Check out some Skull Merchant tournament gameplay. She really doesn’t require much skill and even fully prepared with counter sweats still struggle extremely hard. I really can’t blame the DCs, it’s not just the hour long matches skewing the stats.
*Stats and BHVR* It always reminds me how Object of Obsession wasn't changed for so long because the survival rate of survivors using it was so low, not taking into account that the problematic perk was getting straight tunneled out
@@leiah6514I honestly don't think it's even terrible. You get free attention from the killer if you're looking for it, and know when the killer has certain aura reading perks/add-ons. The issue is that Distortion pretty much outclasses it.
I don't think they fix things looking at statistics. They show them and use them as "excuses" because visual support is great and convenient. Old object was a high risk, high reward perk with the massive balance downside of being too strong in swf, letting one player relay constant information about the killer's whereabouts
@@leiah6514The way they like completely destroyed the Halloween DLC afterward is so funny to me. Like Michael has pretty much always been weak asf but then they nerfed all of Laurie’s perks into the ground.
@PacoReer they do heavily rely on the statistics because overall, the development team is.... terrible at the game. I've watched gameplay of them and it just hurts how the people in charge just don't understand the basic mechanics. Or they do understand it and just aren't good at utilizing them.
One thing to note right now, Singularity's pickrate is probably currently inflated purely because of the tome. People are playing him not because they enjoy him, but they want the BP for completing his challenges.
@@DumbCrow1 Does it massively boost someone's numbers? No, not by an insane amount but with less popular killers like when we had a twins tome I couldn't tell you the last time I saw one before their tome but during it I saw them frequently.
I think another fact about Singularity is his skill floor. You can play him and do ok, but to do great as him, you need to know a lot of knowledge. I have a few friends who main Hux (and I've been getting into him myself) and they all say he has the highest skill floor in the game, but it's by far one of the most rewarding from how fun he is to play (Even if he's not as strong as Nurse or Blight)
Another thing about Pinhead being so low, BHVR nerfed Hoarder to where it no longer procced on the box being picked up, that and Franklin's no longer makes survivors drop killer specific items. This alone made a lot of Pinhead players drop him, as so many relied on the ease of constant chain hunts using those two perks
Wait Franklin's doesn't work on killer exclusive items? No wonder why when I was playing the Anomaly I was getting EMP'd all the time even with Franklin's
@@liljon042 Yep sadly. I'm really not sure why they went through with that change, but I guess it was to prevent griefing maybe? As for the Hoarder change though, yeah that was completely unwarranted. It definitely did not need a nerf, it was always a terrible perk and the only time it was useful was when it procced on Pinhead's box, but with that gone, there's literally no reason to use it anymore. Sad :(
@@terrypennington2519it was specifically for singularity as emps were incredibly strong so having the killer just make survivors drop them would have been too strong and “eliminate” counterplay.
Yeah, the main issue with Singularity (for me) is that it just feels like I'm playing a micro-managing simulator. So much effort put into trying to get a down just to have a single EMP destroy most of my effort.
He’s really fun if you like that playstyle though, there’s a lot of Singularity mains you can watch to basically negate EMPs. Maybe I’m biased since I think he’s a more balanced Nurse and enjoy him, but he’s always gonna have that negativity because people like easy killers like Wraith or easier strong ones like Wesker. I just like that my Singularity matches always feel like it was dependent on my skill rather than the map and survivor I face.
@@leiah6514 I agree here too, i enjoy the micro aspect of the Singularity and i enjoy having to keep track of multiple things at once, sure its a lot more effort to play than any other killer, so i still like playing simpler killers like dredge when i get tired of it, but the amount of effort IS what makes it fun imo, although i can also understand that its precisely why people may not like playing Singu either, but the high skill ceiling, the playstyle, feel of it, the control, overall feels pretty good which are to me a nice extra that just solidifies it as a fun killer to play
Nah, he’s not that great, just ok. You have too much mental stack playing him. believe it or not, many characters in fighting games are considered bad for having too high a skill ceiling, Like F.A.N.G. In SF5. Being overly technical is a detriment, especially if after the effort you aren’t even a top tier.
@@djandjb1 Same concept applies to Path of Exile. Some builds are technically stronger, but require way more button presses/micro management, thus making them go down on tier lists or come with an asterisk.
I think both Wesker and Huntress have their stats 'deflated' by newer players. A new Wesker will waste a bunch of time dashing into corners, and a new Huntress will whiff most her shots. They both lose stats only due to their popularity (8.76% Wesk, 6.27% Hunt pick rates).
Smart (wo)man. I said the same thing about Wesker in a comment. High pick rates means lower skilled players will pull down kill rates, whereas higher skilled players will make them rise, but there are way more bad players than good, so you get a mediocre kill rate.
it works the other way around too the lesser picked killers will get comparatively inflated kill rate because there always are more experienced players who are playing them because they like to play that killer but proportion of less experienced players a lot smaller. hag is perfect example of this but it is a case for all of them
@@drmagg666 Yeah that's how the stats work but people are stupid and don't realize that shitty players make insane killers look weak. Nurse is always one of, if not the lowest kill rate because how much noobs suck with her. I'm just tired of arguing with people about how stupid strong Wesker is, especially for how easy he is. So it would be nice to have stats to back that up, but because there are way too many Wesker players, and too many shitty players overall, you get Wesker with a 50% kill rate.
Always felt Huntress was a bit over rated. People seem to focus too much on potential instead of actuality. There are games where she pops off, but there are many more where she doesn't.
Abt Freddy: Scott you really, REALLY underestimate 1 - how bad new players are in chase 2 - how immersed they get when they dont have a terror radius to go off of. 3 - how scared new players are to touch gens once they know the killer can come thru at any time. Doubly so if they're hurt. Plus like even average players still make odd choices. I've seen players still teabag me off a gen to wake them up for the 3rd time. And a lot of Freddy players run endgame, and a lot of average players treat endgame as "gg ez" already.
Another factor with Freddy players or weaker killers that have high kill rates, is there’s a larger probability that they’re simply just better at the game because they’re not dependent on the most broken builds or strongest powers in order to achieve good results.
Yeah Pinhead's entire strength as a character since inception has been that solo Q just can't handle him 90% of the time because of the lack of info. As solo Q gets more info Pinhead progressively gets worse.
He was also badly bugged for weeks, maybe months. Downing someone with the box often wouldn't start a chain hunt. Bhvr fixed it though, wonder if his killrate will start to creep back up a bit
I think Wesker's killrate went down a lot because of a combination of buffed vaults and the changes to his windowgrab making it so that instead of him consistently grabbing you as you vault, forcing you next to him, and having a much shorter distance post-grab, either he doesn't quite make it and deals no damage, or buttslaps you after you vault and so you make the vault distance + full run distance. It doesn't seem like a lot, but together, that could add a LOT of extra chase time which would reflect a lower kill rate.
This is 100% what happened. An additonal note is that Wesker used to completely waste a survivors Lithe if he grabbed them mid window vault. Lithe would activate but the duration would be spent up while the survivor was sitting there being grabbed. That also doesn't happen anymore.
that might be true! a few days ago i played as him and slapped the survivors butt after they vaulted a pallet, downing them as a result. after that i had to spent ~2 seconds on his tentacle retraction animation + 3 seconds on breaking a pallet and then finally picking up a guy, even though recently i could just grab them if virulent bound would touch them slightly. it might look not much but this bound bug in particular saved a lot of time in general
If you want to beat nurse you HAVE TO DO THE GENS. I've been in matches where we will let teammates reach second stage just to do a gen. It's the strongest and only counter
Makes sense. With other killers like Blight or Billy, you can at the very least play like a basic killer. With nurse, there's no fallback strategy. If you can't teleport well, you're practically helpless.
Just another factor unless I missed it is that brand new players arent uploading to nightlight so the data will inherently skew upwards to match with interest in the game and some minimal amount of play time. (No one is adding their first match to night light or the first few hundred as well.)
This reminds me of a video Scott did months ago where he was survivor against a billy in RCPD and straight up did nothing but loop the billy at one spot for like half the vid to see if he could learn and improve to successfully get the down. iirc he helped them hunt down the rest of the survivors at the end, major chad moment
Yeah. Survivors not doing any generators immediately when they're idle is so devastating to the team at the moment. It's why the highest kill rate in this list are killers who either add secondary objectives to the survivors or do hit and run tactics. This works on survivor in general since half the time these randoms can't figure out that they don't have the leniency to f around like they did two years ago lol.
yep. they fall asleep, get scared, run for the clock that is always on the other side of the map, repeat 90 seconds later. even on the smaller maps they'll be spending more time going to the clocks than on gens.
I like playing Freddy. I got called a hacker once for setting up 4 random pools at the start because I was bored. And pallet Freddy isn't the weakest. I get 2-3 hooks a match from survivors not remembering if a pallet is fake or not. Enduring fury and bamboozle if you want to end chases easily. Obviously a swf will run miles around him, but they'll do that for most pub killers. A good one at least.
""I get 2-3 hooks a match from survivors not remembering if a pallet is fake or not" Hooks are not equal to kills, and you're probably playing against low MMR newbies. Pallet freddy IS the weakest one. A fake pallet doesn't work unless a survivor is asleep, runs to said fake pallet, and attempts to loop it. Puddle freddy only needs you to be asleep. You're not very bright. TL;DR Clown post made by a player with bedrock level MMR who has a h*rd-on for freddy. Copium. @@Kersakofu
Seeing Nemesis at the Bottom next to Singularity and Hillbilly is kinda sad. He deserves so much better, got overshadowed by Wesker and now Xenomorph is just a Straight up Upgrade from Nemesis, having access to Mobility and not needing to hit people 3 times to acually down them with his power. I get that Xenomorph has to build up its ability and can get knocked out of it, but it comes back in like 3 seconds when you enter a tunnel. Not to mention Nemesis needs to tier up first to acually become a threat.
@@k0n682 knowing the devs, they ain't touching hillbilly anytime soon, unless its a nerf lmao. About Singularity, he's fine just like Scott said. Its just that for the amount of skill and attention you need when playing him, the payoff is much less as someone like Blight, Nurse and Spirit. I dont think buffing him is a good idea either, unless they maybe slightly increase the EMP print time by another few seconds.
Nemesis does need a change, maybe not a direct buff but something to make him more of a general threat. I think the buff should just be his zombies getting a small speed buff, frankly they are useless on most maps anyway, and Nemesis can’t really use them to his benefit unless the survivors just don’t pay attention
Freddy is probably that high because survivors just run the entire way across the map to use his clocks every single time they fall asleep, I see it every time I vs a Freddy in solo q.
It’s mainly because he requires virtually no effort. The top of the charts is always dictated by either cheese strats or difficulty to play. No console player is gonna do well with Singularity, but a Freddy requires almost no brain power. A killer like Sadako is easy to accidentally stomp with without as much strategy, and obviously Skull Merchant is designed to win from a tunnel or an hour long match with no counterplay.
@@leiah6514 I think it's less about the brainpower required and more about the killers being difficult to organise around in solo q. Like 3 survivors running for pinheads box or just no one going for it at all, also players self caring every time they are injured against Legion with sloppy the survivors are never gonna win. But yeah definitely what you said too.
Spirit’s placement makes sense, most people don’t really pay attention to sound. For two years I have played this game, most of my maches had eurobeat in the background
The billy gigachad part its just perfect, im one of them and i also play against them and its always this, the gigachads no slowdowns just gigaturns 2 kills-3 max but every chainsaw its a highlight
@@keeperofthehammer6795 relatable. "You keep asking me if I like sacrificing baby survivors...[gesticulates in despair] *All* I *have* are baby survivors." -Joker
Freddy is an all-rounder killer, with some sort of teleport, anti-loop, stealth and slowdown (in terms of searching for and using clocks). I think that's why he has such a high kill rate--he's not particularly good at any one thing, but he's got a little bit of everything and that's sufficient to get a decent amount of kills against most teams.
I think part of singularity's rate is also explained by his horrendous adept, which should still impact his overall performance a bit with him being this new, as well the tome challenges.
I am a NL uploader and that adept is the main reason why I have so many games on him lol. I started doing his adept on his first tries and never played him with real perks before I did it. And it was the most frustrating adept, not due to perks, but due to how hard he is to play.
I think it's the tier 3 auto expose in general. It's hard to hook rescue against regular Myers too. So if he decided to guard the hook, you generally have to respect him and give him the kill.
I played against my first singularity yesterday. He tried REALLY hard to kill anyone. By the last gen, he had one down, one hook, and just went and stood in the basement for the rest of the game. We weren’t bullying him or anything either. I felt so bad 🥲 Edit: that was the 2nd singularity, sorry. The first one I played against put down a single pod and destroyed it before resorting to be a M1 killer all game. We 4 man putted that one as well.
Yep, I've had Singularity matches like that as both killer and survivor. I'm actually decent with him and often do well but sometimes I'll end up with a shitty map, everything will go wrong and the surv will make a bunch of distance in a chase while I spend 5s trying and failing to fire a single pod onto a finicky vertical surface which doesn't want to cooperate. Or I won't be able to teleport to a survivor because 1 pixel of their model is concealed by a twig on Eyrie. Or all your goop pressure will be invalidated by a single EMP. Feelsbadman and at that point, I'll sometimes just chill in the corner of the map. Singularity is fun but so frustrating at times.
I think Spirit having a lower killrate than Nurse honestly makes sense. It seems simpler to follow and listen for the survivors in theory, but I think Spirit's power has a lot more drawbacks than Nurse's. The speed without addons feels rather underwhelming, and paired with a high recharge time your power's strength and accessibility are just so much lower than that of Nurse's. Additionally, it can be hard to pinpoint EXACTLY where survivors are just via sounds, whereas with Nurse simply one pretty-okay blink can put you in a position where you have an easy enough second blink to secure a hit. Nurse's power has a more brutal immediate downside for failure, however I think over all you still lose WAY less from a couple missed Nurse blinks than a wasted Spirit phase.
Saying a lot of the high kill rates are because of new players is kinda disingenuous because NightLight is a user submitted stats site. New players aren’t posting the scoreboards of matches they play to a statistics website, especially if they don’t fully understand the game
Keep in mind for Singularity that Made For This is extremely popular right now, a perk that REALLY benefits off the short slow he suffers when he teleports
There's a few problems I have with nightlight's stats: Newer players aren't gonna be the ones submitting their scores to the site. You're generally only gonna see more experienced players go out of their way to submit their stats, and even those that know about it as well. Not to say it's a huge problem, but it definitely doesn't paint a whole picture of the game. That's why we see killers like legion have a less than average kill rate, because the people giving nightlight their end-game screens are the ones that know how to counter him on the survivor side. The inflation of winrates can also be a problem with community polled things. Killer mains might only submit the matches they do super well in. That's generally averaged out but it can create outliers when dealing with less played killers, such as hag. It's just a nitpick I have with a service like nightlight. I still submit all my stats to the site gladly, regardless of how the match plays out. The only thing that gets frustrating is when I get tunneled out super early on survivor, I have to either A) wait for the killer to slowly kill the other 3 players because they're all hiding and playing super safe or B) wait for the survivors to eventually just give up/win somehow. I think it'd be great of BHVR to give quarterly updates on stats, because I do like stats and I think that type of thing would also help BHVR since then the community could chime in more with why stats line up the way they do (e.g. Nurse)
I think one of the things keeping Wesker lower is that he's the Killer equivalent of Leon. Newer and inexperienced players see badass matrix man in trench coat with cool power and flock to him. Ironically I think he'd be much higher if he didn't look so cool and come from a big licence.
One extra thing about singularity, it is SO FREAKING LOUD, EVERYTHING. The steps, the noises, it doesn't shut up. I wanna hear the place and I can't. I'm farming every mission in this tome that I need to play singularity cuz I just can't play it.
I’m going to counter the point that people healing against Legion is the worst thing to do. I took this advice and don’t heal myself unless I need to take a hit to save, however I absolutely heal my solo q teammates and so should most people. It’s necessary because they have limited chase ability. It’s 20 seconds then they’re down. They need that hit buffer.
my random teammates healed against a legion all game yesterday and we did fine. the legion even ran sloppy butcher and we all escaped lol. in fact the only reason i escaped was because i was fully healed during end game by my random leon teammate.
I imagine Freddy is as high as he is because new players probably waste time going to the alarm clocks the moment they fall asleep. A bit similar to Pig - he has built-in slowdown for newcomers. Also, newbies will likely panic if he is teleporting to their gen and run for the hills rather than find a nearby hiding spot.
11:00 what timeframe of DBD are you referencing with the killrate? If it was pre gen-kick nerf that would make sense to me since he was pretty alright at getting between generators and holding them down?
Totally agree. I'm surprised Pinhead isn't higher, I feel like that killer absolutely destroys solo queue. On the other hand, Spirit just got another round of add-on nerfs (Yakuyoke is now totally trash and no longer reduces power cooldown) so I feel her position is more than justified at her current power level.
One very common reason for a lot of the kill rates that wasn't mentioned in the video or in the comments I've looked through is simply the pick rate. When I play Twins, there's a very good chance the survivors have next to no experience how to play against me. Even on high-ish MMR it is a common occurrence that some don't kick Victor once through the entire game. No wonder they're getting stomped then. To that adds that the only people who are ever playing those low pick rate killers are likely those who also main them, or at least have a good bit of experience. Otherwise you'll play them for one or two games, think they're too hard or weird or whatever and play something else. Which brings us to the high pick rate killers. Nearly everyone will try out Wesker at some point or play him on and off, which means people with less experience on the killer play those games, which drags the kill rate down. Of course there are some pretty significant deviations from that, otherwise kill rate and pick rate would just be a reverse of each other. But that's when you can really make a note of the balance. Nearly no one that plays Singularity isn't maining them, yet their kill rate is very low, really hinting that they are just a bad killer at the moment.
@@ryanwho4433 does dbd even support hdr?. Wonder how it would look on my monitor lol would probably burn out my eyes as mine hits over 1400nits with hdr content on highlights anyway.
I have the feeling that whenever I play Freddy the survivors I go against are turning into potatoes 80% of the time. Also whenever I pick a killer that I am good with there is a 50% chance that I get newer players. When I then play a killer I am terrible at I get 2k hour survivors that clap my ass. But to make the best out of it, I can only get better even if I lose.
People forget that the majority of dbd players are actually new players with less than 300 hours, and ultra casual players. Stats that are based on ALL players are heavily biased towards these new players. So of course the stats are going to say noobstompers are the best killers even though we know that nurse and blight etc are the best. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
It's just social media circlejerk. Someone says "Skull Merchant sucks" and 3 other people make memes about how they hate Skull Merchant. Then it's start spreading until it becomes site-wide circlejerk. Then memes get repetitive, something else comes out, and they start hating that thing. Rinse and repeat.
Found the delusional Snore Merchant player. There's never been a killer that has been so unanimously despised than this one in DBD's history.@@Domce133
I'm still amazed that you can think that Skull Merchant is just ok or whatever after that match between cm9i and eternal. Do we live in two separate universes? Yeah she's definitely not broken it's just that her counterplay is a bit complicated that's all.
The reason Wesker has such a "low" kill rate from what you would expect is because EVERYONE plays him because he is one of the strongest killers while also being one of the easiest. If you have everyone playing him then those noobs not getting a single kill will pull the kill rate down pretty significantly, whereas the really good ones will increase it. But there are way more bad players than great players on this game.
@@Antarctide Wesker was kinda unique from other strong killers in the way he has built in slowdown. Survivors have to remove infection, and they can’t just sit on gens and do it after eruption. It buys a ton of time to kick gens to get value from it, compared to a Blight that’s only occasionally getting value if they got down to a 3 gen. It’s likely also because of his recent changes, but Eruption was disgusting on him so it definitely made a difference in overall kill rates.
good perks make decent / bad killers better. how do you not understand this concept. there's killer mains such as myself that sometimes like to run 0 perks on killer to see how well we can do. perks can quite literally carry you, survivor or killer.@@Antarctide
I do think people got a better idea of how to handle wesker's dashes in chase, there's a lot of neat stuff you can do with those dashes and I think it took a bit for people to figure out the safest way to handle the options wesker has around pallets
When I was brand new to the game I found it impossible to play Spirit. Maybe it was just me but it was hard to get good with the sounds, I don't know why.
Singularity is to clunky and map dependent, I don't even bother playing lerry because of those reasons. They should tighten the crosshair so you have to be more precise and make tagging the survivor more forgiving. You are also forced to run the exhausted add on because of MFT
I feel like the pinhead kill rate also used to be inflated like old pig kill rates bc of the cheese strategies where killwrs just camp the side objective like standig on the lament config or jigsaw boxes
Since her rework, Saddako is absolutly miserable to play. She went from me wanting to main her to me not wanting to touch her ever again. How people still manage to die against her is beyond me, she has basically no power anymore against a half-competent team...
i can agree some killers have a killrate tahts high because of the mechanics if their power. i dont personally play pig alot but i recently prestiged her to 3 ( like i do all chars ) and used her exclusivly doing it, and the amount of players who just die to headtrap is unreal, some sit on gens till they die, others run around like madhatters trying to find how to remove it or fail 100 skill checks on box, same with pinhead, he can 4k so so so so easy if peeps dont know they need to solve box. as for freddy having high killrate, exact same reason, he may not have a strong power etc, but pallet freddy is surprisingly strong in soloQ as everyone and their claudette camp pallets to try and stun me but drean pallet value n all that. Ive had same survivor try and throw the same pallet twice in a single chase multiple times. Ive had people camp a pallet and not 2 secs before they literally watched me place it.
"Ive had same survivor try and throw the same pallet twice in a single chase multiple times." Y'all literal bottom MMR players be telling on yourselves every time you post.
Any killer with a very low pick rate will also have an artificially inflated kill rate because that usually means that regular players are avoiding them, so the people playing them are disproportionately those who have decided to main them, or players with a lot of hours who want something different or like to test things out, etc.
Another thing about dredge is that if youre playing on a tv its apparently impossible to see anything during nightfall so hes much better against console players
Im honestly not shocked at where Huntress is. I have put manny hours into her and she has just started to feel terrible to play over the last year. It’s harder to get any value out of fun builds, and the way the map reworks and redesigns have added so much clutter, you’re not able to snipe the way you could before. Her time to kill has increased and if you miss even a couple shots on really good survivors, you’re losing a gen. Just feels bad man.
Onryo isn't currently high kill rate though, she already was rocking that stat before the rework. There are literal BHVR stats placing her that high up in kill rate several patches after her launch. And back then you could actually pretty succesfully ignore her power. Just check the All MMR's slide and look who is right behind her, Freddy and Dredge. Her Condemn was never the pub stomper until after the rework. The teleports are.
Pre-buff Onryo was very rare to go against, so I tend to think her high stats were mostly a result of the people that the people that played her tended to be Onryo mains. Post rework she's a lot easier for casual players to play, and her high kill rates are mainly because few people have learned the counterplay so far of grabbing the tape right at the start of the match.
Wraith is like certain perks, he’s strong, but people consider him weak cause he’s bland/old. Was thinking about this for Bloodhound recently, there’s just stronger/more interesting perks, doesn’t mean it’s not strong
in terms less than 1% of the playerbase actually uses nightlight. I know I don't and I don't care to. And only the most dedicated of players will report any data. I would not account or use any of this data to form any kind of conclusions to project what the average is.
Scott if I'm not mistaken, people that upload their match stats can either filter out people that disconnected or went afk. Meaning that it won't count for the killrate in the website, so Skull Merchant's killrate of 62.2% should be somewhat correct.
Pallet Freddy is terrible for facing most survivors, but it's an absolute noobstomper. New survivors will drop the same dream pallet multiple times and still be surprised it's a dream pallet.
I think Huntress have a low killrate due to beginners using her often rely on playing against noobs that'll throw the pallets and get an easy hit on them. When the survivors are smart enough to not do it though it usually end up in a disaster for them.
Trash killers like Freddy being high might be because they’re so unpopular on high ranks that no one except new players use them. And low rank killer gameplay is almost always consistent stomps anyways leading to inflated stats. Logic doesn’t make much sense though because myers isn’t really that high up.
I think the reason that spirit is not near the top of kill rates is probably because you need to have good headphones and if you don't you will mess up a lot of your phases, and considering that she is a 110 killer it makes sense that new players would struggle to play spirit if they mess up phases. Learning counterplay to spirit is also easier because it is in chase so you can notice mistakes you make more unlike losing the game because you healed with an active pig trap, which some people would think they just died because they got 3-4 searches rather than because they healed.
most of killer that are low are easy to counter and produce low reward for playing them. its weird how scott talks about "hard to counter" killers having high kill-rates... but does not match how braindead singularities emps are towards countering him. this is case for all low-kill rate killers. Pinhead? do box. Knight? Hold-w away from green circles. Billy? Disrespect all chainsaws curves and loop. If you think he is going to curve, run outwards. Trickster, Strafe and use high-walls. Huntress, Strafe and use high-walls. Nemesis. Rush-gens, abuse vaccines for health-states. You can see how simple these killer are to play against. The effort for killer to counter these strategies is 3X skill-level compare to brain power required for survivor to use them. It is almost impossible to mess up these strategies as survivor. There is like almost 0 ways to mess up singularity EMP. It is like free-counter-play for 0 opportunity cost.. you cannot mess up nemesis vaccines. Wesker's Kill-rate is lower because they nerfed his item infection by allowing survivors to run killer-items and regular items. So his 4vs1 is worse. This is also why Pinhead has lower kill-rate. you can hold box and do generators while carrying med-kit. Most of these stats are always center around bad-killers vs bad survivors. so which ever side plays more bad dictates kill-rate.
Wesker 1 in 10 games? I legit think, that i got Wesker in every 3 games (sometimes 2-3 in a row, sometimes 0 in 4 games, but average around 3). And they all very strange guys, i cant explain why. And always sweatiest persons in the world, ive seen chill wesker around 30 weskers ago. Yes, this is my new metric, weskers. Wesker, wesker, wesker, wesker.
I noticed that Bubba had the second lowest amount of 0k games, which makes sense given their unrivalled ability to camp and one-for-one. Singularity is so low because they're really difficult to play, as you said. I really like Singualrity, but it's hard to pay attention for the full game.
Wesker's stats are likely that a LOT more people got the wesker dlc, and many of the better players who played wesker moved on to other killers after he was no longer the "New" killer. Resulting in the general killer playerbase getting him. There's also the many nerfs to killer which, with being the most popular killer, result in a lower kill rate overall since many average killers would lose to the current meta of buckle up for the people or made for this hope. This might also be tied to Wesker being weak at loops that are oddly shaped and cant be countered by his dash. So certain unsafe loops that are made safe with made for this make him struggle more as they can just go to the loops he isn't good on. Also, pinhead's issue is that he is still an M1 killer. M1 killers are currently struggling, even Oni is dealing with this to some degree atm. Huntress, Trickster and Nem all have issues with it as well. Nem due to the 3 hit thing. Huntress and Trickster because only 4.4 Singularity makes sense. EMPs are very strong and it can be horrendously annoying to have extended loops where people keep popping max distance emps on your chase, or getting ruined by bad map terrain. Also made for this and resil and the bugged vaults makes it awful to deal with current survs atm.
I noticed Onryo's killrate spike as soon as the update went live, she's just a pub stomper now. I still haven't won a soloq game against a sadako since the update dropped it's been that bad lol. I'm okay with some of the rework ideas but overall I think she still needs tuning. And no I don't think her kill rate will significantly change.
As someone who has contributed to these 4ks, let me explain why. If I am in a game and I realize it's skull merchant, I will find the nearest hook, slam the nearest locker or vault the nearest window until she comes by, and point at the hook until I am dead. A 4 slug nurse is more tolerable because it doesn't eat the whole hour until the game is over.
@@Technature7567 I've also contributed to this in the same way aso you. Although at other times I don't even want to give her the satisfaction of hooking me and quitting as soon as there is a hint of her terror radius
if i play Freddy i might as well just wait at the exit gate and open it once everyone gets the gens done. only if the people i play against are actively eating glue i just get stomped.
Pick rate plays a huge part. Unpopular killers are mostly it’s played by people who one trick that killer, so it skews higher since there are less bad players playing them. Likewise top tier killers get a ton of players who play because they heard they were good so more bad players play them. Also I think you underrate both how hard listening is for most players and the knowledge required for good hag plays; hag is not easy to play.
I think singularity suffers from survivor counterplay being much too easy against him, which raises his skill floor significantly. Ive found it takes a lot of work to tag someone and have it stick, and using his ability in chase feels nigh impossible, and usually the survivor just has an EMP. why would i go through yhe yrouble of attempting to goop a survivor if theyre instantly gonna emp it?
I used to play Freddy a lot, so at least in my experience newer players would panic when hitting dream snares and underestimate the range of his lunge because of how short he looks. That and they would panic when you teleport to their gen so faking a TP everytime worked as amazing slowdown. The moment you faced a team that new what they were doing you just lost.
Skull Merchant being on top doesn't surprise me in the least. I'm actually surprised her killrate isn't even higher though the addition of bots to replace DC survs might actually be lowering it :D 42% of matches ending in 4K really does say a lot. I don't even play Huntress but I'm going to bet she has dropped a bit due to MFT. Sure she has hatchets which can invalidate it in some situations but against an MFT survivor, it takes her >40% longer to close distance so that she can even get to a place where she can line up a shot. And if it's a loop she can't aim over, it takes her even longer than before to brute force it. Even a crappy rock loop can defeat a Huntress, I feel bad juicing them there. Also, I expect that the presence/absence of MFT could screw with the muscle memory of even good Huntresses. I'm also surprised Spirit isn't higher. Let's be honest, she doesn't require much skill to do well with, she requires a headset and functioning ears. Yeah, she might have a higher skill ceiling after that but she's not exactly Billy or Blight. I'm slightly surprised Artist isn't higher. She definitely has a very high skill ceiling but it's simple enough to use her at basic loops to force the survivor into a lose-lose, even if you're not good with her. I guess some inexperienced players might be going for more ambitious plays and failing, IDK. I'd argue that Wraith actually isn't entirely trivial to counterplay since bad survivors aren't good at paying attention for the first hit and will then panic for the second and feed him finite pallets and create dead zones in situations when they should instead be abusing nearby windows which can really punish Wraith if he can't lunge around them. And newer players won't know the Wraith counterplay of continuously vaulting to waste his time and force him to uncloak. I guess they also won't be familiar enough with his addons to know what kind of Wraith they're dealing with (chase vs hit-and-run, fast uncloak vs eats-pallets-for-breakfast). IDK, Wraith is in a good place nowadays and even a bad Wraith will still get an annoying amount of slowdown by simply equipping Sloppy and zooming around the map whacking people faster than they can heal. I actually think he's low A tier while being easy to play so his killrate doesn't surprise me.
Last night I had 2 p100 teammates that kept setting up their boon and healing against a legion on midwitch… how tf are 2 p100s not familiar with how to play the game still
I think these kill rates are incomplete. I rarely see or have the experience that match these kill rates. I wish Bhvr would just release kill rates and perk use/success rates. What do they lose doing this? And if they make seemingly nonsense patches those values would likely help the community understand and not complain.
Keep in mind, these stats are based on all skill levels and from all types of players. There are a lot of low level console killers, the vast majority of the player base (over 60%) is noob soloq players, and they don’t want to make changes that affect the vast majority of players. This is actually often what we see from the official stats they release every once in a few blue moons.
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Skull Merchant having such a high kill rate because people instantly afk against her is hilarious.
Check out some Skull Merchant tournament gameplay. She really doesn’t require much skill and even fully prepared with counter sweats still struggle extremely hard. I really can’t blame the DCs, it’s not just the hour long matches skewing the stats.
@@leiah6514 and one that chases just runs double purple for haste and hinder effects making every basic loop so easy
I die, I don't dc
or people just DC and they just 4k a bunch of bots
People would rather give up and cry than have to participate.
*Stats and BHVR*
It always reminds me how Object of Obsession wasn't changed for so long because the survival rate of survivors using it was so low, not taking into account that the problematic perk was getting straight tunneled out
The irony now is that downside remains without the former benefit to the team. It’s still up there with No Mither in terms of deaths to escapes.
@@leiah6514I honestly don't think it's even terrible. You get free attention from the killer if you're looking for it, and know when the killer has certain aura reading perks/add-ons. The issue is that Distortion pretty much outclasses it.
I don't think they fix things looking at statistics. They show them and use them as "excuses" because visual support is great and convenient.
Old object was a high risk, high reward perk with the massive balance downside of being too strong in swf, letting one player relay constant information about the killer's whereabouts
@@leiah6514The way they like completely destroyed the Halloween DLC afterward is so funny to me. Like Michael has pretty much always been weak asf but then they nerfed all of Laurie’s perks into the ground.
@PacoReer they do heavily rely on the statistics because overall, the development team is.... terrible at the game. I've watched gameplay of them and it just hurts how the people in charge just don't understand the basic mechanics. Or they do understand it and just aren't good at utilizing them.
One thing to note right now, Singularity's pickrate is probably currently inflated purely because of the tome. People are playing him not because they enjoy him, but they want the BP for completing his challenges.
Not really, you can get plenty of BP doing the non-character specific challenges
@@DumbCrow1 Does it massively boost someone's numbers? No, not by an insane amount but with less popular killers like when we had a twins tome I couldn't tell you the last time I saw one before their tome but during it I saw them frequently.
I don't think people are forced into doing challenges they really don't want to complete just for BP anymore. It's rift fragments.
I think another fact about Singularity is his skill floor. You can play him and do ok, but to do great as him, you need to know a lot of knowledge. I have a few friends who main Hux (and I've been getting into him myself) and they all say he has the highest skill floor in the game, but it's by far one of the most rewarding from how fun he is to play (Even if he's not as strong as Nurse or Blight)
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Another thing about Pinhead being so low, BHVR nerfed Hoarder to where it no longer procced on the box being picked up, that and Franklin's no longer makes survivors drop killer specific items. This alone made a lot of Pinhead players drop him, as so many relied on the ease of constant chain hunts using those two perks
Wait Franklin's doesn't work on killer exclusive items? No wonder why when I was playing the Anomaly I was getting EMP'd all the time even with Franklin's
@@liljon042 Yep sadly. I'm really not sure why they went through with that change, but I guess it was to prevent griefing maybe?
As for the Hoarder change though, yeah that was completely unwarranted. It definitely did not need a nerf, it was always a terrible perk and the only time it was useful was when it procced on Pinhead's box, but with that gone, there's literally no reason to use it anymore. Sad :(
That and they added the HUD icons for survivors so solo queue became a bit more coordinated with his box
@@terrypennington2519it was specifically for singularity as emps were incredibly strong so having the killer just make survivors drop them would have been too strong and “eliminate” counterplay.
Yeah, the main issue with Singularity (for me) is that it just feels like I'm playing a micro-managing simulator. So much effort put into trying to get a down just to have a single EMP destroy most of my effort.
Watch actual good players such as Knight Light play the character and you'll see that EMPs aren't that much of a problem in chase.
He’s really fun if you like that playstyle though, there’s a lot of Singularity mains you can watch to basically negate EMPs. Maybe I’m biased since I think he’s a more balanced Nurse and enjoy him, but he’s always gonna have that negativity because people like easy killers like Wraith or easier strong ones like Wesker. I just like that my Singularity matches always feel like it was dependent on my skill rather than the map and survivor I face.
@@leiah6514 I agree here too, i enjoy the micro aspect of the Singularity and i enjoy having to keep track of multiple things at once, sure its a lot more effort to play than any other killer, so i still like playing simpler killers like dredge when i get tired of it, but the amount of effort IS what makes it fun imo, although i can also understand that its precisely why people may not like playing Singu either, but the high skill ceiling, the playstyle, feel of it, the control, overall feels pretty good which are to me a nice extra that just solidifies it as a fun killer to play
Nah, he’s not that great, just ok. You have too much mental stack playing him. believe it or not, many characters in fighting games are considered bad for having too high a skill ceiling, Like F.A.N.G. In SF5. Being overly technical is a detriment, especially if after the effort you aren’t even a top tier.
@@djandjb1 Same concept applies to Path of Exile. Some builds are technically stronger, but require way more button presses/micro management, thus making them go down on tier lists or come with an asterisk.
I think both Wesker and Huntress have their stats 'deflated' by newer players. A new Wesker will waste a bunch of time dashing into corners, and a new Huntress will whiff most her shots. They both lose stats only due to their popularity (8.76% Wesk, 6.27% Hunt pick rates).
Smart (wo)man. I said the same thing about Wesker in a comment. High pick rates means lower skilled players will pull down kill rates, whereas higher skilled players will make them rise, but there are way more bad players than good, so you get a mediocre kill rate.
it works the other way around too the lesser picked killers will get comparatively inflated kill rate because there always are more experienced players who are playing them because they like to play that killer but proportion of less experienced players a lot smaller. hag is perfect example of this but it is a case for all of them
its how the stats work not only size but quality matters
@@drmagg666 Yeah that's how the stats work but people are stupid and don't realize that shitty players make insane killers look weak. Nurse is always one of, if not the lowest kill rate because how much noobs suck with her. I'm just tired of arguing with people about how stupid strong Wesker is, especially for how easy he is. So it would be nice to have stats to back that up, but because there are way too many Wesker players, and too many shitty players overall, you get Wesker with a 50% kill rate.
Always felt Huntress was a bit over rated. People seem to focus too much on potential instead of actuality. There are games where she pops off, but there are many more where she doesn't.
Abt Freddy: Scott you really, REALLY underestimate
1 - how bad new players are in chase
2 - how immersed they get when they dont have a terror radius to go off of.
3 - how scared new players are to touch gens once they know the killer can come thru at any time. Doubly so if they're hurt.
Plus like even average players still make odd choices. I've seen players still teabag me off a gen to wake them up for the 3rd time. And a lot of Freddy players run endgame, and a lot of average players treat endgame as "gg ez" already.
ya, tons of new players will follow you around to Wake you Up, or spend the entire match running to clocks lol
all those good points plus put the newish/immersed survivors in any indoor map. it is over.
Another factor with Freddy players or weaker killers that have high kill rates, is there’s a larger probability that they’re simply just better at the game because they’re not dependent on the most broken builds or strongest powers in order to achieve good results.
Pinhead's drop in kill rate might be due to the new action icons (or whatever they're called) that survivors have.
Yeah Pinhead's entire strength as a character since inception has been that solo Q just can't handle him 90% of the time because of the lack of info. As solo Q gets more info Pinhead progressively gets worse.
Wanna mention that hoarder doesn't work with him anymore and it was arguably his most used perk
Could it also be the fact that he got killswitched for quite a long time?
He was also badly bugged for weeks, maybe months. Downing someone with the box often wouldn't start a chain hunt. Bhvr fixed it though, wonder if his killrate will start to creep back up a bit
Less chain hunts = More relying on hitting chains, and his power is hard to learn and hit consistently
I think Wesker's killrate went down a lot because of a combination of buffed vaults and the changes to his windowgrab making it so that instead of him consistently grabbing you as you vault, forcing you next to him, and having a much shorter distance post-grab, either he doesn't quite make it and deals no damage, or buttslaps you after you vault and so you make the vault distance + full run distance. It doesn't seem like a lot, but together, that could add a LOT of extra chase time which would reflect a lower kill rate.
This is 100% what happened.
An additonal note is that Wesker used to completely waste a survivors Lithe if he grabbed them mid window vault. Lithe would activate but the duration would be spent up while the survivor was sitting there being grabbed. That also doesn't happen anymore.
Here's my theory: because he is the most played killer you'll learn faster what to do against this killer. As a survivor you will go against him a lot
Maybe the item carry change
that might be true! a few days ago i played as him and slapped the survivors butt after they vaulted a pallet, downing them as a result. after that i had to spent ~2 seconds on his tentacle retraction animation + 3 seconds on breaking a pallet and then finally picking up a guy, even though recently i could just grab them if virulent bound would touch them slightly. it might look not much but this bound bug in particular saved a lot of time in general
I love that it shows how % of games ended in 0k, 1k, 2k, 3k and 4k.
Nurse has almost no 2k, meaning she either stomps, or gets stomped
and Bubba has a really high percentage of 1k's lol
If you want to beat nurse you HAVE TO DO THE GENS. I've been in matches where we will let teammates reach second stage just to do a gen. It's the strongest and only counter
Makes sense. With other killers like Blight or Billy, you can at the very least play like a basic killer. With nurse, there's no fallback strategy. If you can't teleport well, you're practically helpless.
Just another factor unless I missed it is that brand new players arent uploading to nightlight so the data will inherently skew upwards to match with interest in the game and some minimal amount of play time. (No one is adding their first match to night light or the first few hundred as well.)
yep, in bhvr's data self care is a top 10 perk, concerns me lol
As someone trying to learn Billy, I had to explain to a survivor team once that there are things more important than hooks and kills
This reminds me of a video Scott did months ago where he was survivor against a billy in RCPD and straight up did nothing but loop the billy at one spot for like half the vid to see if he could learn and improve to successfully get the down. iirc he helped them hunt down the rest of the survivors at the end, major chad moment
this is what keeps me playing trapper
I think Freddy kill rate is due to new survivors feeling like they need to wake up always, wasting a lot of gen time.
Yeah. Survivors not doing any generators immediately when they're idle is so devastating to the team at the moment. It's why the highest kill rate in this list are killers who either add secondary objectives to the survivors or do hit and run tactics. This works on survivor in general since half the time these randoms can't figure out that they don't have the leniency to f around like they did two years ago lol.
yep. they fall asleep, get scared, run for the clock that is always on the other side of the map, repeat 90 seconds later. even on the smaller maps they'll be spending more time going to the clocks than on gens.
I like playing Freddy. I got called a hacker once for setting up 4 random pools at the start because I was bored. And pallet Freddy isn't the weakest. I get 2-3 hooks a match from survivors not remembering if a pallet is fake or not. Enduring fury and bamboozle if you want to end chases easily.
Obviously a swf will run miles around him, but they'll do that for most pub killers. A good one at least.
""I get 2-3 hooks a match from survivors not remembering if a pallet is fake or not"
Hooks are not equal to kills, and you're probably playing against low MMR newbies.
Pallet freddy IS the weakest one. A fake pallet doesn't work unless a survivor is asleep, runs to said fake pallet, and attempts to loop it.
Puddle freddy only needs you to be asleep.
You're not very bright.
TL;DR
Clown post made by a player with bedrock level MMR who has a h*rd-on for freddy.
Copium.
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Seeing Nemesis at the Bottom next to Singularity and Hillbilly is kinda sad. He deserves so much better, got overshadowed by Wesker and now Xenomorph is just a Straight up Upgrade from Nemesis, having access to Mobility and not needing to hit people 3 times to acually down them with his power. I get that Xenomorph has to build up its ability and can get knocked out of it, but it comes back in like 3 seconds when you enter a tunnel. Not to mention Nemesis needs to tier up first to acually become a threat.
Idk about direct upgrade since 1 in 100 games the zombies grow actual brains and are op, surely he’s fine and doesn’t need adjustments lol
i think singularity and hillbilly deserve more cuz they're both original characters, way better
@@k0n682 knowing the devs, they ain't touching hillbilly anytime soon, unless its a nerf lmao. About Singularity, he's fine just like Scott said. Its just that for the amount of skill and attention you need when playing him, the payoff is much less as someone like Blight, Nurse and Spirit. I dont think buffing him is a good idea either, unless they maybe slightly increase the EMP print time by another few seconds.
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Nemesis does need a change, maybe not a direct buff but something to make him more of a general threat. I think the buff should just be his zombies getting a small speed buff, frankly they are useless on most maps anyway, and Nemesis can’t really use them to his benefit unless the survivors just don’t pay attention
Freddy is probably that high because survivors just run the entire way across the map to use his clocks every single time they fall asleep, I see it every time I vs a Freddy in solo q.
It’s mainly because he requires virtually no effort. The top of the charts is always dictated by either cheese strats or difficulty to play. No console player is gonna do well with Singularity, but a Freddy requires almost no brain power. A killer like Sadako is easy to accidentally stomp with without as much strategy, and obviously Skull Merchant is designed to win from a tunnel or an hour long match with no counterplay.
@@leiah6514 I think it's less about the brainpower required and more about the killers being difficult to organise around in solo q. Like 3 survivors running for pinheads box or just no one going for it at all, also players self caring every time they are injured against Legion with sloppy the survivors are never gonna win.
But yeah definitely what you said too.
2:00 cat does cool trick
I love youtubes ability to zoom really far into videos so i can just watch the kitty while hearing stuff about dbd
Spirit’s placement makes sense, most people don’t really pay attention to sound. For two years I have played this game, most of my maches had eurobeat in the background
The billy gigachad part its just perfect, im one of them and i also play against them and its always this, the gigachads no slowdowns just gigaturns 2 kills-3 max but every chainsaw its a highlight
I've only gotten one gigachad Billy all year
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@@keeperofthehammer6795 relatable.
"You keep asking me if I like sacrificing baby survivors...[gesticulates in despair]
*All* I *have* are baby survivors."
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Freddy is an all-rounder killer, with some sort of teleport, anti-loop, stealth and slowdown (in terms of searching for and using clocks). I think that's why he has such a high kill rate--he's not particularly good at any one thing, but he's got a little bit of everything and that's sufficient to get a decent amount of kills against most teams.
I think part of singularity's rate is also explained by his horrendous adept, which should still impact his overall performance a bit with him being this new, as well the tome challenges.
What makes Singularity's adept so awful? Are his perks just not suited to winning matches with him?
His adept is pretty easy tbh, you just force hesitation slug if they're grouped at any point. Got it first try.
I am a NL uploader and that adept is the main reason why I have so many games on him lol. I started doing his adept on his first tries and never played him with real perks before I did it. And it was the most frustrating adept, not due to perks, but due to how hard he is to play.
Notice how Myers has very low 0 kill rate comparing to the other killers. I guess it's the tombstone addon 💀
I think it's the tier 3 auto expose in general. It's hard to hook rescue against regular Myers too. So if he decided to guard the hook, you generally have to respect him and give him the kill.
I played against my first singularity yesterday. He tried REALLY hard to kill anyone. By the last gen, he had one down, one hook, and just went and stood in the basement for the rest of the game. We weren’t bullying him or anything either. I felt so bad 🥲
Edit: that was the 2nd singularity, sorry. The first one I played against put down a single pod and destroyed it before resorting to be a M1 killer all game. We 4 man putted that one as well.
Yep, I've had Singularity matches like that as both killer and survivor. I'm actually decent with him and often do well but sometimes I'll end up with a shitty map, everything will go wrong and the surv will make a bunch of distance in a chase while I spend 5s trying and failing to fire a single pod onto a finicky vertical surface which doesn't want to cooperate. Or I won't be able to teleport to a survivor because 1 pixel of their model is concealed by a twig on Eyrie. Or all your goop pressure will be invalidated by a single EMP. Feelsbadman and at that point, I'll sometimes just chill in the corner of the map. Singularity is fun but so frustrating at times.
I think Spirit having a lower killrate than Nurse honestly makes sense. It seems simpler to follow and listen for the survivors in theory, but I think Spirit's power has a lot more drawbacks than Nurse's. The speed without addons feels rather underwhelming, and paired with a high recharge time your power's strength and accessibility are just so much lower than that of Nurse's. Additionally, it can be hard to pinpoint EXACTLY where survivors are just via sounds, whereas with Nurse simply one pretty-okay blink can put you in a position where you have an easy enough second blink to secure a hit. Nurse's power has a more brutal immediate downside for failure, however I think over all you still lose WAY less from a couple missed Nurse blinks than a wasted Spirit phase.
Saying a lot of the high kill rates are because of new players is kinda disingenuous because NightLight is a user submitted stats site. New players aren’t posting the scoreboards of matches they play to a statistics website, especially if they don’t fully understand the game
Keep in mind for Singularity that Made For This is extremely popular right now, a perk that REALLY benefits off the short slow he suffers when he teleports
There's a few problems I have with nightlight's stats: Newer players aren't gonna be the ones submitting their scores to the site. You're generally only gonna see more experienced players go out of their way to submit their stats, and even those that know about it as well. Not to say it's a huge problem, but it definitely doesn't paint a whole picture of the game. That's why we see killers like legion have a less than average kill rate, because the people giving nightlight their end-game screens are the ones that know how to counter him on the survivor side.
The inflation of winrates can also be a problem with community polled things. Killer mains might only submit the matches they do super well in. That's generally averaged out but it can create outliers when dealing with less played killers, such as hag.
It's just a nitpick I have with a service like nightlight. I still submit all my stats to the site gladly, regardless of how the match plays out. The only thing that gets frustrating is when I get tunneled out super early on survivor, I have to either A) wait for the killer to slowly kill the other 3 players because they're all hiding and playing super safe or B) wait for the survivors to eventually just give up/win somehow. I think it'd be great of BHVR to give quarterly updates on stats, because I do like stats and I think that type of thing would also help BHVR since then the community could chime in more with why stats line up the way they do (e.g. Nurse)
I think one of the things keeping Wesker lower is that he's the Killer equivalent of Leon.
Newer and inexperienced players see badass matrix man in trench coat with cool power and flock to him. Ironically I think he'd be much higher if he didn't look so cool and come from a big licence.
read "tierlists" as "terrorists" and it was a terrifying idea of a video
which killer would make the best terrorist teir list?
@scottjund I'd watch the fuck out of that
One extra thing about singularity, it is SO FREAKING LOUD, EVERYTHING. The steps, the noises, it doesn't shut up. I wanna hear the place and I can't. I'm farming every mission in this tome that I need to play singularity cuz I just can't play it.
Lets not forget the Pickrates. Twins, Hag and Freddy are the least played killers.
I’m going to counter the point that people healing against Legion is the worst thing to do. I took this advice and don’t heal myself unless I need to take a hit to save, however I absolutely heal my solo q teammates and so should most people. It’s necessary because they have limited chase ability. It’s 20 seconds then they’re down. They need that hit buffer.
The time you spend healing those teammates could better be spent doing a gen, which is probably not being done by your solo q teammates.
@@SuperDdallYeah I tried not healing them and the results were so bad I just waste the time.
my random teammates healed against a legion all game yesterday and we did fine. the legion even ran sloppy butcher and we all escaped lol. in fact the only reason i escaped was because i was fully healed during end game by my random leon teammate.
@@GG-kn2se Sounds like you lucked out, good for you.
I imagine Freddy is as high as he is because new players probably waste time going to the alarm clocks the moment they fall asleep. A bit similar to Pig - he has built-in slowdown for newcomers. Also, newbies will likely panic if he is teleporting to their gen and run for the hills rather than find a nearby hiding spot.
11:00 what timeframe of DBD are you referencing with the killrate? If it was pre gen-kick nerf that would make sense to me since he was pretty alright at getting between generators and holding them down?
Totally agree. I'm surprised Pinhead isn't higher, I feel like that killer absolutely destroys solo queue. On the other hand, Spirit just got another round of add-on nerfs (Yakuyoke is now totally trash and no longer reduces power cooldown) so I feel her position is more than justified at her current power level.
Tbh I wonder what old wraith with his double windstorm add ons would be like with Coup de grace. Shit would be nutty
One very common reason for a lot of the kill rates that wasn't mentioned in the video or in the comments I've looked through is simply the pick rate.
When I play Twins, there's a very good chance the survivors have next to no experience how to play against me. Even on high-ish MMR it is a common occurrence that some don't kick Victor once through the entire game. No wonder they're getting stomped then.
To that adds that the only people who are ever playing those low pick rate killers are likely those who also main them, or at least have a good bit of experience. Otherwise you'll play them for one or two games, think they're too hard or weird or whatever and play something else.
Which brings us to the high pick rate killers. Nearly everyone will try out Wesker at some point or play him on and off, which means people with less experience on the killer play those games, which drags the kill rate down.
Of course there are some pretty significant deviations from that, otherwise kill rate and pick rate would just be a reverse of each other. But that's when you can really make a note of the balance. Nearly no one that plays Singularity isn't maining them, yet their kill rate is very low, really hinting that they are just a bad killer at the moment.
Also as a console player, nightfall literature makes our screen pitch black. Like wayyyy darker than what’s seen on pc
Literally*
you can edit ur youtube comment@@mattwoo556
@@DarkClassicGamer I know but it doesn’t let me on mobile, when I click edit nothing happens
Turn up your contrast and turn off HDR
@@ryanwho4433 does dbd even support hdr?. Wonder how it would look on my monitor lol would probably burn out my eyes as mine hits over 1400nits with hdr content on highlights anyway.
I have the feeling that whenever I play Freddy the survivors I go against are turning into potatoes 80% of the time.
Also whenever I pick a killer that I am good with there is a 50% chance that I get newer players.
When I then play a killer I am terrible at I get 2k hour survivors that clap my ass.
But to make the best out of it, I can only get better even if I lose.
People forget that the majority of dbd players are actually new players with less than 300 hours, and ultra casual players. Stats that are based on ALL players are heavily biased towards these new players.
So of course the stats are going to say noobstompers are the best killers even though we know that nurse and blight etc are the best.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
It’s funny to me that hag and twins no longer get shit on all the time because skull merchant is so atrociously unfun
It's just social media circlejerk. Someone says "Skull Merchant sucks" and 3 other people make memes about how they hate Skull Merchant. Then it's start spreading until it becomes site-wide circlejerk. Then memes get repetitive, something else comes out, and they start hating that thing. Rinse and repeat.
But. She does suck.
@@Domce133Well deserved hate tbh.
Found the delusional Snore Merchant player. There's never been a killer that has been so unanimously despised than this one in DBD's history.@@Domce133
@@Domce133you say that as if you've never played against a gen merchant. it's the worst designed killer ever made man
I see Scott’s making a reference to the infamous anime, Breaking Bad and it’s main character Sensei White
I'm still amazed that you can think that Skull Merchant is just ok or whatever after that match between cm9i and eternal. Do we live in two separate universes? Yeah she's definitely not broken it's just that her counterplay is a bit complicated that's all.
Yeah it’s so weird that he said that
Weskers kill rate probably went down cuz we just had the anniversary event and a bunch of sales so more casual players picked up paid dlcs
The reason Wesker has such a "low" kill rate from what you would expect is because EVERYONE plays him because he is one of the strongest killers while also being one of the easiest. If you have everyone playing him then those noobs not getting a single kill will pull the kill rate down pretty significantly, whereas the really good ones will increase it. But there are way more bad players than great players on this game.
Weskers kill rate was super high during the eruption meta so most likely that’s the change.
What does it have to do with anything?
@@Antarctide Wesker was kinda unique from other strong killers in the way he has built in slowdown. Survivors have to remove infection, and they can’t just sit on gens and do it after eruption. It buys a ton of time to kick gens to get value from it, compared to a Blight that’s only occasionally getting value if they got down to a 3 gen. It’s likely also because of his recent changes, but Eruption was disgusting on him so it definitely made a difference in overall kill rates.
good perks make decent / bad killers better. how do you not understand this concept. there's killer mains such as myself that sometimes like to run 0 perks on killer to see how well we can do. perks can quite literally carry you, survivor or killer.@@Antarctide
Alternate Title: "Scott Jund absolutely baffled by DBD kill rates."
I do think people got a better idea of how to handle wesker's dashes in chase, there's a lot of neat stuff you can do with those dashes and I think it took a bit for people to figure out the safest way to handle the options wesker has around pallets
If only I had 5 dollars for every time Scott said "This is so surprising to me" in this video.
yo would have 20 dollars
@@silverstar-is-here no shot! Thats wild
When I was brand new to the game I found it impossible to play Spirit. Maybe it was just me but it was hard to get good with the sounds, I don't know why.
Love your vids, keep up the good work
Anyone else just staring at Buddy the whole video?
Where’s the stats to back up the killer stun sound tier list?
Freddy's Kill rate is likely due to people performing hook seppuku to not face Freddy x3
Singularity is to clunky and map dependent, I don't even bother playing lerry because of those reasons. They should tighten the crosshair so you have to be more precise and make tagging the survivor more forgiving. You are also forced to run the exhausted add on because of MFT
what is that wesker image 10:03 it looks goofy and i dont know why.
I'm pretty sure Wesker's killrate went down after they made it so you can carry the spray can with an item
I feel like the pinhead kill rate also used to be inflated like old pig kill rates bc of the cheese strategies where killwrs just camp the side objective like standig on the lament config or jigsaw boxes
Since her rework, Saddako is absolutly miserable to play.
She went from me wanting to main her to me not wanting to touch her ever again.
How people still manage to die against her is beyond me, she has basically no power anymore against a half-competent team...
I wonder if killswitched killers have skewed rates, though I don’t know how they do the data
i can agree some killers have a killrate tahts high because of the mechanics if their power. i dont personally play pig alot but i recently prestiged her to 3 ( like i do all chars ) and used her exclusivly doing it, and the amount of players who just die to headtrap is unreal, some sit on gens till they die, others run around like madhatters trying to find how to remove it or fail 100 skill checks on box, same with pinhead, he can 4k so so so so easy if peeps dont know they need to solve box.
as for freddy having high killrate, exact same reason, he may not have a strong power etc, but pallet freddy is surprisingly strong in soloQ as everyone and their claudette camp pallets to try and stun me but drean pallet value n all that. Ive had same survivor try and throw the same pallet twice in a single chase multiple times. Ive had people camp a pallet and not 2 secs before they literally watched me place it.
"Ive had same survivor try and throw the same pallet twice in a single chase multiple times."
Y'all literal bottom MMR players be telling on yourselves every time you post.
Any killer with a very low pick rate will also have an artificially inflated kill rate because that usually means that regular players are avoiding them, so the people playing them are disproportionately those who have decided to main them, or players with a lot of hours who want something different or like to test things out, etc.
Another thing about dredge is that if youre playing on a tv its apparently impossible to see anything during nightfall so hes much better against console players
Even on my lil laptop it's impossible to see anything
Im honestly not shocked at where Huntress is. I have put manny hours into her and she has just started to feel terrible to play over the last year. It’s harder to get any value out of fun builds, and the way the map reworks and redesigns have added so much clutter, you’re not able to snipe the way you could before. Her time to kill has increased and if you miss even a couple shots on really good survivors, you’re losing a gen. Just feels bad man.
Onryo isn't currently high kill rate though, she already was rocking that stat before the rework. There are literal BHVR stats placing her that high up in kill rate several patches after her launch.
And back then you could actually pretty succesfully ignore her power.
Just check the All MMR's slide and look who is right behind her, Freddy and Dredge.
Her Condemn was never the pub stomper until after the rework.
The teleports are.
Pre-buff Onryo was very rare to go against, so I tend to think her high stats were mostly a result of the people that the people that played her tended to be Onryo mains. Post rework she's a lot easier for casual players to play, and her high kill rates are mainly because few people have learned the counterplay so far of grabbing the tape right at the start of the match.
Wraith is like certain perks, he’s strong, but people consider him weak cause he’s bland/old. Was thinking about this for Bloodhound recently, there’s just stronger/more interesting perks, doesn’t mean it’s not strong
0:27 Caaaaat
Gato
insightful comment 👍
in terms less than 1% of the playerbase actually uses nightlight. I know I don't and I don't care to. And only the most dedicated of players will report any data. I would not account or use any of this data to form any kind of conclusions to project what the average is.
Can you imagine how much more powerful scott will become with functioning sinuses? The loops will be legendary
Been using Nightlight for a while, always surprising to see escape percentages. Huntress has a high pick rate and 60% of her games are losses or ties.
Scott if I'm not mistaken, people that upload their match stats can either filter out people that disconnected or went afk. Meaning that it won't count for the killrate in the website, so Skull Merchant's killrate of 62.2% should be somewhat correct.
You'd have to throw out the whole match at that point then.
I really enjoyed this video. I agreed on most of the explanations of why the killers were in the list.
With spirit also you kinda need headphones but not everyone will have them for gaming or have low quality ones this probably doesn't help
Pallet Freddy is terrible for facing most survivors, but it's an absolute noobstomper. New survivors will drop the same dream pallet multiple times and still be surprised it's a dream pallet.
I think Huntress have a low killrate due to beginners using her often rely on playing against noobs that'll throw the pallets and get an easy hit on them. When the survivors are smart enough to not do it though it usually end up in a disaster for them.
Trash killers like Freddy being high might be because they’re so unpopular on high ranks that no one except new players use them. And low rank killer gameplay is almost always consistent stomps anyways leading to inflated stats. Logic doesn’t make much sense though because myers isn’t really that high up.
I think the reason that spirit is not near the top of kill rates is probably because you need to have good headphones and if you don't you will mess up a lot of your phases, and considering that she is a 110 killer it makes sense that new players would struggle to play spirit if they mess up phases. Learning counterplay to spirit is also easier because it is in chase so you can notice mistakes you make more unlike losing the game because you healed with an active pig trap, which some people would think they just died because they got 3-4 searches rather than because they healed.
Idk what’s ur prob with healing vs legion. It saved me a few times. Unless you want me to die imma keep healing
Freddy has the clocks and so many new players waste time going for the clocks he’s also always been a noob stomper
most of killer that are low are easy to counter and produce low reward for playing them. its weird how scott talks about "hard to counter" killers having high kill-rates... but does not match how braindead singularities emps are towards countering him. this is case for all low-kill rate killers. Pinhead? do box. Knight? Hold-w away from green circles. Billy? Disrespect all chainsaws curves and loop. If you think he is going to curve, run outwards. Trickster, Strafe and use high-walls. Huntress, Strafe and use high-walls. Nemesis. Rush-gens, abuse vaccines for health-states. You can see how simple these killer are to play against. The effort for killer to counter these strategies is 3X skill-level compare to brain power required for survivor to use them. It is almost impossible to mess up these strategies as survivor. There is like almost 0 ways to mess up singularity EMP. It is like free-counter-play for 0 opportunity cost.. you cannot mess up nemesis vaccines. Wesker's Kill-rate is lower because they nerfed his item infection by allowing survivors to run killer-items and regular items. So his 4vs1 is worse. This is also why Pinhead has lower kill-rate. you can hold box and do generators while carrying med-kit. Most of these stats are always center around bad-killers vs bad survivors. so which ever side plays more bad dictates kill-rate.
Wesker 1 in 10 games? I legit think, that i got Wesker in every 3 games (sometimes 2-3 in a row, sometimes 0 in 4 games, but average around 3). And they all very strange guys, i cant explain why. And always sweatiest persons in the world, ive seen chill wesker around 30 weskers ago. Yes, this is my new metric, weskers. Wesker, wesker, wesker, wesker.
I noticed that Bubba had the second lowest amount of 0k games, which makes sense given their unrivalled ability to camp and one-for-one. Singularity is so low because they're really difficult to play, as you said. I really like Singualrity, but it's hard to pay attention for the full game.
>new player
>sees that nurse is best killer
>loses cuz new
>nurse killrate goes down
>play weaker but simpler killer
>weaker killer killrate goes up
Wesker's stats are likely that a LOT more people got the wesker dlc, and many of the better players who played wesker moved on to other killers after he was no longer the "New" killer. Resulting in the general killer playerbase getting him. There's also the many nerfs to killer which, with being the most popular killer, result in a lower kill rate overall since many average killers would lose to the current meta of buckle up for the people or made for this hope.
This might also be tied to Wesker being weak at loops that are oddly shaped and cant be countered by his dash. So certain unsafe loops that are made safe with made for this make him struggle more as they can just go to the loops he isn't good on.
Also, pinhead's issue is that he is still an M1 killer. M1 killers are currently struggling, even Oni is dealing with this to some degree atm.
Huntress, Trickster and Nem all have issues with it as well. Nem due to the 3 hit thing. Huntress and Trickster because only 4.4
Singularity makes sense. EMPs are very strong and it can be horrendously annoying to have extended loops where people keep popping max distance emps on your chase, or getting ruined by bad map terrain. Also made for this and resil and the bugged vaults makes it awful to deal with current survs atm.
People literally and figuratively sleep on Freddie. Especially with paint thinner. Fake pallets, love them.
I noticed Onryo's killrate spike as soon as the update went live, she's just a pub stomper now. I still haven't won a soloq game against a sadako since the update dropped it's been that bad lol. I'm okay with some of the rework ideas but overall I think she still needs tuning. And no I don't think her kill rate will significantly change.
41% 4k's by the Skull Merchant is absolutely incredible
As someone who has contributed to these 4ks, let me explain why.
If I am in a game and I realize it's skull merchant, I will find the nearest hook, slam the nearest locker or vault the nearest window until she comes by, and point at the hook until I am dead.
A 4 slug nurse is more tolerable because it doesn't eat the whole hour until the game is over.
@@Technature7567 I've also contributed to this in the same way aso you.
Although at other times I don't even want to give her the satisfaction of hooking me and quitting as soon as there is a hint of her terror radius
I’m one of the players that doesn’t know how to counter most killers. I’ve never survived a plague or pig.
if i play Freddy i might as well just wait at the exit gate and open it once everyone gets the gens done.
only if the people i play against are actively eating glue i just get stomped.
can someone explain what is kill rate? like what do these percentages show?
wraith used to be one of the worst killers when I played. It makes me happy seeing how much better he's gotten over the years
Pick rate plays a huge part. Unpopular killers are mostly it’s played by people who one trick that killer, so it skews higher since there are less bad players playing them. Likewise top tier killers get a ton of players who play because they heard they were good so more bad players play them.
Also I think you underrate both how hard listening is for most players and the knowledge required for good hag plays; hag is not easy to play.
I clicked for Scott’s cat on the bottom. V entertaining
I think singularity suffers from survivor counterplay being much too easy against him, which raises his skill floor significantly. Ive found it takes a lot of work to tag someone and have it stick, and using his ability in chase feels nigh impossible, and usually the survivor just has an EMP. why would i go through yhe yrouble of attempting to goop a survivor if theyre instantly gonna emp it?
I used to play Freddy a lot, so at least in my experience newer players would panic when hitting dream snares and underestimate the range of his lunge because of how short he looks.
That and they would panic when you teleport to their gen so faking a TP everytime worked as amazing slowdown.
The moment you faced a team that new what they were doing you just lost.
remember, huntress spirit pinhead and probably some other killers are way harder to play on console, which is a sizeable portion of the playerbase
Skull Merchant being on top doesn't surprise me in the least. I'm actually surprised her killrate isn't even higher though the addition of bots to replace DC survs might actually be lowering it :D 42% of matches ending in 4K really does say a lot.
I don't even play Huntress but I'm going to bet she has dropped a bit due to MFT. Sure she has hatchets which can invalidate it in some situations but against an MFT survivor, it takes her >40% longer to close distance so that she can even get to a place where she can line up a shot. And if it's a loop she can't aim over, it takes her even longer than before to brute force it. Even a crappy rock loop can defeat a Huntress, I feel bad juicing them there. Also, I expect that the presence/absence of MFT could screw with the muscle memory of even good Huntresses.
I'm also surprised Spirit isn't higher. Let's be honest, she doesn't require much skill to do well with, she requires a headset and functioning ears. Yeah, she might have a higher skill ceiling after that but she's not exactly Billy or Blight.
I'm slightly surprised Artist isn't higher. She definitely has a very high skill ceiling but it's simple enough to use her at basic loops to force the survivor into a lose-lose, even if you're not good with her. I guess some inexperienced players might be going for more ambitious plays and failing, IDK.
I'd argue that Wraith actually isn't entirely trivial to counterplay since bad survivors aren't good at paying attention for the first hit and will then panic for the second and feed him finite pallets and create dead zones in situations when they should instead be abusing nearby windows which can really punish Wraith if he can't lunge around them. And newer players won't know the Wraith counterplay of continuously vaulting to waste his time and force him to uncloak. I guess they also won't be familiar enough with his addons to know what kind of Wraith they're dealing with (chase vs hit-and-run, fast uncloak vs eats-pallets-for-breakfast). IDK, Wraith is in a good place nowadays and even a bad Wraith will still get an annoying amount of slowdown by simply equipping Sloppy and zooming around the map whacking people faster than they can heal. I actually think he's low A tier while being easy to play so his killrate doesn't surprise me.
Last night I had 2 p100 teammates that kept setting up their boon and healing against a legion on midwitch… how tf are 2 p100s not familiar with how to play the game still
The 3 freddys i faced last night got 0 kills lol
Facing 3 Freddy's in one night sounds like a dream come true
I think these kill rates are incomplete. I rarely see or have the experience that match these kill rates. I wish Bhvr would just release kill rates and perk use/success rates.
What do they lose doing this? And if they make seemingly nonsense patches those values would likely help the community understand and not complain.
Keep in mind, these stats are based on all skill levels and from all types of players. There are a lot of low level console killers, the vast majority of the player base (over 60%) is noob soloq players, and they don’t want to make changes that affect the vast majority of players. This is actually often what we see from the official stats they release every once in a few blue moons.
There's no way the vast majority are brand new solo q players. That's just not possible for a game like this that's this fucking old