Thank you for posting these videos. I wish I had found interest in this subject matter many moons ago when I was in school. Are there any books you can recommend that would help along this journey.
Which is more important in the Odyssey? The body, or the soul? The hero survives because of his mind. He is famous as being the wisest of all the Achaeans, and his wisdom gets him out of a number of potentially fatal predicaments. The other main hero of the Odyssey is Penelope, who is supremely virtuous because of her steadfast faithfulness to her husband. Does this attitude value the body, or the soul? It seems that love and fidelity to love are the highest values in the Odyssey. Even in the Iliad, Achilles, though he refuses to join the battle because he was deprived of his share of the spoils, namely, the beautiful Briseis, subsequently returns to the battlefield to avenge his lifelong friend Patroclus, who has been slain by Hector. His motivation is his friendship with Patroclus. Did he value him for his body? Or did he value him for his soul? It's just possible that the assertion that in Homer the body is valued more highly than the soul is an oversimplification.
That Sparta was a "Hard-core Oligarchy" is very wrong. In the Apologia, was not Socrates favorite government Crete and Sparta? Sparta was a Republic, mixed government. "The Spartan Republic" www.academia.edu/1619269/ and to this in the grand history and why the definition changed Classical definition of a republic 5th Rev. www.academia.edu/5280564/ And in the play Aristophanes calls Socrates "Sparta-mad" because Socrates was an adherent, disciple and admirer of Spartan culture like the Seven Sages before him.
Socrates was a combat veteran. He was involved in the Athenian defeat at Delium, where Hippocrates died. as a Hoplite. He conducted an aggressive retreat noted by Plato through a proxy, Socrates returned to Athens to discover the same people who had launched the conflict were still in charge. I would suspect his romance with Sparta took root from this experience and his prickly personality was not improved, if not created, by it. "The Clouds" was produced the year after Delium Socrates was a Sophist teaching callow young men like Tucker Carlson and Rich Lowry how to employ rhetoric to frustrate the arguments of opponents they encountered in the market place of ideas. He was deliberately provocating, calling himself "a Gadfly sitting on the rump of State". His interests in The Good was a foil for his subversive agenda. He skirted disaster several times, but decided to pick his battle when he was 70 and make his stand for the shift from the aesthetics the Heroic Age to the ethics of the rule of law in a democratic milieu. Jesus' prayer to "let this cup pass" is a reference to the instrument of Socrates' execution, a cup of hemlock. Plato's Republic is a sociological study of Sparta and is the prototype for the American republic as an element subordinate to the American democracy. Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers employs the sociology of the Republic as the model for the Terran Federation.
Actually the "cup" Jesus was most likely talking about Psalm 75:8, "for a cup is in the hand of the Lord and the wine foams; it is well mixed, and He pours out of this; surely all the wicked of the earth must drink down its dregs". Representing of Jesus taking the place of all those repent and believe. Jesus drinking the cup for all who repent and believe. I really cannot think that Jesus was sweating blood over hemlock when He Himself said, "if they drink poison it will not hurt them," Mark 16:18. Jesus sayings are tough I can't even grasp His teachings if it were not for God, Bible notes, other people.
+Ken Nick >>>>I really cannot think that Jesus was sweating blood over hemlock when He Himself said, "if they drink poison it will not hurt them," Mark 16:18.
"Christians reason first", well let me check how did Christianity spread to non-roman Europe? And how did it spread to latin america? How much did the spanish invaders reason? Being a professor and spewing ahistorical lies is downright hilarious.
Oh, good god. No, the Peloponnesian War was NOT about ideology. The ideological rhetoric was just that--rhetoric. The war was the result of Athenian abuse of power. Once the Persians were thrust from Greece, the other city states discovered that the Athenians were every bit as bad as the Persians.
That's not true. The political and intellectual issues were debated right across the Greek world. The democrats sided with Athens and the oligarchs with Sparta
I just wanted to say thanks for presenting this in a way that even non-christians can enjoy and learn from.
Great upload and video series, I've learned so much and it has really peaked my interest
thanks for sharing
Thank you
Socrates probably wrote a check at a local grocery store??? WOW Bruce you missed your calling Sir! That is absolute comedy gold.
Thank you for posting these videos. I wish I had found interest in this subject matter many moons ago when I was in school. Are there any books you can recommend that would help along this journey.
Books about philosophers are notoriously inferior to the writings of philosophers.
Which is more important in the Odyssey? The body, or the soul? The hero survives because of his mind. He is famous as being the wisest of all the Achaeans, and his wisdom gets him out of a number of potentially fatal predicaments. The other main hero of the Odyssey is Penelope, who is supremely virtuous because of her steadfast faithfulness to her husband. Does this attitude value the body, or the soul? It seems that love and fidelity to love are the highest values in the Odyssey.
Even in the Iliad, Achilles, though he refuses to join the battle because he was deprived of his share of the spoils, namely, the beautiful Briseis, subsequently returns to the battlefield to avenge his lifelong friend Patroclus, who has been slain by Hector. His motivation is his friendship with Patroclus. Did he value him for his body? Or did he value him for his soul?
It's just possible that the assertion that in Homer the body is valued more highly than the soul is an oversimplification.
I am here years late, but this is a very good point.
That Sparta was a "Hard-core Oligarchy" is very wrong. In the Apologia, was not Socrates favorite government Crete and Sparta? Sparta was a Republic, mixed government. "The Spartan Republic"
www.academia.edu/1619269/ and to this in the grand history and why the definition changed Classical definition of a republic 5th Rev.
www.academia.edu/5280564/ And in the play Aristophanes calls Socrates "Sparta-mad" because Socrates was an adherent, disciple and admirer of Spartan culture like the Seven Sages before him.
Socrates was a combat veteran. He was involved in the Athenian defeat at Delium, where Hippocrates died. as a Hoplite. He conducted an aggressive retreat noted by Plato through a proxy, Socrates returned to Athens to discover the same people who had launched the conflict were still in charge. I would suspect his romance with Sparta took root from this experience and his prickly personality was not improved, if not created, by it. "The Clouds" was produced the year after Delium
Socrates was a Sophist teaching callow young men like Tucker Carlson and Rich Lowry how to employ rhetoric to frustrate the arguments of opponents they encountered in the market place of ideas. He was deliberately provocating, calling himself "a Gadfly sitting on the rump of State". His interests in The Good was a foil for his subversive agenda. He skirted disaster several times, but decided to pick his battle when he was 70 and make his stand for the shift from the aesthetics the Heroic Age to the ethics of the rule of law in a democratic milieu. Jesus' prayer to "let this cup pass" is a reference to the instrument of Socrates' execution, a cup of hemlock.
Plato's Republic is a sociological study of Sparta and is the prototype for the American republic as an element subordinate to the American democracy. Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers employs the sociology of the Republic as the model for the Terran Federation.
Actually the "cup" Jesus was most likely talking about Psalm 75:8, "for a cup is in the hand of the Lord and the wine foams; it is well mixed, and He pours out of this; surely all the wicked of the earth must drink down its dregs". Representing of Jesus taking the place of all those repent and believe. Jesus drinking the cup for all who repent and believe. I really cannot think that Jesus was sweating blood over hemlock when He Himself said, "if they drink poison it will not hurt them," Mark 16:18. Jesus sayings are tough I can't even grasp His teachings if it were not for God, Bible notes, other people.
+Ken Nick
>>>>I really cannot think that Jesus was sweating blood over hemlock when He Himself said, "if they drink poison it will not hurt them," Mark 16:18.
"Christians reason first", well let me check how did Christianity spread to non-roman Europe? And how did it spread to latin america? How much did the spanish invaders reason?
Being a professor and spewing ahistorical lies is downright hilarious.
why are these wrong?
Oh, good god. No, the Peloponnesian War was NOT about ideology. The ideological rhetoric was just that--rhetoric. The war was the result of Athenian abuse of power. Once the Persians were thrust from Greece, the other city states discovered that the Athenians were every bit as bad as the Persians.
That's not true. The political and intellectual issues were debated right across the Greek world. The democrats sided with Athens and the oligarchs with Sparta