@@bathowstandrews4507 in the states there is “Pharoah Monch, Black Thought, Mick Kenkins, Jadakiss, Elzhi, Andre3000, Pusha T, Roc Marciano” just to mention a few……. Your boy has moments in freestyles and features, he doesn’t have one solid body of work under his belt consider classic
Tumi/Stogie one of the greatest to have ever done it ...doing it ...will ever do it. He is a gem in the hip hop history as a country ... a continent and 🌎 jikelele vele
Is Stogie talking about the same guy who created 'Good kid, m.a.a.d city' and 'To Pimp A Butterfly'🤔 . Which are considered to be one of the best albums in rap... But nah he's not surely talking about that guy
You mean biased apple, spotify considered his albums as best hip hop rap there are dope albums better than those illmatic is one of them. This has nothing to do with albums, views, impact we are talking about Lyrically your fav rapper is nothing Lyrically compared to stogie i can play Stogie on the same list with Nas, Jay z and Big L not Kendrick. In the department of bars, metaphors , punchlines or poetic without a doubt Stogie is the fucken T 🔥
Good kid maad city is a classic to pimp a butterfly is not one of the greatest album of all time let’s be real when’s the last time you even listened to that
@@ambani_nianiftycome on Tumi would be an average rapper in the United States, if not is he better than “Black Thought, Pharoah Monch, Mick Jenkins, Jadakiss, Pusha T, Navy Blue, Elzhi, Royce da 59” let’s stop playing 🤦🏾♂️
Stogie t can bury alot of artists in America with his lyrics..... I'm American but this guy is gifted, special with lyrics is like I'm reading bible verses ❤❤
@@abongilebuwa1265 lame mid IQ intelligence bro talk about real things stop don't refer me to medeciore stuff ....It's a disrespect to even put an OG in the same line kdot ...No one is saying kdot is not good but even if u check his Diss tracks nothing much his saying than delivering on flows the records u refer me too I know them by heart I've been listening to Kendrick since his debuts from 2007 when he was still mimicking Lil Wayne Kendrick does not even have a best freestyle rap to his collection ...Absoul outshined him when they went bar to bar Joe badass whipped his ass Someone who's struggled to deal with drake ..had to write 4 diss tracks just to win ? Stogie T has done battle raps with daylyt one of the hardest MC's to this decade apart from Arsonal as a battle rapper Stop capping!!
Yall so confused when stogie put himself up there he is definitely the greatest we have in the country Americans just know how to market their craft thats why their seem better.
"A rumbling nasty punch against the crumbling Nestlé crunch"......I don't know how many days it would take for me to come up with just this bar....just go way back into his hip hop archives......every lyric justifies everything that comes out of his mouth right now that one might consider to be "bullshit"....salute Stogie
No rapper in the history of the universe surpasses Stogie T or Kendrick. They are equally unmatched, and at that level, it's all about personal preferences and biases; no one is definitively better.
😂😂 really,? You still need to know more about hip hop. What about Nas, Andre 3000, Black Thought. Kendrick is probably the same level with Andre 3000 artistically..Andre might be slightly better. Nas is the most gifted MC ever in history of hip hop if we talk lyricism.
Stogie hating on Kendrick just like his idol Lupe😂😂😂😂😂i see the pattern, they mad tht he gets hailed as the king lyrically when he doesn't do the extra complicated writing but thing is u need to find a certain balance to be able to make your music impactful otherwise u just another dope lyricist
His talking lyricist/writing to a guy with a Pulitzer, Tumi has moments when it comes to features and freestyles but to me he doesn’t have a solid album, his good at telling other people’s story about the struggle
Listen, we are grateful that institutions are beginning to acknowledge hip hop as a form of writing. However make no mistake: This moment is not a reflection of who greatest rappers of hip hop are, rappers whom kendrick listened to (like Tupac) and with a far more superior lyricism than kendrick. Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Nas etc. If pulitzer was an indication of who's the greatest, then all are deserving in their own right.
Bro don't sleep on Stogie T just because is not as popular as your favorite Artists, it don't mean his pen game is below theirs just saying the guy may not have massive hits or a massive following but lyrically wise the guy is something else 💯🔥🔥
Man we cant say Kendrick Lamar is not special, im sorry, see thing is, stogie has us gassed calling him the best Lyricist and all but we cant relate to his music, i know the best of us try, his style of writing is cool for wanting people to say u the dopest Lyricist but we wont relate, Kendrick had to tweak his style of writing otherwise he was gonna be an Ab Soul instead of a Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick been special and he had to dumb down but he still top tier as a lyricist and can make people relate at the same time, thts the balance niggas dont have
Stogie T is great, no lie but him saying Cole, Kendrick and Drake ain't special is weird to me. Like when he said there's not a classic album here in SA😂😂😂😂😂
@@theillustratxr I get u bro but don't forget the word lyricist is diverse in terms of pockets and these 2 don't do music for the same purpose, also, back then, Kendrick used to kill Ab 90% of the times they used to rap together and we were there to witness it before Kendrick really let go of the punchlines....yea AB went on to be much more lethal in tht pocket of lyricism
@@theillustratxr 😂😂😂yea it's incredibly weird bro, nigga is just salty he isn't connecting enough with the audience and he feels like.we not tapped in enough and he might be right but bro nah u just lack tht element Kendrick has where his pen could be complicated but it just has so much soul to it it connects and cultivates the audience more which motivates them to tap in even more and understand the meaning behind the pen
Stogie T knows very well that there's really no criteria for conciouse rap or rap in general... and I think he will never appreciate any generation of MCs that came after his coz that's what old rappers do ... Especially him, he's the only one that do people like that here is SA 4:16 😂😂😂 But he is one of the goats. Ontop of the least
@@theillustratxr Okay let’s just say you don’t like them. He’s going to perform the EP in France though on +5 venues, if that’s not good enough for then Ay 🤷🏼
Stogie is my favourite SA Lyricist after HHP and Pro…the Drake won take is the most off thing I have heard from him ever. Maybe he is hoping for a feature?
I respect stogie T a lot and I'm not saying that Kendrick lamar is better than him but saying that Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and without even mention Kendrick lamar's albums and how Stogie will never do a TPAB or GKMC but even lyrically which is something I would say he prioritizes no one in the world storytells like Kendrick lamar not lupe , not jayz and definitely not stogie T , and imagine doing that while being one of the most technical rappers in the world which also is something that I think a Stogie wouldn't do and sure Stogie has some of his good qualities as a lyricist but to say Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and probably the worst L take I've ever heard in my life
Oh k Tumi Dream is Over....WHAT!!!!!!!!!! Slikour dude should stop but I respect the show, I think Besides Covid u are the reason that these platforms in the Internet are full of Pods Grooti Salute...
“God forgives as you give the church half your shit. I’m bugging still we can’t tell a pastor from a pimp.” That didn’t age well. I’m glad you joined Team Jesus.
The thing is, hip hop as an umbrella term conforms to variety of things, but if we talk rap, pure rap, unyansile I'm afraid. They not special compared to him and or what he knows.
Jay Z, Lupe fiasco and Stogie T don't have the artist ability Kendrick does. Like in terms of conceptually crafting an album. That’s something I’m into as a rap nerd. I like concepts and seeing them fleshed out. Kendrick has that down better than any rapper. Lyrically yes Lupe is a Beast.. But Kendrick edges Jay Z lyrically...Stogie T sounds like a bitter MC who never made it
In all seriousness both J Cole and Kendrick are more versatile dynamic and better than Stogie T in all aspects of the artform and to say they are not amazing lyricists is completely appalling and evident of Stogie's lack of thorough analysis of the topics he engages.
Stogie is a top-tier lyricist and 🐐in 🇿🇦. I don’t use the GOAT term loosely like every Tom dick and Harry. His skills are on par with lyricists you'd find on a 🇺🇸 top 50 list if there ever was one. Excluding sales, reach, popularity etc but only focusing on lyrical ability. Just my subjective opinion.
The fact that this dude said Lupe and Asap are better than J.Cole is crazy.. he cleary doesn't listen to Cole.. and yall say this is the goat in S.A?? Smh😂😂🤦🏾
People base their opinions based on popularity and this American what what - just because your artist is from the states does not mean he is a better rapper - Mina I believe Stogie can smoke Kendrick period
@percykunene5447 I get it and I think you saying that Stogie T can murder Kendrick lamar is your opinion and its fine but i think what Stogie is saying here is dumb. How is Kendrick lamar not a special rapper ? and what qualifies someone as a special rapper ? Is storytelling that Kendrick lamar did on GKMC not special? Can Stogie T storytell as good as Kendrick lamar ? Can he flow as good as Kendrick lamar on the beat ? Does he have the lyrical range that Kendrick lamar has when it comes to using different flows ? I'm not saying Kendrick lamar is better than stogie T I'm just pointing out Stogies biases cause what makes a lyricist is not complex lyricism only it is a lot of thing and some are good at using some aspect of lyricism and other are good at using other aspects of lyricism and that's that It's Ok to have to goats in rap which are goats in their own way
@@keo9179 nope. Ab Soul is a wayyy better rapper than Kendrick in terms of bars, double, triple entendres, schemes, syllables etc But not storytelling and making good music so you're tripping
1) If your understanding of rap music starts when Kendrick, Drake & Cole are the big 3 in hip hop, I don't believe you can have an informed opinion on this subject. 2) If your understanding of diss records started with Kendrick vs Drake, again you cannot have a valid opinion on the topic. 3) If you are not a hip hop fan/listener outside of the club and this moment, again you cannot have a valid opinion on this matter. 4) I see a lot of kendrick fans and not enough fans of hip hop in general 5) S/o Stogie T, those questioning his lyricism should really go and listen to the albums he did as Tumi & The Volume >>>
Stogie T is a legend who can rival the best without a doubt 🔥
Im not from SA but Stogie to me is the top 10 lyricists in the world far as rap goes
Let’s be serious now, he an average rapper in the United States
@@OnewordSphamandla nothing about his rhymes is average...his bag is deep
@@bathowstandrews4507 his good at telling other people’s struggle stories
@@bathowstandrews4507 in the states there is “Pharoah Monch, Black Thought, Mick Kenkins, Jadakiss, Elzhi, Andre3000, Pusha T, Roc Marciano” just to mention a few……. Your boy has moments in freestyles and features, he doesn’t have one solid body of work under his belt consider classic
He black thought level
This Lady is enjoying listening to Stogie😅, you can tell she's in class and excited at the same time😅
we need this dark skinned guy all the time,
i like how he challenges the audience
Tumi/Stogie one of the greatest to have ever done it ...doing it ...will ever do it. He is a gem in the hip hop history as a country ... a continent and 🌎 jikelele vele
Is Stogie talking about the same guy who created 'Good kid, m.a.a.d city' and 'To Pimp A Butterfly'🤔 . Which are considered to be one of the best albums in rap...
But nah he's not surely talking about that guy
You mean biased apple, spotify considered his albums as best hip hop rap there are dope albums better than those illmatic is one of them. This has nothing to do with albums, views, impact we are talking about Lyrically your fav rapper is nothing Lyrically compared to stogie i can play Stogie on the same list with Nas, Jay z and Big L not Kendrick. In the department of bars, metaphors , punchlines or poetic without a doubt Stogie is the fucken T 🔥
Good kid maad city is a classic to pimp a butterfly is not one of the greatest album of all time let’s be real when’s the last time you even listened to that
@@ambani_nianiftycome on Tumi would be an average rapper in the United States, if not is he better than “Black Thought, Pharoah Monch, Mick Jenkins, Jadakiss, Pusha T, Navy Blue, Elzhi, Royce da 59” let’s stop playing 🤦🏾♂️
If its not black thought on his Dimension then no one else is
Stogie T is the Realest baba
Damn, the room let that "that sounds like you are saying i was a poet first" moment goo. Great timing Stogie 😂😂😂
😂 What did you want us to say?
I gotta listen to his EP!!!
Hope Stogie talks about Return of The King back on stream
I second the motion,I still have a copy from Musica :) Dope way for Tumi to "rest"
Bro
@lettuceandtomatoes4065 ey broe, couldnt recover my drive so I lost most of my music. I cant wait for it to be back. Its one of those classics
STOGIE T 🐐🐐🐐
Lupe is a master of craft
😂Aaah Stogie....😂😂Yu can't park the car there Chief
Stogie The GOAT 🐐
Seba Kaapstad🔥🔥🔥 timeless underrated discography
Zādok is super underrated
Dope musicians. 💯
@@slikouronlife true🔥
Stogie T is the 🐐
Stogie is thee god of SA hip hop ❤❤❤ the lyricist
Facts
Please bring back VERSE OF THE MONTH
History will remember Stogie T chosen an alleged PDF dowloader than the man that gave us masterpieces.
Stogie T 🐐💯👌
Stogie t can bury alot of artists in America with his lyrics..... I'm American but this guy is gifted, special with lyrics is like I'm reading bible verses ❤❤
Yes but not Kendrick tho
@@abongilebuwa1265😂😂😂 there's nothing special about Kendrick break me down 2 of his best lines ever 😢lets hear
@Orda-i7h go listen to the Heart part 2 and Heart part 4 and come back here....
@@abongilebuwa1265 lame mid IQ intelligence bro talk about real things stop don't refer me to medeciore stuff ....It's a disrespect to even put an OG in the same line kdot ...No one is saying kdot is not good but even if u check his Diss tracks nothing much his saying than delivering on flows the records u refer me too I know them by heart I've been listening to Kendrick since his debuts from 2007 when he was still mimicking Lil Wayne
Kendrick does not even have a best freestyle rap to his collection ...Absoul outshined him when they went bar to bar Joe badass whipped his ass
Someone who's struggled to deal with drake ..had to write 4 diss tracks just to win ?
Stogie T has done battle raps with daylyt one of the hardest MC's to this decade apart from Arsonal as a battle rapper
Stop capping!!
Yall so confused when stogie put himself up there he is definitely the greatest we have in the country Americans just know how to market their craft thats why their seem better.
He has to put himself up there yes but he's wrong about J Cole, Drake and Kendrick Lamar bruh
go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was
Yeah but saying he's better than Dot is a stretch
Tumi raps raps...Ab- would probably be the ideal matchup from the TDE roster. S/O to Dot though ❤
REAL TALK 🗣️
is this the full episode? it feel shortened.
"A rumbling nasty punch against the crumbling Nestlé crunch"......I don't know how many days it would take for me to come up with just this bar....just go way back into his hip hop archives......every lyric justifies everything that comes out of his mouth right now that one might consider to be "bullshit"....salute Stogie
FIRE💥💥💥💥 TO THE JACKET MAN SJAVA & BIG ZULU I LOVE THE JACKET MAN
No rapper in the history of the universe surpasses Stogie T or Kendrick. They are equally unmatched, and at that level, it's all about personal preferences and biases; no one is definitively better.
😂😂 really,? You still need to know more about hip hop. What about Nas, Andre 3000, Black Thought.
Kendrick is probably the same level with Andre 3000 artistically..Andre might be slightly better. Nas is the most gifted MC ever in history of hip hop if we talk lyricism.
Read white I wrote every night, you will understand it eventually ✌🏿
Tumi needs to go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was ,
Mafoko Ami
Listen to that
Tumi ft that vocalist from Morafe
@Silkouronlife can we please ask Stogie T to make a video breaking down the Drake and Kdot beef & lyrics from their diss songs ?
Stogie hating on Kendrick just like his idol Lupe😂😂😂😂😂i see the pattern, they mad tht he gets hailed as the king lyrically when he doesn't do the extra complicated writing but thing is u need to find a certain balance to be able to make your music impactful otherwise u just another dope lyricist
Real!
Couldn't have been said amy better
His just not that good 😊
His talking lyricist/writing to a guy with a Pulitzer, Tumi has moments when it comes to features and freestyles but to me he doesn’t have a solid album, his good at telling other people’s story about the struggle
Proves his point ,Dot don't lyrically compare to Stogie but getting all the glory as if he is
Thanks for this 🙏🏾
AKA in terms of band has to be the best in hip hop, no cap
Nasty too, HHP also🔥🔥🔥
That Jacket Slikour is wearing 😢 my God🔥📌
Pulitzer price winner Kendrick??? Ay ngeke uTumi uyaginqa😭
I am interested in the battle of yours and Snazz D.
Not 7am cutting Stogie off 😮
Stogie is just stating facts.
If him and Kendrick had the same opportunities,he’d stand next to him.
FALSE... even Papoose is a better lyricist then KENDRICK and Stogie but lyricism without GOOD MUSIC is pathetic. Useless.
go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was
Pulitzer Prize is not given to average artists , Tumi wants to trend on Kendricks name
I do not think you understood what Tumi was trying to communicate.
@@CalvinCycle-zf1uf he said it exactly how he said it there is no cryptic or hidden meaning , dont try to make it sound smart its not
Ppl these days can’t listen nd comprehend
The first mistake he made was saying Kendrick is not special
Listen, we are grateful that institutions are beginning to acknowledge hip hop as a form of writing. However make no mistake: This moment is not a reflection of who greatest rappers of hip hop are, rappers whom kendrick listened to (like Tupac) and with a far more superior lyricism than kendrick. Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Nas etc. If pulitzer was an indication of who's the greatest, then all are deserving in their own right.
Rap manual is real talk
I always took this guy serious till he said Kendrick is not better than him🚮🙇🏽♂️
Kendrick isn’t even top 5 lyricist ever
Dude is trying numbers
Bro don't sleep on Stogie T just because is not as popular as your favorite Artists, it don't mean his pen game is below theirs just saying the guy may not have massive hits or a massive following but lyrically wise the guy is something else 💯🔥🔥
He's not lying though.
he is not lying though my g
fire
Stogie is right.
😂😂to Stogie"you not like us"...
🤣 He's not
Slik stay understanding wagwan shouts out bro stay giving the youngins a platform 🫡
Throwing ASAP Rocky in the list of lyricist is mad business
He's talking about Aesop Rock not Asap Rocky😂
AESOP Rock =/= A$ap Rocky
Probably does not even know him 😂
57:50 trust me, i reacted just like Slikour right there😂
I mean I knew that Tumi from the V is Stogie T... But didn't know he is also Akademiks...
😂😂😂
Man we cant say Kendrick Lamar is not special, im sorry, see thing is, stogie has us gassed calling him the best Lyricist and all but we cant relate to his music, i know the best of us try, his style of writing is cool for wanting people to say u the dopest Lyricist but we wont relate, Kendrick had to tweak his style of writing otherwise he was gonna be an Ab Soul instead of a Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick been special and he had to dumb down but he still top tier as a lyricist and can make people relate at the same time, thts the balance niggas dont have
But Ab Soul is better than Kendrick vele, just as a lyricists, not a musician 😂😂
Stogie T is great, no lie but him saying Cole, Kendrick and Drake ain't special is weird to me. Like when he said there's not a classic album here in SA😂😂😂😂😂
@@theillustratxr I get u bro but don't forget the word lyricist is diverse in terms of pockets and these 2 don't do music for the same purpose, also, back then, Kendrick used to kill Ab 90% of the times they used to rap together and we were there to witness it before Kendrick really let go of the punchlines....yea AB went on to be much more lethal in tht pocket of lyricism
@@theillustratxr 😂😂😂yea it's incredibly weird bro, nigga is just salty he isn't connecting enough with the audience and he feels like.we not tapped in enough and he might be right but bro nah u just lack tht element Kendrick has where his pen could be complicated but it just has so much soul to it it connects and cultivates the audience more which motivates them to tap in even more and understand the meaning behind the pen
@@kay_wondersa698 nah u whyling Ab Soul has killed Kendrick more times
Stogie can crush all the "top 3" FACTS. To emphasize, yes, he's better than Kendrick
I think Punch and Stogie would be perfect on the same song. 🐐
Stogie T knows very well that there's really no criteria for conciouse rap or rap in general... and I think he will never appreciate any generation of MCs that came after his coz that's what old rappers do ... Especially him, he's the only one that do people like that here is SA 4:16 😂😂😂 But he is one of the goats. Ontop of the least
The best in our land
Stogie spitting! He and Lu need to collab
We miss Tumi and Reason. Yungsta CPT only one left
As long as that cigar is on.. We good to go
Stogie t is doing more podcast than releasing projects. We need to be honest, we can't call you a Hip pop legend with just two projects
What is hip pop
What tf😂😂😂
He’s last EP is classic though, you’re probably uninformed
@@G-ManWaseKasiInManchester Shallow was good but the beats, idk man
@@theillustratxr Okay let’s just say you don’t like them. He’s going to perform the EP in France though on +5 venues, if that’s not good enough for then Ay 🤷🏼
Stogie is my favourite SA Lyricist after HHP and Pro…the Drake won take is the most off thing I have heard from him ever. Maybe he is hoping for a feature?
Juts put Return of the king on spotify for the reals fans man hahaha
I respect stogie T a lot and I'm not saying that Kendrick lamar is better than him but saying that Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and without even mention Kendrick lamar's albums and how Stogie will never do a TPAB or GKMC but even lyrically which is something I would say he prioritizes no one in the world storytells like Kendrick lamar not lupe , not jayz and definitely not stogie T , and imagine doing that while being one of the most technical rappers in the world which also is something that I think a Stogie wouldn't do and sure Stogie has some of his good qualities as a lyricist but to say Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and probably the worst L take I've ever heard in my life
❤️ ❤️ ❤️
57:48 the moment i stopped being a Tumi fan
Stogie T must check out (H' and Them) and slikour. Also Lutroo Da-Music. The Limpopo wave
Stogie why ungathi uyathinteka ngendaba ka Drake ... konke nokuthanda le AI .... awuyona ighost writer ka Drake?
😂😂😂
in loving memory of AKA forbes 🐐
No. 1 rapper in Africa ❤
Why y'all always messing it up by trying to act as if we play 2nd fiddle to anyone?
Sabelo Hai 7am almost lost this interview
Tumi did not give Sabelo a chance to answer the question with regards to "Return of a King".
He ran away. 😅
Oh k Tumi Dream is Over....WHAT!!!!!!!!!! Slikour dude should stop but I respect the show, I think Besides Covid u are the reason that these platforms in the Internet are full of Pods Grooti Salute...
“God forgives as you give the church half your shit. I’m bugging still we can’t tell a pastor from a pimp.” That didn’t age well.
I’m glad you joined Team Jesus.
Stogie can body kendrick in a rap battle but for him to say kendrick lost , thats cap. It sounds like he hating ,
Cap
have yall listened to live at the baseline yall cant tell me that doesnt trample kendrick any day?
Tumi is doing more talking than making music
you don't know him.
got him looking like Flabba on the thumbnail
Why is he saying Cole , Drake and Kendrick aren't special? 😭
Siyagula les' sdudla, ukhuluma amafutha
They not because he knows he's good njengabi
Because they aren't 🤷
The thing is, hip hop as an umbrella term conforms to variety of things, but if we talk rap, pure rap, unyansile I'm afraid. They not special compared to him and or what he knows.
@@phumlanindzinyana2400 compared to him is wild cause Stogie can kill three of them but him saying they're not special I think it's wrong
Every emcee should feel like they're better than the next guy, otherwise you don't have to be in this game
Layman's term, he would go toe to toe with k. Dot any day. He didn't say he is better than him.
Lol use your ears...
Jay Z, Lupe fiasco and Stogie T don't have the artist ability Kendrick does. Like in terms of conceptually crafting an album. That’s something I’m into as a rap nerd. I like concepts and seeing them fleshed out. Kendrick has that down better than any rapper. Lyrically yes Lupe is a Beast.. But Kendrick edges Jay Z lyrically...Stogie T sounds like a bitter MC who never made it
Jay Z and Lupe? You should go listen on more time. Kendrick has a flawless discography, but I can't really say he's superior or inferior, artistically
Yes artistically Kendrick is better than both Jay and Lupe. I think the only MC I'd put above Kendrick if we talk artistry, it's Andre 3000.
Lupe??😂😂
Kendrick is dope along with them guys but you cabt deny that he is a media darling
@@juniorpmatroos7912 Yes he is, I fully agree with that.
39:27 listen carefully 😅
Rap has changed a lot it's sad that many people enjoy the beats over the lyrics ... Most lyrics nowadays are meaningless
In all seriousness both J Cole and Kendrick are more versatile dynamic and better than Stogie T in all aspects of the artform and to say they are not amazing lyricists is completely appalling and evident of Stogie's lack of thorough analysis of the topics he engages.
Nah he knows the topics very well but he's too busy boosting his own ego
This man said Asap Rocky is special and Cole, Kendrick and Drake ain’t 😂😂😂and yall want to argue with thay man???
aesop rock =/= a$ap rocky
Stogie😂
Stogie is a top-tier lyricist and 🐐in 🇿🇦. I don’t use the GOAT term loosely like every Tom dick and Harry. His skills are on par with lyricists you'd find on a 🇺🇸 top 50 list if there ever was one. Excluding sales, reach, popularity etc but only focusing on lyrical ability. Just my subjective opinion.
I pray to outlive the Bassline
Stogie T isnt even the best in SA...he must sit Down.
Who is better than stogie pen-wise?
There's not 1 question that stogie has answered ....I don't understand 26minutes
The fact that this dude said Lupe and Asap are better than J.Cole is crazy.. he cleary doesn't listen to Cole.. and yall say this is the goat in S.A?? Smh😂😂🤦🏾
Lupe is best lyricist of all time but ASAP Rocky is nowhere near Cole lyrically
@@Lukhozi_T Yep. Even mentioning his name next to Cole is disrespectful
Aesop Rock not Asap
Aesop Rock? the white dude who be throwing a bunch of big ass words together calling it lyricism??🤣🤣
In fact, that's exactly what Stogie T is to me. A rapper who throws a bunch of gibberish on a beat just to sound smart to the average South African😂🤦🏾
People base their opinions based on popularity and this American what what - just because your artist is from the states does not mean he is a better rapper - Mina I believe Stogie can smoke Kendrick period
Pulitzer Prize is not given to average artists , Tumi wants to trend on Kendricks name
@percykunene5447 I get it and I think you saying that Stogie T can murder Kendrick lamar is your opinion and its fine but i think what Stogie is saying here is dumb. How is Kendrick lamar not a special rapper ? and what qualifies someone as a special rapper ? Is storytelling
that Kendrick lamar did on GKMC not special? Can Stogie T storytell as good as Kendrick lamar ?
Can he flow as good as Kendrick lamar on the beat ?
Does he have the lyrical range that Kendrick lamar has when it comes to using different flows ?
I'm not saying Kendrick lamar is better than stogie T I'm just pointing out Stogies biases cause what makes a lyricist is not complex lyricism only it is a lot of thing and some are good at using some aspect of lyricism and other are good at using other aspects of lyricism and that's that It's Ok to have to goats in rap which are goats in their own way
57:40 I love Stogie, but dude is buggin' on this one. This is one of the worst takes I've ever heard.
Please sort out the sound guys, it doesn't sound nice.
KL ain’t close to Stogie, period.
Blud threw me off on Asap Rocky😂😅
It's not Asap Rocky...I think it's Aesop Rock
Why Stogie be talking than taking him head on
Earl is smoking T
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Nahh Stogie is bugging😂dot would just send Ab-soul & he would smoke stogie easily
But ab soul smokes Kendrick
@@keo9179 debatable but I'm riding wit dot any day
there’s musical evidence to that statement. Go listen to the oldies, turn me up etc.
Thay part remix,TDE cypher lol nah
@@keo9179 nope. Ab Soul is a wayyy better rapper than Kendrick in terms of bars, double, triple entendres, schemes, syllables etc
But not storytelling and making good music so you're tripping
He is trying so hard to be different, ngeke uTumi usephambene.
1) If your understanding of rap music starts when Kendrick, Drake & Cole are the big 3 in hip hop, I don't believe you can have an informed opinion on this subject. 2) If your understanding of diss records started with Kendrick vs Drake, again you cannot have a valid opinion on the topic. 3) If you are not a hip hop fan/listener outside of the club and this moment, again you cannot have a valid opinion on this matter. 4) I see a lot of kendrick fans and not enough fans of hip hop in general 5) S/o Stogie T, those questioning his lyricism should really go and listen to the albums he did as Tumi & The Volume >>>
😂babies are hyped with milk 🥛 just leave them it's their level of IQ