***** They are basically the same person. By that I mean they are both high end military trained (Punisher was a NAVY seal - while this guy was a military tactician). They both have experience with military hardware, weaponry, body armor, explosives, and are anti-heros that realize the justice system is a piece of shit in this country...oh, and they both lost their loved ones (families) due to horrible crimes by sociopaths.
+TheMovieDoctorful Thing is though the Punisher killed bad people. Clyde killed people who he thought failed were guilty simply to make a point. While we can sympathize with him if you look at it with perspective killing the people he killed without darby was really pointless and unnecessary.
HighAnders I think the proper ending would have been his bomb succeeding but he still dies cause i think in the end he would want to. I mean the fact they set him up to be so smart really is kinda broken when they manage to remove the bomb and put it in his cell so easily i mean you would think he would have some sort of safety for it if it was moved.
+HighAnders Agree, creators ware pussies for not going thought with their original plans. Some people may whine, but I think that similarly to The boondock saints, most people would have loved it.
+212sportsman1 Not to mention, he corrected the problem that was Foxx's character. Made him realize that he was wrong for cutting the deal and reminding him what the justice system is supposed to be about.
It's not that the law cna be stupid, it's the fact that there's too much "grey zones" where people exploits them. Lawyers and judges, most of them, think only like a machine, a machine made only of rules that is a Law system. And like any machines, it can be hacked. That's why a real law use logic and rules of a civilised nation. Not just the rules that are so easy to play with. And that's how alot of people Win and walk freely. Which really pisses me off day by day...
Can't prove nodding your head on tape, and nodding is a tick some people have when acknowledging they heard the speaker. As for saying yes, he followed it up immediately with his responses.
@@mini_pypermaru They had video of clyde as well though, and a prosecutor would likely say something to the effect of "Let the record show that the defendant nodded." if it were a real case, but that's hollywood for you.
***** I agree with him that the system is broken to all hell. His methods are just as bad as the criminals he hates, but the idea behind them is noble. Basically, he looked into the abyss and blinked.
TimedRevolver No matter what system of government we have there are going to be people that find ways to abuse it. The checks and balances that we have seem better than anything anyone else is proposing. Unless you have a better idea.
naved0589 actually they didn't outsmarted him, someone who worked with him fucked him up and for obvious reasons he didn't know about it so because of his condition of being isolated.
***** Nah, we wanted him to win. It was the only logical ending. We didn't care if he survived because he didn't care, either, but they should have fulfilled his promise of the end being 'biblical'.
I think what I like best about this scene, is that Butler looks so docile and fragile when he is being questioned. Then he just changes face, and its like, sit down, because shit's about to get real....
😄 Spot on. One thing though Fox's character didn't shit himself when he was told to cancel his 1230 lunch with the judge. I know I would've I'd be shouting at him in a low gruff voice and slamming his head against the table "WHERE IS SHE" oh wait , wrong movie.
This. Brilliant character. Best Gerard Butler movie character to date. “…. So I changed it to something a little more….Deliberate.”☠️💉 lol Or when he bludgeons his cellmate with the steak bone, and casually lays in his cot rests his hands behind his head covered in blood and goes, “Warden I need a shower.”
Marie Philogene Nah. Nick could die but his wife and kid are innocent. I also don’t think Clyde would go through with it. Did he kill people? Yes, but he wasn’t a psycho who craved bloodshed. He was tactical and specific with actual purpose
@@couragew6260 he killed multiple people who didnt have anything to do with his case or the "system". A bunch of lawyers, people who were even on his side like jamie foxx's senior lawyer.
But that's the thing - no one is the protagonist in this movie. Its very ambivalence, the fact that the movie presents a situation and allows you, the viewer, to decide where the lines should be drawn is what makes the movie so brilliant. It's profoundly cerebral.
***** Not at all. But his abhorrence for the judiciary system that wronged him in such a life-altering way is a far cry from incomprehensible, if you ask me. The death of the innocent people were deaths he felt needed to occur in order to achieve his ultimate goal of bringing down the "diseased, corrupt temple" of the system. Though, I'd say the only person he killed that didn't deserve to die was Sarah, Jamie Foxx's blonde assistant.
***** Of course his actions weren't justified. But he did have his reasons for committing them, as I stated in my previous comment. As for causing trauma to Nick's wife and kids, I doubt he intended for them to see the video he sent to Nick's home.
@@JMR_2028 wanna see what you'll do when your wife and daughter were taken from you by 2 scum of the earth and then get kicked in the teeth by the 'justice' system that lets the killer 100% off the hook to save its own face. You'll have nothing left to live for except getting your own justice. Granted, he goes overboard, but at every turn he gives the prosecutor the chance to do the right thing and again and again he doesn't
"It's not what you know, it's about what you can prove in court." Best advice I've heard in a while. I mean, that makes a lot of sense though I suppose Clyde was commenting on how most justice systems work (and exposing a loophole)
Not onnly that but if you would watch the actual movie you would know its a reapeated quote that exact thing Jamie foxx said to Gerard Butler when he made a deal with the killer of his wife and daughter to get a death penalty to his crime assistant (but the guy that got away with a few years sentance on that deal was the one who decided to kill them ) during the bulgrary that they did. ruclips.net/video/73ihGNZMjOU/видео.html here you got it.
The state has killed innocents in the past. That's enough evidence I need to take Clyde's words to heart. "The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime." - Max Stirner
@Anthony Beatty And that's one of the reasons why I don't like Foxx as an actor. That and his acting feels very boring & monotonous. His portrayal of Django literally sounds and feels just like Nick in this movie.
Wow, I didn't know that about Jamie Foxx. Never watching nor recommending another movie with him in it ever again. What an ego-maniac who ruined what could have been a classic on par with The Usual Suspects.
I disagree. I found a fanmade ending, that consisted of two bombs. That way, he followed his words about "tearing this whole system down over your heads. it's going to be biblical". Referance to Samson, who died while he tore a temple down over himself and his enemies.
I’m so glad to see I’m not the only one who was so angry Clyde didn’t win at the end lol they really botched that ending for such a great and original screenplay. Intelligent dialogue, good violence, great cast.
Clyde DID win. He taught Nick to never make deals with killers. He proved it when Nick effectively killed Clyde. Clyde himself seemed satisfied with the outcome
@@PrestigeLearning from that angle yes he was satisfied with the work he had done, but he didn’t live happily ever after is what I’m saying. Would have been cooler imo if he pulled off one more brilliant twist and ended up at peace with his families death in a new life somewhere
Can we take a moment to appreciate and analyze gerard and jamie foxs chemistry these two literally made this movie memorable for their relationship in the story
dawayne15 hmm, I am Jamie Foxx fan but in this movie I'm not with him b'cause he betrayed justice, gerard should suppose to win b'cause he is the victim of selfish American law. Hollywood stops this kind of acts! Always support the right channel.
for those of you who like Butler, the original ending had him escaping, but the producer changed it at the request of Fox who said "I cant let whitey win"
Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel Well... shit. That's quite possibly one of the dumbest reasons to alter an ending. An ending which would have made this movie perfect. The ending which was used for the film instead was terrible.
***** The chances of some shitheel city lawyer getting over on some supposed TLA wetworks guy are about the same as God making me Master of the Universe.
***** Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one To forgive your enemies has nothing to do with the punishment rendered upon them. Like I said, the idea that some petty bureaucrat city lawyer(that is what prosecutors are) can outsmart some hard mo-fo that's been laying down the pain on the jihadis in durka-durkastan is fucking laughable. That silly bullshit ruined the entire movie for me.
I think Gerard Butler was kind of the anti-hero of this movie.. the dudes wife and child got murdered... and he got stabbed.. and the killers just got a slap on the wrist.. I can see where he is coming from. In this kind of situation, the father should be allowed to do whatever he wants.. when it comes to a man's family, all bets are off.
"Well that's what wrenches are for, dumbass." I'm going to say that to anyone who comments back to me. They have to use their own one liners from this film. Then it makes the fun shared around.
I love how Nick thought he was in control in the beginning of this scene and then starting at 1:46, Clyde completely flips the script and toys with him.
Clyde wasn't meant to die The lawyer was meant to die defusing the bombs that blew up. It was originally written that way. Jamie Foxx had a problem with the "bad guy" getting away and didn't want to be part of that movie, so the ending changed and the movie was shit because of it. This is why I don't watch his movies anymore.
Jason that’s crazy ..I like Jamie fox but..if it was me I would have payed more and seen if Denzel Washington would play the part or even Ryan gosling (fracture)he played a cocky lawyer like this
Clyde did win, he convinced Nick that what he did wasn’t irrational and the final shot of the movie where he’s watching his daughters recital, his face is a blank stare realizing he would have done everything exactly the same which would cause him to never make deals with murderers. This would have an entire effect on the entire law system that justice must be served or else you screw over the wrong people. So therefore Clyde got exactly what he wanted, for people to receive the punishments they deserve not the ones that work best for lawyers.
Not a lot of people hold the sentiment but that seems like the best way to wrap your head around the movies ending. Sure Clyde was on a warpath and he was justified but after his death you really do get the feeling that Nick understood it all.
This movie had soooooo much potential. He was always one step ahead and "of course" he makes a mistake(Which they said many of times over in the movie, he doesn't make) and he gets busted and killed. I was hoping this would've been another Inside Man(if you haven't seen, it's a must. One of the best plots ever).
+Kritacul But did he make a mistake though? Nick would never have found the bomb without Chester's tip, and who do you think this mysterious Chester who never shows his face is? I may be wrong, but I think Chester is Clyde himself. He wanted to teach Nick to be a better person and at the end, he succeeded. He wanted him to find the bomb and the fact that Clyde smiles when he realises the bomb is under his bed reinforces that.
Lawyer more worried about a conviction rating instead of trying to do the right thing. Pride blinded him and he couldn’t see it or even acknowledge it.
34Ladarehius A real lawyer could easily show blatant deception and present evidence to prove your trying to circumvent the system and in time prove you did what you're accused of.
+kev3d what? i really liked Collateral's ending, it made perfect sense and was built up in that movie, unlike this one. What purpose would letting Tom Cruise win serve? He even got the "moral victory" in the end with that subway line.
+DeathtoRaiden1 Cab drivers are not known for their prowess with firearms and close-quarters combat, experienced assassins however, are. As for what purpose would it serve, who cares? It doesn't need to serve any purpose other than to not contradict the internal rules of the movie -and it doesn't mean that Tom Cruise needs to "win" or Foxx to "lose". It just didn't need to be Foxx pulling the trigger. Why not have Foxx use something that he *does* know, like cars, to save the day?
kev3d What are you even talking about? What do you think a handgun is? A spaceship? Do you need a college degree or be a former Navy Seal to know that you point the bit with the whole at something and press in the slim lever thinggie to shoot? They even shot the secene in a way to show it was a lucky shot. Tom Cruise character got too personally involved in the matter and that's what got him killed. He died because he broke his own rules. But he proved his philosophy was right, he died on that train and no one will care, all the things both of them went through that night are lost in the wind, it's like they never happened to the outside world.
+DeathtoRaiden1 RUclips is filled with inexperienced people firing a gun, and even after they have been prepared, with a round chambered and safety off, they still manage to screw it up spectacularly. Guns are not as easy to handle for the inexperienced as the movies would have you believe -not to mention the added difficulty of having a trained assassin who could (and did) plug a guy from across a busy club floor.
+$3R6!0 Having a "lot to live for" does not make one a better shot. In fact, one who holds life dear may well avoid unnecessary risks, especially one who has had no particular training. The reason Collateral's ending was terrible is because it is a cop out, a cheap way to end the film, a near deus ex machina where, by some miracle, the meek guy who has no combat experience at all is able to take out the calm, cold, experienced killer. Die Hard made sense because John McClane was a trained cop which the bad guys didn't anticipate. Predator makes sense because Dutch was an elite special forces soldier. But Collateral makes no sense because Max was a Taxi driver. It would be like having the ship's engine mechanic, rather than Maverick, fly the fighter and defeat the bad guys in Top Gun.
I feel like Nick saying "Bravo" and all that just pissed Clyde off even more. Like "How the fuck are you gonna pretend to approve of what I did? You had the chance to punish him and you let him walk." Clyde actually looks genuinely surprised that Nick would openly say something so offensive and stupid, and try to pass it off as being friendly.
Some people never understood the movie: Clyde never want to be a vigilante, or simply revenge; he want to prove that the system has a lot of failures, that things don't go as well as supposed to.
I love this movie...i watch it every time it comes on. I was rooting for Clyde with every kill...i just wish the ending would've been different I wish Clyde would've won in the end & gotten to his REVENGE on the Distric Attorney.
This was actually my favorite part of the movie. The government always blames criminals because they choose to do their crimes; however it's the government that (statistically) fails to rehabilitate them and then lies about it. The DA here chose to serve a corrupt system, and he gets pissed off when he realizes it and blames it on this guy.
Yes it was Pointl. Since Jamie is a big fan of Denzel, he ad lib that from " Training Day " Enjoyed Gerald Butler in this movie. This movie makes you really think about the legal system.
I love how he was gonna come quietly in return for a decent bed and they said no. Yet they will allow murderers and drug dealers to walk free if they simply snitch on who’s at the top or give them a good lead to that person at the top.
I realize now that the entire movie, even up to the end, Shelton was testing Nick and his morals. He was seeing how far he could push him with making deals, like asking for a mattress, or dinner and music, even though Nick KNEW Shelton did it. He did that because Nick wouldn't go to trial for the men who murdered his family because he wasn't sure he could win the case. So Shelton dangled the confession in his face to get him to do morally questionable things as opposed to the right thing. And in the end Shelton pushed Nick to do what I think Shelton himself felt was the right thing. That's why when he realizes he's about to be killed with his own bomb, simply sat down and made his peace with it. He got his revenge, and he finally pushed Nick to do the right thing, to not compromise with murderers, to be a better person, a better father, something he could never be again.
I like when Jamie Fox says bravo, and for a few seconds, Gerard looks up at him like, “Was I wrong about him? Maybe he has changed over the years.” You can tell that did catch him off guard, but he soon realizes that he still believes the system isn’t wrong
He could’ve also been faking his reaction, because the sympathetic gesture was likely just an act to make him more likely to confess (he did hate Darby, but still cared more about his job).
I know it's to dramatic flair but an investigator would have obviously picked up on his indirect language and continued questioning him until he got specific confessions.
Actually the reason for that is that this lawyer is heavily implied to be lousy. It seems he's mostly gotten by on corruption & crooked deals which very easily explain how sloppy he is when someone isn't playing ball how he wants.
Nick takes a deal with the guy who HE KNEW did the killing, just for the sake of his career. The real murderer of the two goes free while Nick moves up in the world. I think he was the bad guy of this movie, not Clyde
This scene is a classic case of the term "Counter Intuitive". 1) The supposed prosecutor agrees with him or he is just disarming him, public prosecutors have the decision whether or not to prosecute someone so why would you cheer for the guy you will prosecute? Its like Ted Bundy complementing a woman before he disembowels them, its that sick. 2) Who the F........ cares? Not only does the prosecutor does not have enough evidence but this should be at the bottom of his to do list. Imagine if Hitler was still alive today and a civilian purposely kills him, would you care more about arresting the citizen or would you care more that Hitler is dead?
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"well that's what wrenches are for, dumbass". lol fucking priceless
ghost
+Ian Miller ????
+Crosby4hyg FUCKIN GOT EEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMM
+Crosby4hyg You be surprised that some people have never used a wrench in their life.
+Crosby4hyg Funny thing is that he has to tell Chief O'Brien what a wrench is used for! :-P
“Well it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove in court...” love this line
Better is, show evidence in court. You only prove things in math but I understand what you mean 👍
Better still...the truth doesn't matter as much as what people believe.
@@Antifag1977 that’s why it’s better to use “fact” instead of “truth”
@@theaspiephotographer that's veering into a semantics discussion.
sounds like training day lol
EVERYBODY was rooting for Clyde in this movie
In the original script clyde won in the end. But unfortunately jamie foxx disagreed and threatened to walk unless it was changed.
Really ?
Dunam: what a bisnotch always trying to make himself look good.
How was he a hero when he was murdering innocent people?
Vince Castro Not me. He circumvented the law.
Can you imagine what would happen if Clyde teamed up with The Punisher?
Unbreakable team
***** They are basically the same person. By that I mean they are both high end military trained (Punisher was a NAVY seal - while this guy was a military tactician). They both have experience with military hardware, weaponry, body armor, explosives, and are anti-heros that realize the justice system is a piece of shit in this country...oh, and they both lost their loved ones (families) due to horrible crimes by sociopaths.
I appreciate your input Mr Norris; I like your show.
+TheMovieDoctorful Mack Bolan. Able Team
+TheMovieDoctorful Thing is though the Punisher killed bad people. Clyde killed people who he thought failed were guilty simply to make a point. While we can sympathize with him if you look at it with perspective killing the people he killed without darby was really pointless and unnecessary.
movie would have been so much better if clyde had won
HighAnders I think the proper ending would have been his bomb succeeding but he still dies cause i think in the end he would want to. I mean the fact they set him up to be so smart really is kinda broken when they manage to remove the bomb and put it in his cell so easily i mean you would think he would have some sort of safety for it if it was moved.
+HighAnders Agree, creators ware pussies for not going thought with their original plans. Some people may whine, but I think that similarly to The boondock saints, most people would have loved it.
+Marta Schmidt now now, can't give the slaves "hope"
what could happen?
+HighAnders I disagree I think clyde did win. He returned to his wife and daughter, look how at peace he is when he realizes it's all over
+212sportsman1 Not to mention, he corrected the problem that was Foxx's character. Made him realize that he was wrong for cutting the deal and reminding him what the justice system is supposed to be about.
I side with Gerard Butler's character! The law can be so stupid sometimes.
This was an awesome movie hi Michael
Hi Velma!
michael cristian That's because it was written by people
fyrestorme123 True that!!
It's not that the law cna be stupid, it's the fact that there's too much "grey zones" where people exploits them.
Lawyers and judges, most of them, think only like a machine, a machine made only of rules that is a Law system. And like any machines, it can be hacked.
That's why a real law use logic and rules of a civilised nation. Not just the rules that are so easy to play with.
And that's how alot of people Win and walk freely. Which really pisses me off day by day...
He's a pretty terrible lawyer if he thinks he got a confession - the first thing I noticed was that he didn't admit to anything!
exactly, I don't mind Jamie foxx, but he was not convincing as a genius prosecuting lawyer.
Can't prove nodding your head on tape, and nodding is a tick some people have when acknowledging they heard the speaker. As for saying yes, he followed it up immediately with his responses.
@@mini_pypermaru They had video of clyde as well though, and a prosecutor would likely say something to the effect of "Let the record show that the defendant nodded." if it were a real case, but that's hollywood for you.
Emily Rowbottom wow you and every other person on earth, you clearly aren’t the brightest bulb
Vinyl Scratch what happened in this clip would never pass in court
Butler's character was COMPLETELY in the right
***** I agree with him that the system is broken to all hell. His methods are just as bad as the criminals he hates, but the idea behind them is noble.
Basically, he looked into the abyss and blinked.
TimedRevolver No matter what system of government we have there are going to be people that find ways to abuse it. The checks and balances that we have seem better than anything anyone else is proposing.
Unless you have a better idea.
The movie was a dark comedy in my eyes. Was he in the right? Absolutely not. The whole thing was hypocritical to the extreme.
Shoaib K meh
+CODtheater Innocent? Is that supposed to be funny? *Kevin Spacey Voice*
This man is The Joker and Batman combined
SubliminalMessHunter
Nah, more like Bruce with a bit of Jason.
Ayyy lmao no nigga stfu
A Batman who laughs is a Batman who wins
@@sebasfl.22 killing joke🤔
Troy Valentine no a Batman who laughs is Batman and joker combined it’s based by comics so kinda of
*spoiler:* he gets the bed.
+Bijinius Cross It would have been a really short movie.
Gee... thanks!
And a nice steak dinner
Plus his iPod
LOL
I love this movie but the ending fucking sucks. I can't come to grips that these guys can outsmart Bulter's character. Just pure BS hollywood cop out.
naved0589 actually they didn't outsmarted him, someone who worked with him fucked him up and for obvious reasons he didn't know about it so because of his condition of being isolated.
***** Nah, we wanted him to win. It was the only logical ending. We didn't care if he survived because he didn't care, either, but they should have fulfilled his promise of the end being 'biblical'.
Amen
+naved0589 Actually, Jamie Foxx (the black guy) refused to act unless the ending was changed to him winning.
+Morfonious I are u forreal? wow thats a shitty person
I think what I like best about this scene, is that Butler looks so docile and fragile when he is being questioned. Then he just changes face, and its like, sit down, because shit's about to get real....
😄 Spot on. One thing though Fox's character didn't shit himself when he was told to cancel his 1230 lunch with the judge. I know I would've I'd be shouting at him in a low gruff voice and slamming his head against the table "WHERE IS SHE" oh wait , wrong movie.
Well he acted as if he trusted him he trusted him before but never again now that he knows better.
This. Brilliant character. Best Gerard Butler movie character to date.
“…. So I changed it to something a little more….Deliberate.”☠️💉 lol
Or when he bludgeons his cellmate with the steak bone, and casually lays in his cot rests his hands behind his head covered in blood and goes, “Warden I need a shower.”
oh and counselor, THIS IS SPARTA!!!
what everybody's thinking
Matt Gold. You win 300 points.
✌✌
hahaha it is funny because that it the line from the movie "300" and this is clearly not the movie "300" hahaha
Give this man 300 likes, he deserves it
/wooosh
He's like the riddler. The good one from the comics
I remember that riddler joke came from a book i read one time called to kill a mockingbird!!!
Nick : "I want the truth!!"
Clyde :" You can't handle the TRUTH!!!!!!!!"
Its gonna take more than a few good men to stop CLYDE.
Jamie fox should have been the last victim
His wife should have. I wanted him to feel pain.
he even had one of the best Hollywood gunmen, Vincent, try. Didn't work out to well. Not too much luck for Leonidas the stabber.
Marie Philogene
Nah. Nick could die but his wife and kid are innocent. I also don’t think Clyde would go through with it. Did he kill people? Yes, but he wasn’t a psycho who craved bloodshed. He was tactical and specific with actual purpose
@@couragew6260 he killed multiple people who didnt have anything to do with his case or the "system". A bunch of lawyers, people who were even on his side like jamie foxx's senior lawyer.
ShinzuXTruth
Ok, scratch that. He was *slightly* more focused in his killings
I wished Clyde lived at at then of the movie ! His portrayal of the charcter deserves a sequel !
I agree he was great, however I think a sequel would be a horrible idea
+Tyler Frazier agreed
+Tyler Frazier Agreed.
+Tyler Frazier @greed
+Macgyver1986 The ending is what ruined the movie. Up to that point it was perfect. The writers fucked it up at the end.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove in court" is such a true statement. I learned that four years ago
"What do you want?"
"Now you're the one that makes deals with murders right? Now I've come to make mine" love that part
'That's what wrenches are for..dumbass' HAHAHA
+DVG line has me in dead
Jaime Foxx is supposed to play the protagonist, yet I find him very unlikable in this move.
I agree, almost too arrogant.
But that's the thing - no one is the protagonist in this movie. Its very ambivalence, the fact that the movie presents a situation and allows you, the viewer, to decide where the lines should be drawn is what makes the movie so brilliant. It's profoundly cerebral.
*****
Not the way I see it, but I respect your interpretation of the film.
*****
Not at all. But his abhorrence for the judiciary system that wronged him in such a life-altering way is a far cry from incomprehensible, if you ask me. The death of the innocent people were deaths he felt needed to occur in order to achieve his ultimate goal of bringing down the "diseased, corrupt temple" of the system. Though, I'd say the only person he killed that didn't deserve to die was Sarah, Jamie Foxx's blonde assistant.
*****
Of course his actions weren't justified. But he did have his reasons for committing them, as I stated in my previous comment. As for causing trauma to Nick's wife and kids, I doubt he intended for them to see the video he sent to Nick's home.
"That's what wrenches are for, dumbass!"
Colm Meaney's reaction is priceless
He does not know what Wrenches are , he uses Coil Spanners .
When you make villains too sympathetic, too relatable and too justified, they're no longer villains.
I found the 2 murderers and the lawyer to be villainous, not Butler's character... From the get go too
He’s a villain?
No. Bro is pure evil, despite his intentions. He basically became a terrorist in the end
@@JMR_2028 Americans behaved like terrorists during the War of Independence.
@@JMR_2028 wanna see what you'll do when your wife and daughter were taken from you by 2 scum of the earth and then get kicked in the teeth by the 'justice' system that lets the killer 100% off the hook to save its own face.
You'll have nothing left to live for except getting your own justice. Granted, he goes overboard, but at every turn he gives the prosecutor the chance to do the right thing and again and again he doesn't
"It's not what you know, it's about what you can prove in court."
Best advice I've heard in a while. I mean, that makes a lot of sense though I suppose Clyde was commenting on how most justice systems work (and exposing a loophole)
Not onnly that but if you would watch the actual movie you would know its a reapeated quote that exact thing Jamie foxx said to Gerard Butler when he made a deal with the killer of his wife and daughter to get a death penalty to his crime assistant (but the guy that got away with a few years sentance on that deal was the one who decided to kill them ) during the bulgrary that they did. ruclips.net/video/73ihGNZMjOU/видео.html here you got it.
The state has killed innocents in the past. That's enough evidence I need to take Clyde's words to heart.
"The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime." - Max Stirner
Totally ripped off from TRAINING DAY
“Well that’s what wrenches at for, DUMBASS!” I love that line so much. 😂
another solid movie ruined by a bad ending
This is a very good movie, Leonidas did a good job.
Leonidas 😂
"That's what wrenches are for ... Dumbass!" Ha ha ha made me laugh so hard!!!
Movie should have ended with him getting away
@Anthony Beatty And that's one of the reasons why I don't like Foxx as an actor. That and his acting feels very boring & monotonous. His portrayal of Django literally sounds and feels just like Nick in this movie.
Wow, I didn't know that about Jamie Foxx. Never watching nor recommending another movie with him in it ever again. What an ego-maniac who ruined what could have been a classic on par with The Usual Suspects.
i think the sequel will have a secret that he didn't die he escaped
I disagree. I found a fanmade ending, that consisted of two bombs. That way, he followed his words about "tearing this whole system down over your heads. it's going to be biblical". Referance to Samson, who died while he tore a temple down over himself and his enemies.
I’m so glad to see I’m not the only one who was so angry Clyde didn’t win at the end lol they really botched that ending for such a great and original screenplay. Intelligent dialogue, good violence, great cast.
Clyde DID win. He taught Nick to never make deals with killers. He proved it when Nick effectively killed Clyde. Clyde himself seemed satisfied with the outcome
He was supposed to and Jamie Foxx through a fit saying he wouldn't finish filming if the bad guy won
@@PrestigeLearning from that angle yes he was satisfied with the work he had done, but he didn’t live happily ever after is what I’m saying. Would have been cooler imo if he pulled off one more brilliant twist and ended up at peace with his families death in a new life somewhere
This movie wins hands down the worst ending of any movie, ever.
@@inkarceration4069 False
Clyde was the good guy. The villian won at the end of this movie.
He killed innocents so no he wasn't.
@@roseg2239 I downvoted your comment
@@roseg2239 They were not innocents. They were corrupt wolves in sheep clothes.
@@roseg2239 he didn’t kill anyone innocent though
@@roseg2239 uh yeah innocents? not really.
Can we take a moment to appreciate and analyze gerard and jamie foxs chemistry these two literally made this movie memorable for their relationship in the story
It's like Denzel Washington and Chris Pine in Unstoppable, great actors.
Gerard butler seriously need to do more roles in movies like this, he was FUCKING amazing in this. Im just sad how it ended.
This movie should have ended differently.
dawayne15 hmm, I am Jamie Foxx fan but in this movie I'm not with him b'cause he betrayed justice, gerard should suppose to win b'cause he is the victim of selfish American law. Hollywood stops this kind of acts! Always support the right channel.
mba suraj idiot lol
Guess it's just a sad ending, like 'Life' or 'The Mist'
for those of you who like Butler, the original ending had him escaping, but the producer changed it at the request of Fox who said "I cant let whitey win"
Any evidence to support this claim?
TownsendV228 directors comments on twitter, director comments on DVD
and reddit AMA
Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel Well... shit. That's quite possibly one of the dumbest reasons to alter an ending. An ending which would have made this movie perfect. The ending which was used for the film instead was terrible.
*****
The chances of some shitheel city lawyer getting over on some supposed TLA wetworks guy are about the same as God making me Master of the Universe.
***** Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one
To forgive your enemies has nothing to do with the punishment rendered upon them.
Like I said, the idea that some petty bureaucrat city lawyer(that is what prosecutors are) can outsmart some hard mo-fo that's been laying down the pain on the jihadis in durka-durkastan is fucking laughable. That silly bullshit ruined the entire movie for me.
I think Gerard Butler was kind of the anti-hero of this movie.. the dudes wife and child got murdered... and he got stabbed.. and the killers just got a slap on the wrist.. I can see where he is coming from. In this kind of situation, the father should be allowed to do whatever he wants.. when it comes to a man's family, all bets are off.
Agreed he did the right thing when he killed the criminals but went too far where he killed everyone else
@@positivevibes5364 to him everyone else were just corrupted ppl as well thats wat he learned from the judge and Nick who were supposed to help him
Agreed
Django versus Leonidas.
Erf.
"Well that's what wrenches are for, dumbass."
I'm going to say that to anyone who comments back to me. They have to use their own one liners from this film. Then it makes the fun shared around.
"How bout....Fuck no"
"I'm gonna pull the whole thing down. I'm gonna bring the whole fuckin' diseased, corrupt temple down on your head. It's going to be Biblical."
Travis Bickle You talkin to me?
Must be I'm the only guy here!
Divitty Bissel lol I like that. I think I'll do the same.
I love how Nick thought he was in control in the beginning of this scene and then starting at 1:46, Clyde completely flips the script and toys with him.
Clyde wasn't meant to die The lawyer was meant to die defusing the bombs that blew up. It was originally written that way. Jamie Foxx had a problem with the "bad guy" getting away and didn't want to be part of that movie, so the ending changed and the movie was shit because of it. This is why I don't watch his movies anymore.
Jason Clyde wasn't the enemy, all of his actions were justified and those people deserved to die in a way
Jason I’m with you bro. Mr. Foxx pretty much fucked a perfect movie.
Jason that’s crazy ..I like Jamie fox but..if it was me I would have payed more and seen if Denzel Washington would play the part or even Ryan gosling (fracture)he played a cocky lawyer like this
Who the fuck is Jame Fox to determinate the end of this movie... fuck that bulshit. Im just disappointed!
I officially hate Jamie Foxx!! Screw the guy, the movie would’ve been better if Clyde won
Would be 10 times better if he used his natural 300 accent
Lol
+Møvìes Śceñes Oh shit, was that the same guy from 300?
John O'Neill yup... Jerrard Butler
Møvìes Śceñes Dude can act! Not just Donkey kick people into a bottomless void!
John O'Neill this is sparta
Clyde did win, he convinced Nick that what he did wasn’t irrational and the final shot of the movie where he’s watching his daughters recital, his face is a blank stare realizing he would have done everything exactly the same which would cause him to never make deals with murderers. This would have an entire effect on the entire law system that justice must be served or else you screw over the wrong people. So therefore Clyde got exactly what he wanted, for people to receive the punishments they deserve not the ones that work best for lawyers.
Not a lot of people hold the sentiment but that seems like the best way to wrap your head around the movies ending. Sure Clyde was on a warpath and he was justified but after his death you really do get the feeling that Nick understood it all.
20 people didn't know about wrenches.
I love how Clyde goes from docile and respectful to cunning and enraged in three minutes. Gerard Butler is a fantastic actor.
1:46 He pretends to be nervous and withdrawn, then suddenly his eyes change and he speaks to them without hesitation
how badass 😎
That's where the genius comes in
Bartender: what would you like sir
Me: you might as well transfer those other people, cause your gonna have a busy day with me
If Fox hadn't waffled and gone back on his original 'No', the whole movie would have ended right there.
Nick was the real villain, he let so many people die and was given the chance to stop it
Thanks for the shit ending.
good movie and the last 10minutes ruined it :D
"Well that's what wrenches are for, DUMBASS."
*fucking gold*
Clyde reminds me alot of the Joker from TDK in this movie.
I was thinking the same thing...
"You see I'm not crazy, I'm just ahead of the curve"
+Vaas Montenegro all it takes is one day to turn anyone crazy.
I love channels like this. Thanks for the work you put in.
Waste of a good movie with that ending.
mrharvy100 I agree
This movie was so good. Everything was done to perfection. Whoever directed this did an awsome job
The ending ruined the movie.
This movie had soooooo much potential. He was always one step ahead and "of course" he makes a mistake(Which they said many of times over in the movie, he doesn't make) and he gets busted and killed.
I was hoping this would've been another Inside Man(if you haven't seen, it's a must. One of the best plots ever).
+Kritacul But did he make a mistake though? Nick would never have found the bomb without Chester's tip, and who do you think this mysterious Chester who never shows his face is? I may be wrong, but I think Chester is Clyde himself. He wanted to teach Nick to be a better person and at the end, he succeeded. He wanted him to find the bomb and the fact that Clyde smiles when he realises the bomb is under his bed reinforces that.
Lawyer more worried about a conviction rating instead of trying to do the right thing. Pride blinded him and he couldn’t see it or even acknowledge it.
I was going to rewatch this, then I remembered the fucking bullshit ending.
You cant beat the man.
Shorty15c4007 Yeah I know, but fucking hell after all the intricate shit he pulled, he was undone by something as stupid as that?
BrynTheSkits The ending was pretty blunt, I will agree. Just sort of like "oh shit" boom!
so damn true that damn ending ugh
it was funny cos when butler got to his hide out foxx was still at that building no way he could of got to the prison before Butller bullshit ending
Bout time Butler comes to Marvel Universe.
Hell yeah, but as who?
The Beyonder
I think he should give being Ghost Rider a go I think he would do it justice.
Definitely the Punisher!
Scary7064 you win
Imagine how much better this movie would have been if the protagonist actually got to win.
The wrench part always makes me laugh.
MILES O'BRIAN DOES NOT LIKE TO BE CALLED NAMES!
Yeah you'd think that he of all people would know how to use a wrench.
A real lawyer would rip those answers apart and demand a yes or no answer.
A real lawyer can't force you to give a yes or no answer
34Ladarehius A real lawyer could easily show blatant deception and present evidence to prove your trying to circumvent the system and in time prove you did what you're accused of.
2019 and still my favorite movie
Much like another Foxx film, Collateral, this film had a great premise, interesting execution (get it? ha!) and a total shit ending.
+kev3d
what? i really liked Collateral's ending, it made perfect sense and was built up in that movie, unlike this one. What purpose would letting Tom Cruise win serve? He even got the "moral victory" in the end with that subway line.
+DeathtoRaiden1 Cab drivers are not known for their prowess with firearms and close-quarters combat, experienced assassins however, are.
As for what purpose would it serve, who cares? It doesn't need to serve any purpose other than to not contradict the internal rules of the movie -and it doesn't mean that Tom Cruise needs to "win" or Foxx to "lose". It just didn't need to be Foxx pulling the trigger. Why not have Foxx use something that he *does* know, like cars, to save the day?
kev3d
What are you even talking about? What do you think a handgun is? A spaceship? Do you need a college degree or be a former Navy Seal to know that you point the bit with the whole at something and press in the slim lever thinggie to shoot? They even shot the secene in a way to show it was a lucky shot.
Tom Cruise character got too personally involved in the matter and that's what got him killed. He died because he broke his own rules. But he proved his philosophy was right, he died on that train and no one will care, all the things both of them went through that night are lost in the wind, it's like they never happened to the outside world.
+DeathtoRaiden1 RUclips is filled with inexperienced people firing a gun, and even after they have been prepared, with a round chambered and safety off, they still manage to screw it up spectacularly. Guns are not as easy to handle for the inexperienced as the movies would have you believe -not to mention the added difficulty of having a trained assassin who could (and did) plug a guy from across a busy club floor.
+$3R6!0 Having a "lot to live for" does not make one a better shot. In fact, one who holds life dear may well avoid unnecessary risks, especially one who has had no particular training.
The reason Collateral's ending was terrible is because it is a cop out, a cheap way to end the film, a near deus ex machina where, by some miracle, the meek guy who has no combat experience at all is able to take out the calm, cold, experienced killer. Die Hard made sense because John McClane was a trained cop which the bad guys didn't anticipate. Predator makes sense because Dutch was an elite special forces soldier. But Collateral makes no sense because Max was a Taxi driver. It would be like having the ship's engine mechanic, rather than Maverick, fly the fighter and defeat the bad guys in Top Gun.
This just proves that the law favors the criminals
"That's what wrenches are for, dumb ass" Is my vote for the "funniest line in a serious movie award" of the decade.
that was a really good vid, it helped me on my media studies:)
I love how quiet it is. Thanks
I feel like Nick saying "Bravo" and all that just pissed Clyde off even more. Like "How the fuck are you gonna pretend to approve of what I did? You had the chance to punish him and you let him walk." Clyde actually looks genuinely surprised that Nick would openly say something so offensive and stupid, and try to pass it off as being friendly.
"Well that's what wrenches are for, Dumbass!" - Best line of the movie.
Some people never understood the movie: Clyde never want to be a vigilante, or simply revenge; he want to prove that the system has a lot of failures, that things don't go as well as supposed to.
Yeah I guess. He did start killing out of revenge though for his wife and kids.
it still happen in murica today and gonna continue for next years
1:45 "Counselor ... can you please tell Chief O'Brien that I want an Autograph ? .Dude is a Darts legend ."
I love this movie...i watch it every time it comes on.
I was rooting for Clyde with every kill...i just wish the ending would've been different
I wish Clyde would've won in the end & gotten to his REVENGE on the Distric Attorney.
Rumors are that Jamie Foxx protested ending from the original script. So it got rewritten. Not sure about the source now.
This was actually my favorite part of the movie. The government always blames criminals because they choose to do their crimes; however it's the government that (statistically) fails to rehabilitate them and then lies about it. The DA here chose to serve a corrupt system, and he gets pissed off when he realizes it and blames it on this guy.
Being a father myself, I saw him as a plain hero.
Clyde is a nut but you can kind of understand how unfairness can drive someone to extreme shit.
"Its not what you know, its what you can prove" Isnt this line from Training Day?
Yes it was Pointl. Since Jamie is a big fan of Denzel, he ad lib that from " Training Day " Enjoyed Gerald Butler in this movie. This movie makes you really think about the legal system.
“You might wanna cancel the rest of the week because you’re gunna be busy , sit down 🪑 “ 😂
“Well that’s what wrenches are for, dumbass!” Lmao
It's not about money. It's about sending a message. Everything burns.
That cup is empty
Still don't get why they had to screw up the ending so terribly for a movie that would have been as great as this if they didn't screw up the ending.
" How about eeehh, FUCK no " 😂😂
In a movie that embodies incredulity, the fact that Foxx's character walks away thinking he has a confession actually stands out.
what a fantastic scene from a great movie.
Fucking god that is the coolest and most perfect "fuck no" I've ever witnessed.
I fully support vigilantism.
then you're a terrible person, go move to a country with no justice system and see how you enjoy it, lunatic.
@@belesir8847 Calm down, fuckin hell
this will always be my favorite movie, one of the reasons I started my law degree
I love how he was gonna come quietly in return for a decent bed and they said no. Yet they will allow murderers and drug dealers to walk free if they simply snitch on who’s at the top or give them a good lead to that person at the top.
I realize now that the entire movie, even up to the end, Shelton was testing Nick and his morals. He was seeing how far he could push him with making deals, like asking for a mattress, or dinner and music, even though Nick KNEW Shelton did it. He did that because Nick wouldn't go to trial for the men who murdered his family because he wasn't sure he could win the case. So Shelton dangled the confession in his face to get him to do morally questionable things as opposed to the right thing. And in the end Shelton pushed Nick to do what I think Shelton himself felt was the right thing. That's why when he realizes he's about to be killed with his own bomb, simply sat down and made his peace with it. He got his revenge, and he finally pushed Nick to do the right thing, to not compromise with murderers, to be a better person, a better father, something he could never be again.
I like when Jamie Fox says bravo, and for a few seconds, Gerard looks up at him like, “Was I wrong about him? Maybe he has changed over the years.”
You can tell that did catch him off guard, but he soon realizes that he still believes the system isn’t wrong
He could’ve also been faking his reaction, because the sympathetic gesture was likely just an act to make him more likely to confess (he did hate Darby, but still cared more about his job).
I know it's to dramatic flair but an investigator would have obviously picked up on his indirect language and continued questioning him until he got specific confessions.
Actually the reason for that is that this lawyer is heavily implied to be lousy. It seems he's mostly gotten by on corruption & crooked deals which very easily explain how sloppy he is when someone isn't playing ball how he wants.
I love everything about this movie... except it's ENDING... 🤦♂️
Underrated! Rewatchable! Dope!
The only reason Nick won over Clyde is because Clyde basically told him everything , Clyde Is Way Too Clever
Thats a fact
Django did a good lot for himself
Django's gay.
What?
Django CS GO Is he married yet?!
Who?
Forget it. I have a contusion to nurse.
Nick takes a deal with the guy who HE KNEW did the killing, just for the sake of his career. The real murderer of the two goes free while Nick moves up in the world. I think he was the bad guy of this movie, not Clyde
This scene is a classic case of the term "Counter Intuitive". 1) The supposed prosecutor agrees with him or he is just disarming him, public prosecutors have the decision whether or not to prosecute someone so why would you cheer for the guy you will prosecute? Its like Ted Bundy complementing a woman before he disembowels them, its that sick. 2) Who the F........ cares? Not only does the prosecutor does not have enough evidence but this should be at the bottom of his to do list. Imagine if Hitler was still alive today and a civilian purposely kills him, would you care more about arresting the citizen or would you care more that Hitler is dead?
Good movie. Hated the ending