Sam Dyson. Doesn't mention how he ended the rangers season in game 5 by blowing a lead. Instead says how Jose was disrespectful. Smh. People who think bat flips are bad or ppl should be plunked bc they bat flip are immature
Do you not understand baseball? The unwritten rules are just a big a part of the game, as the regular rules. Your opinion doesn't matter! if you disrespect a pitcher expect to get hit, that's all there is to it. If you do not want to get plunked, then be respectful to the game
Aaron Wehrle and that’s why baseball rating are trash, because of ppl that think like you! In Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Cuba and Venezuela! They play baseball with passion! Which includes a pitcher striking out a HR hitter and celebrating like crazy! Or the Hitter doing a Bat Flip! Don’t come with the oh baseball was invented in USA, because the baseball classic has been around for over a decade and USA has only won once and having the best team! Plus the highest TV ratings were coming from DR and PR and Japan!
Bat Flip: Hurts the pitcher's delicate feelings for a few minutes. Throwing at a Hitter: Could cause injury, potentially even career-threatening. I really don't see how this is a debate.
@Dawson Brown What's your view on bat flips then? "Respect the game and show zero emotion while trotting around the bases"? Ins't that a sad and tired position as well?
Pitching example, There is a difference between a fist pump and Throwing your Glove. If I was to strike out someone and then throw my glove 30 feet in the air, Everyone would agree that is ridiculous unless you just finished a no hitter or won the world series. FYI anacceptable Bat flip stays in or around the box. You also must be moving towards first. Watching without so much as taking a step to first... you are getting drilled. Rules of the Game my friend. I like bat flips within reason. Just don't huck lumber across the field. This game is also about respect and you can respectfully bat flip or you can be an ass and toss it like frisbee.
@@rymaal And this is my exact point. You think preserving the precious, delicate emotions of the pitcher is more important than the hitter exhibiting any sort of emotion after having success in an athletic COMPETITION. This "Old Ball Game" mentality needs to die. Celebrating an achievement is the DEFINITION of "respecting the sport", because they know how difficult their path to that moment was. If the pitcher wants to jump up and down or throw his glove after a strikeout...Cool. Let him do that. He won the battle and deserves to do that. The same opportunity should be awarded to the batter without childish repercussion.
Exactly! This seems to be an extremely one-sided argument! It seems like all these "purists" are ok with pitchers gloating but are against it when a hitter starts gloating! I don't understand it.
If you are butthurt by the pitcher pumping his fist after a strikeout, get even the way it always has been done...take that dude deep next time you face him. You are disrespecting the pitcher when you throw your bat like a javelin. Tim Anderson is a freaking crybaby...if you want to show off, you gotta pay the price. He did not get hit in the head or even in the upper body, he got hit right square on the ass.
@@brianeleighton and if you go deep on a pitcher he should strike you out not hit you and give up a free bag. It is a two way street pitchers can fist pump hitters can bat flip simple.
There is a difference between a fist pump and Throwing your Glove. If I was to strike out someone and then throw my glove 30 feet in the air, Everyone would agree that is ridiculous. FYI and acceptable Bat flip stays in or around the box. You also must be moving towards first. Watching without so much as taking a step to first... you are getting drilled. Rules of the Game my friend.
If I were a manager, and if these pitchers always bean after a bat flip, I’d ask every player to do a bat flip every time they have an at bat (strikeout, walk, homer, whatever). The on base percentage would be amazing!
marcus nunes pitchers should throw their glove in the sky, point at their dug out and jump up and down after each strike out. Nah, that’s lame AF. And so are some of the bat flips. The ones that are, get plunked. Seems like a fair deal to me.
@@dwdorris3048 hang on. I grew up a pitcher. I coached college. And never in my life have I understood how pimping a HR is the equivalent to getting beaned. That's like me winning a spelling bee, and because I beat the other guy, the next game he gets to punch me in the face. Tell me how that makes any sense?
@@dwdorris3048 So its a fair deal that when I celebrate I could possibly have my career ended the next time up? You're delusional. Baseball is literally the only sport where celebrating after you score is against the "rules". That is just stupidity at its finest and goes against what sports are about. Baseball culture is asinine. So the batter throws his bat after he takes you yard, get the hell over it. Next time throw a better pitch instead of launching a projectile at him with intent to injure.
Dingers and bat flips... Strike outs and fist pumps... Bottom line, baseball needs emotion to survive. I'm cool with both. If you're gonna fist pump striking out my teammate, don't be mad when I flip my bat going yard on you. And vice versa.
There is a difference between a fist pump and Throwing your Glove. If I was to strike out someone and then throw my glove 30 feet in the air, Everyone would agree that is ridiculous. FYI and acceptable Bat flip stays in or around the box. You also must be moving towards first. Watching without so much as taking a step to first... you are getting drilled. Rules of the Game my friend.
@@theunpopularopinionatedten4951 how if one different then the other? It's not like the batter looks dead at the pitcher and flips the bat and like a F U moment
@@Darkclouds666. Use tech to know what pitch is coming? Use an illegal bat? Take an illegal substance? Try to hurt somebody? Have you ever watched baseball?
@@Darkclouds666. Do things like charging bases cleats first, try to take out the basemen while running, spit at the catcher while up at the plate, kick dirt at the catcher, stuff like that.
@Dawson Brown thats why that unwritten rule should not be a thing. Dont get mad at the batter just cuz u threw a pitch he could crush. Be mad at urself.
@@batonrougehistoryclass5194 lol stop talking…the NFL is the same way…if you get up in someone’s face you get a “unsportsmanlike conduct” penalty. Basketball if you dunk on someone and even look at him it’s a foul…this is in sports and your 9 yr old should respect the other team…period. If you don’t believe so life will come right at you when 20 other parents think differently and that’s Derosa’s entire point…you need to get the entire league on this bc this is how the game has been “policed” for years
@@Kaibat1205 As an insanely competitive person I understand getting angry if someone hits a Homer off of you because it puts your team in a position to lose. However, To the side that you are gonna intentionally hit someone with something at over a 100 miles per hour is a bit childish.
Basically it boils down to “well if my veterans thought it was right to bean people for disresxtinf them, then I should be validated in continuing the toxicity of trying to hurt people for hurting my feelings Too”
I agree, but there's a fine line between passion and having respect for "the game". Baseball's the most traditional game we have in America! If you don't like it don't watch, ya know?
You say that its okay for a pitcher to hit a hitter for the consequences, but how do hitters bring 'consequences' to the pitcher? They can't. So already, you take the hardest thing to do in sports, hitting a baseball, and give the pitcher another advantage because they are 'upset'. No one wants to see a 1-0 game. The pitcher already has too many things going for them. Let the hitters take ownership for once. Also- you say you dont want your 9 year old to bat flip, how about your 9 year old drilling someone? That is far worse than a bat flip.
@@peteisspidey4451 every real die hard baseball fan appreciates a 1-0 game. It's these younger add riddled kids that can't sit still for 5 seconds that think that kind of game is boring. And to those saying hitters can't do anything back for getting drilled....yes you can. I've done this a few times in my career. Focus in on that first pitch next time up and hit a line drive right back at the mound. That'll get the pitchers attention.
@@acehigh79 Or we could avoid the whole, we need to injure each other because he "disrespected" me thing because it is petulant and childish. Yes, conservative American culture is to be petulant and childish snd throw a fit all the time because they take everything personally. So in order to protect themselves from their own truth they need to project their insecurities onto the other side. This is why people from other educated countries think we're stupid and childish. It's because we are.
I dont understand why these old-heads see celebration as disrespectful. Go watch the KBO where people bat flip singles! There's no disrespect in that, just people having fun and enjoying the game, as it should be. People need to release their death-grip of the old baseball. These unwritten rules are nothing more than romanticization of eye-for-eye style revenge mentalities.
To be fair, KBO I believe don’t have bat boys equivalents so they kinda have to flip it to their dugouts lol, or they’d rather make their bat boys lives a little easier
Tyler Reddick there’s a time and place for it. If it’s your first homer in the big leagues celebrate. If you just broke a record, celebrate. If you walk off in a playoff game or World Series, absolutely celebrate. But if it’s just another homer, then there’s no point. 2nd inning?? There’s no momentum built. They lost that game anyways. Also, pitchers don’t celebrate after a pointless strikeout. If you strikeout the side, celebrate, if you’re in a jam, bases loaded & need a big strikeout, sure fistpump. And again if it’s a big game and the strikeout is game changing, then I’m all for it. The consequence is something that’s been in baseball for years though. Don’t wanna get beaned for hitting that pointless homer? Then don’t batflip over the pointless homer.
UltimatexInstinct Celebrations in soccer, football, hockey, they all come no matter if it’s just another point or if it’s special. I get the respect argument, baseball is a gentleman’s sport, but disrespect is doing it to rile up the other team. He’s not doing that. He’s looking at his own dugout, throwing the bat towards his own dugout, soaking in the moment. The guy just hit a ball 400 feet in an MLB game. Very few can say that. If you can hit a home run against a Major League Pitcher, it’s worth celebrating. Plus, Anderson plays for the Chicago White Sox, and they only score about 3 runs every year, so he definitely has a reason to celebrate!
Dawson Brown I agree about his point but my point is that baseball’s not fun anymore. I had more fun watching the Little League World Series. We have to give people a reason to watch, watching a guy hit a grand slam and run with his head down around the bases is so boring.
Tyler Reddick i see what you mean, and that’s understandable. I think it’s because of how baseball is played 162 times a year, 9 innings a game, roughly 3-4 at bats. There’s plenty of opportunities to do it. Which Tim has done it 4 times this year & 50 times in his career. I get the white Sox do only get about 3 homers a year, but that’s also why it’s not necessary to get pumped if you’re the White Sox lol.. you don’t see Mike trout or Christian yelich bat flipping when they hit a bomb. I think it’s a specific moment type of deal with the batflip. For Tim Anderson’s case, there’s other ways to celebrate his homer, that can fire up the team, like not doing a commonly known disrespectful gesture. Unless this is a hot rival game or something, and there’s underlying beef. Ya know? I do get that there should be an entertainment aspect too. It’s just a matter of doing what it’s always been like, or adjusting for entertainment
UltimatexInstinct Yeah I see what you’re saying. A second inning bat flip with two terrible teams? Maybe not the time. But as a Blue Jays fan with Bautista’s bat flip I’m used to defending the flips. His flip assured hundreds of thousands of die-hard fans that they would live to see another day. No Texas Ranger could ever stop that. That’s why I’m pro-flip. And for Tim Anderson, a humble guy, easy to defend, I want to side with him. But second inning bat flips in April? That’s a little too much.
These two old fashioned ballers arguing about keeping the game the way it is, its advocating to kill the game we all love... The rest of the World, Korea, Japan, Latin America, etc, have been playing the game with passion. I love to watch a Korean or Japanese pro baseball game... They got cheerleaders, live music, non-stop through the game, batflips, and the list goes on. It draws the fans to the games, and the non-fan who is intrigued to watch something different. The MLB, needs international executives to teach them something that they already know, let the players play with swag and passion. Let the players wear the flashy cleats, colorful gloves, custom painted bats, etc... If the sport never evolves, its doomed to loose captivity from the people who dont play the sport; the fans! BASEBALL its a juggernaut on all of those countries, and everyone wants to play it. Lets not talk about the salaries which are ridiculously high, in a sports that has not been watch consistently on tv during the last decade. The fans only wants to watch the highlights online... You can spend 3 hrs watching a game that only has 8 to 12 minutes of true action, that you cant celebrate. Extend the highlights with fist pump from the difficult double play, from the super hard squeeze bunt performed, the tripple, the on the field homerun, and you will have a show... Thats why NFL, NBA and Soccer have better ratings on TV, and more fand in their stadiums than the MLB.
Saying that getting hit by a pitch is the price of flipping the bat is a little ridiculous. Bat flipping risks hurting the pitchers feelings while throwing at a hitter risks ending that hitter’s career. Not at all comparable in my opinion.
If a pitcher can throw a rubber, cork and leather sphere at 90+ MPH at someone, as long as it's not the head, then I say the hitters should be allowed to take that ol' bat snd wack the pitcher in the legs or back. I mean, it's not the head, so it's alright, right?
seriously you could get every single tool from every Home Depot, Lowe’s, and Menards across planet earth and it still would not equate to how much of a tool he is
I would do a bat flip every time, and if I get drilled, then I take a base. That's the pitcher's fault if somebody gets an RBI for me to score on. You could even come out with catchers gear on to take the pitch. It's just the most competitively viable way to play the game.
especially when he has like a 70 plus percent chance of default failure. Hitting is god damn hard. I hit an opposite field double once in high school on a tough high fastball I normally never get to and I felt like I was on a cloud opening presents on Christmas.
oh boo hoo. "Respect" seems to only apply to batters. Can't bat flip? Okay, then pitchers shouldn't be allowed to scream and fist pump. BOTTOM LINE: if you don't want the guy flipping his bat, don't let him drill it out the park.
Avarice176 totally agree with you I don’t like the bat flip in the middle of a game where no one is even excited expert the batter Same as why is a pitcher allowed to scream and pound his glove on a strikeout ? Now. If it is a pivotal point in the game ? Yes. To either player celebrating
@@JAMuUP these days it isn't uncommon for some mediocre reliever to showboat in the 7th or 8th against a good lineup. I've been seeing it more and more
@@peterfrknpan6674 It's like throwing the football into the stands after a touchdown. If you do that early on, you'll get fined; if you do that at the end of the game, perfectly acceptable. Just implement that for hitters in baseball.
@WOOD PRIDE 88 "literal cancer" says the guy whining about a bat flip. If you're that sensitive to showboating, don't give up a homer like that. It's that simple. Throwing at a guy shouldn't be what you do if you threw a middle-middle meatball. Give me a break
A lot of the older generation of players are soft. Try to act all tough by throwing a baseball at a guy for celebrating and then get your teammates to protect you when a scrum happens. Go up to the plate and fight them if you're that angry.
I’m a pitcher and have done at a high level. You better believe I’ll come to the plate waiting for hitter acting like a jack ass. Don’t ever stereo type all pitchers. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Keyboard warrior.
Leonard Andreas Gundersen I completely agree. I’ve never seen a bat flip physically hurt anyone. But I have sure seen a baseball hurt hitters way too many times. There is no excuse for it
Im mid 40s and have gotten in to bb the last 5 years. Im more old school and tradition to what the old school players set. However. Should this b a debate? U look at the Korean professionals & their HR bat flips r electric, exciting, & a site to see. Definitely entertainmen..... hold up, isn't that what baseball is ? Still straddling the fence.
Honestly.. Korean baseball league such a crappy league in skill compare to MLB, but 1000 times more exciting and fun to watch. MLB losing fans year by year. Come on man. Boring!!!!!!!! Pichers celebrate when you get strikeouts then?? Come on man.
NO need to look to Asia for baseball .... best commentators are Latin, and the leagues in Latin America are amazing to watch. The Puerto Rican team in the classic showdown was by far the greatest show on earth the last few years. Just watching El MAGO and Molina together was filthy
@@hushg2000 Myself from Korea loving in US, never had experience to watch Latino games but as I have seen from players from latin playing in Korea, seem like they are true characters and love them.
I can understand a player exploding with emotion for overcoming a tough obstacle. Whether a pitcher is striking out a batter and cheering (the pitcher's batflip) or a batter is hitting a home run in a clutch situation. If anything, that is a compliment to the talent level of the person they just succeeded against. On a side note, totally agree with Al on everything said about pitcher's having a responsibility when they are pitching. I always liked him. Top class.
I love this idea that “pitchers will get emotional, and unless we want to eliminate emotion from the game we should be comfortable letting pitchers hit batters after they celebrate home runs”, it’s absolutely absurd to an almost comedic degree. There is an inherent difference between getting emotional and celebrating a strikeout, and getting emotional and trying to hurt a person with a high-speed projectile. Not to mention the fact that thinking it’s poor form to hit guys who showboat isn’t at all eliminating emotion from the game, because, why are the hitters showboating? Because they did something incredibly difficult and impressive and they get emotional and they want to celebrate it. Basically, what I’m saying is, if you’re mad at a guy for flipping a bat or watching a longball leave the yard, strike him out the next time you face him and relish it. Batters aren’t allowed to deliberately hit pitchers, are they?
In football you can celebrate a touchdown In basketball you can trash talk the other team In soccer you can take a big victory slide after a goal But in baseball you can’t celebrate a home run without sparking a brawl? BS
The people complaining about bat flips are actually the ones ruining baseball. It’s only a matter of time until a pitcher ends a career or a life over a bat flip.
Yes those pitchers work hard. However, does Tom Brady kick a defender that got a pic 6 that celebrated or does he come back out to avenge the mistake? Its good for NFL so may b ok for MLB. Still on fence though.
Two completely different sports. Different sets of rules. Baseball is 150 years old. What these ballplayers are describing is how the game is supposed to be played. The way it's going now, they are going to turn it into a spectacle. Did you catch the comment that football can to some extent allow spectacle because it's a very short season and is already a contact sport? Baseball is not a contact sport. It is played without brute force. Those who don't abide by that are considered "dirty." Hitting a batter (not in the head of course) is an unwritten rule because it is a way of policing the game on the field. If you leave it alone and allow players and managers to enforce traditions within reasonable bounds, then you don't need to call down more bureaucracy from the top - which is already ruining the game with ridiculous rule changes in recent years. Baseball does not need to be micromanaged by league bureaucrats, part-time fans, or the media. That's why the former players in this video referenced the 750 players in the league. They decide how to handle stuff like this on the field. Self-policing works - which is why it is a tradition. It settles the issue one way or another and then everyone moves on and plays baseball again. We don't need people crying to the media or appealing to fringe fans who don't have a deep knowledge of the game. We don't need even more rules coming down from MLB.
@@MillionthUsername i read ur document. Good and agree with you nearly 100%. The main issue is that baseball is fading and needs growth to sustain. Not gonna lie dont wanna see irrelevant bat flips & excessive meaningless celebrations. Love the game but changes are required. Not saying flips are it.
MillionthUsername I can understand what you are saying slightly, but it doesn’t make an excuse for hitting these guys intentionally. You can’t defend yourself against a baseball. Once the pitcher releases it, there is no going back. Wherever that ball goes, that’s just where it goes. The pitcher may get thrown out and get a FIVE day suspension which maybe would cause them to miss one start. Whereas the hitter may miss the rest of the season or the rest of his career if something happens. There is no appealing an injury like a suspension. There is no good excuse for intentionally hitting batters. If the pitcher doesn’t like it, let the guys know. Don’t just cheap shot him with a 90+ mph fastball up and in. It’s a bit of a coward move in my opinion
@@MillionthUsername I do 100% agree w handling it on the field. I ask this y in mlb is it sooo hated & for the Chinese players it’s viewed as fun & fans love it? Chinese players grind just as hard & they don’t find it disrespectful so why does mlb? I’m on the fence because I do respect the old school rules. I actually prefer them however everything changes
Does a player knee cap a guy after he dunks on him & posterizes him in the NBA. Loose your ego old pitchers & players. You make a mistake you own it. Cry me a river. I'm part of the new school. Loose your mindset.
Before Jordan, that was an inevitably. Interior defense isn't as stressed as much anymore and dunks do not send anywhere near as strong a message as they used to. Dunks also account for about 1/50 of a team's scoring in an average game, about 1/33 if it's And 1. A homer might account anywhere from absolutely meaningless to an entire team's offensive output for the game. It means more to scoring and team morale, so tensions can be high after. (Though, I personally think of homers as rally killers, also) The ubiquity of both events - homers and dunks in the modern era reduce psychological effects of both. I do not condone throwing at batters (I'm one myself), but if players want to make these events bigger than they are or need to be, it's also gamesmanship to put them back in their place somehow.
I’m sorry but this is the definition of a old head conversation bat flipping yelling and pumping ur fist makes it interesting for the fans and players. And pitchers should just strike them out and yell back
I also recall him getting tossed for what exactly?! Dude didn't instigate anything, took his medicine, said some words, expressed some anger but marched to first base. If he had been allowed to stay in the game and managed to hit another moon shot, I'd want him to toss the bat again. Anderson own's his attitude and like it or not, that's commendable. 💯💯💯
I'm down for bigger punishments for throwing at guys. Bat flips and watching or whatever, let it happen. Throw better pitches then. Grow up. But throwing at people for these "unwritten rule" violations, risking injury, putting a man on base against your own team... foh
A lot of people don't realize that the NBA in the 60's and 70's had similar unwritten rules. Players never did flashy stylish dunks on their opponents because it was considered disrespectful. It would immediately cause a fight. But eventually, players loosened up and flashy disrespectful dunks followed by screaming became the highlights of the game. And the NBA went on to grow more popular than MLB. These sensitive boomers are holding baseball back from growing. I want it all from both sides. Bat flips and pitchers mouthing off to batters.
i’m a sox fan so i loved it because they’re a young, rebuilding team in a city filled with mostly cubs fans (especially now that they’re good) so him putting on a show for the fans is great to me for that reason. of course it’s a “meaningless home run” whatever that means, and i probably wouldn’t like it if the opposing team did that to us after getting a homer....but i’d rather he strike him out the next time and taunt him back instead. throwing at someone intentionally, there’s no real justification for doing that in my opinion.
Conducting oneself in a dignified and respectful manner will never get "old". A spontaneous outburst of emotion is "normal" and understandable. On the other hand, performing premeditated and choreographed routines in celebration of one's successful fulfillment of expectations associated work or duty serves as an affront.
Imagine you're the pitcher. It's bases loaded, two outs, and the batter hits the ball toward the warning track in the gap. The center fielder sprints toward the ball, makes a superb dive, and grabs the ball just before it hits the ground. Alternatively, it's a full count, you throw a nasty curveball, the batter whiffs, and now you've gotten out of that inning. The pitcher has full license to yell, celebrate, fist pump, the whole deal. So why, if you're a batter, are you not allowed to celebrate when you do something well? You hit a home run, you get excited, you give the bat a toss, and you celebrate around the bases. In that first scenario, the batter will be pissed off that they got fooled on a pitch a foot out of the zone, and the pitcher is allowed to celebrate. Why can't the batter celebrate a home run just because the pitcher is pissed off?
Simple yet so well said... The purist hate it but the games evolving right in front of them. The tread of bat flips is only going to go up with time, I could see it becoming a form of protest by the hitters that want to be able to show off there personality more on the field and reading the comment sections in all the videos I've watched of Andersons HR it would appear that the majority of people seem to be in favor of the hitters and pitchers being able to celebrate within reason... It makes the game fun and interesting hate it or love it, it gives the fans a player to hate or love... root for them or against them but no baseball fan or player should have the ill intent of injuring another player and it be celebrated... the pitchers need to sack up and act like professional adults, boo-hoo you got homered on and bat flipped on, maybe stay focused on getting the strike outs since hitters cant bat flip on you if your not giving up HRs... and then do there fist bumps every strike out and for all i care throw there glove in the air after a no-hitter but dont be offended when someone celebrates the fact they just accomplished one of the toughest feats in professional sports... hit a HR off a professional pitcher.
If your team is down 8-0 and you hit a solo home run to make it 8-1 and you bat flip, you’re a clown. If it’s the bottom of the 7th and you’re down 5-2 and you hit a grand slam….yeah, okay, bat flip.
I'm not against bat flips or emotion. But I agree with Leiter and DeRo about the timing. To me, there's just something a lot more intimidating about taking someone deep and acting like it's strictly business. Or striking out the side and walking off the mound cool and calm as can be. With that said, if you hit a walk off in the world series, you can use the bat as a pogo stick. If you hit a solo shot in the first inning...just act like you've been there before. No, people like me aren't sensitive to expression. We don't clench our fists and put holes in the wall, or whatever stupid exaggeration you want to make. If you want people to understand why it should be accepted to be overly expressive, then understand why others respect a more professional approach. If you want to slam your bat during a basic moment, you deal with the little 95 to the buttocks. If you hit a walk off to win the pennant, you l̶e̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶r̶i̶p̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶s̶h̶i̶r̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶ can celebrate how ever you want. It's always been part of baseball.
Let the batter celebrate. If a pitcher can celebrate for a perfect game then a player should flip the bat when he hits a home run. And KBO and Nippon Professional Baseball does bat flip all the time. And it's funny that they think having a "disagreement" is saying that he's wrong or that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Lol
90% of these comments didn't watch the video. THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE TO BAT FLIP (LIKE THEY SAID). THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE TO FIST PUMP. A 3RD INNING 2 RUN SHOT ON WEEK 2 OF THE SEASON IS NOT THE TIME OR PLACE. Jesus christ people have some pride in being humble.
I was a great hitter all my life and I was also hit by many of pitches, I knew how to get hit and absorb the ball and none of those hit by pitches were on purpose. That being said it still hurt like a mug and these MLB pitchers are blatantly throwing at batters at way harder pitch velocity than I was ever hit by, I couldn’t even imagine.
Im 17 and i play baseball w friends and EVERY SINGLE HR we batfilp. We find a cool flip and use it bc its fun i could sit here and hit a ball and just put my head down like im scared to hurt a pitchers feelings but I don't. Let them HAVE FUN.
If you hit a homerun of a guy I think you should be able to celebrate, as a pitcher if I give up a homerun and he batfilps I’ll be mad but at the end of the day I let him hit that homerun he can do whatever he wants.
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10/10 soap box speech from Mark, agreeing with the order up on the beanball to police inappropriate behavior during mid-season games The vets should dictate what's appropriate, so never stop tellin' 'em, Mark. tell the new wave how it is, and how it should be, bring the soap box
Does anyone else feel like the pitchers are more concerned about what the batter does than the hanger they just threw?
Sam Dyson. Doesn't mention how he ended the rangers season in game 5 by blowing a lead. Instead says how Jose was disrespectful. Smh. People who think bat flips are bad or ppl should be plunked bc they bat flip are immature
Buckeye State Sports takes the focus off of that hanging pitch
Love this
Do you not understand baseball? The unwritten rules are just a big a part of the game, as the regular rules. Your opinion doesn't matter! if you disrespect a pitcher expect to get hit, that's all there is to it. If you do not want to get plunked, then be respectful to the game
Aaron Wehrle and that’s why baseball rating are trash, because of ppl that think like you! In Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Cuba and Venezuela! They play baseball with passion! Which includes a pitcher striking out a HR hitter and celebrating like crazy! Or the Hitter doing a Bat Flip!
Don’t come with the oh baseball was invented in USA, because the baseball classic has been around for over a decade and USA has only won once and having the best team! Plus the highest TV ratings were coming from DR and PR and Japan!
Bat Flip: Hurts the pitcher's delicate feelings for a few minutes.
Throwing at a Hitter: Could cause injury, potentially even career-threatening.
I really don't see how this is a debate.
@Dawson Brown What's your view on bat flips then? "Respect the game and show zero emotion while trotting around the bases"? Ins't that a sad and tired position as well?
Pitching example, There is a difference between a fist pump and Throwing your Glove. If I was to strike out someone and then throw my glove 30 feet in the air, Everyone would agree that is ridiculous unless you just finished a no hitter or won the world series. FYI anacceptable Bat flip stays in or around the box. You also must be moving towards first. Watching without so much as taking a step to first... you are getting drilled. Rules of the Game my friend. I like bat flips within reason. Just don't huck lumber across the field. This game is also about respect and you can respectfully bat flip or you can be an ass and toss it like frisbee.
Andrew Myers not only potentially career threatening, it can be life threatening
@@rymaal And this is my exact point. You think preserving the precious, delicate emotions of the pitcher is more important than the hitter exhibiting any sort of emotion after having success in an athletic COMPETITION. This "Old Ball Game" mentality needs to die. Celebrating an achievement is the DEFINITION of "respecting the sport", because they know how difficult their path to that moment was. If the pitcher wants to jump up and down or throw his glove after a strikeout...Cool. Let him do that. He won the battle and deserves to do that. The same opportunity should be awarded to the batter without childish repercussion.
@Dawson Brown Always an accident . . . but how does the ball know? Baseball is truly magical.
Look at all those levelheaded and humble pitchers going crazy after a meaningless strikeout.
Exactly! This seems to be an extremely one-sided argument! It seems like all these "purists" are ok with pitchers gloating but are against it when a hitter starts gloating! I don't understand it.
That's not true at all.
If you are butthurt by the pitcher pumping his fist after a strikeout, get even the way it always has been done...take that dude deep next time you face him. You are disrespecting the pitcher when you throw your bat like a javelin. Tim Anderson is a freaking crybaby...if you want to show off, you gotta pay the price. He did not get hit in the head or even in the upper body, he got hit right square on the ass.
@@brianeleighton and if you go deep on a pitcher he should strike you out not hit you and give up a free bag. It is a two way street pitchers can fist pump hitters can bat flip simple.
There is a difference between a fist pump and Throwing your Glove. If I was to strike out someone and then throw my glove 30 feet in the air, Everyone would agree that is ridiculous. FYI and acceptable Bat flip stays in or around the box. You also must be moving towards first. Watching without so much as taking a step to first... you are getting drilled. Rules of the Game my friend.
If I were a manager, and if these pitchers always bean after a bat flip, I’d ask every player to do a bat flip every time they have an at bat (strikeout, walk, homer, whatever). The on base percentage would be amazing!
or let the bat go at the pitcher. I bet pitcher will stop throwing at batters if batters throw the bat at pitchers
I imagine the disabled list would be pretty amazing too.
This man knows what he's talking about. Free bases. Bat flip after singles.
broooooo!!!! that is the best ever!!!!! hell yea...that would be great....but might turn the game into a boxing match lmao
Billy Bean 2.0
Don't like bat flips? Don't serve up bomb. If a pitcher wants revenge. Beat them. Strike them out and do a shimmy.
marcus nunes pitchers should throw their glove in the sky, point at their dug out and jump up and down after each strike out. Nah, that’s lame AF. And so are some of the bat flips. The ones that are, get plunked. Seems like a fair deal to me.
@@dwdorris3048 hang on. I grew up a pitcher. I coached college. And never in my life have I understood how pimping a HR is the equivalent to getting beaned. That's like me winning a spelling bee, and because I beat the other guy, the next game he gets to punch me in the face. Tell me how that makes any sense?
Brad Julien I don't want to see guys getting hurt,.bean balls can end careers. You can't go to the DL for hurt feelings.
@@dwdorris3048 dumbass
@@dwdorris3048 So its a fair deal that when I celebrate I could possibly have my career ended the next time up? You're delusional. Baseball is literally the only sport where celebrating after you score is against the "rules". That is just stupidity at its finest and goes against what sports are about.
Baseball culture is asinine. So the batter throws his bat after he takes you yard, get the hell over it. Next time throw a better pitch instead of launching a projectile at him with intent to injure.
Dingers and bat flips...
Strike outs and fist pumps...
Bottom line, baseball needs emotion to survive. I'm cool with both. If you're gonna fist pump striking out my teammate, don't be mad when I flip my bat going yard on you. And vice versa.
Why can't it be that easy?
There is a difference between a fist pump and Throwing your Glove. If I was to strike out someone and then throw my glove 30 feet in the air, Everyone would agree that is ridiculous. FYI and acceptable Bat flip stays in or around the box. You also must be moving towards first. Watching without so much as taking a step to first... you are getting drilled. Rules of the Game my friend.
No, Baseball does not need emotion to survive. Also, fist pumps and bat flips are not the same thing. One is disrespectful, and show offey.
Awesome point!
@@theunpopularopinionatedten4951 how if one different then the other? It's not like the batter looks dead at the pitcher and flips the bat and like a F U moment
Only hit a batter if hes playing dirty. Batflips arent dirty
@Hoodie here! Right
How tf can you play baseball dirty
@@Darkclouds666. Use tech to know what pitch is coming? Use an illegal bat? Take an illegal substance? Try to hurt somebody? Have you ever watched baseball?
@@Darkclouds666. Lmao, @HoustonAstros
@@Darkclouds666. Do things like charging bases cleats first, try to take out the basemen while running, spit at the catcher while up at the plate, kick dirt at the catcher, stuff like that.
If a pitcher is excited about a strike out, the next batter should throw his bat at him. Enough of the double standards
@Dawson Brown the snowflakes are the ones who throw baseballs at people because they're mad.
@Dawson Brown legit question. Anderson deserved to be hit because he celebrated?
@Dawson Brown ive been around baseball since i was 10. I asked a legit question man. Sorry for russling your feathers jeez...
@Dawson Brown thats why that unwritten rule should not be a thing. Dont get mad at the batter just cuz u threw a pitch he could crush. Be mad at urself.
@Dawson Brown well i feel like they r more mad at the batters bat flip than themself. Which is wrong imo
“If my 9 yr old did that we’re going to the car”🙄🙄🙄 exactly why these kids don’t wanna play baseball no more
Literally exactly why smh
Yea because kids aren’t disciplined anymore and are so fucking entitled
@@deadheadwsp705 kids are kids, we just get older. 100 years ago they said the same thing about those kids, too.
Exactly why all the real athletes rather play football & basketball.
@@batonrougehistoryclass5194 lol stop talking…the NFL is the same way…if you get up in someone’s face you get a “unsportsmanlike conduct” penalty. Basketball if you dunk on someone and even look at him it’s a foul…this is in sports and your 9 yr old should respect the other team…period. If you don’t believe so life will come right at you when 20 other parents think differently and that’s Derosa’s entire point…you need to get the entire league on this bc this is how the game has been “policed” for years
I'm confused. What is so disrespectful about a bat flip that warrants throwing a 95 mph fastball at someone?
Its pitchers being bitches, sorry for the language but that's what it is
Andrew Pestotnik true
@@Kaibat1205 As an insanely competitive person I understand getting angry if someone hits a Homer off of you because it puts your team in a position to lose. However, To the side that you are gonna intentionally hit someone with something at over a 100 miles per hour is a bit childish.
Basically it boils down to “well if my veterans thought it was right to bean people for disresxtinf them, then I should be validated in continuing the toxicity of trying to hurt people for hurting my feelings Too”
Ego.
A pitcher can celebrate a strike out and fist pump but a batter being excited and chucks the bat after a homerun is disrespectful?
If their aim is good enough to hit the batter on the butt whenever they want to, why not use that same skill to paint the corner and strike them out?
Let the kids play. Let em flip, let em pitch inside and let them go at it if they want it. Emotion is apart of passion. Play with passion
Agree... let them ALL play... hitter gets to flip the bat... pitcher gets to bean the hitter...
Probably the most level-headed response I've seen on this.
Yep, it's all apart of baseball. You bat flip, you get pitched inside, just play the game.
@@stevelucero9047 Agree... let them ALL play... pitcher gets to pump his fist... batter gets to throw his bat at the pitcher...
I agree, but there's a fine line between passion and having respect for "the game". Baseball's the most traditional game we have in America! If you don't like it don't watch, ya know?
Notice those ex pitchers said NOTHING about pitchers who express their emotions after a strikeout. NOTHING... hmmmm. I wonder why!!!!
DeRosa wasn’t a pitcher
You say that its okay for a pitcher to hit a hitter for the consequences, but how do hitters bring 'consequences' to the pitcher? They can't. So already, you take the hardest thing to do in sports, hitting a baseball, and give the pitcher another advantage because they are 'upset'. No one wants to see a 1-0 game. The pitcher already has too many things going for them. Let the hitters take ownership for once. Also- you say you dont want your 9 year old to bat flip, how about your 9 year old drilling someone? That is far worse than a bat flip.
Yea how would he feel if his 9 year old got drilled for celebrating a homerun
lime2010 yeah but he shouldn’t have drilled him in the first place.
Will Watson I mean, I don’t mind 1-0 games
@@peteisspidey4451 every real die hard baseball fan appreciates a 1-0 game. It's these younger add riddled kids that can't sit still for 5 seconds that think that kind of game is boring. And to those saying hitters can't do anything back for getting drilled....yes you can. I've done this a few times in my career. Focus in on that first pitch next time up and hit a line drive right back at the mound. That'll get the pitchers attention.
@@acehigh79 Or we could avoid the whole, we need to injure each other because he "disrespected" me thing because it is petulant and childish. Yes, conservative American culture is to be petulant and childish snd throw a fit all the time because they take everything personally. So in order to protect themselves from their own truth they need to project their insecurities onto the other side. This is why people from other educated countries think we're stupid and childish. It's because we are.
What can I say, I like batflip I want to see a batflip in every home run
even the no fun league gave in on the celebration, come on baseball
@@cactusman999 to be fair, celebrating IS part of football is what I believe what the OP believes since “no fun league” refers to the NFL
I dont understand why these old-heads see celebration as disrespectful. Go watch the KBO where people bat flip singles! There's no disrespect in that, just people having fun and enjoying the game, as it should be. People need to release their death-grip of the old baseball. These unwritten rules are nothing more than romanticization of eye-for-eye style revenge mentalities.
To be fair, KBO I believe don’t have bat boys equivalents so they kinda have to flip it to their dugouts lol, or they’d rather make their bat boys lives a little easier
Or maybe watch any other sport, every sport has a celebration, it's part of it
Ya, they just don't get it.
Touchdown: Celebration
Goal: Big Celebration
Home Run: Head Down, “act as if you’ve down it before”
Come on people. Come on.
Tyler Reddick there’s a time and place for it. If it’s your first homer in the big leagues celebrate. If you just broke a record, celebrate. If you walk off in a playoff game or World Series, absolutely celebrate. But if it’s just another homer, then there’s no point. 2nd inning?? There’s no momentum built. They lost that game anyways. Also, pitchers don’t celebrate after a pointless strikeout. If you strikeout the side, celebrate, if you’re in a jam, bases loaded & need a big strikeout, sure fistpump. And again if it’s a big game and the strikeout is game changing, then I’m all for it. The consequence is something that’s been in baseball for years though. Don’t wanna get beaned for hitting that pointless homer? Then don’t batflip over the pointless homer.
UltimatexInstinct Celebrations in soccer, football, hockey, they all come no matter if it’s just another point or if it’s special. I get the respect argument, baseball is a gentleman’s sport, but disrespect is doing it to rile up the other team. He’s not doing that. He’s looking at his own dugout, throwing the bat towards his own dugout, soaking in the moment. The guy just hit a ball 400 feet in an MLB game. Very few can say that. If you can hit a home run against a Major League Pitcher, it’s worth celebrating. Plus, Anderson plays for the Chicago White Sox, and they only score about 3 runs every year, so he definitely has a reason to celebrate!
Dawson Brown I agree about his point but my point is that baseball’s not fun anymore. I had more fun watching the Little League World Series. We have to give people a reason to watch, watching a guy hit a grand slam and run with his head down around the bases is so boring.
Tyler Reddick i see what you mean, and that’s understandable. I think it’s because of how baseball is played 162 times a year, 9 innings a game, roughly 3-4 at bats. There’s plenty of opportunities to do it. Which Tim has done it 4 times this year & 50 times in his career. I get the white Sox do only get about 3 homers a year, but that’s also why it’s not necessary to get pumped if you’re the White Sox lol.. you don’t see Mike trout or Christian yelich bat flipping when they hit a bomb. I think it’s a specific moment type of deal with the batflip. For Tim Anderson’s case, there’s other ways to celebrate his homer, that can fire up the team, like not doing a commonly known disrespectful gesture. Unless this is a hot rival game or something, and there’s underlying beef. Ya know? I do get that there should be an entertainment aspect too. It’s just a matter of doing what it’s always been like, or adjusting for entertainment
UltimatexInstinct Yeah I see what you’re saying. A second inning bat flip with two terrible teams? Maybe not the time. But as a Blue Jays fan with Bautista’s bat flip I’m used to defending the flips. His flip assured hundreds of thousands of die-hard fans that they would live to see another day. No Texas Ranger could ever stop that. That’s why I’m pro-flip. And for Tim Anderson, a humble guy, easy to defend, I want to side with him. But second inning bat flips in April? That’s a little too much.
Physically assaulting someone with a weapon. You know. Level headed and humble.
That is dumb. Hitting someone with a baseball is not assault.
The Unpopular Opinionated Tennessean If I pelted you with a rock at 90mph wouldn’t you call that an assault? 😂
The Unpopular Opinionated Tennessean idiot
@@theunpopularopinionatedten4951 It is, actually.
It’s Battery
Thats the reason why people like the world classic they show more emotion
About to say that .... El MAGO with Molina was filthy to watch. Best show on earth
Colombia v Dominican Republic was some of the most fun I’ve ever had watching a baseball game
Your mindset is wrong🤷🏾♂️
These two old fashioned ballers arguing about keeping the game the way it is, its advocating to kill the game we all love... The rest of the World, Korea, Japan, Latin America, etc, have been playing the game with passion. I love to watch a Korean or Japanese pro baseball game... They got cheerleaders, live music, non-stop through the game, batflips, and the list goes on. It draws the fans to the games, and the non-fan who is intrigued to watch something different.
The MLB, needs international executives to teach them something that they already know, let the players play with swag and passion. Let the players wear the flashy cleats, colorful gloves, custom painted bats, etc... If the sport never evolves, its doomed to loose captivity from the people who dont play the sport; the fans! BASEBALL its a juggernaut on all of those countries, and everyone wants to play it.
Lets not talk about the salaries which are ridiculously high, in a sports that has not been watch consistently on tv during the last decade. The fans only wants to watch the highlights online... You can spend 3 hrs watching a game that only has 8 to 12 minutes of true action, that you cant celebrate. Extend the highlights with fist pump from the difficult double play, from the super hard squeeze bunt performed, the tripple, the on the field homerun, and you will have a show...
Thats why NFL, NBA and Soccer have better ratings on TV, and more fand in their stadiums than the MLB.
Saying that getting hit by a pitch is the price of flipping the bat is a little ridiculous. Bat flipping risks hurting the pitchers feelings while throwing at a hitter risks ending that hitter’s career. Not at all comparable in my opinion.
Brion Stronghold I dont see your point
If a pitcher can throw a rubber, cork and leather sphere at 90+ MPH at someone, as long as it's not the head, then I say the hitters should be allowed to take that ol' bat snd wack the pitcher in the legs or back.
I mean, it's not the head, so it's alright, right?
Justin Santiago tru
I agree
Pitchers overreact with batflips, hitting someone with a baseball Is dengerous and a batflip hurts no one, but mediocre pitchers ego.
"Don't tell me my mindset is wrong, Robert!" DeRosa is such a tool!
LOL
seriously you could get every single tool from every Home Depot, Lowe’s, and Menards across planet earth and it still would not equate to how much of a tool he is
there is a difference between hurting feelings and injuring a guy. My bat flip may hurt your feelings but your fast ball into my body can injure me.
Bat flip shouldn't hurt feelings it's just a celebration, why should it be disrespectful?
I would do a bat flip every time, and if I get drilled, then I take a base. That's the pitcher's fault if somebody gets an RBI for me to score on. You could even come out with catchers gear on to take the pitch.
It's just the most competitively viable way to play the game.
Kole Calhoun bat flips after every contact he makes. Kinda fun to watch actually
superQuizzie very true, they will eventually have to stop giving away free bases
How dare an ultra-competitive athlete be pumped up and excited about smashing a ball out of the park.
Especially when hes been working since he was like 6 years old to be able to get his body and mind in the right position to be able to do that
Andrew Pestotnik not to mention the years spent in the minor leagues just to get to that moment
especially when he has like a 70 plus percent chance of default failure. Hitting is god damn hard. I hit an opposite field double once in high school on a tough high fastball I normally never get to and I felt like I was on a cloud opening presents on Christmas.
oh boo hoo. "Respect" seems to only apply to batters. Can't bat flip? Okay, then pitchers shouldn't be allowed to scream and fist pump. BOTTOM LINE: if you don't want the guy flipping his bat, don't let him drill it out the park.
Avarice176 totally agree with you
I don’t like the bat flip in the middle of a game where no one is even excited expert the batter
Same as why is a pitcher allowed to scream and pound his glove on a strikeout ?
Now. If it is a pivotal point in the game ? Yes. To either player celebrating
@@JAMuUP these days it isn't uncommon for some mediocre reliever to showboat in the 7th or 8th against a good lineup. I've been seeing it more and more
@@peterfrknpan6674 It's like throwing the football into the stands after a touchdown. If you do that early on, you'll get fined; if you do that at the end of the game, perfectly acceptable. Just implement that for hitters in baseball.
@WOOD PRIDE 88 "literal cancer" says the guy whining about a bat flip. If you're that sensitive to showboating, don't give up a homer like that. It's that simple. Throwing at a guy shouldn't be what you do if you threw a middle-middle meatball. Give me a break
John M I agree with you man
Pitchers are snowflakes at heart.
A lot of the older generation of players are soft. Try to act all tough by throwing a baseball at a guy for celebrating and then get your teammates to protect you when a scrum happens. Go up to the plate and fight them if you're that angry.
I’m a pitcher and have done at a high level. You better believe I’ll come to the plate waiting for hitter acting like a jack ass. Don’t ever stereo type all pitchers. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Keyboard warrior.
Trevorl2266 it looks like you’re the keywarrior. Most pitchers are snowflakes, not a stereotype; but a fact!
@@Trevorl-fo7vr take a deep breath there, Cy Young.
Uh oh someone got triggered@@Trevorl-fo7vr
More bat flips. Pitcher who drill hitters should be set on a 40 game penalty
Leonard Andreas Gundersen I completely agree. I’ve never seen a bat flip physically hurt anyone. But I have sure seen a baseball hurt hitters way too many times. There is no excuse for it
If my 9 year old bat flips a home run, I'm taking him for ice cream after the game and we're throwing a party
Lmaoooo I just died.
I'm taking him to get an ice cream for the homer, not the bat flip. I'd say "Nice bat flip" lol
"Don't tell me my mindset is wrong."
Wtf.... ?!
The dude literally stood on a pedestal to speak. Took away any importance from what he had to say, at least for me. High and mighty.
Holy shit DeRo and Leiter were awful in this segment. Glad I didn't watch live.
Im mid 40s and have gotten in to bb the last 5 years. Im more old school and tradition to what the old school players set. However. Should this b a debate? U look at the Korean professionals & their HR bat flips r electric, exciting, & a site to see. Definitely entertainmen..... hold up, isn't that what baseball is ? Still straddling the fence.
@@cian5526 ive corrected that. Thanks
Honestly.. Korean baseball league such a crappy league in skill compare to MLB, but 1000 times more exciting and fun to watch. MLB losing fans year by year. Come on man. Boring!!!!!!!! Pichers celebrate when you get strikeouts then?? Come on man.
NO need to look to Asia for baseball .... best commentators are Latin, and the leagues in Latin America are amazing to watch. The Puerto Rican team in the classic showdown was by far the greatest show on earth the last few years. Just watching El MAGO and Molina together was filthy
@@hushg2000 Myself from Korea loving in US, never had experience to watch Latino games but as I have seen from players from latin playing in Korea, seem like they are true characters and love them.
I can understand a player exploding with emotion for overcoming a tough obstacle. Whether a pitcher is striking out a batter and cheering (the pitcher's batflip) or a batter is hitting a home run in a clutch situation. If anything, that is a compliment to the talent level of the person they just succeeded against. On a side note, totally agree with Al on everything said about pitcher's having a responsibility when they are pitching. I always liked him. Top class.
I love this idea that “pitchers will get emotional, and unless we want to eliminate emotion from the game we should be comfortable letting pitchers hit batters after they celebrate home runs”, it’s absolutely absurd to an almost comedic degree. There is an inherent difference between getting emotional and celebrating a strikeout, and getting emotional and trying to hurt a person with a high-speed projectile. Not to mention the fact that thinking it’s poor form to hit guys who showboat isn’t at all eliminating emotion from the game, because, why are the hitters showboating? Because they did something incredibly difficult and impressive and they get emotional and they want to celebrate it. Basically, what I’m saying is, if you’re mad at a guy for flipping a bat or watching a longball leave the yard, strike him out the next time you face him and relish it. Batters aren’t allowed to deliberately hit pitchers, are they?
Bruh it's called having fun
I think it’s fair. Hitter can’t bat flip if he wants to. That’s fine that’s his decision. But the pitcher has the right to hit him also.
In football you can celebrate a touchdown
In basketball you can trash talk the other team
In soccer you can take a big victory slide after a goal
But in baseball you can’t celebrate a home run without sparking a brawl? BS
Soft
The people complaining about bat flips are actually the ones ruining baseball. It’s only a matter of time until a pitcher ends a career or a life over a bat flip.
Stop giving up homeruns if you don’t want guys bat flipping on you 🤷♂️
Yes those pitchers work hard. However, does Tom Brady kick a defender that got a pic 6 that celebrated or does he come back out to avenge the mistake? Its good for NFL so may b ok for MLB. Still on fence though.
Two completely different sports. Different sets of rules. Baseball is 150 years old. What these ballplayers are describing is how the game is supposed to be played. The way it's going now, they are going to turn it into a spectacle. Did you catch the comment that football can to some extent allow spectacle because it's a very short season and is already a contact sport? Baseball is not a contact sport. It is played without brute force. Those who don't abide by that are considered "dirty." Hitting a batter (not in the head of course) is an unwritten rule because it is a way of policing the game on the field. If you leave it alone and allow players and managers to enforce traditions within reasonable bounds, then you don't need to call down more bureaucracy from the top - which is already ruining the game with ridiculous rule changes in recent years.
Baseball does not need to be micromanaged by league bureaucrats, part-time fans, or the media. That's why the former players in this video referenced the 750 players in the league. They decide how to handle stuff like this on the field. Self-policing works - which is why it is a tradition. It settles the issue one way or another and then everyone moves on and plays baseball again. We don't need people crying to the media or appealing to fringe fans who don't have a deep knowledge of the game. We don't need even more rules coming down from MLB.
@@MillionthUsername i read ur document. Good and agree with you nearly 100%. The main issue is that baseball is fading and needs growth to sustain. Not gonna lie dont wanna see irrelevant bat flips & excessive meaningless celebrations. Love the game but changes are required. Not saying flips are it.
MillionthUsername I can understand what you are saying slightly, but it doesn’t make an excuse for hitting these guys intentionally. You can’t defend yourself against a baseball. Once the pitcher releases it, there is no going back. Wherever that ball goes, that’s just where it goes. The pitcher may get thrown out and get a FIVE day suspension which maybe would cause them to miss one start. Whereas the hitter may miss the rest of the season or the rest of his career if something happens. There is no appealing an injury like a suspension. There is no good excuse for intentionally hitting batters. If the pitcher doesn’t like it, let the guys know. Don’t just cheap shot him with a 90+ mph fastball up and in. It’s a bit of a coward move in my opinion
@@MillionthUsername I do 100% agree w handling it on the field. I ask this y in mlb is it sooo hated & for the Chinese players it’s viewed as fun & fans love it? Chinese players grind just as hard & they don’t find it disrespectful so why does mlb? I’m on the fence because I do respect the old school rules. I actually prefer them however everything changes
Does a player knee cap a guy after he dunks on him & posterizes him in the NBA. Loose your ego old pitchers & players. You make a mistake you own it. Cry me a river. I'm part of the new school. Loose your mindset.
Before Jordan, that was an inevitably. Interior defense isn't as stressed as much anymore and dunks do not send anywhere near as strong a message as they used to. Dunks also account for about 1/50 of a team's scoring in an average game, about 1/33 if it's And 1.
A homer might account anywhere from absolutely meaningless to an entire team's offensive output for the game. It means more to scoring and team morale, so tensions can be high after. (Though, I personally think of homers as rally killers, also)
The ubiquity of both events - homers and dunks in the modern era reduce psychological effects of both. I do not condone throwing at batters (I'm one myself), but if players want to make these events bigger than they are or need to be, it's also gamesmanship to put them back in their place somehow.
Marcus Stroman be cartwheeling off the mound, doing spins, Jumping and tapping his feet together after a pop up out.
Why cant the MLB have emotion like the WBC everyone was happy, does bat flips and nobody gets drilled. And everyone's fired up and having fun
Meme Review WBC was super fun to watch.
I’m sorry but this is the definition of a old head conversation bat flipping yelling and pumping ur fist makes it interesting for the fans and players. And pitchers should just strike them out and yell back
I also recall him getting tossed for what exactly?! Dude didn't instigate anything, took his medicine, said some words, expressed some anger but marched to first base. If he had been allowed to stay in the game and managed to hit another moon shot, I'd want him to toss the bat again. Anderson own's his attitude and like it or not, that's commendable. 💯💯💯
The players love to attack the analyst that has an unbiased view on the subject and see the game as entertainment and a business.
if you dont like batflips dont leave em over the plate my guy
And if you want to bat flip...don’t be pissed when you get drilled in the ass at 90mph. That’s not going to kill you. Stop being a pussy.
I'm down for bigger punishments for throwing at guys. Bat flips and watching or whatever, let it happen. Throw better pitches then. Grow up. But throwing at people for these "unwritten rule" violations, risking injury, putting a man on base against your own team... foh
Batter: Respect me when I make a mistake or I’m going to remind you that I hold your life in my hands.
A lot of people don't realize that the NBA in the 60's and 70's had similar unwritten rules. Players never did flashy stylish dunks on their opponents because it was considered disrespectful. It would immediately cause a fight. But eventually, players loosened up and flashy disrespectful dunks followed by screaming became the highlights of the game. And the NBA went on to grow more popular than MLB. These sensitive boomers are holding baseball back from growing. I want it all from both sides. Bat flips and pitchers mouthing off to batters.
DAMN Lauren is a TOTAL BABE
Even children learn that you shouldn't resort to violence when your feelings get hurt. Hitting a player intentionally is just wrong.
i’m a sox fan so i loved it because they’re a young, rebuilding team in a city filled with mostly cubs fans (especially now that they’re good) so him putting on a show for the fans is great to me for that reason. of course it’s a “meaningless home run” whatever that means, and i probably wouldn’t like it if the opposing team did that to us after getting a homer....but i’d rather he strike him out the next time and taunt him back instead. throwing at someone intentionally, there’s no real justification for doing that in my opinion.
Bat flip? Sure! But, Do not whine when you get drilled your next AB. This is discipline.
If a pitcher can celebrate a strikeout, a hitter can celebrate a homerun
Conducting oneself in a dignified and respectful manner will never get "old". A spontaneous outburst of emotion is "normal" and understandable. On the other hand, performing premeditated and choreographed routines in celebration of one's successful fulfillment of expectations associated work or duty serves as an affront.
Ur the reason y baseball is dying
Dawson Brown world isn’t the same though
Dawson Brown relevance?
@@Kaibat1205 He doesn't have a point. Lol
@@kvltizt lol he's on damn near every comment crying. Must be some wannabe washed up little leaguer with a Tim Wakefield arm
Those two in the middle are the reason baseball is dying
People gotta understand that you celebrate because you are happy not because you want to disrespect your opponent
The massive flaw in the argument they provide about being "emotionally invested" is that it completely disregards that the batter is just as invested.
Imagine you're the pitcher. It's bases loaded, two outs, and the batter hits the ball toward the warning track in the gap. The center fielder sprints toward the ball, makes a superb dive, and grabs the ball just before it hits the ground. Alternatively, it's a full count, you throw a nasty curveball, the batter whiffs, and now you've gotten out of that inning. The pitcher has full license to yell, celebrate, fist pump, the whole deal.
So why, if you're a batter, are you not allowed to celebrate when you do something well? You hit a home run, you get excited, you give the bat a toss, and you celebrate around the bases. In that first scenario, the batter will be pissed off that they got fooled on a pitch a foot out of the zone, and the pitcher is allowed to celebrate. Why can't the batter celebrate a home run just because the pitcher is pissed off?
Dats what Im saying. You hit it on the head 🎯
So if someone bat flips the pitcher should respond with intentionally hitting someone and possibly hurting them?? Tf is that logic
Bat flips should be part of MLB, it's pure entertainment
I think we are somewhere between modern and classic. Change doesn't happen overnight.
Simple yet so well said... The purist hate it but the games evolving right in front of them. The tread of bat flips is only going to go up with time, I could see it becoming a form of protest by the hitters that want to be able to show off there personality more on the field and reading the comment sections in all the videos I've watched of Andersons HR it would appear that the majority of people seem to be in favor of the hitters and pitchers being able to celebrate within reason... It makes the game fun and interesting hate it or love it, it gives the fans a player to hate or love... root for them or against them but no baseball fan or player should have the ill intent of injuring another player and it be celebrated... the pitchers need to sack up and act like professional adults, boo-hoo you got homered on and bat flipped on, maybe stay focused on getting the strike outs since hitters cant bat flip on you if your not giving up HRs... and then do there fist bumps every strike out and for all i care throw there glove in the air after a no-hitter but dont be offended when someone celebrates the fact they just accomplished one of the toughest feats in professional sports... hit a HR off a professional pitcher.
If your team is down 8-0 and you hit a solo home run to make it 8-1 and you bat flip, you’re a clown. If it’s the bottom of the 7th and you’re down 5-2 and you hit a grand slam….yeah, okay, bat flip.
So if the pitcher strikes out a batter and enthusiastically fist pumps, does that batter get to throw his bat him his next time at the plate? 🤔
if u dont want the batter to do a bat flip then maybe dont throw a pitch that he can blast 430+ feet
Lauren Schehadi is one of the sexiest women this earth has ever graced.
She's pretty. Let's not go overboard.
I'm not against bat flips or emotion. But I agree with Leiter and DeRo about the timing. To me, there's just something a lot more intimidating about taking someone deep and acting like it's strictly business. Or striking out the side and walking off the mound cool and calm as can be. With that said, if you hit a walk off in the world series, you can use the bat as a pogo stick. If you hit a solo shot in the first inning...just act like you've been there before. No, people like me aren't sensitive to expression. We don't clench our fists and put holes in the wall, or whatever stupid exaggeration you want to make. If you want people to understand why it should be accepted to be overly expressive, then understand why others respect a more professional approach. If you want to slam your bat during a basic moment, you deal with the little 95 to the buttocks. If you hit a walk off to win the pennant, you l̶e̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶r̶i̶p̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶s̶h̶i̶r̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶ can celebrate how ever you want. It's always been part of baseball.
This sounds like a good question to ask Bumgarner.
Let the batter celebrate. If a pitcher can celebrate for a perfect game then a player should flip the bat when he hits a home run. And KBO and Nippon Professional Baseball does bat flip all the time. And it's funny that they think having a "disagreement" is saying that he's wrong or that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Lol
Dude, chill, it's not that serious. Plus, it's called change--it's the natural thing that happens over time.
Conservatives fear change. Literally proven by studies.
90% of these comments didn't watch the video.
THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE TO BAT FLIP (LIKE THEY SAID). THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE TO FIST PUMP. A 3RD INNING 2 RUN SHOT ON WEEK 2 OF THE SEASON IS NOT THE TIME OR PLACE. Jesus christ people have some pride in being humble.
There is never a time to throw at somebody intentionally. That is a punk move
It’s appropriate. Why am I so sure? He’s on my Fantasy roster. I need that sexy beast
Let them fight simple ... a lot of pitches will stop throwing at a batter if they know they going to get there ass kicked.
I was a great hitter all my life and I was also hit by many of pitches, I knew how to get hit and absorb the ball and none of those hit by pitches were on purpose. That being said it still hurt like a mug and these MLB pitchers are blatantly throwing at batters at way harder pitch velocity than I was ever hit by, I couldn’t even imagine.
Im 17 and i play baseball w friends and EVERY SINGLE HR we batfilp. We find a cool flip and use it bc its fun i could sit here and hit a ball and just put my head down like im scared to hurt a pitchers feelings but I don't. Let them HAVE FUN.
Button your coat when you stand up.
Mr. Tique this is my favorite comment in this comment section 😂
I want a 2-3 hour podcast of these four going over this topic. This was good, but short.
ro Flo hit the nail on the head there's less old heads in the mlb and it should be ok to hit a homer and show emotion without getting 95 in the back
If you hit a homerun of a guy I think you should be able to celebrate, as a pitcher if I give up a homerun and he batfilps I’ll be mad but at the end of the day I let him hit that homerun he can do whatever he wants.
Well said DeRo and Al Leiter!
Imagine agreeing with any of the bullshit that came out of their mouth
Me personally I love watching the bat flips, and I love seeing the retaliation too.
There is not a more delicate thing in sports then a pitcher's ego
This should settle the debate! Show some respect for the GAME!!!!
Hahaha Baseball players are such crybabies
Also minority players are normally the only players I see getting in “trouble” for bat flips 😑
Why can a pitcher show emotion when striking out a batter, but a batter can't show emotion when getting a hit.
RETIRED BASEBALL PLAYER ANGRY!!! MAKE BASEBALL GREAT AGAIN!! DONT DISRESPECT MY VIEWPOINT ROFLO!!
10/10 soap box speech from Mark, agreeing with the order up on the beanball to police inappropriate behavior during mid-season games
The vets should dictate what's appropriate, so never stop tellin' 'em, Mark. tell the new wave how it is, and how it should be, bring the soap box
Lauren is always looking beautiful
Whether you like em or not, bat flips look dope and make highlight reels that are entertaining.
Celebrating is needed in any team sport really. Fire up your team get them going.
Intentionally hitting a batter is worse than flipping a bat.
11:30 he was about to kill Robert LOL
His poor wife
Diet Poweraids Robert is an asshat.
DONT tell me my mindsets wrong Robert
As soon as Flores started talking, I could tell it was going south. Only a matter of time before he triggers one of them. Lol
"I'm emotionally bothered by that" well how do you think it feels getting hit by a 95 mph fast ball?
I don’t mind bat flips but they don’t need to be something where it happens every home run.
We need more of bat flips. Hockey is catching up to baseball for number 4 Football and basketball are kings