Welcome back to another episode of "Anatomy of..." Today we're looking at the 2021 V8 Superutes prototype. Introduced in 2018 the Supertes is a support category to the Supercars - Australia's biggest racing series (equivalent to the American NASCAR series). With a chassis sourced from either Mitsubishi Triton, Toyota Hilux, Ford Ranger or Mazda BT50 the Superutes were originally powered by diesel engines but that's about to change. For 2021 the Superutes will be fitted with an LS3 V8 powerplant controlled by a Haltech ECU. We take a closer look at the development vehicle for the series to see what secrets lie behind those steel, factory panels.
Awesome to see Haltech as a major sponsor on a series run at the top tier of motorsport in Australia! Honestly think your involvement will bring more viewership to the series. I know I'll be watching!
The Chev sounds good and the horsepower makes them move around a lot more, which is good to watch. Who could have guessed circuit racing wasn't going to be the best showcase for turbo-diesel dual-cabs?!
Scotty! Awesome to see in the new ute and everytime has done a brilliant job to improve these cars, but I need to be a bit of a pedant ... All intensive purposes? 'All intents and purposes'!
The diesel version of these were what killed it for me. Hell I watched the Supercars telecast for the 1 tonner racing for over 5y. Great to see it find a happy balance, let's see how it goes.
@@haltech While it has control engines etc, its great to see more than 2 manufacturers throwing cars around a track. Sigh- i miss the old touring cars...
These are driving billboards. They introduced them for no reason but to line their pockets, only for the fans to hate them. They are the opposite of a race car. Didn't last 5 minutes. Put a v8 in it and the peasants will be happy, right?
Scott, where I come from (New York), a Ute is someone under the age of 18... Questions: Will the ECU be sealed (or USB Blocked) by the officials? What fuel is being used? Is Bob really your uncle?
@@cropduster9571 I was speaking in the vernacular, where youth w/b pronounced "Ute"... Did you ever see "My Cousin Vinnie"? Profound Brooklyn accent. I thought a Ute was sedan based, a la our El Camino or Ford Ranchero. Just messing with you. I have a mate from Adelaide that corrects my English ;)
The ECU will indeed be locked, the SuperUtes are running on pump 98 and Bob's mum must have been quite popular in her youth as Bob seems to be everybody's uncle.
I hope they make a conversion kit available for this ls3 swap (if there isn't one already) if the 4n15 ever gives up the ghost, this will definately for consideration
I am wondering if you guys could Implement a throttle strategy for deceleration. I use this strategy on my work truck where in the case of deceleration, I cut injector power and hold the throttle to the floor to turn the engine into an air compressor. I know there is a debate over using High engine vacuum versus compressing air for engine diesel, but the benefit of compressing air is more cold air volume through the engine to cool it down and potentially less oil consumption. What do you guys think? I would like to unavailable input on the program for Full Throttle deceleration in a race mode where it cuts Fuel and the drive-by wire goes to 100% throttle.
Hi Christian, this would not be useful in a petrol engine especially for racing as petrol engines are controlled by how much air we allow in, not fuel as with a diesel. If your throttle was wide open and you then slightly touch the throttle mid corner, you would need to bring the throttle all the way down from 100% to a low throttle opening for long enough to see vaccum back at your MAP sensor prior to re-enabling the injectors otherwise you risk making the return to power too aggressive. Additionally, when you compress air it will get hotter so the cooling gains would be limited. Typically what we do in a race car is that we disable the decel cut on the fuel injectors and use the fuel to cool the engine when there is insufficient air for combustion. This is the strategy that is being employed on the ute, however one of the goals for making the ute look and sound good going around the circuit was to have flames coming out of the exhaust on decel. This required commanding a higher throttle opening than we normally would in order to keep some air passing through the engine. The down side of this made the engine continue to produce some amount of power and push forward instead of engine braking as much as you would normally see. After feedback from the driver we reduced the throttle opening under deceleration to a more comfortable level, while keeping as much as possible going through for a bit of a flame show. As with many parts of tuning, the solution for a particular vehicle is normally a set of compromises to find the best balance and behaviour for what the vehicle needs to do.
@@vaughnhaltech1069 yeah I knew it would be a touchy subject for racing applications. You would have to apply significant amount of timing retard while re-engaging normal throttle operation. Just throw the idea out there. I do use this strategy on a Spark engine by the way. What I have found out about compressing air is obviously there is a percentage of that compression Heat that is transferred to the engine parts but there is also a heat reduction when you uncompress it during a no fuel Powerstroke Nice to meet you Vaughn! keep up the good work
@@vaughnhaltech1069 if you want more flames, you could try advancing the timing a little more during closed throttle deceleration conditions. The higher the vacuum level in the combustion chamber will create such a low ionization voltage at the spark plug gap that there's borderline enough heat there to light air fuel creating intermittent misfires
I hate people that hate on LS's. There's a reason they're so popular. If you want to build a street car, cool. Put a weird engine it. Race cars though, need performance per pound and proven parts and reliability. If you hate the LS, go build your own unique car...
Love the technical stuff guys and would be awesome for a street conversion but V8 racing and running the same gear in all the vehicles is boring as hell. Miss the days of manufacturers putting their best into a product and showing off why they are better, if you want to see driver Vs driver watch F1 cause all this is doing is taking away the ingenuity that use to be apart of racing.
Cant see whats the atraction in the race of watching a 4 door triton LS conversion or not.. whats next YAY a great wall won the last series.. that blokes foton with a blown eco tec did well.. styro foam cup racing is coming soon isnt it..
This is SHIT! just run brute utes Holden and fords as they were...its genuine.. these things arent real no one buys them for racing or speed like the old utes.... their off road campers not race track market...F'd in the headddd
Honestly I think they would have been smarter to go with the diesel engines like the mad units racing in Thailand. That would have been far more relevant
Still trying to flog this crap hey, not Ute's, motoring journalists generally loathe these things, how are dual cabs with an atrocious centre of gravity, anywhere near a race track, once again the powers to be are insulting our intelligence, they just want to make this platform work for commercial reasons, just mobile advertising billboards for me.
Rubbish series Motorsport is dying a slow and painful death in Australia. No disrespect to Tuning Fork or Haltec love everything they are about. Just depressed about the state of things post AUDM death.
Ls3 or 7 are the best stock engine ever built. Until electric shits on it. Manual gearbox electric 700 hp is going to be more reliable and make more torque. It sounds dumb but ill see u in 15 years when that's all we have to drive
Sr 2j 4age 1j 2zz any v6 and even coyote v8.. everything sucks compared. Why does anyone use anything else. Waste of time and money. Use the best. Ls the world
Welcome back to another episode of "Anatomy of..." Today we're looking at the 2021 V8 Superutes prototype.
Introduced in 2018 the Supertes is a support category to the Supercars - Australia's biggest racing series (equivalent to the American NASCAR series).
With a chassis sourced from either Mitsubishi Triton, Toyota Hilux, Ford Ranger or Mazda BT50 the Superutes were originally powered by diesel engines but that's about to change. For 2021 the Superutes will be fitted with an LS3 V8 powerplant controlled by a Haltech ECU.
We take a closer look at the development vehicle for the series to see what secrets lie behind those steel, factory panels.
one of the best this reminds me of the scca jeep racing. thank you so much love to know how the suspension setup.
Very informative with the usual step by step explanations, cheers.
Not going to lie.. that is what a triton should sound like! If only they did a LS HSV version of the Colorado
@@StatiXonfirE I think Harrop does one, by god it is good and still 4wd.
Great video, well done to all involved. What are the specs of the controlled cam please? What RPM do these controlled engines run to?
Awesome to see Haltech as a major sponsor on a series run at the top tier of motorsport in Australia! Honestly think your involvement will bring more viewership to the series. I know I'll be watching!
Its surprising pretty cool, glad the V8 is back, with the noise and flames 👌🏻👍🏻
Great Video Scott, so good they've gone V8 in this category!! Should be good racing.
The Chev sounds good and the horsepower makes them move around a lot more, which is good to watch. Who could have guessed circuit racing wasn't going to be the best showcase for turbo-diesel dual-cabs?!
Something tells me this type of conversion is going to be big in the future
Awesome to see big flames being produced too, its part of the theatre :D
How cool is that! Would love to see a Mitsubishi engine but oh well, just grateful to have anything really. Great vid!
Looks and sounds freaking awesome! 2021 we're almost there can't wait to see it racing ☺☺☺.
Scotty! Awesome to see in the new ute and everytime has done a brilliant job to improve these cars, but I need to be a bit of a pedant ... All intensive purposes? 'All intents and purposes'!
The diesel version of these were what killed it for me.
Hell I watched the Supercars telecast for the 1 tonner racing for over 5y. Great to see it find a happy balance, let's see how it goes.
Brilliant tech! Beautiful truck. I certainly hope the team is able to run.
1 up for the "LS The World" Crew👀👀👀
Go Haltech ,Team Sydney, Sydney Motorsport Park and NSW Government for supporting the NSW motor racing industry.
I am very excited about this new car package
Race on Sunday and sell on Monday!
The idea of a V8 ute isn't such a far off thing if an LS can be fettled to fit in such a tight space.
Great video Thanks
this reminds me of the early 90s racing utes.
Damn!!! that is a cool ride
Far more exciting than whatever is being flogged off as V8 Supercars these days
Having been to a few practice sessions - can confirm they're actually fun to watch!
@@haltech While it has control engines etc, its great to see more than 2 manufacturers throwing cars around a track.
Sigh- i miss the old touring cars...
^^ ditto re touring cars.
I love Tritons 😍😍😍
I have no idea what this is trying to be. But I want one lol.
These are driving billboards. They introduced them for no reason but to line their pockets, only for the fans to hate them. They are the opposite of a race car. Didn't last 5 minutes.
Put a v8 in it and the peasants will be happy, right?
Scott, where I come from (New York), a Ute is someone under the age of 18... Questions: Will the ECU be sealed (or USB Blocked) by the officials? What fuel is being used? Is Bob really your uncle?
A youth is someone under 18, the term Ute comes from coupe utility. You folks call the pick ups or trucks
@@cropduster9571 I was speaking in the vernacular, where youth w/b pronounced "Ute"... Did you ever see "My Cousin Vinnie"? Profound Brooklyn accent. I thought a Ute was sedan based, a la our El Camino or Ford Ranchero. Just messing with you. I have a mate from Adelaide that corrects my English ;)
The ECU will indeed be locked, the SuperUtes are running on pump 98 and Bob's mum must have been quite popular in her youth as Bob seems to be everybody's uncle.
I hope they make a conversion kit available for this ls3 swap (if there isn't one already) if the 4n15 ever gives up the ghost, this will definately for consideration
Awesome. So I can shove a LS3 in my triton lol
When you do - we want to see pictures!!!
The list of things you can't shove an LS in seems to be shorter.
Yeah I was thinking the same with a Holden rodeo or a hayabusa in a Toyota rush
@@haltech @mightycarmods Marty, Moog you know what you now must do.
We are not allowed "Green Coolant" for circuit racing. (extra slippery when wet)
It may be just green rust inhibitor.
Very nice
I am wondering if you guys could Implement a throttle strategy for deceleration. I use this strategy on my work truck where in the case of deceleration, I cut injector power and hold the throttle to the floor to turn the engine into an air compressor. I know there is a debate over using High engine vacuum versus compressing air for engine diesel, but the benefit of compressing air is more cold air volume through the engine to cool it down and potentially less oil consumption. What do you guys think? I would like to unavailable input on the program for Full Throttle deceleration in a race mode where it cuts Fuel and the drive-by wire goes to 100% throttle.
Hi Christian, this would not be useful in a petrol engine especially for racing as petrol engines are controlled by how much air we allow in, not fuel as with a diesel. If your throttle was wide open and you then slightly touch the throttle mid corner, you would need to bring the throttle all the way down from 100% to a low throttle opening for long enough to see vaccum back at your MAP sensor prior to re-enabling the injectors otherwise you risk making the return to power too aggressive. Additionally, when you compress air it will get hotter so the cooling gains would be limited. Typically what we do in a race car is that we disable the decel cut on the fuel injectors and use the fuel to cool the engine when there is insufficient air for combustion. This is the strategy that is being employed on the ute, however one of the goals for making the ute look and sound good going around the circuit was to have flames coming out of the exhaust on decel. This required commanding a higher throttle opening than we normally would in order to keep some air passing through the engine. The down side of this made the engine continue to produce some amount of power and push forward instead of engine braking as much as you would normally see. After feedback from the driver we reduced the throttle opening under deceleration to a more comfortable level, while keeping as much as possible going through for a bit of a flame show. As with many parts of tuning, the solution for a particular vehicle is normally a set of compromises to find the best balance and behaviour for what the vehicle needs to do.
@@vaughnhaltech1069 yeah I knew it would be a touchy subject for racing applications. You would have to apply significant amount of timing retard while re-engaging normal throttle operation. Just throw the idea out there. I do use this strategy on a Spark engine by the way. What I have found out about compressing air is obviously there is a percentage of that compression Heat that is transferred to the engine parts but there is also a heat reduction when you uncompress it during a no fuel Powerstroke
Nice to meet you Vaughn! keep up the good work
@@vaughnhaltech1069 if you want more flames, you could try advancing the timing a little more during closed throttle deceleration conditions. The higher the vacuum level in the combustion chamber will create such a low ionization voltage at the spark plug gap that there's borderline enough heat there to light air fuel creating intermittent misfires
Awesome
I hate people that hate on LS's. There's a reason they're so popular. If you want to build a street car, cool. Put a weird engine it. Race cars though, need performance per pound and proven parts and reliability. If you hate the LS, go build your own unique car...
yes Yes YES, the door bashing v8 utes are back.
Jingle Bells
That big v8 smells
Flying down the straights
the ultimate bogan racing event
That was the old v8 utes tbh
This gives me an idea...
How much power does this thing make?
What oil do they use
Is there a ride height limit? The ride height seems obsurd for a circuit car.
They may end up being lower, possibly with a different wheel and tyre package. This one is just the prototype, remember.
Should be a factory option from Mitsubishi!
Ffs I don't think any Japanese manufacturers put v8s in their utes. Stop trying to talk down on Mitsubishi
@@goosebee FFS. I'm dreaming it's a wish if you cannot see that you take the world much to seriously. BTW the Land Cruiser ute has a V8 mate.
@@goosebee Toyota tundra ,Landcruiser
I’d be down with that
Americans who like this need to check out the Explorer Sport Trac Adrenalin package from 2008-2010.
Ken oath that's the go
Australia intensifies.
Mitzy!!!
Love the technical stuff guys and would be awesome for a street conversion but V8 racing and running the same gear in all the vehicles is boring as hell. Miss the days of manufacturers putting their best into a product and showing off why they are better, if you want to see driver Vs driver watch F1 cause all this is doing is taking away the ingenuity that use to be apart of racing.
Show me the part that makes it roll when it sees a corner...
Block of flats handling.
This is the future of fast rwd family cars now that they dont make commodores and falcons
Way off topic I truly wonder who pissed off the man turning fork off...looks like he did a swift right hook LOL
Rumour has it he fought a pack of wild dingoes....
@@haltech haha 🤔🤣
GM LS power yet no Holden or Isuzu? Somebody's taking the piss
Pretty sure you can also use the current Isuzu or Colorado chassis.
I’ve just that Isuzu will be homologated a well.
Cant see whats the atraction in the race of watching a 4 door triton LS conversion or not.. whats next YAY a great wall won the last series.. that blokes foton with a blown eco tec did well.. styro foam cup racing is coming soon isnt it..
"styro foam cup racing is coming soon..." it's not coming - it's already here! ruclips.net/video/tOTPVuj1mbc/видео.html
I liked the diesel, they just needed to blow soot
Semi automated air assist ride hight.
The EVO Ute
Needs more low and some photoshop aero. But closer to the original concept than those diesel nuggets
As great as this episode is i just cant/ wont call them utes, my Australianess wont permit it...
We hear you mate... sadly with the Commodores and Falcons gone that's the closest to a ute we're going to get.
@@haltech yeh i know 😥
Hey what happened to the hand? I saw it was wrapped on mcms last viedeo
Scott insists he injured it while fighting a pack of wild dingoes but we have our doubts about his version of the events.....
@@haltech 🤣 bloody dingoes... 👍🏼
Non Aussie here... I thought a Ute was a truck?
tr6060*
This is SHIT! just run brute utes Holden and fords as they were...its genuine.. these things arent real no one buys them for racing or speed like the old utes.... their off road campers not race track market...F'd in the headddd
If it looks like a truck its a truck right?
no arguments here.
A Mitsubishi Colorado.
Honestly I think they would have been smarter to go with the diesel engines like the mad units racing in Thailand. That would have been far more relevant
They did, for two seasons. It wasn't well received. Hence the change to an LS.
Still trying to flog this crap hey, not Ute's, motoring journalists generally loathe these things, how are dual cabs with an atrocious centre of gravity, anywhere near a race track, once again the powers to be are insulting our intelligence, they just want to make this platform work for commercial reasons, just mobile advertising billboards for me.
Rubbish series Motorsport is dying a slow and painful death in Australia.
No disrespect to Tuning Fork or Haltec love everything they are about. Just depressed about the state of things post AUDM death.
Nope.
K&N filters are horrible garbage.
Ls3 or 7 are the best stock engine ever built. Until electric shits on it. Manual gearbox electric 700 hp is going to be more reliable and make more torque. It sounds dumb but ill see u in 15 years when that's all we have to drive
Sr 2j 4age 1j 2zz any v6 and even coyote v8.. everything sucks compared. Why does anyone use anything else. Waste of time and money. Use the best. Ls the world
Supercars have been flogging the so called 'Superutes' for years...but they have always been a lame duck class... Time to shelve them...