Approach and Landing at Catalina Airport - KAVX
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- As a low time PPL, I wanted to fly into Catalina for the first time with my CFI. Sorry about the poor angle of the front camera, I accidentally knocked it during the previous leg.
N4975F, C172N, 180hp
August 29, 2015
KMYF - L35 - KAVX - KMYF
Very cool. I grew up in a Cessna family, N704JW. The Bison are descendants of a group brought there in the 1920's to be in a movie. Its got to be a pretty sweet life.
That hump caused me to get on the brakes harder than I otherwise would thinking I was running out of runway just to top out and see plenty of runway left. Was flying a 182 skyline. Coming in over a cliff was a bit unnerving. That is why it says “experienced pilots only” I never had the opportunity to go back again. Wow, nothing was there when I made my flight. Only one other aircraft was there. No buildings as I remember. This was in the mid 60s.
Nice work. Flown to Catalina plenty of time. Its always good to fly with an instructor first for this type of airfield. The same is true for Big Bear
I'm doing the training flight to both of those airports this weekend with my instructor in my Mooney. I'm really looking forward to these flights and heading back on my own with my family.
@@michaelrodgers9419 🤙Good deal sir. You will definitely enjoy it
Love the Island! just bought the 333 Las Lomas Ave, property that was on the market for 2 years! Just love it! Retired at 49 and loving life.....More broke though since buying here!!! But no tears :D
I used fly to catalina from Van Nuys airport in the eighties now back to Senegal Africa
Lol the last Cherokee 2092L callsign is the aircraft I'm learning to fly on right now haha
Nice work. I've been flying out of KCRQ for years and still haven't made this trip.
Reminds me of the white knuckle experience I first had...good job!
You have a very good teacher/instructor and you are a very talented pilot...
+Kennet Stenberg Thank you! He's an awesome instructor! I was referred to him from someone online, so I lucked out.
Great job! Would like to land at Catalina on my cali vacation. If you happen to remember what were the winds that day? obviously I think like most pilots the biggest fear for me would be the downdraft pushing you into the cliff. I'd like to rent a plane at Carlsbad I'm assuming before I try it alone an instructor will do a check in with me to Catalina. Thanks for sharing! Definitely a departure from most of the airports I land in pa oh and the east.
I don't remember the exact winds, but I think they were pretty light, probably at or under 10 knots. The prevailing wind is a light onshore flow so generally it's a breeze from the west.
Depending where you rent from, they may or may not have a Catalina checkout requirement, same with Big Bear. My club doesn't technically require it, but I didn't feel comfortable doing either without a CFI the first time so we did a long cross country covering both in one day!
Will you be flying a lot when you visit Socal?
Well I don't know about the red and white cessna call sign but I do recognize the my old flight instructor from SLO! How ya doing Lee? It's Rick B.
My first flight there I had to hand prop the plane to start it for the trip home. No I didn't leave anything on. It was just an old battery. They didn't teach hand prop technique in flight school. I made it up as I went. Subsequent flights there were uneventful.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but looks like you were running lean for most of the approach and even still a bit lean on landing.
Nope you're probably right. I bet I started enriching it when I began the descent and forgot to GUMPS on pre landing. Good eye!
+Daniel Whiting Been 15 years since I sat in the pilot's seat. I have began doing research on various school/leasing businesses. I think I've been to Catalina once; but I sure am ready to do it again! For what it's worth, when I first started training a 150 was $13 and a 172 was $17 and change.... WET! Instruction was $8, and I believe night and other specialty conditions was 10 something. Ahhh, the good ole days indeed.
+Jake Jones Very cool, welcome back! Things are just a tad bit more expensive now... :)
Work on your radio chops... tail number and
aircraft type ...color optional ..and unicom transmissions begin and end with the airport name ...lived in san pedro and flew out of KTOA for years...love the bison burger runs
nice - CFI (or PAX?) a little talky on short final
Good Job!
I've never heard of announcing yourself as "Red/White Cessna". Is this something new for landing there? It's been 30 years since I last landed there and everyone just used their standard tail number on the radio.
+AlaskaErik It's just something I was taught for uncontrolled fields. Other nearby planes don't care what my tailnumber is, they care what my plane looks like. It's all personal preference!
Yes, a tail number would be difficult to read at that distance.
AlaskaErik clearly he was the low hour if not a student pilot so give him a break dude
Non-towered airport, I do both, tail # and color, also over LAX class B airspace corridor.
AC 90-66B 10.3.1 No color calling
Nice landing. Congratulations!
Hope they had a survival kit with raft and life jackets too
very nice thanks for posting
That looks so fun!
I must be one of those pilots that finds this funny
I always say " catalina uncomfortable this is cessna yada yada yada"
Nice landing!
That was exciting!!!!
Good stuff.
Great landing! I was wondering how much did you spend on your flight training? I'm looking to start soon.
Can't comment for other schools, but ours here in Phoenix says about $9500 for private for the average student. www.flygoodyear.com
Ian Shere ouch!
Fine job. I would like to see you hold the yoke more still. You are inducing a little instability by constantly wiggling it.
Awesome approach, did you ever do the math around VBG and risk management, I know for ~30 miles that's impossible on C172 at 65 KIAS but 1/2 the distance to Catalina? Pretty doable at 10k cruising with 1.5nm per 1k drop if... well you know :)
I don’t understand your question. I’m flying there in a few weeks from San Diego with an instructor and trying to prep. What are you mentioning to the uploaded?
@@thetigersaysmeow he's talking about being able to glide to the nearest landmass if you lose an engine.
@@assbread5950 thanks!
was this a piper that you guys were flying on?
It was a Cessna 172N
Great video!!
can you please tell me what suction mount you using for the iPad? I really like how small and not bulky it is.
It's a RAM Mount "EZ-Roll’r". I love it, the iPad mini fits perfectly in it and stays put.
Thank you, it looks really nice, but unfortunately I have a regular size iPad, hope can find same for the big size.
What procedure did they use in this approach? VOR/DME/GPS-B or VOR/GPS-A?
It was just a completely visual VFR approach. I have yet to do an actual approach into Catalina!
@@DanielWhiting Got it. I searched for airport approach letters on the flightaware website and found two VOR approach procedures. I am not a real pilot and only aircraft pilot in the X-Plane 10 simulator.
I pilot three types of aircraft in this simulator: Cessna 172, Baron B-58 and King Air C-90.
In case you set this airport's VOR frequency on NAV1 to locate it and then visually zoomed in?
Good approach and landing ! I Would love to land this airport... 👍
I would be scared I would someone crash into one of those mountains or hills around it.
i know its super late, but dont clean up the flaps untill you have stopped on a full stop landing. when you get into the mountains you will appreciate the drag they give you.
Bearded Barnstormer on older 172s short field landings actually are supposed to have the flaps retracted asap, due to the added lift at least on the m model
@@karlsandin4515 link to the POH? too many "oh back in the day on these models 172s needed: XYZ" stories out there floating around with wrong info, most of it 3rd and 4th hand. Anyone care to argue why its a good idea to complete retract flaps? EDIT: good idea outside what has already been said? I mean if its not in the POH or checklist you are in violation of the FAA standards for critical phases of flight in single pilot operations. Yes there are super specific circumstances you could do that if you absolutely needed to but its deff not something we need/should be teaching lowtime/student pilots. FOLLOW THE CHECKLIST
aeroatlanta.com/docs/aero-atlanta-c172sp-poh.pdf page 93, my apologies it’s for the sp not the m actually
Bearded Barnstormer I believe it has to due simply with reducing the lift in the chance to keep the airplane planted
@@karlsandin4515 yeah thats not an explanation that would satisfy a DPE on why youre going against the checklist and the FAA single pilot critical phases of flight operating procedures... also any amount if increased breaking gained from more load on the tires is going to be mitigated by the reduction in aerodynamic drag from raising the flaps. Physics isnt a free lunch party :P
same trip as L35? MYF->L35->AVX->MYF?
Yep!
+Daniel Whiting cool that's what I want to do someday too. What route did you take from L35 to AVX?
+Daniel Wu Once clear of the mountains, just direct (pretty much through paradise vor) and through the edge of the Bravo
I thought they closed Catalina!?
Just landed there today, it's definitely open!
So glad to hear. Didn't it close for a time?
@@ROCKSTARCRANE nope
Why retract the flaps so early.... clean up after you are off the RWY...no left stabilizer to counter the right cross wind. Right rudder in the wind and left stabilizer would have landed in on the center line. What do you do at a 90 degree cross wind at 22 knots? been there done it MMLT...Rudder in the wind, left stabilizer to correct your heading and smooth on the yoke. Yeah and what is white/ red Cessna for a N number?
Constructive Comments: Aside from approaching with the engine leaned somewhat (mentioned before), the carb heat was on during the approach (not good in a go-around and unnecessary in that weather). There was over-control for what appeared to be a calm day, as pointed out by others as well. But for a CFI, my RED flag was that you instinctively retracted the flaps after touching down, as if you were doing a touch and go! Why? On a short runway with a notorious cliff at the far end of the runway, why remove the flaps that are helping to slow you down now that you are safely on the ground? In a retractable aircraft, that quick instinct can also result in accidentally putting the gear up. The other point, for those of you who want to land at Catalina, is that there is a hump at the far end of that runway, so you cannot see the end until you are almost upon it. That's one reason why there are so many airplane carcasses at the bottom of that cliff!
Many CFIs (and POHs) dictate flap retraction as part of Short Field Landing technique, calling it "transferring the load". In theory by destroying lift, more normal force is applied to the tires, which with a fixed coefficient of friction allows for harder braking. Yes, you lose induced drag, but as you're slowing down, the net force of the induced drag drops off to the square of airspeed. Meanwhile the force able to be applied with the brakes is correlated to the normal force placed on the tire. I'm agnostic one way or the other but engineers who designed plane figured it out, so follow what the POH has to say. In the POH for a 172P, similar to this plane for example, it states to retract flaps. As for carb heat and mixture, yeah it's probably lean, but in a go-around everything goes to the firewall anyway.
He went full rich around 2400 msl and the carb heat should be on during a descent. Flap retraction in a 172 is per the POH.
Small pokes.. Catalina has non-standard right traffic.. I would call “right downwind, right base” to clarify position for other traffic. Also, no checklists… mixture was left lean.. could have been catastrophic in a go around.. other plane calls “Taking active”. It’s an uncontrolled airport. There is no active.. should call runway to confirm which direction you’re taking off. Don’t need to call “with weather” at uncontrolled..no one cares.. feel free to poke at me. I’m just adding some training opinions.
so much for the sterile cockpit... too much bison talk on approach to a difficult airport, with traffic
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Stop yanking the yoke around so much! Be smooothhhj
Yeah overdoing the yoke.....smooth and small corrections
Never ask catalina airport the weather. If they answer because of weird faa regs they will get shut down
Joshua Terry that's odd