math teacher! Class would have been FUN!
Jeff i live in the same world u live in !
Damnit man! Pies are round not square!
Cornbread are square
A test is a test. Torque is Torque.
Jpaydirt is Giving a lesson. Period.
When people come around asking You for a job, show them the video of Your Son running that new air impact. Tell them that's what happens most all day, every day.
Best Wishes to everyone at Anderson Construction, their Families and Friends.
Longer anvils will always absorb more of your hammer impacts. A longer shaft is a longer "spring". It is a stiff torsional spring but it is a spring nonetheless. Shorter anvils, short sockets, no extensions, bigger hose, shorter hose, more pressure - they all mean more impact power. I could see that Vevor air motor having a stuck rotor vein(s) as new. More oil helped get it spinning and hammering to break the veins loose.
Several friends are going back to air here...most are tired of laying out big bucks for batteries and the lifetime of some of these cordless tools just isn't there. I've got CP and Ingersoll air tools that are 50 yrs old and still doing the job as well as being economical to use rebuild kits. I've got plenty of cordless shit and it has its place.
Man oh man, hasn't changed a bit, damn Bolts. When the fork lift un loaded a pallet of pads and a couple of cases of track bolts ug, wound up using a 185 cfm Joy air compressor ,hook to the back of the truck. Shorted up the air hose trying to get more air flow. Ingersoll also and not much better results. Did good on the dumps lugs thow. Bout time to build a offset spreader bar to mount to the truck boom to hold that impact. Love my job...
Great video Jeff always enjoy watching you test out impact tools whether it air or battery powered torque is torque. Thanks for sharing stay safe Jeff and Mr Griffy.
Electric tools trying to get in the big boys club. Fail. Torque is torque.
The longer anvil means more material slamming against the socket to try and hammer against the nut or bolt to break it loose. I'm sure the motors are capable of their advertised torque but the purpose of an IMPACT gun is the hammering capability. The air powered guns have larger, heavier components to hammer on the anvil to break bolts free. It's easy to tell the difference just by listening to the hammer noise, the electric is a higher pitch and faster like it's just trying to vibrate the bolt loose. The other way to tell is just by how much each gun weighs, like how the Vevor is 45 lbs but produces a whopping 5,000 lbs/ft.
Over the years every air tool I have purchased is rated at 90 PSI for some reason. nearly every shop I ever worked at including my own air systems shut off at 175 PSI. and the real world get the rusted stuck bolts out is in fact the true measure of a power tool. The computations for areas affected by pressure is not hard. Especially in todays world where you can look it up on a phone. It's not hard folks.
90 is always the min for proper operation
Jeff, you are a smart fella!!! Thank you!
fart smeller LOL
Thanks for the show guys 🍻
Don’t you just love it when people who don’t know you other than being on RUclips trying to tell you what you have and don’t. I’m like you torque is torque no matter what it is air or battery or electric. Good video
You are like torque test channel,no bullshit just real test
Pie are square, I almost crapped myself!
Jeff should be on stage with Walter and Jeff Dunham!😂💯🤣🧐
Perfect wrench for changing out my go kart wheels
Long anvils shafts allow to transfer the impact from the anvil to the socket with a delay,like a spring effect.
Torque is delayed in time in the spring to suit big bolts plasticity/elasticity.
The bigger the bolts,the longer they absorb, deform ,and restitute energy.
I guess the mass of the bolts you work on with that tool require a tuning for the anvil impact rate,anvil shaft length.
It's fine tuning between amount of rotationnal speed energy,mass, and elasticity.
Just my theory knowing that torque is related to a mass its speed.
I need a ford like the one in the shop. Nice truck 👍
I bought my first Ford recently, a 1997. But the only reason I bought that is because someone already went thru the expense of fitting a 1997 Cummins 5.9 and newer superduty axles. Unfortunately it has only the Ford 5 speed. I really like the six speed Dodges and I assume the 6sp Fords are similar.
Jeff actually 10,000 psi could be construed as 5 tons " per square inch" , by those that think they know.
But what the rest of us know. They weren't factoring in the full surface area of the ram. Which is part of the equation. When measuring applied pressure.
So maybe have them sit in the corner, with their participation trophy.
Ive been needing a couple new guns. Thanks for making a video of the Vevor. I ordered 2 of them to keep on my trucks.
Battery powered impacts of this size is pointless to use unless you just need a couple bolts/nuts removed.
I had a few IR's and Milwaukee's and they are all sitting on the shelf covered in dust. They have their place I guess just not for what I do.
Great video 👍 Each tool size is for useable application's, the lesson to be learned is go hire the tool before buying it!😊
i,ve in the past had a few of those skts on 8/9 s hard friend of mine said previous owns had loose one so they heated it up cooled the hub before makes it interesting just keep on pushing dirt
is that your first Vevor.I have seen there tools advertized but know nothing about them.🤩👍👍great video.
They told Mr it's a real bad idea, I did it anyway. 2 bay auto shop , 1/2" sced40 pvc air line@175psi. Only lasted 40 years, and NO rust.
Most will use motor oil to lube gun and rubber trigger seals may swell. Viton seals are silicone, last much longer.
As gun breaks-in it will have more power, kept lubed.
Jeff Wins!!!❤
I have several brands of cordless electric impacts and ratchets. They all perform well and I'm not disappointed with any of them but when you need power and constant operation air power tools a the way to go. The one real big dislike I have for cordless electric is the cost of replacement batteries and the batteries do not interchange between brands.
There is pressure and flow (CFM) in the hose size and length and connectors.
I have a 3/4 " that will not work on a small hose , I use a 1/2" hose with full bore connectors and that works .
Probably those big guns you have should have a 3/4 full flow or larger for a longer hose and probably a bigger pressure tank.
If you tee in a pressure gauge at the gun you can see how much pressure drop you have a t the gun when running .
The longer the hose the bigger it needs to be to a point .
That big gun should break off or remove almost anything with enough air flow and pressure .
I remember the old TD 15 track adjustment not would not turn with the wrench and 6 feet of pipe so we put a 4 foot pipe wrench on the nut and used the backhoe bucket to push the pipe wrench that got it to move , some times it takes a come along or a machine to get enough force to do the job .
Damn Jeff’ that wrench is Legit 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Hose ID using r2, 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch volume. 3/4 inch delivers 225% more air than 1/2 inch.
Rotary screw compressor and size of tank run several 1 inch impact all day.
yes, some people would say " well common sense says you need to double the line size to get twice the flow" LOL but that's not how "common sense" works in the science world
The service truck we used at the tire store I worked at, had a 250 lb air compressor with 1 inch hoses to bust semi tires loose. This was in the early 90's. The impact gun must have weighed at least 40 lb. While using once I almost broke my wrist. I learned real fast not to be timid with it but have a firm grip with both hands. I think it was an Ingersoll Rand unit.
You need that harness that has a metal vertical then an arm extends forward of you hook on the cable and hit helps with the weight
that's an impressive rattle gun, we had a 1" drive 3900 IR and it was great at 3000ft/pounds. our service vehicle got stolen and it was in it , i think it was $6300 au back then, we never replaced it , i do believe that the latest 3900 series is 1" 1/2 " and goes to 5000ft/pounds but only in reverse. they are a very good tool. a bit lighter than 45 lbs at 35 lbs from memory. twin hammer action. probably over $10k for something like that today in Australia.
This is way better than a torque test channel real world is real world
The long Anvil gun has more weight in the rotating mass than a short one. Part of the reason a straight 6 has more torque than a similar size V8. The long crankshaft that weighs more goes a long way towards that.
hmm , never considered that, I was under the impression that it was stroke that produced torque, hence the longer the wrench the more torque you got
Can't wait for the next installment of "What force does 10,000 psi make?" haha
Jeff if you stop eating Mr Griffies bones he wont have to hide them. LOL
The great thing about pneumatic tools is their power density and willingness to take a beating. I know they measure air pressure at the tool - probably free speed. I'm sure you have some decent pressure loss for your length of hose, although it looks like you have a decently big hose diameter. Certainly with big air impacts I'd be running full air pressure too. I sometimes work with air hoists for special rigging jobs. They are very air hungry too. We sometimes run more air pressure if our hose diameters are on the small side.
3/4 hose with twist ends, there is a screen at the gun, thinking about removing it
Use that all Day , that's a Work out !
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An even simpler way to explain it for those that don't get it is this:
- we are applying 10,000 psi. That's 10,000 pounds of force in one square inch.
- We do the math and find that we have 19.625 of those square inches. So we're applying 10,000 pounds of force 19.625 times at the same time.
- So multiplying the numbers gets 196,250 pounds of force
- Divide by 2,000 to convert to tons to get the Jeff answer.
I think it's the concept of applying 10,000 pounds of pressure 19+ times that's throwing people off
Love the Pittsburgh power sticker. RIP Pete.
Wow...didn't know that Pete Sharp, the VP of Pittsburgh Power just died at 59. Funeral May 11, 2024. Bruce Mallinson's right hand man for sure.
It’s probably slightly larger than 5 inches because that cylinder is rated at 100 tons. So they can put that in there pipe and smoke it. I am pretty sure there is or was a larger cylinder available rated at 150 tons as well
I got a bunch of similar comments on my press videos. Some people amaze me.
People watch about a third of the video, see something and run to the comments to be the first one to post their expert opinion.
best comment ever "please dial 911 if your house is on fire before you post it on Facebook"
Maths is hard. Arguing on the internet is easier for people 🤣
"Math" is not a plural.
Actually, Jeff just gave a lesson in geometry.
That f+%$ing electric ir with that junk trigger .. my man Jeff almost lost another eye !!
That thing sounds like an M2 going off!
The Torque Test guys should test this one out. I'm impressed. Need one. But need a bigger compressor
Havn't seen ur whiteboard in a while, thanks.
Thanks Jeff
Jeff wins a lot. That's cause Jeff is right! Torque is torque.
Looks well worth the $200! Carry that sucker around all day you will get in good shape though. LOL
Jeff pies aren't squared they're round 😂 Lol... And you're right about too much power for truck lug nuts. I broke 2 brand new studs on a steering axle that had those really big Budd studs with my Earthquake impact.
Use Marvel Mystery oil as lubricant in an air tool. It is great stuff!!
Marvel Mystery Oil... What's in it ?
Nobody knows, it's a Mystery !
No .. 20wt
Oil makes all air impact wrenches work better.
“I can’t do the gaybow.” Hahahaha!
People need to remember... 2000 pounds equals ONE ton...
Jeffrey I'm with you torque is torque. My personal opinion you can't beat air.
Hydraulic is "the" power for heavy maintenance....think of 3 1/2" drive and over 50,000# of torque.
F = Pressurre X Area
= 10,000 pounds / square inch x 3.14 x 2.5 x 2.5 square inch
= 196,375 pounds, ( square inch cancels out )
= ~ 90 tons of force.
little bit of oil goes a long way...lol!
Jeff after watching this presentation. The I R has no ability to remove the operators cap.
I'm guessing it's the same as weighted sockets
Jeff there is a RUclips of a small Asian girl doing tires . She has a setup that holds her gun close to yhe tyres. 😊 you might need one for that beaver . Lol and we all know you used Mr Griffin magic water to get it spinning. 🤣 😅
Pie are round. Cake are square.
Milwaukee has a nice 1 inch gun now. Think it has 2600 foot pounds.
Jeff I'm convinced that it's either the teachers have no real life work experience today like when we were in school. Or the kids can't read and comprehend today. I'm teaching my boy how to rebuild his own truck engine and we're having a ball. One of his friends said what are you doing. We said taking the engine apart. He said you just get a new truck. My boy said do you want to help me. He said I guess, he gives him the wrench and says turn it to the left to take it off. He was struggling with it and I asked. What direction are you trying to go. He pointed right 😂😂. My boy said you don't know left from right? He said I'm doing it right you are the ones doing it wrong. I gave him the manual to look up the torque specs for a few days later. He said what is that part your wanting 😂😂. Between us he is able to change his tire now and service his own car. But he didn't learn anything from school somehow or his parents. I'm actually concerned about the new generation being able to keep things together after we're done working. Great job on the video Jeff and your correct torque is torque no matter the source it's coming from.
yes, if you ask them how does your cell phone work? they don't know what a "cell" is or any of the technology, there is studies out now studying kids who grew up with a "smart device" in their hand, it's not good, especially for children 5 and under
I think it is fair! If they rate it there it should put out that much!!!
Maybe you had to get that oil circulating to flush out the fish scales
Maybe it's like when you measure horsepower on a truck you lose 20% to the ground if you check horsepower at the flywheel of a diesel motor it is 20% more than horsepower tested at the wheel maybe torque ratings are based on motor for one and at the socket for the other granted there's not as many gears between one spot and the other but maybe that is the situation where they actually measure the torque
With the size of the equipment you have, I'm surprised you don't have a hydraulic impact wrench.
Not nssicary for this fleet
That does it! I'm moving to Blackfoot to attend Paydirt University, learn about real world lessons and pie squared. 😁
It is possible the Ingersol is putting out the rated torque. The Harbor freight could be producing greater than its rated torque. The Ingersol may also only put out its rated torque for a very short time. Torque is torque and. HP is HP but people have calculated HP in so many different ways as to make it useless for comparisons. Maybe it’s the same for torque. No matter what I’m pretty sure this horse if not dead is severely injured.
yes very probable and likely, there's not a standard method of testing and accurate ratings, there all devised by the manufacturer
In line oiler .
Torque is torque !!!
So ya saying electric is all talk were as air is plain and simple torque bro. Never was any good at maths in school but liked your lesson. Safe travels. Ken.
That Vevor impact aint fucking around lol.
Why in the hell didn't you have the Gallion and a sling to hang that gun on ? Even the Pakistanies have them on a spring loaded cart...
I'm just kidding you. Good stuff as always.
The anvil adds inertia I would guess
Torque is a twisting motion it matters not what medium you use
same way I figure it
I'm pretty sure it's pounds per square inch
the volume of air makes a difference too just think if you had a tow behind compressor that runs a jack hammer hooked up to that air gun how much harder it would be hitting
Wrong
If Jeff knew the air pressure at the impact gun, then he'd know if he could be ahead with a diesel compressor and less hose or not. Otherwise the electric compressor has more pressure. At least that's what I've seen with the big air compressors on my projects. I remember having a huge Aggreko 480V compressor that kept going offline when I pushed it to around 130 psi.
10,000 psi is 5 tons per square inch.... 19.625 square inch piston area equals 98.125 tons. See 5 ton equals 100 ton....🤪
I read somewhere that you can't over oil air tools??? the more the better but messy.
That wascally wabco !
45lb impact wrench...better get a :- ruclips.net/user/shortsucsQ2QxTscU
Well Ben, maybe they have a twin boom model. This is rated for 37 pounds.
@richatdlincoln8438 Just mention to Hilti it's the Galion crane exo-skellington version that's required, & it'll work just fine....👌😉🙏
a 500 Hp electric motor is as powerful as a 500 Hp diesel engine. A 501 hp Pneumatic motor should be more powerful than them both. Assuming were not taking the power band rpms into consideration. I agree with you jeff. Which is heavier, 500 lbs of feathers or 500 lbs of steel.
Don't think so Tim😂 to go from a 500 hp electric motor to a diesel you would need 1.3 more power
Power is power but obviously an engine making the same HP at a lower RPM has more torque. For the electric motor to make the same torque, you have to gear it down. Gearing eats power and so you loose efficiency. Same if you have to gear up the diesel. Of course an electric motor is harder to rate. They can slow down and pull huge amps to make much more power than rated. HP = Torque x RPM / 5252.
My 93 Dodge Cummins at 160HP didn't make much power but it had a good amount of torque and so it could still pull trailers well. You just didn't run it over 2000 rpm. Not enough air or fuel.
@@Jpaydirtcareful Jeff. HP is HP you are comparing kw to Hp i.e if you replace a 10 HP engine with an electric motor it needs to be 10 ÷ 1.3 = 7.7 Hp to do the same work. Likewise ekw is not equel to kw to generate 10 ekw you only need a 9.7 kw engine.👍
I think the trouble here is confusing power kw or hp with torque. None of the impact guns state a power rating and I think you will find the pheumatic guns will have much more power then the electric due to a higher power density. The power kw of an air motor is a function of torque and speed at a constant air pressure, the power decreases once RPM increases beyond 50% of idle (motor displacement exceeds available air flow) but can be increased by raising the air pressure.
cdn.emotorsdirect.ca/knowledge-center/replacing-engine-with-electric-motor-hp.pdf I found this interesting reading, it's titled Horsepower is Horsepower.......or is it. lots of factors involved but the more we know LOL thanks for your comment
my biggest gripe with electric tools is no one set a standard for a battery connection so every brand you have to buy batteries for that brand. if these corporations were not so greedy they would just make the tools and let someone else make specialize in the batteries
I'm sorry to bring up a bad deal, but who was that fella who passed on a few years back, loved to pet mr.griff? That video really touched me. Also thinking of old kenny, hope they're both doing just fine.wish everyone the best
Shane
@@Jpaydirt I found it..goddamn what a shame. So many good folks pass on too soon before their time or before you get a chance to say how much they're appreciated. Hope everyone is doing ok.
Jeff, DCV doesn't have much to do with charge status. Amperage is all that matters, thats why you load test batteries to test them.
There is also no such thing as a 20v system, they are all 18v due to the type/number of batteries used, and the way they are sequenced. Its all marketing, its like saying your car is 14v because it charges at 14v.
Those tool batteries should still show roughly 18v even when they are stone dead. If they ever show zero volts they are probably gone forever, and likely to explode due to the nature of lithium batteries. Conversely tjey can show less than 18v and still have enough current to run the tool.
so your saying that lithium can still deliver at lower voltage? I left out some video of why I was checking the batteries, and that was I wanted to see the voltage difference at 50% and 100% unfortunately I didn't have it down that far, I just know it doesn't hit very hard when you get to 50%
@Jpaydirt Just saying voltage doesn't tell you much about current. Putting a multimeter on a DC battery just gives you a rough idea about the state of the battery.
But ya, a full battery gives you the most potential. Theoretically, it shouldn't matter with litium, but in practice, you lose about 5% in the first 3/4. Torque test channel also has a ton of battery tests.
Happy mothers day to Mrs Paydirt
pie are round cornbread are square.
Isn't the difference in what each does in the "electric motors make peak torque at 0 rpm" vs a air impact at full pressure???
I just know the IR said 2,600 and it's not true
My friend you need a vane compressor to power that monster
I don't think CFM is an issue with the compressor he has. He's not running a jackhammer.
It doesn't have a high cfm, but has a large tank, it doesn't drop the pressure very fast, but on tough bolts once it's at 150 it's time to stop and wait, the compressor was free, it came from some Air Force application, has a3/4 horse motor is all, I want to put the old compressor off my service truck and a larger motor on it, but I have all this stuff to fix
Jeff, please stop reading the comments. You have a good following, post and ghost. Just a suggestion to help with your blood pressure.
I kinda enjoy a little tongue in cheek education
you can get portable guns at this power level but they wont be electric they will be gas two stroke
Jeff !! I hate to inform you of this but PIE are Round not Square !!!
jay wins again - math is correct, its trivial
on the gun issue =
i think part of the problem with the gun rating is the marketing guys like to dumb down the gun rating to "torque" but an impact gun is just that... its "IMPACTING" the fastner - not "STATIC" torque at all.
So really the guns should have an ENERGY rating ( energy is equal to say a mass dropping a distance in gravity - the hammer picks up energy and whamo it hits that Wabco bolt.
There is another problem... the system that is transmitting that hit of energy wants to be as close to an "impulse" delivered by non deformable materials as possible. But as Jay has discovered it ain't.... its all elastic from the anvil all the way through the shaft of the bolt right into the threaded section. So there is a difference between a gun/anvil/bolt that is light and flexible vs a gun/anvil/bolt that is heavy and very stiff
So now lets think about how an impact actually removes a bolt - it has to put enough energy into all those parts such that the threaded part actually rotates slightly and does not spring back into the resting position - you have to slightly rotate the very bottom of the bolt thread with each blow from the gun. Otherwise it just relaxes and never actually moves. That undo blow has to fully overcome the mass plus the static friction forces - the trick employed is an impulse of energy not a static force applied like a torque.
So the take away is this - when it comes to IMPACT GUNS - ENERGY and MASS IS KING - you need to deliver lotsa energy and have enough mass and stiffness to transfer that energy to the bottom of the bolt
you want proof that you are not really applying a static torque? Just ask who is supplying the torque? Not the dude holding the gun that is for sure. So lets give up on that. There are super hi torque system that use hydraulics but those require a reaction bar to supply the equal and opposite torque
let the games begin....
I believe everything you said, sometimes if another person grabs the anvil or socket and provides a twisting motion as to remove the kick back, they all of a sudden start to move. the rating in torque for reverse is not accurate and no standardized method is used, there's impacts per min/sec. and motor speed. just wish they had a real method of power measurement that was an industry standard
Reading through these comments it seems possible there are a number of Biden voters in the room.