Stogie T On New EP ‘Shallow’, Authenticity, Hip-Hop Bands + More | What A Life Podcast Ep. 5
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Veteran lyricist Stogie T joins the ‘What A Life’ crew to discuss his new EP ‘Shallow’, authenticity, his time with Tumi And The Volume, storytelling and many other topics.
Chapters:
0:00 Getting into Hip-Hop
8:00 Earl Sweatshirt, Keorapetse Kgositsile and The Last Poets
12:00 Hip-Hop is universal
20:00 Winning a battle in Hip-Hop
25:00 Bands in Hip-Hop
34:00 Shane Cooper + ‘Shallow’ EP
43:00 Bonj, Brittney Crush, Msaki’, '80s Love’
48:00 Where the raps come from
50:00 “Drake won”
58:00 Faith + Cassper Nyovest
1:06:23 ‘Shallow’ + lyricism
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This Lady is enjoying listening to Stogie😅, you can tell she's in class and excited at the same time😅
we need this dark skinned guy all the time,
i like how he challenges the audience
Lupe is a master of craft
STOGIE T 🐐🐐🐐
Im not from SA but Stogie to me is the top 10 lyricists in the world far as rap goes
Damn, the room let that "that sounds like you are saying i was a poet first" moment goo. Great timing Stogie 😂😂😂
😂 What did you want us to say?
No rapper in the history of the universe surpasses Stogie T or Kendrick. They are equally unmatched, and at that level, it's all about personal preferences and biases; no one is definitively better.
Tumi/Stogie one of the greatest to have ever done it ...doing it ...will ever do it. He is a gem in the hip hop history as a country ... a continent and 🌎 jikelele vele
Thanks for this 🙏🏾
Yall so confused when stogie put himself up there he is definitely the greatest we have in the country Americans just know how to market their craft thats why their seem better.
He has to put himself up there yes but he's wrong about J Cole, Drake and Kendrick Lamar bruh
go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was
Srogie hating on Kendrick just like Lupe😂😂😂😂😂i see the pattern, they mad tht he gets hailed as the king lyrically when he doesn't do the extra complicated writing but thing is u need to find a certain balance to be able to make your music impactful otherwise u just another dope lyricist
Stogie The GOAT 🐐
Stogie T is the 🐐
The best in our land
Seba Kaapstad🔥🔥🔥 timeless underrated discography
Zādok is super underrated
Dope musicians. 💯
@@slikouronlife true🔥
Throwing ASAP Rocky in the list of lyricist is mad business
He's talking about Aesop Rock not Asap Rocky😂
AESOP Rock =/= A$ap Rocky
Stogie is thee god of SA hip hop ❤❤❤ the lyricist
No. 1 rapper in Africa ❤
😂😂to Stogie"you not like us"...
🤣 He's not
@Silkouronlife can we please ask Stogie T to make a video breaking down the Drake and Kdot beef & lyrics from their diss songs ?
Hope Stogie talks about Return of The King back on stream
I second the motion,I still have a copy from Musica :) Dope way for Tumi to "rest"
Bro
@lettuceandtomatoes4065 ey broe, couldnt recover my drive so I lost most of my music. I cant wait for it to be back. Its one of those classics
AKA in terms of band has to be the best in hip hop, no cap
Nasty too, HHP also🔥🔥🔥
FIRE💥💥💥💥 TO THE JACKET MAN SJAVA & BIG ZULU I LOVE THE JACKET MAN
😂Aaah Stogie....😂😂Yu can't park the car there Chief
fire
"A rumbling nasty punch against the crumbling Nestlé crunch"......I don't know how many days it would take for me to come up with just this bar....just go way back into his hip hop archives......every lyric justifies everything that comes out of his mouth right now that one might consider to be "bullshit"....salute Stogie
I think Punch and Stogie would be perfect on the same song. 🐐
Tumi raps raps...Ab- would probably be the ideal matchup from the TDE roster. S/O to Dot though ❤
Pulitzer Prize is not given to average artists , Tumi wants to trend on Kendricks name
Stogie is right.
❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Slik stay understanding wagwan shouts out bro stay giving the youngins a platform 🫡
Oh k Tumi Dream is Over....WHAT!!!!!!!!!! Slikour dude should stop but I respect the show, I think Besides Covid u are the reason that these platforms in the Internet are full of Pods Grooti Salute...
is this the full episode? it feel shortened.
Stogie is a top-tier lyricist and 🐐in 🇿🇦. I don’t use the GOAT term loosely like every Tom dick and Harry. His skills are on par with lyricists you'd find on a 🇺🇸 top 50 list if there ever was one. Excluding sales, reach, popularity etc but only focusing on lyrical ability. Just my subjective opinion.
Tumi needs to go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was ,
I am interested in the battle of yours and Snazz D.
57:50 trust me, i reacted just like Slikour right there😂
Juts put Return of the king on spotify for the reals fans man hahaha
“God forgives as you give the church half your shit. I’m bugging still we can’t tell a pastor from a pimp.” That didn’t age well.
I’m glad you joined Team Jesus.
Stogie T must check out (H' and Them) and slikour. Also Lutroo Da-Music. The Limpopo wave
We miss Tumi and Reason. Yungsta CPT only one left
Mafoko Ami
Listen to that
Tumi ft that vocalist from Morafe
Stogie is just stating facts.
If him and Kendrick had the same opportunities,he’d stand next to him.
FALSE... even Papoose is a better lyricist then KENDRICK and Stogie but lyricism without GOOD MUSIC is pathetic. Useless.
go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was
I always took this guy serious till he said Kendrick is not better than him🚮🙇🏽♂️
Kendrick isn’t even top 5 lyricist ever
Dude is trying numbers
Bro don't sleep on Stogie T just because is not as popular as your favorite Artists, it don't mean his pen game is below theirs just saying the guy may not have massive hits or a massive following but lyrically wise the guy is something else 💯🔥🔥
He's not lying though.
he is not lying though my g
Is Stogie talking about the same guy who created 'Good kid, m.a.a.d city' and 'To Pimp A Butterfly'🤔 . Which are considered to be one of the best albums in rap...
But nah he's not surely talking about that guy
This man said Asap Rocky is special and Cole, Kendrick and Drake ain’t 😂😂😂and yall want to argue with thay man???
aesop rock =/= a$ap rocky
Pulitzer price winner Kendrick??? Ay ngeke uTumi uyaginqa😭
Stogie😂
Blud threw me off on Asap Rocky😂😅
Every emcee should feel like they're better than the next guy, otherwise you don't have to be in this game
57:48 the moment i stopped being a Tumi fan
Rap has changed a lot it's sad that many people enjoy the beats over the lyrics ... Most lyrics nowadays are meaningless
Stogie T knows very well that there's really no criteria for conciouse rap or rap in general... and I think he will never appreciate any generation of MCs that came after his coz that's what old rappers do ... Especially him, he's the only one that do people like that here is SA 4:16 😂😂😂 But he is one of the goats. Ontop of the least
Layman's term, he would go toe to toe with k. Dot any day. He didn't say he is better than him.
Lol use your ears...
39:27 listen carefully 😅
got him looking like Flabba on the thumbnail
have yall listened to live at the baseline yall cant tell me that doesnt trample kendrick any day?
He is trying so hard to be different, ngeke uTumi usephambene.
Stogie why ungathi uyathinteka ngendaba ka Drake ... konke nokuthanda le AI .... awuyona ighost writer ka Drake?
😂😂😂
At least someone who is truly Hip Hop is brave enough to say Drake won....thanks Stogie. But Stogie, please jump off Cassper Nyovest a lil bit though...
Why is he saying Cole , Drake and Kendrick aren't special? 😭
Siyagula les' sdudla, ukhuluma amafutha
They not because he knows he's good njengabi
Because they aren't 🤷
The thing is, hip hop as an umbrella term conforms to variety of things, but if we talk rap, pure rap, unyansile I'm afraid. They not special compared to him and or what he knows.
@@phumlanindzinyana2400 compared to him is wild cause Stogie can kill three of them but him saying they're not special I think it's wrong
I pray to outlive the Bassline
Anyone who thinks Honey and Pain,Stogie T,Return Of The King,Empire Of Sheep is better than Section 80 lol you crazy,i really wont mention G.K.M.C or T.P.A.B
I disagree. As bars, yes but not musically and concepts
Return of the Kings production was ok musically but bars, top tier but as a body of work, cool. Empire of Sheep gotta be his best as concepts and production goes, Honey and Pain, excellent but not better than Kendricks discography if we're talking about music, intricate concepts
Kendrick Lamar, Drake and Cole are NOT better than Stogie but in making music, never
Yeah musically Stogie T is eating dust but bar for bar, Dot would never out rap him. He couldn’t out rap Drake for goodness sake on 3 songs🤣
@@actuallywhatthehellissouthA there, first part, agree but whether you like it or not, Kendrick Lamar won and destroyed Drake, sorry
In terms of impact, scading disses and destroying the artist's rep and character, Kendrick Lamar won the battle and the war
@@theillustratxr Yeah Kdot won but he had us worried a bit😂
stogie would definitely smoke kendrick bet on it!
Tumi did not give Sabelo a chance to answer the question with regards to "Return of a King".
He ran away. 😅
Man we cant say Kendrick Lamar is not special, im sorry, see thing is, stogie has us gassed calling him the best Lyricist and all but we cant relate to his music, i know the best of us try, his style of writing is cool for wanting people to say u the dopest Lyricist but we wont relate, Kendrick had to tweak his style of writing otherwise he was gonna be an Ab Soul instead of a Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick been special and he had to dumb down but he still top tier as a lyricist and can make people relate at the same time, thts the balance niggas dont have
But Ab Soul is better than Kendrick vele, just as a lyricists, not a musician 😂😂
Stogie T is great, no lie but him saying Cole, Kendrick and Drake ain't special is weird to me. Like when he said there's not a classic album here in SA😂😂😂😂😂
@@theillustratxr I get u bro but don't forget the word lyricist is diverse in terms of pockets and these 2 don't do music for the same purpose, also, back then, Kendrick used to kill Ab 90% of the times they used to rap together and we were there to witness it before Kendrick really let go of the punchlines....yea AB went on to be much more lethal in tht pocket of lyricism
@@theillustratxr 😂😂😂yea it's incredibly weird bro, nigga is just salty he isn't connecting enough with the audience and he feels like.we not tapped in enough and he might be right but bro nah u just lack tht element Kendrick has where his pen could be complicated but it just has so much soul to it it connects and cultivates the audience more which motivates them to tap in even more and understand the meaning behind the pen
@@kay_wondersa698 nah u whyling Ab Soul has killed Kendrick more times
The fact that this dude said Lupe and Asap are better than J.Cole is crazy.. he cleary doesn't listen to Cole.. and yall say this is the goat in S.A?? Smh😂😂🤦🏾
What makes J.Cole special?
Lupe is best lyricist of all time but ASAP Rocky is nowhere near Cole lyrically
@@Lukhozi_T Aesop Rock
@@Lukhozi_T Yep. Even mentioning his name next to Cole is disrespectful
How did Stogie say J Cole is not special.... has he heard Secret Recipe.... Stogie is dope but hasn't made a track like Secret Recipe
There's not 1 question that stogie has answered ....I don't understand 26minutes
Timestamp
Stogie t is doing more podcast than releasing projects. We need to be honest, we can't call you a Hip pop legend with just two projects
What is hip pop
What tf😂😂😂
He’s last EP is classic though, you’re probably uninformed
@@actuallywhatthehellissouthA Shallow was good but the beats, idk man
@@theillustratxr Okay let’s just say you don’t like them. He’s going to perform the EP in France though on +5 venues, if that’s not good enough for then Ay 🤷🏼
I love stogie but theres levels to superstardom and artistry. Lyrically his special but so are those brothers but he shouldnt downplay it lupe could give him crazy work
He said he respects lupe😅
I respect stogie T a lot and I'm not saying that Kendrick lamar is better than him but saying that Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and without even mention Kendrick lamar's albums and how Stogie will never do a TPAB or GKMC but even lyrically which is something I would say he prioritizes no one in the world storytells like Kendrick lamar not lupe , not jayz and definitely not stogie T , and imagine doing that while being one of the most technical rappers in the world which also is something that I think a Stogie wouldn't do and sure Stogie has some of his good qualities as a lyricist but to say Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and probably the worst L take I've ever heard in my life
True though, bar for bar Dot ain’t got shxt on T. T is even more conscious than him, only on song making dot beats him.
worst place for audio recording😅
People base their opinions based on popularity and this American what what - just because your artist is from the states does not mean he is a better rapper - Mina I believe Stogie can smoke Kendrick period
Pulitzer Prize is not given to average artists , Tumi wants to trend on Kendricks name
@percykunene5447 I get it and I think you saying that Stogie T can murder Kendrick lamar is your opinion and its fine but i think what Stogie is saying here is dumb. How is Kendrick lamar not a special rapper ? and what qualifies someone as a special rapper ? Is storytelling
that Kendrick lamar did on GKMC not special? Can Stogie T storytell as good as Kendrick lamar ?
Can he flow as good as Kendrick lamar on the beat ?
Does he have the lyrical range that Kendrick lamar has when it comes to using different flows ?
I'm not saying Kendrick lamar is better than stogie T I'm just pointing out Stogies biases cause what makes a lyricist is not complex lyricism only it is a lot of thing and some are good at using some aspect of lyricism and other are good at using other aspects of lyricism and that's that It's Ok to have to goats in rap which are goats in their own way
Jay Z, Lupe fiasco and Stogie T don't have the artist ability Kendrick does. Like in terms of conceptually crafting an album. That’s something I’m into as a rap nerd. I like concepts and seeing them fleshed out. Kendrick has that down better than any rapper. Lyrically yes Lupe is a Beast.. But Kendrick edges Jay Z lyrically...Stogie T sounds like a bitter MC who never made it
Jay Z and Lupe? You should go listen on more time. Kendrick has a flawless discography, but I can't really say he's superior or inferior, artistically
Who thinks anyone here should be commenting on rap?
Nahh Stogie is bugging😂dot would just send Ab-soul & he would smoke stogie easily
But ab soul smokes Kendrick
@@keo9179 debatable but I'm riding wit dot any day
there’s musical evidence to that statement. Go listen to the oldies, turn me up etc.
Thay part remix,TDE cypher lol nah
@@keo9179 nope. Ab Soul is a wayyy better rapper than Kendrick in terms of bars, double, triple entendres, schemes, syllables etc
But not storytelling and making good music so you're tripping
What drugs did Stogie take before what he was saying today... lol
.
Stogie🗣️Kendrick will eat you up….
"I say south Africa you think Trevor(Noah) I think Nelson(Mandela) it's half apparent you getting mixed messages " Stogie T 💥
But obviously Kendrick is American most people would go for him over Stogie T but in terms of just bars alone Stogie can outrap Kendrick
Big facts !
straight lie
"I know this type of power is gon' cost
But I live in circadian rhythms of a shooting star
The mannerisms of Raphael, I can heal and give you art
But the industry's cooked as I pick the carcass apart" - Dot
what is your criteria
💯 Kendrick Lamar is not better than Stogie T lyrically
Hebanna
Stogie is Nice but the proof needs to be in the pudding
Stogie is better lyrically. He isn't better musically, he can't flow like Kendrick, he isn't as musical as Kendrick. Hip hop has evolved from it's main focus point being lyricism.
Jay-z may be better lyrically but he doesn't make better music which touches people like any of the 3 he mentioned. This goes for Lupe too
True
In terms of lyricism, Stog is light years ahead of Dot but if you base it on artistry then kendrick is the better artist by a mile.
55:03 🤣🤣😂😂 Stogie is kinda annoyed by this guy.
😂😂
StogieT isn't #shallow
- stogie has nothing going on raptully in his life right now , that's why his has the hating bone .
tUMI THE NARCissistic RAPPER
Maybe Stogie is not the guy I thought he was...or I'm just getting older....I find myself disagreeing with everything he says
In all seriousness both J Cole and Kendrick are more versatile dynamic and better than Stogie T in all aspects of the artform and to say they are not amazing lyricists is completely appalling and evident of Stogie's lack of thorough analysis of the topics he engages.
Nah he knows the topics very well but he's too busy boosting his own ego
Stogie T isnt even the best in SA...he must sit Down.
Who is better than stogie pen-wise?
Stogie T is talking nonsense
T talks too much though he’s annoying, I’m sorry 😂
He's not the god mc he thinks he is
@@Vusani187 Cogito, ergo sum.
Tumi is a great rapper. But an awful musician... maybe not far off Kendrick indeed.. Why did he have to mention Asap rocky thou🤣🤣🤣🤣
Aesop rock not Asap Rocky
Like he said… many think know the culture in this country & it’s quite evident in your case
i don't think u can rap like ab soul so lets forget about matching u with Kendrick go listen to black hippy
This man is delulu, clout chasing on a very sad level.
Some Artists are better off just staying in the Studio than actually coming out to expose how shitty faced they are in public. This is embarrassing
I no longer like tumi🤣🤣
He reallly messed up witth this one, we lovee him but damn Tumi
Don't hate him every Rapper has to believe they are the best but Kdot is the best Rapper currently hands out in all aspects
Overrated punk azz rapper that one shem
STOGIE CANT BE BETTER THEN KENDRICK, HE'S NOT EVEN BETTER THEN PROVERB.. let's stop acting like because Stogie uses big words and similes and metaphors and rhymes with words like wizard he's the best thing on the mic, RELAX Stogie, UR 1 dimensional champ, if u were a top tier lyricist u would make great music, but u don't. And to say ASAP ROCKY is a better lyricist then KENDRICK and COLE is blasphemy. Just shut up moving forward
Even ab-soul is better than kendrick lamar
He just didn't have a good team,producers,PR, and maybe a good record label.