Convinced the only reason people slander Jokic especially former hoopers is because Jokic isn't built like a hooper, he's considered out of shape and slow but his technical skill set along with his basketball IQ makes him the best basketball player in the world
That, and there's a lot of hate because he's a dominant white Euro player. A lot of xenophobia when it comes to Joker, Giannis, and Luka. Embiid seems much more Americanized and more liked because of that. Joker is a big Serbian farm boy, and his play style isn't as appealing to the eyes. It's hard for the xenophobic American NBA media to make Joker the face of the league, very similar to when Duncan was a beast. They never wanted Duncan as the face because of his seemingly boring play style.
@@QuestionEverything562 this isn’t true Americans love those players, especially Luka and they loved Duncan it’s just the demographics of those who could go to games nightly vs those who watch it on TV makes it seemingly appear that way.
@@tayluc777 Bruh, who loves Duncan? Nobody ever mentions him. Larry Bird got a lot of racial heat from blacks and super liberals back in the mid 80s for winning 3 straight MVPs. Jokic was going for 3 straight, and then suddenly ESPN sends their slave Kendrick Perkins to denounce the supposed majority white MVP voters for favoring white players like Bird, Nash, Dirk, and Jokic over the last 30 years or so. Nah man, there's legit prejudice against great white players from racist black people out there like Kendrick Perkins. Jokic is the real deal, but hardly ever gets talked about by the mainstream sports channels, purposely so.
I don’t think so offense is offense shooting one thing passing is another kd not 27for me tbh and it only sound crazy cause mf focus on now I look at all time everybody he not passed Scottie
It ain’t disrespect for Chil to put Kobe where he’s at how can he be even in the top 5 conversation if he’s not even the best at his position all time?
@@gmvdmvn …most the people he got in the top 10 he got most bigs most of em not #1 so that logic is flawed to say kobe not in the convo for top 5 ever is disrespectful💯🤝🏾but everyone have they opinion
Scoring is one dimension of offense. Passing is another, and a combination of the two is what makes some players like a jokic, a harden, a cp3, etc so great on offene to the point where they are so good offensively, their defense doesnt get questioned
Even in this series, Jokic wasn’t even a liability defensively. I find it hard for many teams to stop the pick and roll action that Jokic and Murray play alongside his other worldly passing iq. They might make the finals
@@SosanoSammyyy touché. I believe whoever comes out this series is winning the finals. Personally pulling for my Nuggets, but I see a world where lakers length and physicality wins this matchups. Biggest thing is Ad’s consistency and Denver’s bench support for each side.
Hmmm, he has the best floater for a big man I have ever seen, but I would say Kareem, Hakeem, McHale, and Barkley also had amazing touch around the rim. Joker is up there with them.
@@chossone still shoots a higher % on similar efficiency. kareem is the most comparable player around the rim because both kareem and jokic hardly dunk
Spacing is also an important aspect of offense, the ability even in the worst of times where you’re not able to bring other off-ball abilities to the table (e.g. pick and roll, opportune cuts/lobs etc), to still add value for your teammates with your spacing, that matters. And it’s another arrow in Jokic’s quiver.
Ticket really duqed the smoke when it came to harden and doc rivers talk. Ticket was callin chill and Domo out they they name game 5 but after game 6 he just duqed 😂😂😂😂
I’ve noticed ever since Dub hasn’t been on the panel or when he’s barely on, the episode is way better because his level of knowledge is way below everyone else and he just says hot takes to get a click
Jokic is a way better shooter than Hakeem from all 3 levels and the gap in term of play making and passing is pretty astronomical so I don't understand how is Hakeem a better offensive player ?
@@Lefthandrightband So what ? Those aren't valuable skill set that could have make him even better? Hell just if he shot better FTs he might have won even more. That is not even true by the way Bill Walton who came before Hakeem won a chips with a similar play style base on his passing ability and a little bit on his shooting even without the 3 points line, Wilt Chamberlain became a "pass first" big man leading the league in assist in Philly and won a chip playing that way. Kareem was praised for his passing that keep the Bucks competitive as Oscar Robertson abilities started declining. Even Bill Russell was a really good passer for a big man.
@@Lefthandrightband Did you read what I said ? I m talking about OFFENSE. + He was completely fine against Gobert who is 3 time DPOY. Talking being embarrassing and saying that the reason Wilt pass better than Jokic is because he was on the globetrotters.... if you actually look Wilt games a lot of his passes are very similar to Jokic. Saying that passing didn't matter for Center then basically admitting you were wrong by saying than Wilt was a great passer too lol.
@@Lefthandrightband you don't get the point. Read what I wrote please. I am saying that Jokic OFFENSIVE skill set is better than Hakeem because of that. Then you tell me that it didn't matter for centers at the time then literally contradict yourself by admitting that yes Wilt ability to pass was very valuable actually. + if you wanna talk about that majority of Wilt assist are him keeping the ball in the post and giving a hand off to a shooter who either drive to basket or shoot a mid range. That is were 80% of his assists came from. Gobert declined heavily? He was first team all defense just last year.
@@zombie92110 Yet Draymond Green was able to bother him a lot in the 2022 playoffs. Joker is a great low post player, but not on Hakeem's level. Scoring vs scoring, Hakeem clears, but Joker's playmaking for others is what puts him on the level of Hakeem offensively. So if your argument is shooting from mid and beyond, and playmaking is what puts him over Hakeem for you, cool, but Hakeem's overall scoring on it's own is better than Joker's. Hakeem was better inside, Joker often gets stuck and has to pass out because of it. Joker lacks the flexibility, quickness, athleticism, and maneuverability that Hakeem had in the low post and around the net. Joker more often uses brute strength to back down close enough to pull out his small hook. Hakeem had so many different counters for opponents. You should look up Hakeem vs Robinson 1995 WCFs, Robinson is an all-time big man defender, and Hakeem completely undressed that man with low post mastery. Joker has never faced a big man like Robinson, Gobert is a French pogo stick.
@@QuestionEverything562 "Draymond bother him a lot" he averaged 31 14 and 6 on 57% shooting. 'The fuck are you saying bro? + What about the 3 points shot? What about the FTs? What about his touch around the rim?
Hakeem and Shaq post scoring was so good that it added to the team playmaking ability. They consistently drew doubles and triples so it freed up shooters and allowed the other players to play 1v1. That is on the level of Joker passing to me. That is why Shaq & Hakeem never needed a real point guard on their team to win titles.
they drew double teams and would still go up, get stopped, turn the ball over. they couldn’t pass out of double teams across the court around 4 dudes the way jokic can. they might have the same scoring gravity or more but they are not close to the passer or playmaker. you are unintelligent and haven’t legitimately sat down and watch either jokic, or shaq and hakeem.
@@someoldheadtakes That was early in their careers. They got a lot better at passing out of double teams. They would have never won championships if they couldn't pass out a double or get stopped like u say.
@@elmztana1201 it aint even hot in the rest of europe either, im in greece and this time of the year we normally have 75/85 plus and this year we barely have 65 farenheit
Chilltown's take is the most reasonable in my opinion. He was traded to the Phoenix Suns in Feb. 9th, and was injured shortly afterwards. He's only played 8 games with the team, and the team traded away a lot of their depth to acquire him. They weren't supposed to beat the Denver Nuggets with such a hastily put together team. If Kawhi and PG13 wasn't out due to injury, they would of lost to the Clippers.
@@Lefthandrightband Giving a fair critique isn't "schlonging a dude off." I don't think you can plug a great player into a roster that's given up much of their depth and defense, then ask him to cover up their deficiencies and beat a seasoned team that finished #1 in the West. I never thought KD was a Top 5 player, not even in his prime. He's a great offensive weapon, maybe Top 3 in the hardest to guard; but that's just half the game.
@@HeedReactionzzis there anything in my comment that says I know more than him? Reading is essential little guy. He is even arguing a point without basis.
He's still better than Bron nuthugger casual Jalen. Jalen legit doesn't watch anything outside of LeBron and Raptors games, typical casual Torontonian sports fan.
For KD to be the 3rd best player of his generation he sure does get alot of slander , yea his last couple years in the playoffs have been ugly but lets not act like he didnt miss huge stretches of play before the playoffs the last 2 years , coming off injuries and trying ti get readjusted in the playoffs is not the best thing to do , yes he is a bit slower but KD was never this super duper fast mf , he was fast for his height and he still is , still super efficient , his health is the main issue not his game honestly , he was amazing in the 2021 playoffs , he hasnt declined much since then if any to me , he just cant stay healthy , also he suffered a career ending injury in most cases and he’s 34 what do they want
I agree KD don't want to be the man. Don't look like he's trying to get stronger or ish . He's just sticks and bones that can't last a full season and his jumper is falling off.
They didn't show Curry this much love and he had a triple double. All they wanted to address was Steph's subpar 4th. All they want to do is dismiss Tatum's 3 horrible quarters.
steph didn’t average 35/13/10 on 60/45/85 shooting splits. he has one game with 31/10/14 on 40/20/100 splits. one of those 2 things is significantly better. also jokic won 🤣
1:12:55 I dont like when someone does not agree with LOW's point, he tries to become a bully and then kind of mock other people's points. 1:16:16 Marz just said something and rather than just saying why he thinks this, he tries to bully Marz. Like this is pathetic from LOW.
I got KD like top 20-25, somewhere in that range. Tremendous scorer, but his offense and defense doesn't impact his team as much as the top 10 players of all-time were able to. His leadership is okay, his defense is okay, his rebounding is okay, his clutch play in the playoffs is pretty overrated, and he was never able to lead HIS team to a championship. He joined a great Finals prime contender team in his prime to become an overwhelming super squad in order to win titles, that holds weight to some, but not to me. I have him as a top 5 scorer of all-time, but his scoring isn't unstoppable, he struggles with physicality and if you bump him off course a bit, his mid-range game struggles. He also often falls in love with taking threes and when it isn't falling, he will keep taking them. His post up game is average. Underrated finisher in his prime though, he used to make a lot of long leap finishes that were nice to watch.
The slander be absurd man 😂 , he deserves it for how he played but he wasnt terrible and alot of the negativity be cus these dudes still be mad he left for GS
I dont think ppl understand the offensive argument…for example ima just use the scoring and passing thing if u were to say shaq and hakeem were 10s and jokic is a 9 for scoring and jokic is a 10 on passing while keem is a 6 and shaq is a 7 then: Hakeem: 10+6=16 Shaq: 10+7=17 Jokic: 9+10=20 THATS LITERALLY THE ARGUMENT
@@LilMattyall yes. jokic is still a top 5 offensive player of all time and a top 25 player with or without a chip. he’s proven he rises in the playoffs which is rare
@@someoldheadtakes man, Jokic is amazing bro. If he continues to get better, a chip got to be in their future. Multiple even. He will finish his career, Hall of Famer. Top 5 centers of all time. Even with suspect defense.
@@LilMattyall yeah. i just don’t like that. its why i’m big on dudes like nique tracy barkley nash yk. plus i like offense>defense because even if you’re a good defender your man’s still gonna score. why i’m big on dudes like magic, bron, nash, curry, jokic who aren’t crazy 2 way players
Send ayton to new York for Mitch and Fournier plus whatever salary needs to be matched if y’all just want a big to grab rebounds and look for lobs out in phx
@@SAVESEIDI after watching Mitch do nothing but stand around and be a lane blocker all season I want him I love Mitch defensively but we need production jalen can’t be the only one putting up numbers if we expect to win
@@AfroDjedi that’s mostly our playmakers and Tibs fault. Knicks make no effort to get him lobs, only the occasional drop off pass that granted he doesn’t catch often. He doesn’t need to start so we should look for another big who can hopefully pop, Porzingis would’ve been great,but we should hold on to him. Everyone else can go other than hart, Brunson, Robinson. We need a new coach as well, can’t do anything with Tibs lackluster play calling. His style of coaching and strengths just aren’t applicable to this era of ball.
Man held the suns with kd and booker to like 100 or less points, Avg 35 14 10 and destroyed his matchups, but it just isn't enough. Did you all not see how darvin ham and lebron responded and acted when asked about how they feel about how they gonna play against Jokic, they were lookin like they were in for a ride that they have never seen before.... I hope jokic wins it all and has that giannias championship type run to shut up all the haters.
jason kidd above kd for going to the finals twice but never won an mvp, less all nba teams, and who tf did jason kidd play against in that weak east? Kd winning series against kobe , duncan , and more greats
it’s been 2 playoffs since 2016 where kd has underperformed and y’all make it seem like he’s been playing bad for 4 seasons. since 2019 he hasn’t had a good team. Yes he has underperformed but to act like kd is no longer a good playoff performer is ridiculous. Even with his bad play he’s played better these playoffs than everyone except like 5 people.
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Idk what’s funnier Marz trolling or Jermaine actually thinking he’s serious 😭😭😭
Marz trolling is horrible podcasting
Convinced the only reason people slander Jokic especially former hoopers is because Jokic isn't built like a hooper, he's considered out of shape and slow but his technical skill set along with his basketball IQ makes him the best basketball player in the world
That, and there's a lot of hate because he's a dominant white Euro player. A lot of xenophobia when it comes to Joker, Giannis, and Luka. Embiid seems much more Americanized and more liked because of that. Joker is a big Serbian farm boy, and his play style isn't as appealing to the eyes. It's hard for the xenophobic American NBA media to make Joker the face of the league, very similar to when Duncan was a beast. They never wanted Duncan as the face because of his seemingly boring play style.
Fact my homie just said this.
@@QuestionEverything562 this isn’t true Americans love those players, especially Luka and they loved Duncan it’s just the demographics of those who could go to games nightly vs those who watch it on TV makes it seemingly appear that way.
@@tayluc777 Bruh, who loves Duncan? Nobody ever mentions him. Larry Bird got a lot of racial heat from blacks and super liberals back in the mid 80s for winning 3 straight MVPs. Jokic was going for 3 straight, and then suddenly ESPN sends their slave Kendrick Perkins to denounce the supposed majority white MVP voters for favoring white players like Bird, Nash, Dirk, and Jokic over the last 30 years or so. Nah man, there's legit prejudice against great white players from racist black people out there like Kendrick Perkins. Jokic is the real deal, but hardly ever gets talked about by the mainstream sports channels, purposely so.
@@QuestionEverything562 not gianass they accepted him solely to hate on joker and Luka
When mookie start talkin and run outta breath that shit be hilarious 😂
His fat lip big belly ass be tired 😂😂
Nah u foul for that 🤣🤣🤣
Time stamp ?
Best basketball show on the planet Earth. I hope to see the panel everyday during the regular season as well 🎉
Big 🧢
@@jalonrhodes8219what show is better?
36:21 LMFAOOOO aye Bru 😭😂ticket got the whole room livid
Miss these episodes
LeBron lives in Ticket and Dookie's head rent free. Lmao
Straight up
Ticket and Mookie is such a nasty duo 😂
ticket having KD at #27 all time made me laugh🤣🤣
@@Lefthandrightband naw bro, most people dont think that.
I don’t think so offense is offense shooting one thing passing is another kd not 27for me tbh and it only sound crazy cause mf focus on now I look at all time everybody he not passed Scottie
@@Lefthandrightband this isn’t true at all
Started watching when y’all got domo fw tha show
BEST EPISODE SO FAR
Call chilltown out EVERY TIME he tries to disrespect Kobe Bean Bryant. He doesn’t deserve to be let off the hook EVER… ridiculous
It’s ridiculous bro
It ain’t disrespect for Chil to put Kobe where he’s at how can he be even in the top 5 conversation if he’s not even the best at his position all time?
he didnt disrespect kobe he was saying people over kd all time and all of a sudden its disrespect
@@gmvdmvn …most the people he got in the top 10 he got most bigs most of em not #1 so that logic is flawed to say kobe not in the convo for top 5 ever is disrespectful💯🤝🏾but everyone have they opinion
@@gmvdmvn your logic don’t make sense, chilltown got 3 centers in his top 5 lol
Scoring is one dimension of offense. Passing is another, and a combination of the two is what makes some players like a jokic, a harden, a cp3, etc so great on offene to the point where they are so good offensively, their defense doesnt get questioned
Even in this series, Jokic wasn’t even a liability defensively. I find it hard for many teams to stop the pick and roll action that Jokic and Murray play alongside his other worldly passing iq. They might make the finals
@@1onlypatchyup. I want lakers to beat em but they could win in 6
@@SosanoSammyyy touché. I believe whoever comes out this series is winning the finals. Personally pulling for my Nuggets, but I see a world where lakers length and physicality wins this matchups. Biggest thing is Ad’s consistency and Denver’s bench support for each side.
Fluent and Ticket cooked today. This was one of the best segments. That leadership rant was top tier 💯
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Lmao no it was full of sh** and Marz easily discarded that at fumes T
10:18 lmao 😂😂😂😂 pretty, but nothing inside is mad hilarious lol 😆😆
23:02 Chltwn rolling his eyes 😂😂😂😂
AD Jokic gonna be the first real bigman matchup in the WCF we've had in a min
Bro you guys are tripping, Jokic got the best touch around the basket of all time.
Hmmm, he has the best floater for a big man I have ever seen, but I would say Kareem, Hakeem, McHale, and Barkley also had amazing touch around the rim. Joker is up there with them.
Damn of all time is a serious statement what about the sky hook
@@QuestionEverything562 shoots a higher % compared to league average on similar efficiency (slightly less)
@@chossone still shoots a higher % on similar efficiency. kareem is the most comparable player around the rim because both kareem and jokic hardly dunk
Spacing is also an important aspect of offense, the ability even in the worst of times where you’re not able to bring other off-ball abilities to the table (e.g. pick and roll, opportune cuts/lobs etc), to still add value for your teammates with your spacing, that matters. And it’s another arrow in Jokic’s quiver.
Domo coming for vengeance monday
36:14
That was hilarious 🤣
Love that Marz gives at least SOME pushback to LOW on that Jokic topic. He’s amazing but some context is nice.
@@Lefthandrightband the all time offensive player talk. Jokic also hasn’t been the best player for the past 3 years.
Giannis has been the best for the past 3 years. I had Jokic number 2 for the past 3 tho he can be 1 if he win chip
1:28:11 Derek Harper, Rolando Blackman, Ricky Pierce, etc
the panel so top tier
Ticket really duqed the smoke when it came to harden and doc rivers talk. Ticket was callin chill and Domo out they they name game 5 but after game 6 he just duqed 😂😂😂😂
@@Lefthandrightband the series wasn’t over after game 5 but ticket went off on chill and domo bein disrespectful ash tf
@@Lefthandrightband ticket the only mf on the panel that’s consistently cappin bruh
@@Lefthandrightband you can’t even spell lying goofy you a ticket fanboy
How does troll marz just go unnoticed 😭
I’ve noticed ever since Dub hasn’t been on the panel or when he’s barely on, the episode is way better because his level of knowledge is way below everyone else and he just says hot takes to get a click
Facts. Dub does not know basketball
@@Lefthandrightband Domo has been a good addition so far as well
@@Jit21_. domo was the only 1 i liked on his own podcast , he was a great addition , his basketball knwoledge is better than everybody on his podcast
@@Lefthandrightband that’s only when he’s talking about the Lakers. He glazes hard for them 😂 but other than that he’s coo
@@Lefthandrightband stop glazing ticket god damm
53:05 Ron getting threats😂😂😂
Jokic is a way better shooter than Hakeem from all 3 levels and the gap in term of play making and passing is pretty astronomical so I don't understand how is Hakeem a better offensive player ?
@@Lefthandrightband So what ? Those aren't valuable skill set that could have make him even better? Hell just if he shot better FTs he might have won even more.
That is not even true by the way Bill Walton who came before Hakeem won a chips with a similar play style base on his passing ability and a little bit on his shooting even without the 3 points line, Wilt Chamberlain became a "pass first" big man leading the league in assist in Philly and won a chip playing that way. Kareem was praised for his passing that keep the Bucks competitive as Oscar Robertson abilities started declining. Even Bill Russell was a really good passer for a big man.
@@Lefthandrightband Did you read what I said ? I m talking about OFFENSE. + He was completely fine against Gobert who is 3 time DPOY.
Talking being embarrassing and saying that the reason Wilt pass better than Jokic is because he was on the globetrotters.... if you actually look Wilt games a lot of his passes are very similar to Jokic.
Saying that passing didn't matter for Center then basically admitting you were wrong by saying than Wilt was a great passer too lol.
@@Lefthandrightband you don't get the point. Read what I wrote please. I am saying that Jokic OFFENSIVE skill set is better than Hakeem because of that. Then you tell me that it didn't matter for centers at the time then literally contradict yourself by admitting that yes Wilt ability to pass was very valuable actually.
+ if you wanna talk about that majority of Wilt assist are him keeping the ball in the post and giving a hand off to a shooter who either drive to basket or shoot a mid range. That is were 80% of his assists came from.
Gobert declined heavily? He was first team all defense just last year.
@@zombie92110 Yet Draymond Green was able to bother him a lot in the 2022 playoffs. Joker is a great low post player, but not on Hakeem's level. Scoring vs scoring, Hakeem clears, but Joker's playmaking for others is what puts him on the level of Hakeem offensively. So if your argument is shooting from mid and beyond, and playmaking is what puts him over Hakeem for you, cool, but Hakeem's overall scoring on it's own is better than Joker's. Hakeem was better inside, Joker often gets stuck and has to pass out because of it. Joker lacks the flexibility, quickness, athleticism, and maneuverability that Hakeem had in the low post and around the net. Joker more often uses brute strength to back down close enough to pull out his small hook. Hakeem had so many different counters for opponents. You should look up Hakeem vs Robinson 1995 WCFs, Robinson is an all-time big man defender, and Hakeem completely undressed that man with low post mastery. Joker has never faced a big man like Robinson, Gobert is a French pogo stick.
@@QuestionEverything562 "Draymond bother him a lot" he averaged 31 14 and 6 on 57% shooting. 'The fuck are you saying bro? + What about the 3 points shot?
What about the FTs? What about his touch around the rim?
Hakeem and Shaq post scoring was so good that it added to the team playmaking ability. They consistently drew doubles and triples so it freed up shooters and allowed the other players to play 1v1. That is on the level of Joker passing to me. That is why Shaq & Hakeem never needed a real point guard on their team to win titles.
they drew double teams and would still go up, get stopped, turn the ball over. they couldn’t pass out of double teams across the court around 4 dudes the way jokic can. they might have the same scoring gravity or more but they are not close to the passer or playmaker. you are unintelligent and haven’t legitimately sat down and watch either jokic, or shaq and hakeem.
that's why, they won as much without a playmaker.....oh wait 😅
@@someoldheadtakes That was early in their careers. They got a lot better at passing out of double teams. They would have never won championships if they couldn't pass out a double or get stopped like u say.
Marz looking crazy with them hoodies on in the summer time lol
It ain’t that hot in the uk yet.
@@elmztana1201 it aint even hot in the rest of europe either, im in greece and this time of the year we normally have 75/85 plus and this year we barely have 65 farenheit
2:42:28 I am glad people are seeing what I have been pointing out for some time
W ESPN Marz
Black Hoodie Marz elite
Always bring it to the panel, chill always bites the bait😂
The GOAT of players choice.
Chilltown's take is the most reasonable in my opinion.
He was traded to the Phoenix Suns in Feb. 9th, and was injured shortly afterwards. He's only played 8 games with the team, and the team traded away a lot of their depth to acquire him.
They weren't supposed to beat the Denver Nuggets with such a hastily put together team. If Kawhi and PG13 wasn't out due to injury, they would of lost to the Clippers.
@@Lefthandrightband Giving a fair critique isn't "schlonging a dude off." I don't think you can plug a great player into a roster that's given up much of their depth and defense, then ask him to cover up their deficiencies and beat a seasoned team that finished #1 in the West.
I never thought KD was a Top 5 player, not even in his prime. He's a great offensive weapon, maybe Top 3 in the hardest to guard; but that's just half the game.
Bad Matchup KD is still that guy
I dont want to be rude but why do they keep inserting Mookie on the panel. He is clearly outclassed. He looks lost out there most of the time.
@@HeedReactionzz 😂😂yeahhh sure bud
@@HeedReactionzzis there anything in my comment that says I know more than him? Reading is essential little guy. He is even arguing a point without basis.
@@cashmoneyjay9326 😂😂
He's still better than Bron nuthugger casual Jalen. Jalen legit doesn't watch anything outside of LeBron and Raptors games, typical casual Torontonian sports fan.
If Chill was a random and ran his takes by Shaq he would be cancelled bro
1:44:43 I agree with Rob, it is quite rude for LOW to always laugh when somebody is talking.
1:47:05 they laughed at ox but a year later they run the offense through Maxy sometimes they clowns 😂😂😂
Low jokic don’t have the “DEFENSE” to be present with shaq
52:16 correct from Ticket
We ain’t seen Mookie since the Clippers series 😂😂
18:18 back to LeBron 😂😂😂😂😂😂
For KD to be the 3rd best player of his generation he sure does get alot of slander , yea his last couple years in the playoffs have been ugly but lets not act like he didnt miss huge stretches of play before the playoffs the last 2 years , coming off injuries and trying ti get readjusted in the playoffs is not the best thing to do , yes he is a bit slower but KD was never this super duper fast mf , he was fast for his height and he still is , still super efficient , his health is the main issue not his game honestly , he was amazing in the 2021 playoffs , he hasnt declined much since then if any to me , he just cant stay healthy , also he suffered a career ending injury in most cases and he’s 34 what do they want
2:40:20 Marz vs LOW finally😂😂😂😂
Chilltown is a gem
All he knows how to do is pump up Lebron and hate on Kobe
@@bankster3844 he doesnt hate lebron you just love kobe so much so you think any criticism of him is hate
@@RafPos13 then why does he have Kobe ranked 11 all time?
@@bankster3844 its pretty harsh but reasonable ranking when you have players like Magic.Bron,Kareem,Wilt,Tim,Bird,Shaq etc
If I get drunk, then drive my car into a telephone pole and die, I didn’t fail as a driver/human, it was just a step to success!
I agree KD don't want to be the man. Don't look like he's trying to get stronger or ish . He's just sticks and bones that can't last a full season and his jumper is falling off.
Ticket is the highlight of the show stop hating 🎟🎟🎟
If you like someone who just throws out insults the whole time then I guess
Facts. Ticket brings the energy 😂
Cool but he still be hella wrong and illogical
@@Lefthandrightband wtf
Tickets brings the barbershop energy
I thought pc hired someone to break live show into parts? Last video didn't get worked on yet.
KD is at max #20 all time, that’s it. Stop putting him in top 10-15 convos. Stop it!!
Recency bias is insane
Top 15 is crazy even top 20 he’s top 30.
@@tayluc777 stop
Holdon, I thought Marz was a huge Jokic fan. When did that change?
what did i do that suggests i dont like jokic,i just speak from an unbiased perspective not a fan perspective
Jokic is the center that averages more ppg in the playoffs
2:04:39 😂😂😂😂😂😂
jokic real mvp😶
25:11 id say too Russell Westbrook and maybe kyrie irving as stars that played with the most help across their careers
But KD has much HIGHER EXPECTATIONS compared to those two. If he doesn't get it done, off course he will get slandered more.
ticket cooking on that ayton take
now this is what first take should actually be💀
They didn't show Curry this much love and he had a triple double. All they wanted to address was Steph's subpar 4th. All they want to do is dismiss Tatum's 3 horrible quarters.
steph didn’t average 35/13/10 on 60/45/85 shooting splits. he has one game with 31/10/14 on 40/20/100 splits. one of those 2 things is significantly better. also jokic won 🤣
1:12:55 I dont like when someone does not agree with LOW's point, he tries to become a bully and then kind of mock other people's points. 1:16:16 Marz just said something and rather than just saying why he thinks this, he tries to bully Marz. Like this is pathetic from LOW.
I got KD like top 20-25, somewhere in that range. Tremendous scorer, but his offense and defense doesn't impact his team as much as the top 10 players of all-time were able to. His leadership is okay, his defense is okay, his rebounding is okay, his clutch play in the playoffs is pretty overrated, and he was never able to lead HIS team to a championship. He joined a great Finals prime contender team in his prime to become an overwhelming super squad in order to win titles, that holds weight to some, but not to me. I have him as a top 5 scorer of all-time, but his scoring isn't unstoppable, he struggles with physicality and if you bump him off course a bit, his mid-range game struggles. He also often falls in love with taking threes and when it isn't falling, he will keep taking them. His post up game is average. Underrated finisher in his prime though, he used to make a lot of long leap finishes that were nice to watch.
so charles barkley did in his whole career what kd did in 8 seasons in okc but kd if he doesn’t go to gsw he’s like george gervin & dominque wilkins
I would probably say Wilkins was better
15:45 27th overall😂😂😂😂
They couldn’t wait for KD to lose lol
The slander be absurd man 😂 , he deserves it for how he played but he wasnt terrible and alot of the negativity be cus these dudes still be mad he left for GS
But kd still dropped YHE SAME POINTS 😂😂😂WTF ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
Kd ass get his ass out the playoffs
36:00 I sweat Ticket sometimes dont listen carefully 😂😂😂😂
Fluent is lying about the superstar 😂😂😂
Why is Mookie on the panel ?
someone please help me out
People talk down on ticket like mookie doesn’t bring bad energy every episode 😅
I always thought curry and them boys got KD not the other way around
I dont think ppl understand the offensive argument…for example ima just use the scoring and passing thing if u were to say shaq and hakeem were 10s and jokic is a 9 for scoring and jokic is a 10 on passing while keem is a 6 and shaq is a 7 then:
Hakeem: 10+6=16
Shaq: 10+7=17
Jokic: 9+10=20
THATS LITERALLY THE ARGUMENT
Playmaking is the most irrelevant ability for bigs
With all this hype LOW got for Jokic he better win.
Even if he doesn't win can't you see by watching him play that he is a great player?
@@zombie92110 literally winning bias/ring culture is so lane
Kobe bean is top 5 n or ten at the lowest the disrespect must stop
All the talk about Joker, everyone was saying if he had Murray they would be Champs. Now he has Murray no excuses
and they are now in the finals 🤦♂️🤣🤣
@@someoldheadtakes true. Give major props. Job not done....
@@LilMattyall yes. jokic is still a top 5 offensive player of all time and a top 25 player with or without a chip. he’s proven he rises in the playoffs which is rare
@@someoldheadtakes man, Jokic is amazing bro. If he continues to get better, a chip got to be in their future. Multiple even. He will finish his career, Hall of Famer. Top 5 centers of all time. Even with suspect defense.
@@LilMattyall yeah. i just don’t like that. its why i’m big on dudes like nique tracy barkley nash yk. plus i like offense>defense because even if you’re a good defender your man’s still gonna score. why i’m big on dudes like magic, bron, nash, curry, jokic who aren’t crazy 2 way players
Was dirk the leader tho?
Send ayton to new York for Mitch and Fournier plus whatever salary needs to be matched if y’all just want a big to grab rebounds and look for lobs out in phx
We don’t want him
@@SAVESEIDI after watching Mitch do nothing but stand around and be a lane blocker all season I want him I love Mitch defensively but we need production jalen can’t be the only one putting up numbers if we expect to win
@@AfroDjedi that’s mostly our playmakers and Tibs fault. Knicks make no effort to get him lobs, only the occasional drop off pass that granted he doesn’t catch often. He doesn’t need to start so we should look for another big who can hopefully pop, Porzingis would’ve been great,but we should hold on to him. Everyone else can go other than hart, Brunson, Robinson. We need a new coach as well, can’t do anything with Tibs lackluster play calling. His style of coaching and strengths just aren’t applicable to this era of ball.
@@AfroDjedi what makes you think ayton Is going to put up good numbers
You know y’all old cause mars be just trolling 😂
what are these jokic drops in the playoffs??? 1%?? 2%??
Actually agree with ticket, that's on monty
Yooo chill… chilll 😂😂{House party }
Man held the suns with kd and booker to like 100 or less points, Avg 35 14 10 and destroyed his matchups, but it just isn't enough. Did you all not see how darvin ham and lebron responded and acted when asked about how they feel about how they gonna play against Jokic, they were lookin like they were in for a ride that they have never seen before.... I hope jokic wins it all and has that giannias championship type run to shut up all the haters.
Dirk wasn’t the leader on the maverick’s. Jason terry and Jason Kidd was the leadership
Ticket was right about cp3 ngl, Lon city was a perfect disaster
15:24 Kidd played in worst conference ever if it wasn't for LeBron career. That east was trash 2000s to 2018
Chilltown get so emotional about Lebron what dirt do Lebron got on him lol
I don't get the unnecessary slander for the Kardashians.
Stats and winning are not mutually exclusive. You okay to perform well and win. That "Kobe Bryant" mindsets is so stupid.
jason kidd above kd for going to the finals twice but never won an mvp, less all nba teams, and who tf did jason kidd play against in that weak east? Kd winning series against kobe , duncan , and more greats
The Tatum hate is crazy 😂
Andre Roberson and Billy Donovan is why Kevin Durant left
Also enes kanter, that roster was so flawed
2:52:00 Preventative measures is the funniest shit Ox ever said
2:52:02 Chltwn😂😂😂😂😂
it’s been 2 playoffs since 2016 where kd has underperformed and y’all make it seem like he’s been playing bad for 4 seasons. since 2019 he hasn’t had a good team. Yes he has underperformed but to act like kd is no longer a good playoff performer is ridiculous. Even with his bad play he’s played better these playoffs than everyone except like 5 people.
Y’all spend the show slandering kd but y’all still put him top 20 lol y’all make it sound like he’s not even top 30 it’s crazy
Outside of golden state KD hasn’t accomplished more than Tatum or Booker
How many scoring titles or MVPs they got?😂
Thats cap he had an MVP and a finals appearance in OKC and also 4x scoring champ , the KD slander be so outlandish , i swear 😂
76rs got a lot of steps to success
Domo still the best on da panel
Bob just hate KD cus it’s cool to hate em don’t even know why he hate em