This is great, don’t underestimate the difference a thinner mast makes! I’d highly recommend trying a thinner mast like the NoLimitz on your axis foils. I found masts under 16mm make a huge difference in my pumping, turning, and glide! I’m currently riding 14mm and can’t go back.
Thank you, Kane! I’d also love to try your rear wings. I’ve heard amazing feedback from trusted sources. Thanks for all that you do for the sport. Wakethief@icloud.com
Finally ! Thanks for this review. Happy to see you liked it. I mainly ride the smaller wings while wingfoiling (980 and 1210) but had a really nice feeling dockstating the 1440. I haven't tried it yet on a surfoil session but i will. glide VS maneouvrability is good regarding it's size. it replaced my 1150 axis as a dockstart setup even if it definitely needs a bit more speed to get it's stability for pumping.
Great! Yes. This was long overdue. Very nice wing. I just wish they had same aspect ratio at 1800sqcm. Just not sure the mast can handle a wing that large.
very good video, as usually :-) My 2 cents: *1* : the long "glide" was no surprise, as the mast is longer (more height to descend from) and the wing is faster, so higher speed to decelerate from, till stall; *2* : whales have those tubercles on the "arms" but not on the tailfin, which is in an horizontal position almost flapping vertically like a foil - while the "arms" rotate around an axis. This suggests the action of the tubercles is to block, reduce and/or redirect the *transversal* components of the water velocity, that arise from the centrifugal forces due to the *rotation* of the arm fins. Personally, I think tubercles on a horizontal flapping wing are not particularly advantageous, but if they feel right, why not !
Thank you! All great thoughts. The longer mast certainly helps the gliding distance, but I've found if a mast is too long I can't reach as high of a pumping speed (perhaps due to some flexing due to imperfect pumping), so while it might glide longer because of longer mast I might not be able to reach as high of a pumping speed entering the course. I also might not enjoy the carving as much. Your point about the rotation is sooo good. Thank you. I really couldn't tell if Tubercles made a difference because I don't have a good back to back comparison (ie, same exact 1440 wing without the tubercles on same mast, fuse, etc). I can't wait to see what Dr Shormann learn. I'm guessing it will help us a lot on this journey. I so appreciate your comment. Than you.
about the pumping speed on longer masts: since the foil setup is relatively light, your center of mass coincides with your position, so when you pump a longer setup, the wing is accelerating and decelerating more relative to the water because it's like a pendulum on a longer rope .. maybe after emerging from the active pumping phase, just before the next "diving phase" the wing stalls for a little moment, so maybe that's where the unease of pumping comes from, with longer masts. also, sure, they flex more, you're the one experiencing that so you can tell :-) ciao !
...whales are now probably thinking..."guys please it's not about thinking and feeling it's about doing it"... ...allow me this much about whale's stuff... ...whale doesn't generate power and speed up with front fins...they are for maneuvering/rotating/playing... ...of course that t-les are not contributing to speed...they do quite opposite...(otherwise you would see my boys in American Cup with keels unpolished and uncleaned)... ...then what's the point... ...to make front edge as "bobbly" as possible to produce larger lift generating less pressure of medium over upper surface hance point is to get lift with shorter span... ...try to visualize this... ...some1 gave you WL1750 SABFOIL and you started squeezing/compressing length wise-->you getting "wrinkled" front edge (with the VERY SAME LONGEVITY as in regular 1750 but span is shorter)...that is why T-uma did it... ...if you start hammering ends you could even get those pointy tips... ... ...sorry if I took so much of this post... ...all stay safe smart and salute whales... Peace Love Winging
Based on our scoring system, which is set up around the things we like to do, 1150 scores higher. I don’t think I’d have a preference if I were using it behind a boat. Very similar.
Great Review! You and Dominic have increased my interest in this foil. I agree that a larger front wing option would be nice. I understand that the 1440 has more manuvarability vs the PNG 1300 and the 1300 has better low end to get flying with a Hand wing. For foot pump cruising and max boat towing speed which do you think does better the PNG 1300 or the Kujira 1440. Thanks!
Have you tried the Armstrong 1550 V2? It appears to be an anomaly as an easy pumper, long glide, and an easier foil that is still fast; yet a mid aspect....or it may be just hype? Your thoughts?
Hey there, I've watched several of your videos and you're doing a great job! I love that you got your dream with that twin mast foil design 🙌. I'm riding behind a boat and I'm wondering what's best to be able to ride second wave and first wave and maybe pump around between the two on occasion etc. I demoed the kujira 1210 on 75cm mast. Do you think there's something better than that for me? Or what would you recommend? I'd like to be able to surf and do tight carves. If it's possible to pop out of the water a little bit with straps lol.
Thank you for that. I do foil already behind my boat. I have a wake foil brand. The foil is rather narrow not so wide. I can ride it no problem but there's not enough lift for me to pop out of the water for any air. Also there's not enough lift for me to ride ropeless. So I'm looking to upgrade. I don't have a surf boat, so I'd say it's a medium wave. Does your original recommendation still apply?@@WakeThief
just got the kujira 1440 along with the freedom techno 2.0 board for christmas! How is this setup for catching and surfing waves in the ocean? mainly will surf waist high swell
This appears to be an inherent fast foil, with the tubercles delaying stall and boundary layer giving slower speed glide, but not slow enough for dock starting. Comparing the 1150; If I recall, you list top speed on the 1150 as as almost 13 mph with the ultra short fuse and 370, but 10 mph with the 460/60 stab. Is that right?
Hi Chris! You have a better memory than me. I can't recall the 13mph, but in the review of the 1150 with short and 460 we found max pumping speed at 5.1m/s, which is about 11mph. I'd be surprised if switching to 370 and ultra short would reduce max pump speed by too much, but I do think it would be a bit slower, because of less precise pitch control while generating thrust.
How much do you weigh? I’ve been keen to try dock and ladder starting, and since the kujira line is better for pumping than the lols I assumed I’d be on the 1440, but the 1900 lol might have to be the first step. It is certainly not low aspect, but perhaps a bit thick. I assume easier for learning starting but harder to pump any distance.
Please email me, Michael. Wakethief@icloud.com. Happy to answer any questions you have. I’m 190lb. I think many folks my weight can’t dock and ladder start the 1440, but they’re more skilled than me at dock starting. Dock starting will always be easier with more area and a long fuse (better pitch stability when you land on board imperfectly)
I was quite impressed. It’s quite comparable to the 1010. I could pump 1150 longer / farther than Kujira 1440 because 1150 has better low end speed, but the 1150 has ~20% more area so that can be expected.
Still unsure what foil to buy to dock start and use with wingkiting. Im 160 pounds and windsurf foil with Slingshot Gamma,Warp and Naish Surf, Thruster, and Jet 2450. But unable to dock start. I watched one video of a guy ladder starting with Kujira and getting 90% success ladder starting it. Thought it was the one to go with but not now since you were 0% dock starting. Now its either Axis, Indianna , Konrad, or Dockstarter. Thanks
Many options out there. Anything >1500sqcm should be easiest for you to dock start. Recommend higher aspect ratio wings for glide / long distance pumping. The 2450 should do the trick, no?
Thanks for advice. The Naish 2450 is really easy to windsurf with light winds and seems easy to pump while pumping sail...but unable to dock start nor have i seen anyone dock start naish. I'll wait and see how your review is on the SlingShot Quatum...hopefully its compatible with the fuselage I have.
...sorta of waiting for Naish or Slingshot to come up with a wing that's compatible to my old stuff so I don't have to buy more different brands of stuff.
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This is great, don’t underestimate the difference a thinner mast makes! I’d highly recommend trying a thinner mast like the NoLimitz on your axis foils. I found masts under 16mm make a huge difference in my pumping, turning, and glide! I’m currently riding 14mm and can’t go back.
Thank you, Kane! I’d also love to try your rear wings. I’ve heard amazing feedback from trusted sources. Thanks for all that you do for the sport. Wakethief@icloud.com
Thanks Kane! I'm the only "advanced" foiler still riding the original 24.5 Gofoil mast because it's thinner and faster than the actual ones...
Finally ! Thanks for this review. Happy to see you liked it. I mainly ride the smaller wings while wingfoiling (980 and 1210) but had a really nice feeling dockstating the 1440. I haven't tried it yet on a surfoil session but i will. glide VS maneouvrability is good regarding it's size. it replaced my 1150 axis as a dockstart setup even if it definitely needs a bit more speed to get it's stability for pumping.
Great! Yes. This was long overdue. Very nice wing. I just wish they had same aspect ratio at 1800sqcm. Just not sure the mast can handle a wing that large.
@@WakeThief sure a bigger front wing would help!! I know they are working and about to release carbon masts but not sure how stiff they will be …
Thanks Hadou. I hope they consider going bigger for those of us who are small wake surfers :)
Awesome review as always!
very good video, as usually :-) My 2 cents: *1* : the long "glide" was no surprise, as the mast is longer (more height to descend from) and the wing is faster, so higher speed to decelerate from, till stall; *2* : whales have those tubercles on the "arms" but not on the tailfin, which is in an horizontal position almost flapping vertically like a foil - while the "arms" rotate around an axis. This suggests the action of the tubercles is to block, reduce and/or redirect the *transversal* components of the water velocity, that arise from the centrifugal forces due to the *rotation* of the arm fins. Personally, I think tubercles on a horizontal flapping wing are not particularly advantageous, but if they feel right, why not !
Thank you! All great thoughts. The longer mast certainly helps the gliding distance, but I've found if a mast is too long I can't reach as high of a pumping speed (perhaps due to some flexing due to imperfect pumping), so while it might glide longer because of longer mast I might not be able to reach as high of a pumping speed entering the course. I also might not enjoy the carving as much. Your point about the rotation is sooo good. Thank you. I really couldn't tell if Tubercles made a difference because I don't have a good back to back comparison (ie, same exact 1440 wing without the tubercles on same mast, fuse, etc). I can't wait to see what Dr Shormann learn. I'm guessing it will help us a lot on this journey. I so appreciate your comment. Than you.
about the pumping speed on longer masts: since the foil setup is relatively light, your center of mass coincides with your position, so when you pump a longer setup, the wing is accelerating and decelerating more relative to the water because it's like a pendulum on a longer rope
.. maybe after emerging from the active pumping phase, just before the next "diving phase" the wing stalls for a little moment, so maybe that's where the unease of pumping comes from, with longer masts. also, sure, they flex more, you're the one experiencing that so you can tell :-) ciao !
...whales are now probably thinking..."guys please it's not about thinking and feeling it's about doing it"...
...allow me this much about whale's stuff...
...whale doesn't generate power and speed up with front fins...they are for maneuvering/rotating/playing...
...of course that t-les are not contributing to speed...they do quite opposite...(otherwise you would see my boys in American Cup with keels unpolished and uncleaned)...
...then what's the point...
...to make front edge as "bobbly" as possible to produce larger lift generating less pressure of medium over upper surface hance point is to get lift with shorter span...
...try to visualize this...
...some1 gave you WL1750 SABFOIL and you started squeezing/compressing length wise-->you getting "wrinkled" front edge (with the VERY SAME LONGEVITY as in regular 1750 but span is shorter)...that is why T-uma did it...
...if you start hammering ends you could even get those pointy tips...
...
...sorry if I took so much of this post...
...all stay safe smart and salute whales...
Peace Love Winging
What will be your choice for mainly have fun away behind a sterndrive boat axis 1150 or 1440 kujira
Based on our scoring system, which is set up around the things we like to do, 1150 scores higher. I don’t think I’d have a preference if I were using it behind a boat. Very similar.
Great Review!
You and Dominic have increased my interest in this foil. I agree that a larger front wing option would be nice.
I understand that the 1440 has more manuvarability vs the PNG 1300 and the 1300 has better low end to get flying with a Hand wing.
For foot pump cruising and max boat towing speed which do you think does better the PNG 1300 or the Kujira 1440.
Thanks!
My guess is 1440 is faster because of its lower area. It really is a great foil.
Have you tried the Armstrong 1550 V2? It appears to be an anomaly as an easy pumper, long glide, and an easier foil that is still fast; yet a mid aspect....or it may be just hype? Your thoughts?
Hey Chris. I have this on my list. Will figure out how to get one today and will shoot for a video before lake freezes in late December!
Hey there, I've watched several of your videos and you're doing a great job! I love that you got your dream with that twin mast foil design 🙌. I'm riding behind a boat and I'm wondering what's best to be able to ride second wave and first wave and maybe pump around between the two on occasion etc. I demoed the kujira 1210 on 75cm mast. Do you think there's something better than that for me? Or what would you recommend? I'd like to be able to surf and do tight carves. If it's possible to pop out of the water a little bit with straps lol.
If you don't have a foil, now I'd recommend this setup, with the 910 front wing, instead of the 1150. tinyurl.com/2p9a6w48
Thank you for that. I do foil already behind my boat. I have a wake foil brand. The foil is rather narrow not so wide. I can ride it no problem but there's not enough lift for me to pop out of the water for any air. Also there's not enough lift for me to ride ropeless. So I'm looking to upgrade. I don't have a surf boat, so I'd say it's a medium wave. Does your original recommendation still apply?@@WakeThief
Yes it does. But I don’t do much in terms of aerials. This recommendation is great for surfing.
@@Foil4life I’m here if you need anything. Wakethief@icloud.com. Check out our wake surf reviews.
@@WakeThiefat first I thought 910 was surface area lol. I see it's about 12567, high aspect, perfect, thanks for the reply.
what do you think about chopping the winglets leaving safer smooth rounded tips? they look too sharp and dangerous!. Thanks!
I think it's smart. I don't think it will hurt drag or control much.
@@WakeThief Thanks! I'll go ahead then ;)
just got the kujira 1440 along with the freedom techno 2.0 board for christmas! How is this setup for catching and surfing waves in the ocean? mainly will surf waist high swell
I think it might be too big for large waves but great for 1-2ft, but I don’t have first hand experience … just based on what I’ve heard.
This appears to be an inherent fast foil, with the tubercles delaying stall and boundary layer giving slower speed glide, but not slow enough for dock starting. Comparing the 1150; If I recall, you list top speed on the 1150 as as almost 13 mph with the ultra short fuse and 370, but 10 mph with the 460/60 stab. Is that right?
Hi Chris! You have a better memory than me. I can't recall the 13mph, but in the review of the 1150 with short and 460 we found max pumping speed at 5.1m/s, which is about 11mph. I'd be surprised if switching to 370 and ultra short would reduce max pump speed by too much, but I do think it would be a bit slower, because of less precise pitch control while generating thrust.
How much do you weigh? I’ve been keen to try dock and ladder starting, and since the kujira line is better for pumping than the lols I assumed I’d be on the 1440, but the 1900 lol might have to be the first step. It is certainly not low aspect, but perhaps a bit thick. I assume easier for learning starting but harder to pump any distance.
Please email me, Michael. Wakethief@icloud.com. Happy to answer any questions you have. I’m 190lb. I think many folks my weight can’t dock and ladder start the 1440, but they’re more skilled than me at dock starting. Dock starting will always be easier with more area and a long fuse (better pitch stability when you land on board imperfectly)
@@WakeThiefare you in fresh water or salt. Could this be the difference?
Do you have plans of testing the new axis ART999 front wing?
Yes, Tim. Working on the video now!
It appears the Kujira has faster potential with almost as much low speed as the Axis PNG 1010/1150. Is it as easy to pump?
I was quite impressed. It’s quite comparable to the 1010. I could pump 1150 longer / farther than Kujira 1440 because 1150 has better low end speed, but the 1150 has ~20% more area so that can be expected.
Still unsure what foil to buy to dock start and use with wingkiting. Im 160 pounds and windsurf foil with Slingshot Gamma,Warp and Naish Surf, Thruster, and Jet 2450. But unable to dock start. I watched
one video of a guy ladder starting with Kujira and getting 90% success ladder starting it. Thought it was the one to go with but not now since you were 0% dock starting. Now its either Axis, Indianna , Konrad, or Dockstarter. Thanks
Many options out there. Anything >1500sqcm should be easiest for you to dock start. Recommend higher aspect ratio wings for glide / long distance pumping. The 2450 should do the trick, no?
Thanks for advice. The Naish 2450 is really easy to windsurf with light winds and seems easy to pump while pumping sail...but unable to dock start nor have i seen anyone dock start naish. I'll wait and see how your review is on the SlingShot Quatum...hopefully its compatible with the fuselage I have.
The Quantum 100 fits all of the Hoverglide setup from Slingshot, so same system as the Infinity 76/84/99
I think it is a WETSUIT foil only, too sharp as some say
Yes. It is sharp. Great point.
...sorta of waiting for Naish or Slingshot to come up with a wing that's compatible to my old stuff so I don't have to buy more different brands of stuff.
The quantum 100 from slingshot just launched. I will be trying it before my ice freezes and will share a review.