basically the older he got the more he used his back and hips to gain power. Nowadays it's very much a rocking motion as he starts by arching his back down.
@@jeremylofipo9758 But his back is more erect nowadays. In the 2000's his back was more curve. look at in the 2001 and 2002. Another thing that I paid attention is in his feets, he doesn´t move when he going to up to hit the ball, look like if he desn't need push with the legs in order to get more power. When we will another player so peRFect?
Wrong, the 2017-2019 motion is made specifically to comfort the back : it was too much involved in his old serve and he struggles with back pain later. As for the hips, I would say that this is much more the legs flexion that increased over time.
Poor chose of footage. Sometimes first serves and others second. You should’ve put some hard criteria so it could be easy to identify the specific details.
He arched his back sideways from 1998 to 2004. Basically the same serve from 2005 to 2017, 2018 he had this weird wind up on his serve as he got into the grass court season, back to normal again in 2019
Two principal changes: a) less bend backwards nowadays and b) the backswing more complete, that is, his arm stays extended in its current form until it reaches the horizontal level. Earlier his serve looked like Domic Thiem's current one (and his coming of age groundstrokes were somewhat reminiscent of Tsitsips's groundies).
Just one question does having a complete backswing like Fed when he serves nowadays have any purpose as opposed to a more Thiem-esque serve with a shorter backswing?
Or Basically you were focusing on his hairstyle which made him look more like the worlds idea of a “European” than before when he looked, well, I dunno ? 🤷🏻♀️
His bh is miles better than Stan’s. Fed can hit his close up on the baseline and half volley it all day long. Technically it is flawless. Whereas Stan needs to hang back to allow himself enough time to load up to hit his.
Goodwin Holley Fed’s also got one of the best slices of all time. Stan cannot take the ball early on his bh and get the same results. It has to be right in his hitting zone.
1st and 2nd serves are mixed in this video. You can't compare them at the same level of view. You should have chosen scenes more carefully to make a more interesting and trustful video.
Okay yes, you do have a point. However, this video only addresses how Federer's serve "swing" or service motion has changed. Besides, his swing is still the same for both 1st and 2nd serves, only the ball toss and arm and body position after contact are different.
Thank you for reply. I understand what you mean, but I have another view on 'swing'. His swings are also different by types of serves. Even if you see his swings are the same till contact, they are technically different because you have to use muscle differently to hit different types of serves, and you can't change your swing only after contact.
SpoderBlitz His legs and the chest opening are diferente serving wise. So, I agree with the colleague above that you should have chosen 1st serves or 2 serves only. But great video anyway.
Personally I like the 2005 and 2007 serve because of the effectiveness and speed of the movement, but as time went by his serve became slower and I don't know if it is because his body didn't respond as in the past or just because he wanted to calculate a little more when he hit the ball.
2015 his serve changed. Instead of the racket going from just down to the trophy, the tip points more to the back fence before the trophy. Anyone else see this?
Serve regression not evolution! The best serve and forehand motion was 2003 - 2006. After that he's been introducing unnecessary extra movements in both strokes.... destroying it's efficiency and power.
@@tennnis498 1 st point irrelevant. Ferrer and Davydenko were the shortest guys to be in the top 10. Height also irrelevant to being in the top 10, height only has advantages for the serve. 2nd point irrelevant. Stats vary based on opponents and surfaces changing . Stats don't show stroke mechanics! Roger stayed in physical prime exactly because of his compact stokes ground and serve in the early days. After 2007 is when we started to see all in inefficient movements in the stroke mechanics and the differences are huge if you know what to look for and study the footage. The one thing that has improved is his movement/ anticipation and that's why he's still a top contender today!
@@allboutthemojo actually it's a great evolution. If his serve had remained the same he would've retired by 2016 maybe... Because his old serve motion arched his back too much and lacked fluidity, provocating back issues in his later career. Result and process are 2 different things, a good result doesn't mean an optimal process. In 2017 the results were just as good, and the process was WAY healthier.
@@魚-c3d that's totally wrong. His old service motion was optimal and had the least unnecessary motion. 2017 was back to old days style of first strike attack. Case in point, that is what got him successful earlier and it did again when he changed his mindset back to attack!
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If that was true his backhand wouldn't have gotten abused as much as it did. With a better backhand he'd be unstoppable.
@@TheWolfSaidPoofy As a total package!
Rainy His backhand is awesome
basically the older he got the more he used his back and hips to gain power. Nowadays it's very much a rocking motion as he starts by arching his back down.
@@jeremylofipo9758 But his back is more erect nowadays. In the 2000's his back was more curve. look at in the 2001 and 2002. Another thing that I paid attention is in his feets, he doesn´t move when he going to up to hit the ball, look like if he desn't need push with the legs in order to get more power. When we will another player so peRFect?
He does that back leg thing to disguise his serve. He puts it down in different spots depending on whether it is a kick or flat serve.
@@nicofm100 serve is not the most perfect of top players
Wrong, the 2017-2019 motion is made specifically to comfort the back : it was too much involved in his old serve and he struggles with back pain later. As for the hips, I would say that this is much more the legs flexion that increased over time.
The title should be " evolution of the Federer hairstyle".
The incredible thing is that his ball toss seldom changes regardless of the serve type
Kinda like Pete Sampras.
the toss is the one part I can't figure out 😂😂😭
Poor chose of footage. Sometimes first serves and others second. You should’ve put some hard criteria so it could be easy to identify the specific details.
Fed's serve was quite an eyecandy in AO 2005 it was really fluid
He arched his back sideways from 1998 to 2004. Basically the same serve from 2005 to 2017, 2018 he had this weird wind up on his serve as he got into the grass court season, back to normal again in 2019
Link or it didn't happen. I doubt there was any "weird" windup during 2018; if there was it is still there.
Two principal changes: a) less bend backwards nowadays and b) the backswing more complete, that is, his arm stays extended in its current form until it reaches the horizontal level. Earlier his serve looked like Domic Thiem's current one (and his coming of age groundstrokes were somewhat reminiscent of Tsitsips's groundies).
And also Use of leg drive increased with age...
@@niceguy5430 May be, interesting observation. Must check it out by myself also.
Just one question does having a complete backswing like Fed when he serves nowadays have any purpose as opposed to a more Thiem-esque serve with a shorter backswing?
I'd go along with that assessment
Great observation.... U have keen interest in biomechanics..
Basically his serving motion started to look sexy since 2005.
Or Basically you were focusing on his hairstyle which made him look more like the worlds idea of a “European” than before when he looked, well, I dunno ? 🤷🏻♀️
@@youngmyth dude ur ghey
Probably he served best during 2006-2009
agreed
Statistically his serve was most powerful in 2014-15
It looks like he compacted his service motion in 2018 and especially 2019 to protect his back
I like how Roger uses his walker as leverage now that's he getting older and out of the tour...
If only he had the backhand of Wawrinka...then he would be unstoppable
His bh is miles better than Stan’s. Fed can hit his close up on the baseline and half volley it all day long. Technically it is flawless. Whereas Stan needs to hang back to allow himself enough time to load up to hit his.
Barry Lee that’s hilarious. Feds backhand has always been his weakness and Stan has the best one handed of all time
Barry Lee and what you said about Stan has nothing to do with his backhand that’s his play style Federer just likes coming in the net more
Goodwin Holley Fed’s also got one of the best slices of all time. Stan cannot take the ball early on his bh and get the same results. It has to be right in his hitting zone.
@@goodwinholley9986 best one handed bh of all time is Gasquet.
1st and 2nd serves are mixed in this video. You can't compare them at the same level of view. You should have chosen scenes more carefully to make a more interesting and trustful video.
Okay yes, you do have a point. However, this video only addresses how Federer's serve "swing" or service motion has changed. Besides, his swing is still the same for both 1st and 2nd serves, only the ball toss and arm and body position after contact are different.
Thank you for reply.
I understand what you mean, but I have another view on 'swing'. His swings are also different by types of serves. Even if you see his swings are the same till contact, they are technically different because you have to use muscle differently to hit different types of serves, and you can't change your swing only after contact.
SpoderBlitz His legs and the chest opening are diferente serving wise. So, I agree with the colleague above that you should have chosen 1st serves or 2 serves only. But great video anyway.
Evolution of a Work of Art.
In the beginnings he made the ball bounce between his legs like Isner. Compare only first serves
ファーストとセカンドを混ぜて比較するとかナンセンスすぎぃ
Thank you !
Personally I like the 2005 and 2007 serve because of the effectiveness and speed of the movement, but as time went by his serve became slower and I don't know if it is because his body didn't respond as in the past or just because he wanted to calculate a little more when he hit the ball.
The views you get are amazing I'm surprised you don't have over 1k subscribers. I subscribed with 3 of my accounts to help u get there.
I subscried too reading your comment lol
Should do one video on Forehand evolution
Yeah I could, except there are a few on RUclips already.
Please do a backhand evolution video.
I'll try when I have the time.
Classy from 2007. Love it more from 2011.
Funny when Roger first came out he played identical to Sampras but then he changed his game to more baseline
2003 jump serve 🔥 nasty it was
This video should be named "Evolution of cameras"
2015 his serve changed. Instead of the racket going from just down to the trophy, the tip points more to the back fence before the trophy. Anyone else see this?
Racket change.
the 2011 and 2012 in reality are taken only 2 months apart lol
Serve evolution as well as video quality evolution.
In the screen photo of the video,the picture with Roger in a black shirt you write year 2009.Actually,it’s Cincinnati 2007👍
Can you do a forehand version too? Thanks 😊
Clips don’t show the full motion
洗練されてきてるよね。
More explosivity every year
2005年のフェデラーが一番すき
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Thq but it gives nothing ...
もっと後ろからのテイクバックの違いを見せろ。
2016〜2017が劇的にフォーム変わったんやからそこ見せないとあかんでしょ。
He copied Pete Sampras to begin with! Very interesing
2017
Serve regression not evolution! The best serve and forehand motion was 2003 - 2006. After that he's been introducing unnecessary extra movements in both strokes.... destroying it's efficiency and power.
@@tennnis498 1 st point irrelevant. Ferrer and Davydenko were the shortest guys to be in the top 10. Height also irrelevant to being in the top 10, height only has advantages for the serve.
2nd point irrelevant. Stats vary based on opponents and surfaces changing . Stats don't show stroke mechanics! Roger stayed in physical prime exactly because of his compact stokes ground and serve in the early days. After 2007 is when we started to see all in inefficient movements in the stroke mechanics and the differences are huge if you know what to look for and study the footage. The one thing that has improved is his movement/ anticipation and that's why he's still a top contender today!
@@allboutthemojo Top 10 is SERVE ranking, check them out. Yes, height is relevant to serve ranking. That’s okay, point taken, I’m done.
@@allboutthemojo actually it's a great evolution. If his serve had remained the same he would've retired by 2016 maybe... Because his old serve motion arched his back too much and lacked fluidity, provocating back issues in his later career. Result and process are 2 different things, a good result doesn't mean an optimal process. In 2017 the results were just as good, and the process was WAY healthier.
@@魚-c3d that's totally wrong. His old service motion was optimal and had the least unnecessary motion. 2017 was back to old days style of first strike attack. Case in point, that is what got him successful earlier and it did again when he changed his mindset back to attack!
Malisimo el video esperaba otra cosa
Not cool. He may think he looks good, but this is the worst looking service form in tennis history.