The plot twist is that Janeway knew what the aliens were doing and pretended to let them experiment on her as an excuse for her to let loose for a week.
It turns out that Kate Mulgrew had quit smoking during the filming of this episode, and she was pretty miserable. After 17 hours without a smoke, she used that nicotine fit as a release of fury toward the aliens.
Those early season 4 episodes showed such promise and made you believe Voyager had turned a corner. I guess they could have done this script in season 2 or 3 with Kes or maybe even the Doctor on his own discovering the alien intruders. But Seven's presence gave the show and the ensemble such a boost. And seeing frantic, irrational Janeway is always fun...
@@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999 yeah and the idea you can control someone your driving insane is just a lie your telling yourself proof when Janeway blows up one of those alien ships when it's trying to retreat
1:52 Chuck, she's in a relationship, and right now her partner has done something to annoy her, so OBVIOUSLY she doesn't have enough ire to spend on Seven right now, she has to save it all for Tom. Now, later on, when she's not mad at him over relationship stuff, THEN she'll have the disdain she can spread around like Mansa Musa spreading gold during his pilgrimage.
Hey, does anyone remember that episode where the Doctor insisted that Chakotay should trust the aliens messing with his DNA because they must have a good reason? Oh continuity, you will forever be the nemesis of Voyager.
Especially when you consider that in the TNG episode where the Alien's take Picard and three others for their escape room testing they make a huge deal about how they will not survive if they get any closer to a pulsar than several MILLION KM away from it. Having Voyager "badass" it's way into a dual pulsar system with NO shields makes zero sense. And proves once and for all they fired the scientific advisors for the show and hired child magicians in their place.
That and... Janeway separated Tuvix for the greater good of the ship. Janeway forced B'Elanna to take that nasty Cardie's treatment for the greater good of the ship. Janeway risked the lives of everyone on the ship just because the Doctor got pissy about having a few memories wiped.
I love this episode. The “people are out of phase and thus invisible” thing is one of my favourite Star Trek things! 😂 It’s _almost_ as good as “quantum flux”!
Odd thought, but the number of times that they used the Da'Vinci set,it seems that they had plans to use it a few times, but Da'Vinci himself is only in two episodes. Was John Rhys-Davies planned to be in the show more? I think the show was around the time Lord of the Rings started filming so the timing would make sense that he wouldn't be available. Him acting with Robert Picardo or Jeri Ryan would have been glorious
With a better written series, I'd assume Torres is giving 7 slack for an actual objectionable interference because 7 is still new, also feeding into 7's initial characterization of childlike innocence, in turn sowing the seeds of parenting skills for when Torres becoming a mom. When 7 has been around for a few years and gained maturity, then Torres blowing up at her over a minor thing is more fair. Because by then she should know better, and they are long past first impressions.
Thanks for the video. If this episode had actually been altered to fall after S4ep24 "Demon" and before S5E18"Course Oblivion", it could have been used as a view of what the cloned Voyager crew had gone through. It would have made an interesting twist as you wouldn't realize that it is the cloned crew, since they thought they were the actual crew, but things like the radiation tolerance/immunity could be because they were the doubles, a slight clue for people to notice. Plus things like Belana's and Tom's fast paced relationship would match up with them being married at the start of Course Oblivion. Just a slight difference in episode placement and it may have made alot more sense in the overall picture.
Ya know while Voyager wasn’t good at all, I do like seeing how the Delta Quadrant had all these different powers and forces because they didn’t have these grand unifying forces that made sure these powers weren’t going nuts. Yeah the alpha quadrant has the Cardassians and occasional planet of the week, they don’t have this feel that every power is a hostile force that wants to obliterate Voyager.
To be fair, both Alpha and Beta (?) are Federation, Romulans, Klingons etc and their power bases, and the Gamma quadrant has the Dominion. The Delta quadrant having a multitude of independent powers is rather refreshing. But again, it's just poor execution. There could be a loose alliance of races who share knowledge to help fight the Borg (which would at least explain why the entire quadrant isn't assimilated, since it's their home base), but we hardly ever see anything like that in the show.
The presence of the Borg most likely prevented the rise of too many Federation type powers in the Delta Quadrant. They'd be too big a target for the Collective. The quadrant also seemed to have a few more natural barriers like the Nekrid Expanse that kept races separate.
Hey obliterating Voyager is a noble goal! Maybe the quadrant will see the rise of an Anti-Federation that unites everybody in their hate for Janeway - even the Borg Queen would agree.
With a little more effort, the DQ could have been a hell of a space opera... Too bad that didn't happen Look at the sweep of DS9 I mean ... I wish those people had been responsible for VOY
So, anyone can beam anywhere in the ship at any time with no repercussions? And Tom's transport isn't being tracked? Who needs security bypasses when you can teleport anywhere within the realms of the ship with nothing stopping you from doing so. I'm surprised no-one has beamed themselves into the vacuum of space to escape Janeway's wrath.
No wonder Seska was able to so easily help the Kazon kick Voyager's ass. And it's no wonder the Federation constantly has to make concessions to the hat planets that logically should have barely functioning societies if their security is this shoddy.
In a recently-covered episode, we learned that you can just shove the operator aside and have full, unrestricted access to the transporter control panel. There's no automatic lockout, despite the fact that it's been established many times how the ship's computer tracks all crew members at all times through their combadges. "There's no authorized personnel near this console, and the person using it doesn't appear to match the biometric records of any crewmember on file. Should I ask them for a password? Nah, it's probably fine!" Starfleet consoles are less secure than your smartphone.
Hey we are talking about a Federation starship. Security is optional. Most Aliens with no previous knowledge of Starfleet technology can overtake the ships systems in seconds. So a skilled Starfleet officer - and Tom Paris is the most skilled person on the ship - should be able to bypass security systems and sensors in no time.
@@mikegates8993 Let's not forget they forgot to change security codes after Seska left ... i wouldn't trust this people with guarding a bunch of dogs - the dogs would turn their Phasers against them in a nano-second.
I think Neelix has it worse, actually. He is _always_ in the same room as himself and I must imagine there's a little part of him screaming endlessly down the ages. 12:25 I think my brother the doctor has encountered that blood pressure once. It can happen in end-stage pregnancies where something has gone terribly wrong.
I don't know who looked worse, Myleenan Neelix or Old Man Chakotay. At least Chokatay could have done deaf/blind/unable to smell and been better off otherwise. But I doubt he was that lucky.
4 out of 10 lol. One of my favorite episodes. Damn this guy is hyper-critical, but still manages to be funny. Voyager is a relax and don’t think too much star trek series. Nothing wrong with that. I often watched it when I needed a break trying to get through DS9 the first time. As good as the show is and understand why it was called the best, getting through it for the first time was an absolute nightmare.
This is another episode that would have benefitted a lot if the show had more continuity. It's going to take them decades to get back home, maintaining discipline and stress will become big problems. You can't expect everyone to keep doing their jobs and follow all of Janeway's commands for the rest of their lives. Paris and Torres messing around and people getting exhausted could have been shown as the effect the long journey is having on the crew at first. Then only when things start escalating do they suspect external interference.
You are right and wrong at the same time. Yes the show should have shown the effects of an indeterminate length of detached duty on a starships crew and command structure. However, Officers and crew who have military training are taught to obey "lawful" orders for the duration of their service. So yes, they would be expected to follow orders for the duration of the mission. Unless they resign their commission's or demand to be let out of their obligation of duty after their enlistment for the non comm crew at the end of however many years they signed up for. And that would have made for some good episodes as well; does Janeway have the right to strand someone who resigns or reaches the end of their tour of duty time in the Delta quadrant, or does she cart them along in a ship with "supposed" limited resources?
You know what's funny? I remember that there was an episode in season 1 or 2 where Janewy caught two crewmembers "fraternizing" in the turbolift. And she had a discussion with Chakotay about this and the fact that Voyager would need to become a generation ship if they really need 70 years back home. Which would also mean the ship needs different rules than a normal Starfleet vessel. But then this was never brought up again, as typical for Voyager ...
2:15 "For the last time Harry just zip up and leave us alone" - brilliant! Havin' said that, is this episode not just TNG 'Schisms' having been given a lick of dogturd coloured paint after getting the rust scraped off only much, much worse???
I love that anecdote about Jeri Ryan goosing Picardo and being amused by him being in skintight clothes for a change. I get why they had her wearing it but it really is a shame that whenever you discuss this show, you tend to get a certain look when you talk about liking Seven. Ah well. Let's hope Jeri Ryan gets the chance to amaze us once again if those talks about her getting her own show are true. Even if they aren't, we can still look forward to seeing her in Picard S3.
Even when i saw this for the first time as a horny teenager, i always felt pity for Jeri Ryan. That outfit was horrible. But not as bad as a Vulcan with Botox lips and a boob job of course ... While i would love to see more of Seven, i hate the STD/Picard-Universe and her portrayal in Picard so much that i'm not looking forward to a Seven-show. Not with those writers an producers ...
10:39 - 10:48 Well, in the next season that comparison to the Nazi doing experiment on people in concentration camp was touched among in the episode *Nothing Human*
And that was a much better episode ... still would have prefered it as a DS9-episode, because then they could have had the real Cardassian scientist instead of a hologram, but nevertheless better than this crap.
I understand I am going to burn at the stake for this but, I agree with her immediate burn for the stars. She (should) have a fair idea what her crew and ship can do. And more importantly, any time to think allows the aliens to hack the system like they tried to delete The Doctor and mess with the ship.
Except that TNG already established that a single pulsar with shields at several million kilometers would have killed the crew and destroyed the Enterprise D. You really think the USS Reset Button with no shields would better withstand the radiation of TWO pulsars? You been sipping the Voyager technobabble kool aid bruh.
meh they got the transporters and transporter trace to fix DNA damage from the gamma ray no big deal it's not like it would be the first time that has happened🤣🤣
You know, I always think Chuck is more than hostile towards VOY however i do think that Chuck always has good facts to do so, I have been watching his reviews for like ten years but sometimes he has a good point, And i love Chucks reviews however some are very good yet others seem like malice, Still Chuck keep up the great work you are doing, It keeps being great!
Am I the only one to have started saying "Stupid Neelix moment" any/every time someone around me does/says something, well..... stupid? It's surprisingly effective.
This is one of the few times I find myself in disagreement with Chuck. Yeah, it's a bit silly in places, but I kind of liked it. And whilst Where Silence has Lease has some positives, it does also have Worf being the worse caricature of a Klingon, Pulaski being, well, Pulaski, and Riker just constantly saying "no shit Sherlock" situation updates. Perhaps it's a little stronger, but honestly not by a ton, and TNG has tougher comparables. For me, this is a 7/10, turn your brain off and enjoy the fun of an episode modestly above average. I'd have liked a bit more sneaking from 7 of 9, but I liked Janeway this episode, chewing out her officers quite reasonably whilst having a very good reason to be crazy Janeway!
Well the main problem is that these aliens and their experiments make no sense. When you can see what they can do and that most of their actions can be reversed easily there isn't really a need to run experiments on an alien ship. This wouldn't be so much of a problem if the episode wasn't called "Scientific Method" and the writers weren't trying to insert moral discussions. If the motives of the aliens were kept a secret and it was just about the crew finding out what was happening and trying to fight them off this might have been better. I think the episode is fine until the aliens are revealed by Seven and they contact Janeway.
I actually thought this was the smartest (as in sharp) -looking of all Seven's uniforms. The others were ok (altho they just should have given her a standard crewman uniform the barbie suits wore thin) but I would have preferred this be the one they settled on I guess I'm just a guy for brown colors
The 'who has it worse' conversation was more about trying to find levity in the misery of everything they were being stricken with. To turn around and offer help to others in need feels more like an acknowledgement that it was just a bit of subdued ribbing to pass the time, and that self-pity isn't getting in the way of concern for others. But then, trying to argue anything positive in the direction of Neelix is supposedly a futile cause, isn't it?
That is a confused analogy on the writers part. After all the progress made understanding and developing treatment for things like diabetes and heart surgery came from animal experiments. On a related note: Seeing "not tested on animals" on products for pets is hilarious. Do people like there pets to be guinea pigs? Standard use non cruel testing should really be a label.
generally "not tested on animals" refers to things like cosmetics for which animal experiments should absolutely not be necessary in the case of animal products "we burned through 700 gerbils to make sure it was safe for your little Fluffy" is also something that could be done without
@@Feasco If I'm going to shampoo a cat NORMAL use testing should be standard. Don't rub it in the eyes, but use products like normal instead of making the person buying the product use it on the pet and finding out problems with the product that way.
The analogy doesn't even work in its own universe. The medical technology of these aliens is too good. They can reverse anything and their experiments seem to have no purpose other than "what would happen if we do xyz". I don't see how there would be any practical use of the things they "learned" on Voyager. Let's for example say these guys were the Vidiians and they didn't attack the crew for organ harvesting, but wanted to infect them with the Phage to try new medications on them - then you would have experiments with a purpose that are morally questionable.
"Janeway's coffee has turned to liquid polymer." "Still better than Neelix's brew." "Neelix, your head has been severed and reattached." "How can you be sure, Doctor" "Well, for starters, it is on backwards."
Or "Nothing Human" - a way better episode about amoral experiments, because these experiments had a purpose. Instead of the nonsense here ... And Schisms is also great, but as a horror episode.
Janeway (To Tuvok): We need to remind the crew that I'm not trapped on this ship with them, but they're trapped on this ship with *ME* !
The plot twist is that Janeway knew what the aliens were doing and pretended to let them experiment on her as an excuse for her to let loose for a week.
And she only stopped them because they were going to kill a lot of her victims - only she's allowed to do so!
Lmfao
It turns out that Kate Mulgrew had quit smoking during the filming of this episode, and she was pretty miserable. After 17 hours without a smoke, she used that nicotine fit as a release of fury toward the aliens.
I love this episode. One of my frequent comfort rewatches. It's just fun.
A 'fun' episode of Plodder, sorry, 'Voyager'? Never would have believed it. Still don't.
One of voyagers best episodes. Love seeing Janeway chastise Tom and Torres.
@@daveroche6522 You must be fun at parties
Agreed! This episode is awesome. I love seeing “unhinged” Janeway.
“Managing an entire shift while keeping my pants on,” huh?
Looking at you, Lower Decks Episode 1.
Those early season 4 episodes showed such promise and made you believe Voyager had turned a corner. I guess they could have done this script in season 2 or 3 with Kes or maybe even the Doctor on his own discovering the alien intruders. But Seven's presence gave the show and the ensemble such a boost. And seeing frantic, irrational Janeway is always fun...
you want proof screwing with janeway was a bad idea well this episode shows how much of a bad idea that one is
@@raven4k998 yeah she'll go Austin 3: 16 on you
24th century living means 45 is the new 30
@@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999 yeah and the idea you can control someone your driving insane is just a lie your telling yourself proof when Janeway blows up one of those alien ships when it's trying to retreat
1:52
Chuck, she's in a relationship, and right now her partner has done something to annoy her, so OBVIOUSLY she doesn't have enough ire to spend on Seven right now, she has to save it all for Tom. Now, later on, when she's not mad at him over relationship stuff, THEN she'll have the disdain she can spread around like Mansa Musa spreading gold during his pilgrimage.
Classy historical reference. I approve. Though I'd say the spread is more like the full choke on an 8 gauge.
@@bthsr7113 Heh, I do aim for the high brow sometimes...other times I do a barking spider joke.
Hey, does anyone remember that episode where the Doctor insisted that Chakotay should trust the aliens messing with his DNA because they must have a good reason? Oh continuity, you will forever be the nemesis of Voyager.
Especially when you consider that in the TNG episode where the Alien's take Picard and three others for their escape room testing they make a huge deal about how they will not survive if they get any closer to a pulsar than several MILLION KM away from it. Having Voyager "badass" it's way into a dual pulsar system with NO shields makes zero sense. And proves once and for all they fired the scientific advisors for the show and hired child magicians in their place.
@@noneya3635 Shields are for pu**ies. Janeway doesn't need that shit. And a little bit of radiation is a good way to start the day!
That and...
Janeway separated Tuvix for the greater good of the ship.
Janeway forced B'Elanna to take that nasty Cardie's treatment for the greater good of the ship.
Janeway risked the lives of everyone on the ship just because the Doctor got pissy about having a few memories wiped.
6:27 Missed opportunity to show the clip of Picard giggling about drawing a smiley face on the warp core breach cloud.
12:55 I think Janeway was secretly hoping to become the Hulk.
I love this episode. The “people are out of phase and thus invisible” thing is one of my favourite Star Trek things! 😂 It’s _almost_ as good as “quantum flux”!
at 7:36 he's like hey seven like my new face hardware?🤣🤣🤣
4 out of 10?
This was at least a 5 or 6. It's a decent episode to watch.
it should get bonus points JUST for Janeway playing 'chicken' with the Pulsars. ;)
It's back! One of my favorite episodes for crazy Janeway! Lead on captain crunch, lead on!
carful or I will turn you into a milean kid🤣
Odd thought, but the number of times that they used the Da'Vinci set,it seems that they had plans to use it a few times, but Da'Vinci himself is only in two episodes. Was John Rhys-Davies planned to be in the show more? I think the show was around the time Lord of the Rings started filming so the timing would make sense that he wouldn't be available. Him acting with Robert Picardo or Jeri Ryan would have been glorious
It's possible they only had one Da Vinci ep planned, but once they've built the set, it's cheaper to keep using it instead of building a new one.
Sfdebris knows how to use the best quotes
With a better written series, I'd assume Torres is giving 7 slack for an actual objectionable interference because 7 is still new, also feeding into 7's initial characterization of childlike innocence, in turn sowing the seeds of parenting skills for when Torres becoming a mom.
When 7 has been around for a few years and gained maturity, then Torres blowing up at her over a minor thing is more fair. Because by then she should know better, and they are long past first impressions.
how do you stamp a bar code on acid?🤣
ok dynamic nucleic acid🤣
Thanks for the video.
If this episode had actually been altered to fall after S4ep24 "Demon" and before S5E18"Course Oblivion", it could have been used as a view of what the cloned Voyager crew had gone through.
It would have made an interesting twist as you wouldn't realize that it is the cloned crew, since they thought they were the actual crew, but things like the radiation tolerance/immunity could be because they were the doubles, a slight clue for people to notice.
Plus things like Belana's and Tom's fast paced relationship would match up with them being married at the start of Course Oblivion.
Just a slight difference in episode placement and it may have made alot more sense in the overall picture.
this is what happens when you screw with torres hormones making her do crazy things like be nice to seven
Love the show for years thank you.
Ya know while Voyager wasn’t good at all, I do like seeing how the Delta Quadrant had all these different powers and forces because they didn’t have these grand unifying forces that made sure these powers weren’t going nuts. Yeah the alpha quadrant has the Cardassians and occasional planet of the week, they don’t have this feel that every power is a hostile force that wants to obliterate Voyager.
Makes me kind of want to see what the last quarter...assuming I understand what the quadrants mean...looks like.
To be fair, both Alpha and Beta (?) are Federation, Romulans, Klingons etc and their power bases, and the Gamma quadrant has the Dominion. The Delta quadrant having a multitude of independent powers is rather refreshing. But again, it's just poor execution. There could be a loose alliance of races who share knowledge to help fight the Borg (which would at least explain why the entire quadrant isn't assimilated, since it's their home base), but we hardly ever see anything like that in the show.
The presence of the Borg most likely prevented the rise of too many Federation type powers in the Delta Quadrant. They'd be too big a target for the Collective. The quadrant also seemed to have a few more natural barriers like the Nekrid Expanse that kept races separate.
Hey obliterating Voyager is a noble goal! Maybe the quadrant will see the rise of an Anti-Federation that unites everybody in their hate for Janeway - even the Borg Queen would agree.
With a little more effort, the DQ could have been a hell of a space opera... Too bad that didn't happen
Look at the sweep of DS9
I mean ... I wish those people had been responsible for VOY
So, anyone can beam anywhere in the ship at any time with no repercussions? And Tom's transport isn't being tracked? Who needs security bypasses when you can teleport anywhere within the realms of the ship with nothing stopping you from doing so. I'm surprised no-one has beamed themselves into the vacuum of space to escape Janeway's wrath.
No wonder Seska was able to so easily help the Kazon kick Voyager's ass. And it's no wonder the Federation constantly has to make concessions to the hat planets that logically should have barely functioning societies if their security is this shoddy.
In a recently-covered episode, we learned that you can just shove the operator aside and have full, unrestricted access to the transporter control panel. There's no automatic lockout, despite the fact that it's been established many times how the ship's computer tracks all crew members at all times through their combadges.
"There's no authorized personnel near this console, and the person using it doesn't appear to match the biometric records of any crewmember on file. Should I ask them for a password? Nah, it's probably fine!"
Starfleet consoles are less secure than your smartphone.
Hey we are talking about a Federation starship. Security is optional. Most Aliens with no previous knowledge of Starfleet technology can overtake the ships systems in seconds. So a skilled Starfleet officer - and Tom Paris is the most skilled person on the ship - should be able to bypass security systems and sensors in no time.
@@mikegates8993 Let's not forget they forgot to change security codes after Seska left ... i wouldn't trust this people with guarding a bunch of dogs - the dogs would turn their Phasers against them in a nano-second.
@@Lemon_Inspector The computer even monitors everyones brainwaves - at least on Voyager, but that's pretty easy without functional brains.
I think Neelix has it worse, actually. He is _always_ in the same room as himself and I must imagine there's a little part of him screaming endlessly down the ages.
12:25 I think my brother the doctor has encountered that blood pressure once. It can happen in end-stage pregnancies where something has gone terribly wrong.
I don't know who looked worse, Myleenan Neelix or Old Man Chakotay. At least Chokatay could have done deaf/blind/unable to smell and been better off otherwise. But I doubt he was that lucky.
The alien test on Janeway momentarily gave her a conscience..
4 out of 10 lol.
One of my favorite episodes.
Damn this guy is hyper-critical, but still manages to be funny.
Voyager is a relax and don’t think too much star trek series. Nothing wrong with that. I often watched it when I needed a break trying to get through DS9 the first time. As good as the show is and understand why it was called the best, getting through it for the first time was an absolute nightmare.
leave it to the aliens to think making someone stink is a fun scientific thing to try🤣
Honestly, yoloing the ship into a pulsar to get rid of the aliens is pretty badass...
Another example of the term badass having no real meaning anymore.
Glad to see you back here.
For the day? Janeway's made Harry her human footstool for 30 years and counting!
Also Starring Robert Beltran as Skeletor.
This is another episode that would have benefitted a lot if the show had more continuity. It's going to take them decades to get back home, maintaining discipline and stress will become big problems. You can't expect everyone to keep doing their jobs and follow all of Janeway's commands for the rest of their lives.
Paris and Torres messing around and people getting exhausted could have been shown as the effect the long journey is having on the crew at first. Then only when things start escalating do they suspect external interference.
You are right and wrong at the same time. Yes the show should have shown the effects of an indeterminate length of detached duty on a starships crew and command structure. However, Officers and crew who have military training are taught to obey "lawful" orders for the duration of their service. So yes, they would be expected to follow orders for the duration of the mission. Unless they resign their commission's or demand to be let out of their obligation of duty after their enlistment for the non comm crew at the end of however many years they signed up for. And that would have made for some good episodes as well; does Janeway have the right to strand someone who resigns or reaches the end of their tour of duty time in the Delta quadrant, or does she cart them along in a ship with "supposed" limited resources?
@@noneya3635 but 1/3rd of the crew are Maquis who were practically press ganged into service.
You know what's funny? I remember that there was an episode in season 1 or 2 where Janewy caught two crewmembers "fraternizing" in the turbolift. And she had a discussion with Chakotay about this and the fact that Voyager would need to become a generation ship if they really need 70 years back home. Which would also mean the ship needs different rules than a normal Starfleet vessel.
But then this was never brought up again, as typical for Voyager ...
2:15 "For the last time Harry just zip up and leave us alone" - brilliant! Havin' said that, is this episode not just TNG 'Schisms' having been given a lick of dogturd coloured paint after getting the rust scraped off only much, much worse???
Schisms meets Allegiance actually, but yes much much worse.
Hypothesis: Voyager
Result: Yep
I love that anecdote about Jeri Ryan goosing Picardo and being amused by him being in skintight clothes for a change. I get why they had her wearing it but it really is a shame that whenever you discuss this show, you tend to get a certain look when you talk about liking Seven.
Ah well. Let's hope Jeri Ryan gets the chance to amaze us once again if those talks about her getting her own show are true. Even if they aren't, we can still look forward to seeing her in Picard S3.
Even when i saw this for the first time as a horny teenager, i always felt pity for Jeri Ryan. That outfit was horrible.
But not as bad as a Vulcan with Botox lips and a boob job of course ...
While i would love to see more of Seven, i hate the STD/Picard-Universe and her portrayal in Picard so much that i'm not looking forward to a Seven-show. Not with those writers an producers ...
10:39 - 10:48 Well, in the next season that comparison to the Nazi doing experiment on people in concentration camp was touched among in the episode *Nothing Human*
And that was a much better episode ... still would have prefered it as a DS9-episode, because then they could have had the real Cardassian scientist instead of a hologram, but nevertheless better than this crap.
I understand I am going to burn at the stake for this but, I agree with her immediate burn for the stars. She (should) have a fair idea what her crew and ship can do. And more importantly, any time to think allows the aliens to hack the system like they tried to delete The Doctor and mess with the ship.
Except that TNG already established that a single pulsar with shields at several million kilometers would have killed the crew and destroyed the Enterprise D. You really think the USS Reset Button with no shields would better withstand the radiation of TWO pulsars? You been sipping the Voyager technobabble kool aid bruh.
I don't know why. But I could swear this was a TNG episode and Doctor Crusher discovered the invisible devices stuck to people's heads.
With mint frosting 😉
5:32 Worf would take that personally if he wasn't still beating himself up over biting Troi.
Mmmm, deep-fried butter 🤤 Hold the mayo, extra ranch.
Let's see, replicated flowers and intraship beaming. I guess they solved their power problems ... off screen.
Not my favorite episode but surly my favorite Janeway episode.
Also I'm a big fan of the "Janeway has bipolar disorder" fan theory.
meh they got the transporters and transporter trace to fix DNA damage from the gamma ray no big deal it's not like it would be the first time that has happened🤣🤣
Im kinda sad that when the aliens detached from voyager in the pulsar they didnt shoot the unexploded on as a parting shot
Are you familiar with the Delta Flyers podcast? Worth a listen.
You know, I always think Chuck is more than hostile towards VOY however i do think that Chuck always has good facts to do so, I have been watching his reviews for like ten years but sometimes he has a good point, And i love Chucks reviews however some are very good yet others seem like malice, Still Chuck keep up the great work you are doing, It keeps being great!
Am I the only one to have started saying "Stupid Neelix moment" any/every time someone around me does/says something, well..... stupid? It's surprisingly effective.
This is one of the few times I find myself in disagreement with Chuck.
Yeah, it's a bit silly in places, but I kind of liked it.
And whilst Where Silence has Lease has some positives, it does also have Worf being the worse caricature of a Klingon, Pulaski being, well, Pulaski, and Riker just constantly saying "no shit Sherlock" situation updates. Perhaps it's a little stronger, but honestly not by a ton, and TNG has tougher comparables.
For me, this is a 7/10, turn your brain off and enjoy the fun of an episode modestly above average. I'd have liked a bit more sneaking from 7 of 9, but I liked Janeway this episode, chewing out her officers quite reasonably whilst having a very good reason to be crazy Janeway!
I really love this episode. Never got why people don’t like it :(
it shows what happens when you screw with janeway eventually she gets pissed and kills you off by flying into a binary pulsar🤣
Well the main problem is that these aliens and their experiments make no sense. When you can see what they can do and that most of their actions can be reversed easily there isn't really a need to run experiments on an alien ship. This wouldn't be so much of a problem if the episode wasn't called "Scientific Method" and the writers weren't trying to insert moral discussions.
If the motives of the aliens were kept a secret and it was just about the crew finding out what was happening and trying to fight them off this might have been better.
I think the episode is fine until the aliens are revealed by Seven and they contact Janeway.
I actually thought this was the smartest (as in sharp) -looking of all Seven's uniforms. The others were ok (altho they just should have given her a standard crewman uniform the barbie suits wore thin) but I would have preferred this be the one they settled on
I guess I'm just a guy for brown colors
The 'who has it worse' conversation was more about trying to find levity in the misery of everything they were being stricken with. To turn around and offer help to others in need feels more like an acknowledgement that it was just a bit of subdued ribbing to pass the time, and that self-pity isn't getting in the way of concern for others.
But then, trying to argue anything positive in the direction of Neelix is supposedly a futile cause, isn't it?
I like this one, it ain't bad.
That is a confused analogy on the writers part. After all the progress made understanding and developing treatment for things like diabetes and heart surgery came from animal experiments.
On a related note: Seeing "not tested on animals" on products for pets is hilarious. Do people like there pets to be guinea pigs? Standard use non cruel testing should really be a label.
generally "not tested on animals" refers to things like cosmetics for which animal experiments should absolutely not be necessary
in the case of animal products "we burned through 700 gerbils to make sure it was safe for your little Fluffy" is also something that could be done without
@@Feasco If I'm going to shampoo a cat NORMAL use testing should be standard. Don't rub it in the eyes, but use products like normal instead of making the person buying the product use it on the pet and finding out problems with the product that way.
The analogy doesn't even work in its own universe. The medical technology of these aliens is too good. They can reverse anything and their experiments seem to have no purpose other than "what would happen if we do xyz". I don't see how there would be any practical use of the things they "learned" on Voyager.
Let's for example say these guys were the Vidiians and they didn't attack the crew for organ harvesting, but wanted to infect them with the Phage to try new medications on them - then you would have experiments with a purpose that are morally questionable.
*_T H E M E S S A G E !!_* {/drunkenscotsman}
I don't understand why the writers seemed so lazy about this show?
An excellent question....
Man, compare Scientific Method to Schisms for "the crew is being experimented on by unknown aliens". Not even close.
"Janeway's coffee has turned to liquid polymer."
"Still better than Neelix's brew."
"Neelix, your head has been severed and reattached."
"How can you be sure, Doctor"
"Well, for starters, it is on backwards."
Or "Nothing Human" - a way better episode about amoral experiments, because these experiments had a purpose. Instead of the nonsense here ...
And Schisms is also great, but as a horror episode.