Quiet quitting had been a struggle for me because I was taught to "do the best" and "be the best" in everything. That resulted in working uncompensated overtime, skipping meals, etc. However, during the heart of the pandemic, when I saw my company do nothing more than call us "heroes", cheer us on for the extra work we were putting in (boy did we put in extra work), and refuse to give us any more than the standard 3 to 4 percent yearly raise, I snapped out of it and finally opened my eyes. I finally realized that doing extra work only benefits my employer and costs me valuable time and money. I now only do the work that I am contractually required to do, nothing more....nothing less. It's not personal, it's just business.
Yep I have been explaining this to my family and friends. We were all taught to do this but its actually brainwashing from society and the corporate machinery.
Organizations love that gullible nice guy/gal mentality and you were easy prey. This whole Quiet Quitting being pushed in the media is to put fear in workers to work more that they're paid for. I would suggest quitting the job fully if they try that as a recent study shows 5 million less baby boomers in the workplace than expected and for the next 10 years 10s of millions them will be quitting which means a long term worker shortage.
Nothing wrong with just doing your job. In your example, if you can make 100k in 40 hrs and 20k on side hustles with the other 10 hrs then more power to ya. Otherwise, I'd love to make another 15k annually. On the flip side, if you are supposed to be doing 40 hrs and you are only purposely doing 20 hrs so you can work 20 hrs for another company and earn two full time salaries then you are the thief and not the employers.
More importantly though this is a very important topic so thank you for bringing this up Frances. This is class warfare between us ( the workers ) and them (those who own capital and the factories). The best thing you can do for your workplace is unionize!
I work at a steel mill. Definitely a rough environment. I’m a machine operator. I’ve been operating machines at my current job for 8 years. At this steel mill , I work at. I work on the most physical production line in the steel mill. There are many production lines in this mill. We are actually producing the steel for the Tesla cyber truck and we make the steel for space x.
Quiet Quitting is a trap. If you quiet quit and others go above and beyond their required work they will get the pay raises, bonuses and advancement. Meanwhile you are at the top of the list to be laid off or fired.
I have been a “quiet quitter” all my working years, that is almost 35 years. I always thought my personal life was also very important. Why would anyone work an extra 5 to 10 hours per week free of charge? Make no mistake, the only person taking advantage of the situation is the boss. My attitude has always been if you want me to work extra hours, then pay me accordingly.
I work in a manufacturing machine shop and was going above and beyond running 3 machines, improving production, took on a lead position, training people and trouble shooting issues. Here i tought i would get a 10% raise My one year review came exceeding expectations but I was told because I got paid more than others it was unfair to give me a decent raise because other people who did the bare minimum but were underpaid didn't earn what I did. I got a 1.5% raise and They also placed me as an average performer because the company wants to be fair to everyone. Since than I stepped down from my lead position and Only run one machine now, sometimes two but i take my time now and do the bare minimum. Watching this while at work.
How is this even considered Quiet Quitting?!?!? LOL. You do your job and go home no more no less. When the boss asks for a $1 and you give a $1. If the boss gives you a $1 but demands $10 you say NO.
Bc when you want to be promoted, these bosses want you to "perform at the next level", so you work hard. Then when merit increases come you get a measley 3% because your boss tells you "it's all part of your job" So the idea of working hard is a lie and manipulation from the boss.
I've taken on a couple of new roles. Not tasks. Roles. Two people quit, one being my manager a project coordinator and an accounting assistant. So I'm now doing so much work I literally dread go to work. The owner of the company doesn't even care he feels like I should just do it and do it with a smile because their company is so special. They are actually the chosen ones disguised as real like demons. I'm so sick of these people. I'm not quiet quitting and actively seeking a new position and when I find one it's to hell with this company.
The problem is, that if you give 120%, you gain almost nothing, BUT if you drop to 80%, I can guarantee you they will notice. I was earning 20% more than my peers, they expected wonders from me all the time, every year. The stress was not worth it. Especially when the 20% more were eaten up by 43% taxes alone. It’s crazy!!!!
Every year my boss asks me to apply for a supervisor position. I keep denying him every year because the increase in pay does not justify the extra work with less availability for me to go on personal vacations. I'm happy where I am and yearly cost of living pay increases and admit that I see what I can get away with by doing middle of the road work.
Quiet quitting is not new at all. We just gave it a name. In fact this makes me think of my favorite comedy movie from the 2000's (Office Space) where the main caracter (Peter) quiet quits: Bob: You see, what we're actually trying to do here is, we're trying to get a feel for how people spend their day at work... so, if you would, would you walk us through a typical day, for you? Peter : Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh - and, uh, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour. Bob: Da-uh? Space out? Peter: Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.
I quite quit wayyy back in about 1st grade. Quietly quit my entire way out of school and didn’t go to college. Now I sit quietly enjoying my years of actual fulfilling work and passions that aren’t driven or owned by anyone but me..
I like how people criticize quiet quitters as being lazy but never thought about employers and big corporations are screwing little guys over that cause them to work no more then they have to. QQs are not lazy, they just value something more than just climbing the corporate ladder
In a previous tech job I used to go above and beyond so I could get a promotion and raise. When my review came up, not only was I not promoted, but my annual bonus was denied. That's when I decided to quiet quit for 6 months as I was looking for new job.
This was super informative and helpful! I'm 24 and have recently received my first annual appraisal/raise and was severely disappointed as the hours and excess work/results I put in this year and the prior were met with high praise in the review, yet my pay went up only 11% (65k to 72k) for a line of work that generally starts off around 90k annually. I certainly put in more than 40hrs a week, even working weekends to complete data entry and other tasks. As you mentioned transitioning up, this will have been my 3rd year and I'm planning to resign before the next work year. Our semi-decent culture took a huge shift this year and leadership is now "consumer crazy" (self-explanatory...). Super happy with my decisions and the experiences of others like yourself to help maintain some semblance of sanity in this shit capitalist storm.
Good stuff! I used to work as a public accountant doing audit. During "busy season" we were expected to work 55 hours/week minimum, which included working saturday's if needed. I was paid a salary so the more hours a worked, theoretically the less I earned/hour. Now a work for a publicly traded company as an accountant. I work hourly. If I calculate my 40 hr/week I get paid more per week than my salary when working at public accounting if I calculated a 40 hour work week. It is better to work hourly if you have to work over 40 hours per week because now I get paid 150% (1.5x) hourly rate for every hour that I work OT. work life balance is important and getting paid more when you work more is important.
So true. In a nutshell, if you're salaried, you want to work the least number of hours possible, because the less hours you work, the more you get paid per hour. Also, the idea that a very efficient white collar worker (especially tech jobs) can work two full time jobs at the same time is genius. Kinda "sticking it to the 'man'", if you know what I mean. Yea, boy!!
Every employee should put in the minimum effort in their tasks and devote the rest of their time socializing and building networks with their colleagues. The goal is build up your connections and quit in 2 - 3 years for a higher paying position. The higher up you go in the corp world, social connections and social awareness matters a lot more than technical skills.
I work a Hourly Job with a Beer Distributor in Texas. I’m the Bottom of the Barrel Merchandiser Employee .. Work a Mon-Friday with Weekends Off. Sounds great!! And at times I stop to think I Have a Great Job.. it all comes down to Management and Supervisors. Been at it for 4 years. I don’t wanna Grow an Ego but I’ve been in my Region for a While now and See everyone Come and Go, I’ll consider myself as a TeamLead. I’ll Basically Orientate Fresh employees and let them shadow me, considering I have one of the busiest Stores in my Area, and by myself, the Stress adds Up, and shoves down Multiple Tasks, I am Over worked with my Deliveries and beyond Burned Out. Coming from the Marine Corps. I was very Motivated within my Working abilities and Ethics. But over time my Body, mind, and Spirit was Crushed with my Job over time.. I still do the Best I can, but it obviously shows in my Work performance, it’s Shot down the past Year. I am wanting to just walk away for Good with my Job and Just Focus on my Health
I always do more than expected at work. I am lucky that I work at a company that saw this and rewarded me. It has been 9 years and my salary is more than double what it was when I started. It does motivate me to do more for the company.
Quiet quitting is bad leadership and management that wants to take advantage of their employees. People that are happy In the workplace dont think about doing this
I work for a large insurance company and with the inflation they only gave 3% max last year and 4% this year saying to us that inflation is. not that bad- while at the same time making the argument to our customers and departments of insurance that they need to raise insurance premiums by 10-15% because of inflation. Unbelievable!
Quiet quitting is for fools. If you get that type of reputation in a large company you will never get past the mail room. I worked at NBC a good part of my work life. I have, of all things, a degree in Geology from Queens College. It was sort of a company joke. I think Frank Field in the News Weather department had a similar degree. Anyway, I started in the mail room and retired at a mid-level management position at 62. The thing is my hard work was noticed and respected by a Vice President named Mister White and he took me into his Finance Department. Today I live easy. I get a pension from GE (bought NBC at that time). NBC matched 1/2 of any money you can save up to 7% so imagine saving 10.5% over 15 or so years, with interest.. Just save your yearly increases. Then you have Social Security and at least 5% interest on the money you saved with NBC/GE's 3 1/2 % and your 7%. You want to Quiet Quit......Go for it. Homelessness can't be that bad, right? Your reputation is more important than gold in many many avenues!
I just work hard no matter where I’m at but I make sure to never over exert myself to the point that leads to burnout. I don’t care if anyone tells me to work harder or produce more, I’m not God I do what I can and focus on that.
I work for a major corporation and a 2% annual raise is pretty much the standard NO MATTER how hard you work and what you contribute. Bonuses are just as bad. There's no real incentive to go above and beyond.
People make like slacking is something new. I've been quiet quitting at jobs I didn't want to be at for years til I found what I really want to work at.
In today's world you can get fired for almost any reason. Say a joke that somebody gets "offended " by and your job might be gone. So with that lack of job security why go above and beyond in the workplace?? There is no reason any more to give your heart and soul to a company that will toss you like a bad poker hand for the dumbest reasons
In october my contract is going to change for 'multi-skill/role'. Which basically means i will be expected to do 2 or more peoples worth of work. FOR THE SAME PAY !!! I used to care and enjoy what i was doing but with the way everything is heading aka maximise work, minimal pay and excessive overtime because of staff cuts i don't really give a shii anymore. Bare minimum is what they will get and i hope when we get busy during christmas they regret this choice of expecting everyone to go above and beyond instead of hiring more staff. All part of the great reset agenda obviously. But it still sucks there isnt anything anyone can do. Everyone is tired of working for less whilst these CEO's and managers get more holiday and pay rises for doing f*ck all.
I tried quite quitting today, and my manager decides to hold all the hourly leaders another 2.5-3 hours extra. No notice given, for meeting pushed out. I'll be writing a letter asking to be demoted. They have no respect for workers personal time.
I’m an entrepreneur. But I do tend to work more than I necessarily need to not for recognition but because I work in a deadline driven industry. They would pay us a stipend and feed us on top of the salary (accounting firm works lol). But I’ve always gotten great raises and bonuses and recognition. When I was a W2 employee- I gave myself a raise by leaving. I’ve also done the thing where I had one 40 hour a week contract and a 20 hour a week W2 job. That lasted 8 months lol. Now I just balance by making sure I spend time with family at night and I don’t work weekends. But for a handful of nights or weekends I will crank it out, I don’t mind doing that.
I have lost so many work friends this year to new companies because they are all getting much better pay just by leaving. If my job and my boss wasn't so chill, I probably would have done the same. Inflation is just out of control and people can barely afford hsouing anymore. It is sad to see they all leave but I dont blame them. Can't or rather dont count on companies to match your salary with inflation even if the HR snakes promise salary review to match the market. Nobody is going to take better care of you than yourself.
Doing the bare minimum is not good for growth. You should challenge yourself when the opportunity is presented so you can learn. The risk is with the Company. You can fail on their dime and reputation. I think there is some mutual benefit there. With that said, we need to be smart about what we spend our actual efforts on.
I think this is why some people will complete all of their tasks, and then work on something else that interests them, like a side hustle. That makes total sense. I'm not going to sit and wait around for my company to give me some interesting work!
They tell you that if you want to be promoted you have to give your best. And at the time you work, others are making sure that they will get them promotion
I’m glad you addressed how some people are more productive. I dislike the @ss-in-seat mentality. I’ve automated tasks that used to take multiple people multiple days. If those individuals were working 50-60 hours/week, and I clocked out at 40, I’d still be working circles around them.
Maybe a little different on the work front because I work for government so they are bound by a different set of rules for raises. But busted my butt for 17 years, went over and above, got employee of the year award, etc. Comes time for a promotion and I’m passed over. That was the beginning of quiet quitting for me. The other big reason is the best employees and the worst employees get the exact same raises, the exact same reviews. Why put in so much effort for so little reward?
I'm working 2 jobs right now, both are as software developer, but one is as a tech lead, so I'm doing more managing grunt work in a big company in the other I'm working on a small software system that is simple, I work 6 hours a day for one of them and like 8 hours for the other, then I just walk for two hours listening to music in my neighborhood park and I unwind, I also watch youtube. Now I'm just starting I have a couple of months doing it.
Worse, if several people are doing more work for free that's one whole job opportunity being lost. So if 4 people worked 25% less the company would have to hire another person to get the same amount of work done. This is why I'm glad I'm still paid hourly in my cyber security job. If/when I want extra hours I can usually get them, otherwise I'm clocked out right at the scheduled time. We got a whole extra 1% added to the almost yearly 3% raise. Meanwhile the company is breaking sales and profit records all over the place. We're doing the work, while the C-Suite and board are getting the money.
In my job, the better i did, thd mord of other peoples wofk was pug on me, while, as fellow workers started to fail, they still were paid the same as me, doing less wofk because the super knew i would do it.
Try quiet quitting at a high demanding well paid career… investment banking, consulting, legal or professional services types roles… you’ll get fired. Quiet quitting only works for certain traditional industries
If you are going to QQ, think about the consequences. You’re in a job interview for your next career move and the interviewer asks you: what was your most significant achievement in your former job? If you are honest, you should answer: well, I fulfilled my job description 100% nothing more, nothing less.
IF a person does their average work load, then a yearly raise of 2% higher than the inflation rate is EXPECTED to be added to my income, despite wether the company made profits or NOT... I didn't cause the loss in profits so its not my problem. I with the company to make money, not slowly cost me money-(raises that are not above cost of living). DO NOT DO EXTRA WORK work without a big raise. The turd that is trying to keep your raise low is getting paid a BONUS PAYCHECK at end of year for every dollar he keeps company expenses down, the smaller OVERHEAD means a bigger fatter BONUS check for him. Almost all bosses will lie and say they dont get paid on saving company money... ESPECIALLY if you are involved with SALES.
As a registered nurse I get a lot of bonuses and time & half after my usual 40 hours. I'm happy with that. My money goes into investments, bills, & Jiu Jitsu.
totally agreed with you because of inflation unexpectedly goes up one work is not enough especially low salary there should be a salary increase when inflation strikes. I love your content it is really todays issue excited to watch your new uploads
One problem with your argument BTB. When you get a raise, you get that raised pay every year going forward. So in your example, say you plan to work for 10 more years. Then you are not making an extra 10% for an extra 25% work. You're making 100% more but paid out over time. A proper way to analyze this situation would be to do a discounted cash flow analysis and then decide if your extra time is worth the discounted cash flow amount. Also, even if you leave, higher pay at your current employer can be leveraged into higher pay in your next job.
One problem with this is that if your employer knows you can work 25% more, they will expect it from then on, and will give you shit for not keeping that up. On top of that, if the company is looking to cut budget the people with the highest pay will be the ones they look at first since it'll save them the most money when fired/laid off
I basically was quite quitting last 8 years since I got my first job. I simply don’t think it’s worth it to put extra time into my work so that I can climb the corporate ladder. For example I spend 25% more time working for a year, but the financial return I get for that year is definitely not 25%. Additionally I have to sacrifice my physical and mental health just for that small pay increase? No thanks. Work smarter > work harder. Now I’m planning to retire within next 2 years with my other income I have been accumulating for the last several years.
I Agree I work for Tesla I work very hard do a lot of Overtime they give out ok raises to the very hard workers who do OT also on time never late, but here’s how you get your worth when you get your review and everything looks great they simply just give you stock in the company with 15% off win win…
"Quiet Quitting" sounds SO much better than "Slacking Off". I think we're treading into dangerous territory. I think a person shows great strength of character and growth when they decide to be excellent in their work even in challenging times. Circumstances at a job can change in a flash. Bad and difficult employees can quit, be transferred or fired. Bad bosses can be get an illness requiring a capable person to step in temporarily. That person could be the person who continued to do their job well. Bad CEO's can be replaced with someone with a better vision for the company. Your work ethic is your brand. Companies reach out to former employees who do excellent work all the time if they have a job opening. Don't choose to be less than you are capable of. Sure, look elsewhere if you're unhappy, but don't do anything to ruin your reputation.
I strongly agree. There are consequences. I'm not saying people have to go 110% everyday. I'm saying you do a good job and there will be consequences as well. If there are budget cuts they're keeping the best workers. If the company goes bankrupt the best workers can more easily get great letters of recommendations. Your boss can get hired at a better job and you can easily ask him for a job. He knows your work ethic. Like you said, I don't want to say you have to over work yourself but be careful because this essentially means the same thing. It's like now there was an article on people using buy now, pay later to buy groceries. This is debt, still. There are consequences.
Its unfortunate, but you are correct - with rare exceptions putting in 50+ hours a week for a salaried employee shows a lack of awareness I think your talk of the dedicated employee getting 10 or 15 percent is optimistic It seems that the average worker gets 5 percent and the best worker gets 7 percent (its almost always about the rate of inflation as a max) The motivated worker is still putting in 50-60 hours a week on their career but only 40 of those are at their current job. It used to be that putting those extra hours in at the office moved you up the career ladder Your employer would pay for training and allow you to take job specific training on company time. Staying with a company for decades wasn't uncommon. These days, there is no internal career path - staying with a company for more that 4 years is career limiting You need to put in those extra hours to have the skills desired in your next job or on some sort of side hustle. The average employer will get rid of you in a minute if you have been loyal to the company and doing unpaid overtime but haven't kept your skillset current. The quiet quitter who spent the extra time on new skills will always have options
It's been tough for me. My job pays pretty under market (20ish %) but it's basically recession proof and I basically can't get fired. On the other hand during the pandemic I was salary and was working 12-16 hour days usually. I only got one pay bump (3%) in 5 years working there. I've tried to get other positions and have come really close but I keep getting deselected towards the end of the process. I have another manager/performance review coming in October. Hopefully I can negotiate better terms or "quite quitting" for me it will be.
Corinne Maier wrote a book 2005 about doing as little as possible at work. Bonjour Paresse. Quite controversial at that time. At least in Europe. But seems she was ahead of time.
I think this is interesting, how do you handle it mentally? I am spending so much of my time at work, how can I not try to do my best without it feeling like I am wasting the majority of my time being mediocre. I don't like the stress either, but how do you slow done like that?
@@BeatTheBush If all the quiet quitters are competing to get out of the bottom, they might end up being the top performers. :) Anyways, I think the quiet quitters are just wasting their time. They are not going to get raise, promotions, and will likely be feel left out even if they are not fired. Now, if they are trying to transition into something else while quiet quitting, then it might be justified.
Smart workers are pushing not so smart workers into quiet quiting to give them a leg up on the compatition. Nothing wrong with just doing the bare minimum but dont be mad when the other person gets the promtions. Its all about the money baby!!
Quiet quitting had been a struggle for me because I was taught to "do the best" and "be the best" in everything. That resulted in working uncompensated overtime, skipping meals, etc. However, during the heart of the pandemic, when I saw my company do nothing more than call us "heroes", cheer us on for the extra work we were putting in (boy did we put in extra work), and refuse to give us any more than the standard 3 to 4 percent yearly raise, I snapped out of it and finally opened my eyes. I finally realized that doing extra work only benefits my employer and costs me valuable time and money. I now only do the work that I am contractually required to do, nothing more....nothing less. It's not personal, it's just business.
Yep I have been explaining this to my family and friends. We were all taught to do this but its actually brainwashing from society and the corporate machinery.
Organizations love that gullible nice guy/gal mentality and you were easy prey. This whole Quiet Quitting being pushed in the media is to put fear in workers to work more that they're paid for. I would suggest quitting the job fully if they try that as a recent study shows 5 million less baby boomers in the workplace than expected and for the next 10 years 10s of millions them will be quitting which means a long term worker shortage.
Nothing wrong with just doing your job. In your example, if you can make 100k in 40 hrs and 20k on side hustles with the other 10 hrs then more power to ya. Otherwise, I'd love to make another 15k annually.
On the flip side, if you are supposed to be doing 40 hrs and you are only purposely doing 20 hrs so you can work 20 hrs for another company and earn two full time salaries then you are the thief and not the employers.
Most of us have. Now it’s time to pretend like we are and collect those checks lol
They pretend to pay, i pretend to work.
The last time I went above and beyond I got laid off 😂 lesson learned
More importantly though this is a very important topic so thank you for bringing this up Frances. This is class warfare between us ( the workers ) and them (those who own capital and the factories). The best thing you can do for your workplace is unionize!
100% agreed. I do what is required and nothing more and spend extra hours on my side hussles. Why would I give away extra labour for free?
Any other thinking is charity.
I work at a steel mill. Definitely a rough environment. I’m a machine operator. I’ve been operating machines at my current job for 8 years. At this steel mill , I work at. I work on the most physical production line in the steel mill. There are many production lines in this mill. We are actually producing the steel for the Tesla cyber truck and we make the steel for space x.
We ran a master coil for teslas cybertruck last month
It’s basically just a test coil
Quiet Quitting is a trap. If you quiet quit and others go above and beyond their required work they will get the pay raises, bonuses and advancement. Meanwhile you are at the top of the list to be laid off or fired.
I have been a “quiet quitter” all my working years, that is almost 35 years. I always thought my personal life was also very important. Why would anyone work an extra 5 to 10 hours per week free of charge? Make no mistake, the only person taking advantage of the situation is the boss. My attitude has always been if you want me to work extra hours, then pay me accordingly.
I was that idiot who did more than expected. I learned and wised up. Only doing what I was paid to do now.
Yup. The harder you work the worse you get treated.
I work in a manufacturing machine shop and was going above and beyond running 3 machines, improving production, took on a lead position, training people and trouble shooting issues. Here i tought i would get a 10% raise My one year review came exceeding expectations but I was told because I got paid more than others it was unfair to give me a decent raise because other people who did the bare minimum but were underpaid didn't earn what I did. I got a 1.5% raise and They also placed me as an average performer because the company wants to be fair to everyone. Since than I stepped down from my lead position and
Only run one machine now, sometimes two but i take my time now and do the bare minimum. Watching this while at work.
How is this even considered Quiet Quitting?!?!? LOL. You do your job and go home no more no less. When the boss asks for a $1 and you give a $1. If the boss gives you a $1 but demands $10 you say NO.
Bc when you want to be promoted, these bosses want you to "perform at the next level", so you work hard.
Then when merit increases come you get a measley 3% because your boss tells you "it's all part of your job"
So the idea of working hard is a lie and manipulation from the boss.
Companies quiet promote people too, where they have more duties and responsibilities without a higher pay or title.
lol
My joh is basically set up to "quiet quit." I have eight hours to do basically two hours of work every day.
I've taken on a couple of new roles. Not tasks. Roles. Two people quit, one being my manager a project coordinator and an accounting assistant. So I'm now doing so much work I literally dread go to work. The owner of the company doesn't even care he feels like I should just do it and do it with a smile because their company is so special. They are actually the chosen ones disguised as real like demons. I'm so sick of these people. I'm not quiet quitting and actively seeking a new position and when I find one it's to hell with this company.
I have heard this called “acting your wage”. Quiet quitting is just CEO tears because they can’t squeeze their employees for free labor anymore.
The problem is, that if you give 120%, you gain almost nothing, BUT if you drop to 80%, I can guarantee you they will notice.
I was earning 20% more than my peers, they expected wonders from me all the time, every year.
The stress was not worth it. Especially when the 20% more were eaten up by 43% taxes alone.
It’s crazy!!!!
So I been quiet quitting my whole life 😂 I never do anything extra unless I’m paid for it
So another colloquial term for quiet quitting is “setting your boundaries.” 👍🏻
Every year my boss asks me to apply for a supervisor position. I keep denying him every year because the increase in pay does not justify the extra work with less availability for me to go on personal vacations. I'm happy where I am and yearly cost of living pay increases and admit that I see what I can get away with by doing middle of the road work.
Quiet quitting is not new at all. We just gave it a name. In fact this makes me think of my favorite comedy movie from the 2000's (Office Space) where the main caracter (Peter) quiet quits:
Bob: You see, what we're actually trying to do here is, we're trying to get a feel for how people spend their day at work... so, if you would, would you walk us through a typical day, for you?
Peter : Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh - and, uh, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour.
Bob: Da-uh? Space out?
Peter: Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.
🤣🤣🤣
I quite quit wayyy back in about 1st grade. Quietly quit my entire way out of school and didn’t go to college. Now I sit quietly enjoying my years of actual fulfilling work and passions that aren’t driven or owned by anyone but me..
I like how people criticize quiet quitters as being lazy but never thought about employers and big corporations are screwing little guys over that cause them to work no more then they have to. QQs are not lazy, they just value something more than just climbing the corporate ladder
Exactly!
In a previous tech job I used to go above and beyond so I could get a promotion and raise. When my review came up, not only was I not promoted, but my annual bonus was denied. That's when I decided to quiet quit for 6 months as I was looking for new job.
Glad someone is making a video on this topic. Keep it up BTB!
This was super informative and helpful! I'm 24 and have recently received my first annual appraisal/raise and was severely disappointed as the hours and excess work/results I put in this year and the prior were met with high praise in the review, yet my pay went up only 11% (65k to 72k) for a line of work that generally starts off around 90k annually. I certainly put in more than 40hrs a week, even working weekends to complete data entry and other tasks. As you mentioned transitioning up, this will have been my 3rd year and I'm planning to resign before the next work year. Our semi-decent culture took a huge shift this year and leadership is now "consumer crazy" (self-explanatory...). Super happy with my decisions and the experiences of others like yourself to help maintain some semblance of sanity in this shit capitalist storm.
Quiet quitting is an interesting concept and such a misnomer as it has nothing to do with quitting. Thanks for the clarification.
Good stuff!
I used to work as a public accountant doing audit. During "busy season" we were expected to work 55 hours/week minimum, which included working saturday's if needed. I was paid a salary so the more hours a worked, theoretically the less I earned/hour.
Now a work for a publicly traded company as an accountant. I work hourly. If I calculate my 40 hr/week I get paid more per week than my salary when working at public accounting if I calculated a 40 hour work week. It is better to work hourly if you have to work over 40 hours per week because now I get paid 150% (1.5x) hourly rate for every hour that I work OT.
work life balance is important and getting paid more when you work more is important.
Bro has been quiet quitting his RUclips channel for a while now. 😂
ROFL!!! 🤣
I love his channel. He does good research and makes intelligent comments.
So true. In a nutshell, if you're salaried, you want to work the least number of hours possible, because the less hours you work, the more you get paid per hour. Also, the idea that a very efficient white collar worker (especially tech jobs) can work two full time jobs at the same time is genius. Kinda "sticking it to the 'man'", if you know what I mean. Yea, boy!!
Every employee should put in the minimum effort in their tasks and devote the rest of their time socializing and building networks with their colleagues. The goal is build up your connections and quit in 2 - 3 years for a higher paying position. The higher up you go in the corp world, social connections and social awareness matters a lot more than technical skills.
I work a Hourly Job with a Beer Distributor in Texas.
I’m the Bottom of the Barrel Merchandiser Employee ..
Work a Mon-Friday with Weekends Off.
Sounds great!!
And at times I stop to think I Have a Great Job.. it all comes down to Management and Supervisors. Been at it for 4 years. I don’t wanna Grow an Ego but I’ve been in my Region for a While now and See everyone Come and Go, I’ll consider myself as a TeamLead.
I’ll Basically Orientate Fresh employees and let them shadow me, considering I have one of the busiest Stores in my Area, and by myself, the Stress adds Up, and shoves down Multiple Tasks, I am Over worked with my Deliveries and beyond Burned Out. Coming from the Marine Corps. I was very Motivated within my Working abilities and Ethics. But over time my Body, mind, and Spirit was Crushed with my Job over time..
I still do the Best I can, but it obviously shows in my Work performance, it’s Shot down the past Year. I am wanting to just walk away for Good with my Job and Just Focus on my Health
I always do more than expected at work. I am lucky that I work at a company that saw this and rewarded me. It has been 9 years and my salary is more than double what it was when I started. It does motivate me to do more for the company.
Quiet quitting is bad leadership and management that wants to take advantage of their employees. People that are happy In the workplace dont think about doing this
People are just making up terms for stuff people have been doing to decades. ex: every worker at the DMV.
Meanwhile every year companies cut more from employees but reward lazy upper management. Those that are quiet quitting keep up the good work!
You see record profits at some companies but they're STILL cutting benefits pointing to the tough economic situation.
I work for a large insurance company and with the inflation they only gave 3% max last year and 4% this year saying to us that inflation is. not that bad- while at the same time making the argument to our customers and departments of insurance that they need to raise insurance premiums by 10-15% because of inflation. Unbelievable!
Quiet quitting is for fools. If you get that type of reputation in a large company you will never get past the mail room. I worked at NBC a good part of my work life. I have, of all things, a degree in Geology from Queens College. It was sort of a company joke. I think Frank Field in the News Weather department had a similar degree. Anyway, I started in the mail room and retired at a mid-level management position at 62. The thing is my hard work was noticed and respected by a Vice President named Mister White and he took me into his Finance Department. Today I live easy. I get a pension from GE (bought NBC at that time). NBC matched 1/2 of any money you can save up to 7% so imagine saving 10.5% over 15 or so years, with interest.. Just save your yearly increases. Then you have Social Security and at least 5% interest on the money you saved with NBC/GE's 3 1/2 % and your 7%. You want to Quiet Quit......Go for it. Homelessness can't be that bad, right? Your reputation is more important than gold in many many avenues!
Hey! We’ve missed you. Great to have you back.
I just work hard no matter where I’m at but I make sure to never over exert myself to the point that leads to burnout. I don’t care if anyone tells me to work harder or produce more, I’m not God I do what I can and focus on that.
Unfortunately certain work cultures, like South Korea, it's impossible to quiet quit
I work for a major corporation and a 2% annual raise is pretty much the standard NO MATTER how hard you work and what you contribute. Bonuses are just as bad. There's no real incentive to go above and beyond.
Beat TheBush, nice to seeing you in a good spirit this morning👍🙏
People make like slacking is something new. I've been quiet quitting at jobs I didn't want to be at for years til I found what I really want to work at.
Great points all around, Francis! I've missed watching your videos. Hope you're doing well. :)
I'm doing well! I ummm... sort of gave myself a long vacation. I'll add some updates at the end of a video next time if anyone is interested.
Your opinion is valid. I agree 100% there is nothing FREE in America!
In today's world you can get fired for almost any reason. Say a joke that somebody gets "offended " by and your job might be gone. So with that lack of job security why go above and beyond in the workplace?? There is no reason any more to give your heart and soul to a company that will toss you like a bad poker hand for the dumbest reasons
It is their job to give you a false sense of security because that makes people work better.
In october my contract is going to change for 'multi-skill/role'. Which basically means i will be expected to do 2 or more peoples worth of work. FOR THE SAME PAY !!!
I used to care and enjoy what i was doing but with the way everything is heading aka maximise work, minimal pay and excessive overtime because of staff cuts i don't really give a shii anymore. Bare minimum is what they will get and i hope when we get busy during christmas they regret this choice of expecting everyone to go above and beyond instead of hiring more staff.
All part of the great reset agenda obviously. But it still sucks there isnt anything anyone can do. Everyone is tired of working for less whilst these CEO's and managers get more holiday and pay rises for doing f*ck all.
I tried quite quitting today, and my manager decides to hold all the hourly leaders another 2.5-3 hours extra. No notice given, for meeting pushed out. I'll be writing a letter asking to be demoted. They have no respect for workers personal time.
As employees resign, bosses distribute work to other employees until they fill the position which hardly happens.
I’m an entrepreneur. But I do tend to work more than I necessarily need to not for recognition but because I work in a deadline driven industry. They would pay us a stipend and feed us on top of the salary (accounting firm works lol). But I’ve always gotten great raises and bonuses and recognition. When I was a W2 employee- I gave myself a raise by leaving.
I’ve also done the thing where I had one 40 hour a week contract and a 20 hour a week W2 job. That lasted 8 months lol.
Now I just balance by making sure I spend time with family at night and I don’t work weekends. But for a handful of nights or weekends I will crank it out, I don’t mind doing that.
Employers do everything they can to squeeze the worker dry. But cry fowl when the worker takes the same approach.
Very smart method. 5:46 that's the trick to live your life.
I have lost so many work friends this year to new companies because they are all getting much better pay just by leaving. If my job and my boss wasn't so chill, I probably would have done the same. Inflation is just out of control and people can barely afford hsouing anymore. It is sad to see they all leave but I dont blame them. Can't or rather dont count on companies to match your salary with inflation even if the HR snakes promise salary review to match the market. Nobody is going to take better care of you than yourself.
Doing the bare minimum is not good for growth. You should challenge yourself when the opportunity is presented so you can learn. The risk is with the Company. You can fail on their dime and reputation. I think there is some mutual benefit there. With that said, we need to be smart about what we spend our actual efforts on.
I think this is why some people will complete all of their tasks, and then work on something else that interests them, like a side hustle. That makes total sense. I'm not going to sit and wait around for my company to give me some interesting work!
I don't owe any company or organization my life, just the hours that I'm paid for.
10% for over-achieving? Not in my industry, 5-9%. Totally not worth the time away from family and health focused activity
Employees work just enough so they don't get fired, employer pays you just enough so you don't quit.
They tell you that if you want to be promoted you have to give your best. And at the time you work, others are making sure that they will get them promotion
Yea I only did like 3 hours of work today and played games the rest of the day. I should a side hustle instead
I’m glad you addressed how some people are more productive. I dislike the @ss-in-seat mentality. I’ve automated tasks that used to take multiple people multiple days. If those individuals were working 50-60 hours/week, and I clocked out at 40, I’d still be working circles around them.
Maybe a little different on the work front because I work for government so they are bound by a different set of rules for raises. But busted my butt for 17 years, went over and above, got employee of the year award, etc. Comes time for a promotion and I’m passed over. That was the beginning of quiet quitting for me. The other big reason is the best employees and the worst employees get the exact same raises, the exact same reviews. Why put in so much effort for so little reward?
I'm working 2 jobs right now, both are as software developer, but one is as a tech lead, so I'm doing more managing grunt work in a big company in the other I'm working on a small software system that is simple, I work 6 hours a day for one of them and like 8 hours for the other, then I just walk for two hours listening to music in my neighborhood park and I unwind, I also watch youtube.
Now I'm just starting I have a couple of months doing it.
It's awesome you can pull two jobs off together! Keep it up!
I have heard of a programmer that outsourced his job to India
Wasn’t this originally called “Always do the least you can do “?
Worse, if several people are doing more work for free that's one whole job opportunity being lost.
So if 4 people worked 25% less the company would have to hire another person to get the same amount of work done.
This is why I'm glad I'm still paid hourly in my cyber security job. If/when I want extra hours I can usually get them, otherwise I'm clocked out right at the scheduled time.
We got a whole extra 1% added to the almost yearly 3% raise. Meanwhile the company is breaking sales and profit records all over the place. We're doing the work, while the C-Suite and board are getting the money.
God my job has been throwing mandatory OT on me since I got back from vacation. I despise it. I only do my job because they pay me.
We used to call that worker a slacker.
People who quiet quit are more likely to be laid off... at the next recession... which is coming soon.
Can u please do an updated house tour and more cooking videos
In my job, the better i did, thd mord of other peoples wofk was pug on me, while, as fellow workers started to fail, they still were paid the same as me, doing less wofk because the super knew i would do it.
Try quiet quitting at a high demanding well paid career… investment banking, consulting, legal or professional services types roles… you’ll get fired. Quiet quitting only works for certain traditional industries
if people were paid as well as those professions, they probably wouldn't quiet quit
@@sp123 good pt
haha i like the exit music. kinda sounds like a 4-5-3-6 progression (but maybe not exactly)
siilar to 'never gonna give u up' lol
If you are going to QQ, think about the consequences. You’re in a job interview for your next career move and the interviewer asks you: what was your most significant achievement in your former job? If you are honest, you should answer: well, I fulfilled my job description 100% nothing more, nothing less.
Usually job descriptions sound more ambitious. Not lying but dressing it a bit goes a long way.
IF a person does their average work load, then a yearly raise of 2% higher than the inflation rate is EXPECTED to be added to my income, despite wether the company made profits or NOT... I didn't cause the loss in profits so its not my problem. I with the company to make money, not slowly cost me money-(raises that are not above cost of living). DO NOT DO EXTRA WORK work without a big raise. The turd that is trying to keep your raise low is getting paid a BONUS PAYCHECK at end of year for every dollar he keeps company expenses down, the smaller OVERHEAD means a bigger fatter BONUS check for him. Almost all bosses will lie and say they dont get paid on saving company money... ESPECIALLY if you are involved with SALES.
I love the honey badger
Thanks to smart phones, most current employees are next to useless already.
As a registered nurse I get a lot of bonuses and time & half after my usual 40 hours. I'm happy with that. My money goes into investments, bills, & Jiu Jitsu.
I have a friend works in tech and he has 3 remote jobs at the same time!!!
totally agreed with you because of inflation unexpectedly goes up one work is not enough especially low salary there should be a salary increase when inflation strikes. I love your content it is really todays issue excited to watch your new uploads
If you want a promotion or to be noticed, you need to hustle.
40 hr/wk is all that is needed if you are efficient.
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One problem with your argument BTB. When you get a raise, you get that raised pay every year going forward. So in your example, say you plan to work for 10 more years. Then you are not making an extra 10% for an extra 25% work. You're making 100% more but paid out over time. A proper way to analyze this situation would be to do a discounted cash flow analysis and then decide if your extra time is worth the discounted cash flow amount.
Also, even if you leave, higher pay at your current employer can be leveraged into higher pay in your next job.
One problem with this is that if your employer knows you can work 25% more, they will expect it from then on, and will give you shit for not keeping that up.
On top of that, if the company is looking to cut budget the people with the highest pay will be the ones they look at first since it'll save them the most money when fired/laid off
Is quiet quitting still alive?!
I basically was quite quitting last 8 years since I got my first job. I simply don’t think it’s worth it to put extra time into my work so that I can climb the corporate ladder. For example I spend 25% more time working for a year, but the financial return I get for that year is definitely not 25%. Additionally I have to sacrifice my physical and mental health just for that small pay increase? No thanks. Work smarter > work harder. Now I’m planning to retire within next 2 years with my other income I have been accumulating for the last several years.
Definitely get paid for your extra hard work though instead of shorting your ability
This should be the norm. Do what you are paid for on your job description and go home when your time is up.
Can I ask where you got this badger TShirt?
It’s my channel t-shirt, there’s a link I. The video description or channel about page where you can get one.
I Agree I work for Tesla I work very hard do a lot of Overtime they give out ok raises to the very hard workers who do OT also on time never late, but here’s how you get your worth when you get your review and everything looks great they simply just give you stock in the company with 15% off win win…
If you get equity tied to performance of the company then it's worth it.
❤ Tesla, keep fighting the good fight. 🌎 🌲
"Quiet Quitting" sounds SO much better than "Slacking Off". I think we're treading into dangerous territory. I think a person shows great strength of character and growth when they decide to be excellent in their work even in challenging times. Circumstances at a job can change in a flash. Bad and difficult employees can quit, be transferred or fired. Bad bosses can be get an illness requiring a capable person to step in temporarily. That person could be the person who continued to do their job well. Bad CEO's can be replaced with someone with a better vision for the company.
Your work ethic is your brand. Companies reach out to former employees who do excellent work all the time if they have a job opening. Don't choose to be less than you are capable of. Sure, look elsewhere if you're unhappy, but don't do anything to ruin your reputation.
I strongly agree. There are consequences. I'm not saying people have to go 110% everyday. I'm saying you do a good job and there will be consequences as well. If there are budget cuts they're keeping the best workers. If the company goes bankrupt the best workers can more easily get great letters of recommendations. Your boss can get hired at a better job and you can easily ask him for a job. He knows your work ethic. Like you said, I don't want to say you have to over work yourself but be careful because this essentially means the same thing.
It's like now there was an article on people using buy now, pay later to buy groceries. This is debt, still. There are consequences.
this is just a thing in America in europe people only work 8h and might read work email at home. or prep a presentation.
as for the definition at the beginning, isn’t that what you’re supposed to do anyways????
Yep. That’s why this phrase is so polarizing.
Its unfortunate, but you are correct - with rare exceptions putting in 50+ hours a week for a salaried employee shows a lack of awareness
I think your talk of the dedicated employee getting 10 or 15 percent is optimistic
It seems that the average worker gets 5 percent and the best worker gets 7 percent (its almost always about the rate of inflation as a max)
The motivated worker is still putting in 50-60 hours a week on their career but only 40 of those are at their current job.
It used to be that putting those extra hours in at the office moved you up the career ladder
Your employer would pay for training and allow you to take job specific training on company time.
Staying with a company for decades wasn't uncommon.
These days, there is no internal career path - staying with a company for more that 4 years is career limiting
You need to put in those extra hours to have the skills desired in your next job or on some sort of side hustle.
The average employer will get rid of you in a minute if you have been loyal to the company and doing unpaid overtime but haven't kept your skillset current.
The quiet quitter who spent the extra time on new skills will always have options
It's been tough for me. My job pays pretty under market (20ish %) but it's basically recession proof and I basically can't get fired. On the other hand during the pandemic I was salary and was working 12-16 hour days usually. I only got one pay bump (3%) in 5 years working there. I've tried to get other positions and have come really close but I keep getting deselected towards the end of the process. I have another manager/performance review coming in October. Hopefully I can negotiate better terms or "quite quitting" for me it will be.
Corinne Maier wrote a book 2005 about doing as little as possible at work. Bonjour Paresse. Quite controversial at that time. At least in Europe. But seems she was ahead of time.
they are not going to get a 15% raise. Max like 5%. the new norm is a ridiculous 2%.
Agree. Most people would actually work harder for a 15% rise.
Big like bro, well informative vid
I think this is interesting, how do you handle it mentally? I am spending so much of my time at work, how can I not try to do my best without it feeling like I am wasting the majority of my time being mediocre. I don't like the stress either, but how do you slow done like that?
Yep, mass layoff is coming to those 20% quiet quitting. Just find a boss who appreciates you if you don't like what you have.
Quiet quit but don't be the bottom 20%. Be in the top 40% (slightly above average). Its so very easy to be average.
@@BeatTheBush
If all the quiet quitters are competing to get out of the bottom, they might end up being the top performers. :)
Anyways, I think the quiet quitters are just wasting their time. They are not going to get raise, promotions, and will likely be feel left out even if they are not fired. Now, if they are trying to transition into something else while quiet quitting, then it might be justified.
Smart workers are pushing not so smart workers into quiet quiting to give them a leg up on the compatition. Nothing wrong with just doing the bare minimum but dont be mad when the other person gets the promtions. Its all about the money baby!!
I have quiet quit for 20plus years. Nothing wrong with that.
Government employees has been doing this for decades.
Can you bring back the Lego workers? This may help make your point.