4 More Whacky (But Fun) APS Shells! From the Depths
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2022
- The whackiest shell would be a sea shell, really.
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Since the Finest Hour ships are basically solid blocks of armor, I’m beginning to see the value in pure sabot rounds. They also taught me a lot about how armoring ships is more than just extra air pockets.
Yup, same here. I've fallen in love with poles all over again. XD
@@BorderWise12 Knew a girl like that once...
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Even they are not armored enough and lack ejectors.
supercav hollowpoint is my favorite, mostly cuz its funny seeing a seabed crawler snipe flying squirrels
I find it to be pretty funny that some of these shells (fuseless penetrators and AP-HEAT) are actually incredibly meta now since on how well they do against armor targets and especially the compact, flying metabricks, which AP-HEAT does really well against
Edit: also fun fact, if your shell has enough kinetic damage or is a railgun, you can often just forgo the solid warhead bodies and just use an armor piercing cap, which makes fuseless penetrators and AP-HEAT even stronger bc all of those solid bodies can become HE bodies. I believe the BBS 5th season uses fuseless penetrators with it's railguns if I remember correctly.
Damage debugging is a really nice feature for seeing how your AP shells are doing, you get a nice green line showing exactly how deep the shell went before exploding.
Note about penetrator shells, dont use flak with them. Flak warheads have 0.1 AP modifier while rest of the chemical warheads have 0.8 AP modifier. Replace flak with HE and you're golden. Also i've heard those smaller fuseless penetrator shells be called SAPHE for "semi-armor piercing high explosive" which i find a quite fitting name (its also an irl shell designation mainly used with autocannons)
edit: oh you noticed it later on with the video, my bad lol
Yup, I figured that out during the video. Better late than never. 😅
I'd say in FtD, AP head+HE/frag+fuze/base specifically is what should be called SAPHE/SAPF, rather than fuzeless ones.
Meg's River of Lead approach with those sabot-frag would be amusing to see
River of lead sounds like a pretty epic name for a metal album.
AP-heat is actually the first railgun shell I made when I learned to make railguns. It's extremely effective against anything that doesn't have 3+ layers of armor or where the air-gap isn't HA on both sides.
that's basically
@@no3ironman11100 I don't mean armor 3 blocks thick but armor with 2+ air gaps. A lot of advanced ships with lots of systems packed in will struggle to have space for this kind of armor scheme (ie kitakami or any GT/LH/WF stuff) at least not throughout the ship. Imo the AP should do 90% dmg and heat secondary just that extra chance to sneak past a hardened internal compartment and detonate something
@@chillbuilder101 Kitakami or most campaign ships aren't examples of "good crafts"
I have been using APHEAT as the ammo of my battleship main guns
It is very usefull against the more advanced steel Striders ships
People in the FtD discord were (jokingly) trying to bully me into using APHEAT shells
Yeah, I feel like that happened to me too there... I still wonder why they critisize me for the APS Railgun HESH Shell Design
@@Justfalor Sorry, should specify that they did so in a very ironic way
AP heat is my default APHE now. It works without rails as you don't need crazy pen. Enough HE to have an effect it its own right and the pen depth fuse to stop over penetration. It pops APS turrets and ammo stores it wouldn't without that bit of HEAT.
I've been using an AP/flak sans fuse for a little while on my big ship. Drills through armor and fills the squidgy bits with a 40+ meter ball of metal shreds. Super destructive and fun.
the penetration fuze was changed to have the same stats as a solid piece i think, so your aphef shell could have a fuze instead of the solid body
Ok! That just leaves the shorter shell advantage, then.
@@BorderWise12 Though if you are at >100 mm, replacing a solid body with a penetration fuze shortens the shell
HEAT-HESH is always fun *particularly with the mod that adds 2000mm aps simple weapons
I've made a couple of wacky shells that are definitely not the best but with the mod I use Aps addons are pretty good such as a similar hollow point emp (hollow, solid, emp, 13 railgun), full sabot (Sabot head, sabot, sabot, 13 railgun), and Shield disruptor heat (shield disruptor, emp, emp secondary heat, 12 railgun) all work well especially the sabot one as long as you know the ai location it can 1 to 4 hits an enemy paired with my 18rpm railgun design I use with them. Megalodon took 4 hits for example hitting from the side.
If you like funny electricity. Shape charges are 'angery playdough' and squash heads are 'Spicy Kinder Suprise'
AP-HEAT is really the most effective of the bunch, though I like to build such shells differently. If you're not using a railgun, it's better to disregard solid bodies altogether and go for a 4 part shell, AP-HEAT-HE-Bleeder. That's how you get the most AP out of them on gunpowder.
As for sabot-payload heads, I don't think their extra AP is worth their 0.25x payload multiplier, you'd need to be shooting something made out of mostly ring-shielded HA to justify the loss against using a shorter AP head shell with more gunpowder. Since the changes, solid bodies seem mostly useful at increasing shell health rather than AP, moar gunpowder is generally the better way.
Keep up the good work
Great stuff
Nice video!
I now demand secondary squash heads. I know they don't exist or make sense IRL and are unrealistic for all I know, but so too is an hollowpoint non-discarding sabot shell.
Is there a mod that adds those?
18:49 Lots of stacked metal? Perhaps another solution to the Singularity-problem? (perhaps if scaled up accordingly)
Now, how's pen-depth EMP work? Can it one-shot anything it pens?
Heeeey BorderWise long time no see...
If you have trouble with pronouncing SABOT, just say AFUS (Armor-Piercing Finned Undercaliber Shell) acronym come from БОПС read as BOPS (Бронебойный Оперённый Подкалиберный Снаряд)
I don't have trouble pronouncing it. It's just no one agrees on how it should be pronounced. XD
@@BorderWise12 Hey Borderwise if the world ever does agree on how to pronounce 'sabot' just mispronounce it from then on because you're getting like several comments per video everytime you say it by people correcting you and it is fantastic for the user engagement algorithm and the meme factor.
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I have a funny gun which is a 150mm mini gun expect each shot is enough to kill a 4m metal beam meaning well, it just melts armour.
Railguns can do that with a ~49mm shell too, though it costs ~3000 energy per shot.
Because Railguns don't have barrel cooldown, it can also fire an extremely fast burst that can punch really deep holes in armor, especially if Tracers are added to tighten the shot groups.
@@dodobird679 hmm interesting, the 150mm mini gun I described is also a rail gun, just at a lower amount,
I don't think sabot payload shells are ever a good idea to use - the improved kinetic stats vs AP head/solid body is not worth losing 75% of your payload. AP head+3 solids+1 payload will probably have better performance in APxKD, more HP, and more payload than Sabot head+sabot body+3 payloads.
Yer definitely right.
@@BorderWise12 I actually tested Pendepth Sabot vs AP against various campaign enemies (15 test battles with each round vs each target) when making a 12 x 14" gun battleship replica build, with no rails, and 6m loaders to fit in the hull.
I wanted to see if being able to pen 4m HA beams was worth the lower base damage and payload.
The comparison was between:
(AP + 3 solid + HE + Fuse + Emergency Defuse + Super Cav + 11.1 powder (5,999mm))
Stats: 1075m/s - AP 29.8 - 12,553 Kinetic - 1190 HE 8.4m (pens 4.6 stacked metal (48))
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(Sabot Head + 2 sabot + 2 HE + Fuse + Emergency Defuse + Super Cav + 11.1 powder (5,999mm))
Stats: 1054m/s - AP 49.9 - 9,599 Kinetic - 827 HE 7.5m (pens 1 stacked HA (72) or 5.9 stacked metal)
(Sabot stacks additively with SuperCav not multiplicatively so you effectively only lose 2/3 instead of 3/4)
A sample of Results (avg over 15 matches):
Crossbones - 105.4s avg time to kill for AP vs 105.2 for sabot
(almost identical, the sabot's higher kinetic damage vs metal and the HA magazine armor made up for the lower damage against softer materials)
Trebuchet - 55.9s to kill for AP vs 65.6s for Sabot
(I thought the LAMS and thick front hull might effect things, butThe weak turret caps didn't need high AP to penetrate & the higher explosive radius of the AP tended to kill them faster, though the sabot had best individual times, with a 30s and 33s AI snipes.)
Megalodon - 583.8s (9m 44s) for AP, and 494.6 (8m 15s) for Sabot.
(The sabot really shined here. The lower shell health didn't matter much because neither shell could reliably penetrate the LAMS coverage above water, but both could make underwater hits even with single shells. The deeper penetration of the Sabot meant that it could reach the LAMS compartments, and engine rooms in 1 hit, and could reach the magazines and AI in 2 hits on the same hole, while the AP needed 2 and 3. The time advantage would be even higher in favor of the Sabot if not for a single extremely lucky match where the AP ended the match at 170 seconds by landing 3 consecutive 12 gun salvos in the same spot into the engine compartment, through the turbines and batteries, and then into the AI box)
How were you able to have the shells (gunpowder included) fit into a 4m clip?
By having them be the right gauge/length for 4m clips?
@@BorderWise12 ah ok I figured it out after a but of messing around, thanks!
Many people on the FtD Discord would probably want to have a serious word with you :D
I don't like that HP has more AP now, it used to be a little bit unbalanced, now its just fully unbalanced, also EMP is very strong now, I feel like Heavy armor no longer serves as the ultimate armor block.
Yeah, the only time I ever really used Heavy Armor was for stuff I REALLY did not want getting EMP'd or damaged, since I enjoy fast things.
it lost more kinetic damage than it gained AP tho.
How do you think: will a frag shell with a little cone (less then 10) work simillar to HESH shell?
Not really. It lacks the AP value and block bypassing properties of HESH, so it's much less effective against armored targets.
i want to make a WW2 or WW1 ship but i cant figure out how to make those hulls
Hull-forming is what pushes people to just make airships lol
@@josephblackstad880 man
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@@BorderWise12 YOOOOOO THANKS
@@BorderWise12 his hull style kinda reminds me of the Excalibur
APHEAT is great, I love to use it just for the meme value. I also like to make time fuzed HEAT shells, they serve both as AA and a counter to light armor.
Sounds like me Generalizer shell, nice!
@@BorderWise12 Yeah. I love to use them in fast firing medium caliber secondary cannons..
CRAM with impact ( thump ) damage is monster !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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