Skytear Horde Review | I saw it differently
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2024
- Skytear Horde is one of the top solo deck construction games released recently. Heck, it's one of the few solo deck construction games out there. Is that causing people to see it in a more positive light than it deserves? Is Skytear Horde worthy of a spot on your shelf? I dive into those topics in this video.
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First video of yours that I have found and watched. I love the honesty. Subbed!
I bounced off this game for exactly the reasons you said. Thanks for articulating them-I thought I was the only one who felt this way.
it's weird! kickstarter games often get sort of a pass, but I've never seen such a positive reception for such an meh game. I'm also glad to be hearing from people like yourself that maybe I'm not just crazy
Thanks for the review. This has, for quite a while, been in the back of my mind, occasionally bubbling to the surface. As an old guard MtG player, I'm always looking for that itch to be scratched as well. This was just enough info to understand that I can leave this one behind. For a 2p experience, I really enjoy Mindbug. For solo, Ashes Reborn with the Red Rains expansions is worth a look. And, of course, Arkham Horror LCG is amazing for me, solo or cooperative.
I'm going to have to check out Ashes Reborn eventually
I recently got Arkham Horror LCG, but how expensive the campaign + Investigator sets are puts me off from expanding for the moment until I play much more of it
@@CGoody564 each FF LCG has its strengths and weaknesses. One strength Marvel Champions has is that because the scenarios are "villains", and the heroes are all big personalities and extremely varied, as you increase your collection, you'll want to play each villain over with each of your heroes. I don't think this is the case with scenarios in AHLCG. Each time I beat a villain in MC, I wanted to face them again with a different hero. So for value, I think MC wins, and it makes the expense easier to swallow.
But whichever ones you decide to try, your decision to play the core sets a bunch before deciding to invest much more is a smart one!
Did you try the Raid Rains expansions of Ashes Reborn? People are also raving about those, but I would like to hear another opinion like yours.
That's so crazy that you asked that: I have it on my table and spent last evening learning the rules! I plan to try it tonight. I'll be posting an unimpressive unboxing video soon (unimpressive since it's basically a bunch of cards)
Is it a deck construction game, or a preconstructed deck game? The term deck construction game isn't one I'm familiar with. Considering it doesnt come with hundreds of cards to choose from for each faction or have booster boxes available, this isn't what comes to mind when I think of deck construction.
When I think of deckbuilders, I'm thinking Aeons End, Marvel Champions, any of the Renegade Studios deckbuilding games, etc. When I think of "deck construction", I think of TCG's like MTG, Pokemon, Flesh and Blood, etc.
Edit: this is why you dont comment halfway through a video 😅 (its gonna happen regularly; sue me)
As one of those completionist suckers, cardboard is either gonna' bankrupt me or be the death of me.
It is a deck construction game, but it comes organized into 40 card decks, kind of like heroes in Marvel Champions and investigators in Arkham Horror come preconstructed. But with those, the best decks are definitely modified, while here, I don't know if you can do better than the preconstructed. However, it's even easier to mix these cards up than in magic the gathering, as there's only one sort of mana, so you don't need to worry about having different land types. I just don't see it being worthwhile.
I think you've gotten the idea, but deckbuilding is different from deck construction. Yes, Aeon's End is a deckbuilder, but Marvel champions is deck construction, as you build the deck before going in. You can use whatever you want (within the bounds of the rules) without being bound by the constraints of what the market offers.
@@JAlanRykerGames I wasn't aware you could do customized decks in Marvel Champions. I thought you only had the preconstructed hero decks to begin the game. (I haven't played that one myself yet, hence the confusion).
Aside from fundamentally misunderstanding Marvel Champions entirely (🤦🏻♂️), I think I generally get the difference between deck-building and deck construction. Lord knows I've been fucking around with cards long enough that I should know.
If you can't really do better than the preconstructed decks... Yikes. That's terrible design. Might as well make it a preconstructed game and design around that if that's where it ended up.
Thanks for this. I've been bouncing between this and Ashes. For some reason Marvel Champions was a miss for me gameplay wise. I really cannot explain why, as I loved both Arkham Horror and Lord of the Rings LCG. I think this just nudges me towards Ashes more, especially since Team Covenant is selling a $40 set that includes everything you need to start Ashes solo PVE.
I've noticed that people very often bounce off one or another FFLCG really hard, even when they love one or two, and even though they're all critically acclaimed and widely beloved. I think it's a sign that FF has decided to take a successful formula but make distinct games, which is great. And really, when you're already into one or two expensive LCGs, it's kind of nice to feel like you can escape the third!
My thought is that unless you're looking for something very light, you're making the right choice going with ashes (my uninformed opinion as I haven't played it). I had no idea about that deal. I'm going to have to look into it, thanks!
I really enjoy the puzzle of Skytear horde. It took me 3-4 plays to really see how the game was for me. I feel like this is a easier setup and tear down game than MC. I backed the original campaign and the newest gamefound campaign as well. I really feel it is great as is. I haven't felt the need to deck construct because I enjoyed the decsk as is. Marvel champions is a much harder game to table just from the sheer amount if content. Deckbuidling for that game has almost become overwhelming to me. I have both and am excited for the monolith expansion to come for this later in the year. MC has roughly 260 cards in a big box expansion and this has about that. MC big box has a 44.99 msrp so I think the pricing us about spit on for this product. I felt the rulebook was really rough at actually explaining how to play horde, but once I got it up and understood it it became a game I love to play. I even painted the minions from the skytear bade game just to use with skytear Horde. Thanks for the channel and the honest reviews. Keep up the great work.
glad it's working for you!
Oh, and thanks for the details on why you're enjoying it. someone who reads this and wants something a bit lighter than mc and who's happy playing the preconstructed decks (which I think are nicely differentiated and fun) is a good target audience.
@@JAlanRykerGames yeah I have MC and like it, bit it's not always what I want to bite into after a long days work!
It seems the big mistake here was marketing it as a deck-construction game rather than not making a compelling game in of itself. They just tried marketing it to the wrong people.
Well, I would say that, but considering how popular it seemingly is... 🤷🏻♂️
Have you had the opertunity to play legacy of wu?
No, I'm very interested in it, near the top of the list, but I'm on a game buying moratorium until I see less shrink wrap on my shelves. Unless I find something at a really great deal (I'm so weak) 😅
Yu?
Yeah I tried this game and didn't like it that much either. The minions don't make much sense and I'd rather have each deck you face do different things besides the minions being there all the time. It's an "ok" game but that isn't enough these days.
Yeah, you're right. I find the minions are strangely incongruous with the other more traditional enemies, too
not everyone was positive...
um no the combo's are too rare and too primitive. There's just no game there.
I paid almost $100 for the deluxe on GF, and sold it for $50. The plastic chips were too slippery as well. It might be worth it for some MtG fanatic that wants to explore everything out there.
Yeah, that hurts. It really looked like a good one. One thing that I didn't mention in the review but that I've been thinking about is that it seems like they wanted to go fully for lanes instead of a tableau, and that just restricted things too much, and caused that feeling I had where things weren't building. In a deckbuilder, you're building your deck. In a FF LCG, you're at least building your tableau, even if you aren't able to attack the enemy, and that feels like progress.
@@JAlanRykerGames well, at some point considering the loss in those kickstarters as "cost of tutelage" starts getting ridiculous, the lesson I drew first was
1. avoid first editions at all costs;
That didn't work, second editions weren't good enough either. So the final lesson is:
2. ignore wannabe influencers (unsubscribe) for falsely advertising positively games they don't even understand fully.
3. avoid crowdfunding altogether.
It's someone else's dream, let someone else's money go to waste, I've had my fill. And fever dreams at that, not polished gems that had years of polishing behind them.
For STH deluxe, the rulebook was pretty bad, I had to add in all kinds of clarifications discussed in their Discord, and a new RB was compiled and published, but even so, it's a card game.
A card game with no combos and no way to stimulate or enforce synergy. It would benefit from more deck manipulating abilities. Maybe it's just too euro, card games that work are mostly US-based.
The best criterion so far with any product incoming is: would it win from the competition for my time and table, and you clearly see when something should just go.
Congrats on this video, it's important to warn others.
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@@JAlanRykerGames when you are so stuck to the idea of theming it like a MOBA that you lose sight of what is supposed to be mechanically appealing in your card game to begin with
@@kosterix123 crowdfunding definitely relies on hopefulness, so that as I've gotten burnt by more games, I've become less and less interested in it. I think it still has a place in board games, but I do wish it wasn't so prominent
@@CGoody564 yeah, honestly, that's a good summation. And games that went with thematic mechanisms instead of fun mechanisms is probably a really good topic... Good thoughts!