Wyrmspan Tales from Production
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In today's video I poke through various sample components we tested during the Wyrmspan design, development, and production process, sharing stories about what worked and what didn't work. Wyrmspan is designed by Connie Vogelmann, illustrated by Clementine Campardou, and published by Stonemaier Games.
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I love these production videos. The Dragon Facts book is the icing on the cake! I'm even more anxious to play this game now.
That dragon facts book seals the deal. That is such an amazing addition, I don’t know how I’ve missed it in previous conversations or posts.
There is so much effort spend in every little detail of a Stonemaier Game. (stackable metal coins, rounded game board corners a.s.o.)
Thats the reason why I just love these Games. Fantasitic games and marvellous game experience.
Thank you Jamey for your continous efforts and your work for delivering the best possible game expierence.
Thanks! It's a team effort here at Stonemaier Games to bring all these little details to life. :)
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By all means, a big and warm thank you to the whole Stonemaier Games team!
Realy happy with the plastic trays. I really support removing plastic bag and schrinkwarp. When it come to multiple use item I would rather use more durable item.
Thanks! Though plastic also isn’t always durable-unlike cardboard or sugarcane pulp, plastic can crack.
Thanks for sharing! Big fan of the "tales from production" concept!
Great video, thanks for the attention to the costumer. I am from Mexico and surely be buying this game as soon as possible
You should be very proud of your hard work.
Thanks! I'm more proud of designer Connie Vogelmann and artist Clementine Campardou, but I'm also happy to have contributed. :)
What a great peek behind the scenes! Thank you for sharing.
Love the production video. The eggs and trays are nice. Gets me more excited for the game. Very excited for the Dragon booklet as well.
Wow this was a very thorough behind the scenes of production! I love the transparency and environmental consciousness of this company! I don’t own any of your games I don’t think, but after a few play thru videos of Wyrmspan definitely will be pre ordering. Great Job!!!
Thank you! :)
The book of dragon facts is so cool and just a great bonus to what I’m sure will be a great game.
Oooohhh! Love those play mats! I have a play mat addiction! Hahah! I have loads, and have never had an issue with peeling. I prefer not have the edge stitching, personally.
Love these production videos
I really love the gold charity eggs for Wingspan, my hope is that we'll get a similar thing for Wyrmspan later but metallic SILVER eggs. Also, really happy to see there will be a dragon fact book. The tidbits of info on the Wingspan cards was my favorite part of the experience. Appreciate seeing some the design choices talked about in this video. Sad the playmat won't be stitched (although expected that since Wingspan's wasn't) and I do like the original metal coin design better, although I do like most of the other design choices. Quite excited for the game, hope I can secure a copy on the 31st.
That's a neat idea about silver eggs! I'll make a note of that for the future.
Great video, thank you for going so in depth. Really looking forward to ordering on the 31st.
I said to myself that I won't get playmats... but now I'm thinking one for me as I will be predominantly playing solo this is something I will splash out on, along with metal coins.
Really awesome insights into the process that you and those you work with go through. Thanks as ever for being so open and transparent about the decisions you make and why you make them. I'm really curious about the options you're looking into to replace shrink wrap - it does at the moment seem to be the one non-negotiable aspect to ensure that games arrive with no risk of water damage etc. Thanks for being so clear about why you made the decision on the egg tray, nice to hear how that decision was balanced.
Thanks! Here’s some info about options we’re exploring.
stonemaiergames.com/eco-friendly-components-and-a-great-user-experience-are-both-possible/
Thanks @@jameystegmaier that was an interesting read, again great to see that so much thought has gone into the process. I've just done some looking around at alternatives to shrink wrap, and it does look like there are perhaps some products out there being developed, though whether they are compatible with game factory production lines I wouldn't know. Linking one below.
I didn’t realize the playmats were meant to fit in the box, that’s a huge pro.
Would you consider showing the components (with a couple playmats) organized in the box so we can get an idea of what it would look like? Space efficiency/consolidation is a huge factor in my purchasing decisions so I tend to avoid getting more for a game than what will fit inside the base box.
I only have 1 playmat, so I’m not sure my photo will help. You’ll definitely have some box rise to fit multiple playmats
@@jameystegmaier Appreciate it!
@@jameystegmaier I asked the question higher but will the playmats have to be folded or will they be rolled in the box? Worried about folded creases.
I guess dragons collect treasures so that’s why you have coins, but I was thinking that they would be called dragon scales. I guess either work as long as no cards specifically mention the word coin.
I can't wait to play it!!
The only aesthetic I noticed while holding up cards. Something that was probably discussed in production. The dragon cards all have a "path" black jagged line that lines up with the board below. This line could have been the track color marker - having the red, gold, and purple path track run through the card would have removed the need for the color slot icons without really impacting the look of cards. The dragons would then appear to be visually in the world.
I do like how they are so clean and tidy though, card clutter is always a pet hate (for me).
Saw it in one of the review vids where the dragons are placed into the wrong cave row, more identifiable if it was stripe across the whole card. would it look cleaner - no idea. :)
@@WyvernWrath But it would not be color-blind friendly.
I definitely think that card tweak will save you a lot of queries, but if the "edge roughing" had stayed I wonder if it would hide *actual* wear over time, which could have been a nice impact ^^.
Thank you for continuing to work towards environmentally-friendly games! One of my favorite things about Stonemaier.
p.s. where can I get that hoodie?? :)
Thanks! The hoodie is from Meeple Crossing. It’s super comfy.
I appreciate having three different boards for modularity when playing on different sized tables. It really triggers me though that they are all different sizes so that there is no "neat" way to display them. To me it will always look messy or cluttered. Maybe in the future you could try designing one big, aesthetically pleasing board then chop it up. That way you can have the best of both worlds, separate boards that could fit together like a jigsaw puzzle.
I'd like to better understand this "trigger." What do the different sizes of the boards (each designed for different purposes) trigger in you? I ask this without judgment.
Take a look at Dune Imperium with its two expansions. The Ix and Tleilaxu boards are awkwardly shaped. With just some minor tweaking both boards could have been designed to sit nicely together along the top of the board so that it forms a rectangle when placed next to the main board. As it is, they always look out of place.
Tidal Blades, Hybris: Disordered Cosmos and Everdell are excellent example of how multiple boards can be designed to fit nicely together on a table.
Tapestry is another good example of how things can look nice. The three player boards (civ, income and city) all fit perfectly together, if they were all different heights it would look messy.
Long story short, if you release a playmat with all three boards combined nicely, I'll buy it in a heart beat 😁
I agree, different board sizes detract from the modular "flexibility" and perception of the game's sense of order. When boards vary in size, the available play space for each player around the table is likely different. I want all players to have the same game space to work in, and want the flexibility to locate certain boards near players who may prefer proximity to them (reading small text on round end goals, for example). Lastly, differing board sizes usually makes putting the game back into the box a chore; either some boards are free to rattle around, or uneven stacks of boards inside the box are inevitable.
All the same, I'm excited to see this game in person and eager for its release!
Can’t wait to play this game, looks amazing!
One question Jamey; are the cards in the same size as Wingspan cards?
Indeed, the dragon cards are the same size (57x87mm). The cave cards are 57x57mm.
Maybe having the board fold the way you prefer is because it’s more like a book, where the cover’s on the outside and the contents are on the inside?
That’s definitely part of it!
Sometimes I think you should have long white hair to look like Doc Brown. Especially when you are looking around for different pieces 🤣
I mean this as my deepest compliment because it shows your genuine passion for your product.
Hopefully someday my hair will reach that level of excellence!
Can't wait. When can we expect to see full gameplays? And is there an included box to hold all the cards?
Today! stonemaiergames.com/games/wyrmspan/media-reviews/
The cards are kept in bags (which are included).
@@jameystegmaier the gameplays look great. It's going to be painfull waiting for the 2nd half of the year for the Polish version :/
Are we expecting the upgrade kit to come back in stock, or was it a one and done? Played this at PAX and loved it!
Yep, everything we make is eligible for a reprint if there's enough demand for it. We started the reprint on the upgrade pack a few weeks ago and it will be back in stock in late summer. :)
Very insightful.
In regards to the double stitching for the playmats, I would've thought that it's more appropriate for TCGs? I wouldn't expect that many people would play the same board game as frequently as a TCG player would play their card game. Maybe people just expect the stitching as a mark of quality because of that even though it isn't necessary?
That might be it!
Extremely interesting video. I love hearing the stories and journey behind the game process. Wondering if there there will be custom sleeves as an add on at launch? Cheers
We make our cards from high quality ivory core, which doesn’t need sleeves; in general, we avoid making more plastic if possible. But there are plenty of options for sleeves from companies that specialize in them. :)
@@jameystegmaier Can you elaborate on "doesn't need sleeves"? Are you indicating that they cannot be marked or bent/creased, rubbed to show wear, or nicked? One or a combination of those impacts? Curious, because the only cards I know of that do not "need sleeves" under heavy use are PVC cards.
@@FemmeSensei I see your point--it's subjective. We use high-quality cardstock with linen embossing, and Wyrmspan isn't a game where you're shuffling the cards more than once per game. For me, that equates to a game that does not need sleeves, but I understand that others may believe differently.
@@jameystegmaier Your kindness and compassion is inspiring. Thanks for listening.
While discussing stitched/unstitched playmats you mentioned a scythe playmat. Did you misspeak or am I out of the loop on that ever existing?
Until recently we didn't have it on our webstore (only through another company), but now we feature it here: store.stonemaiergames.com/products/scythe-natural-rubber-playmat
Awesome!
I guess there won’t be eggs with Dragon scale designs 😢
We selected eggs with dragon-like colors, but eggs don’t have scales in this world. :)
Yeah, those dragon-egg fractal/texture patterns would have been so cool!
Maybe it’ll look different in person, but is it weird that only the meat deluxe token is screen printed?
That’s the only token that needed screen printing to clarify what it is. I don’t think it’s weird, but it’s fine if you do. :)
Hi Jamey. I've seen a few reviews of Wyrmspan and it is getting high praise, which is great however, i get the impression that said reviews point out flaws with Wingspan and therefore praise Wyrmspan for doing things better than Wingspan. I was wondering your thoughts on that. I feel as though they are compared too much when they are in fact, different games and I don't really like the comparisons with Wingspan and saying Wyrmspan is much better.
My hope is that each game will be judged separately for their own merits, but I also think reviewers are trying to serve the questions they anticipate from their audiences, which include the natural comparison between the two games.
Hi Jamey. I was wondering if the playmats will be folded when inside the box? Im tempted to get them as I love the idea of having an easier time picking up cards but unless they are rolled, I am worried they will form creases by being bent in half for instance and squished with other stuff. Was this tested? Or are the playmats going to be able to be rolled to put in the box?
You can roll or half fold them. There will be some box rise depending on how many you get and how you store them.
@@jameystegmaier Thanks. Box lift doesnt bother me too too much although I assume if there are expansions, this will add to the lift even more. I mostly am debating the mats vs the potential creases from squishing them in. I typically never consider playmats but if they fit in the box, that is a different deal.
That said, how often do you find yourself picking up cards from the mats while playing? In wingspan, once a bird was down, it was fairly rare to move or pick it up.
is it more common in wyrmspan?
@@rb4551 That's a good question. You'll never move cards in Wyrmspan, but you do lift them sometimes to tuck cards underneath (tucking is a little rarer than it is in Wingspan).
@@jameystegmaier greatly appreciated thanks.
The goal board looks much larger than the Wingspan one. Was that deliberate? Does it serve additional purposes so it needed to be bigger?
We were partially inspired by by Meeplesource’s goal board for Wingspan, which allows for bigger text. Plus, with more space we can remind players of the things they need to do at the end of each round.
Outside/inside: I've noticed that most game boards are printed on the "outside" of a fold, and I thought that was because the area around the fold can get creased over time, much worse on the "inside" than the outside. Indeed, I have one game whose board is on the inside, and it's looking terrible (but perhaps there are other reasons for that, as the production of that game is hit or miss). Are you worried having the player board "inside" will create more wear on the printed side? (To be fair, I've not noticed any issues at all with the Wingspan player boards.)
Wear & tear art: I can see why you removed that, as if you were constantly getting distracted by it definitely others would as well. But I would think in some circumstances "wear and tear" art is actually a good way to future-proof against being distracted by wear and tear. The more "rustic" art is, the less glaring dings and dents are later. (And for many games with a historic or fantasy theme, a rustic look is consistent.) I think it was Darwin's Journey the other day where I checked a couple of times to make sure I hadn't spilled anything on the rule book, as the rule book pages have art that suggests Darwin was a little sloppy around his diary. ;) I like the look, but I guess I was doing that "double checking" thing you were doing with the cards.
I was more concerned about the opposite (scratches and marks on the outside if we had folded them the other way.)
Will sleeved cards fit into the games storage? Apologies for bringing up the use of more plastic.
Sure! The only built-in storage are the egg and resource containers.
@@jameystegmaierTalking about sleeving cards: are there square sleeves in commerce which fit the cave cards? I usually sleeve cards when they are meant to be shuffled as it is the case with Wyrmspan. Ty for the vid 😊.
@@s.d.d.6063 I think MayDay has a few options for square cards (the cards are 57x57mm).
Is there any plans for a digital version?
We’re hoping that Monster Couch (Wingspan Digital) will license it for digital.
@@jameystegmaier Board Game Arena would be much more better. The Wingspan Digital program is problematic with how parts of it are implemented. I mean, that's just one voice...
@@FemmeSensei Eventually (in 2-3 years) we'll hope to have both options, like for Wingspan. For now our focus is actual tabletop play--that's what the game is designed for.
@@jameystegmaier I love your games and I just believe that the BGA is way more true to your ACTUAL game. I don't just play games on BGA, I own the games that I play on there :). Like Wingspan. And my Nesting Box. And all the expansions. :)
Thank you so much for your kind consideration, and for being you.
So when is the expansion out? 😁
We're excited about Wyrmspan, but we're focusing on the release of the game first, then we'll discuss internally if we'd like to consider an expansion.
Tell me that hoodie is for sale somewhere! 😎
It is! Meeple Crossing. :)
@@jameystegmaier Hmmmm... maybe it's out of stock? I don't see it on the meeplescrossing site... 😥
@@BoardGameCasualChannel Sorry, I thought you were talking about this: www.meeplescrossing.com/products/pre-order-camping-board-games-adult-hoodie
We don't currently have the Stonemaier hoodie.
@@jameystegmaier Bummer! I've actually been looking for a Stonemaier logo hoodie for a while, and remember searching years ago... (Candidly, attire that's super "gamey" isn't really my jam, but I'd definitely rock a clean company logo. Food for thought, in case you plan on selling them in the future. 😎)
Can we start a gofundme page for you to get a new camera??? Love your content but this camera quality is starting to hurt my eyes.
The camera is 4k-it’s the recoding software, Streamyard, not the camera. I’ve upgraded it for future videos to 1080p recording.
@@jameystegmaier Fantastic!