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Oh man, why do they do this with beloved movies?! Prequels hold zero tension, which creates drama. De-aging tech looks horrible still, uncanny valley. This is a giant mistake.
We were so lucky we got the LOTR movies when we did. Any earlier and we wouldnt have gotten the right cast and any later it would have been riddled with a lot more unnecessary CGI
@@rovhalt6650 if the exact same LOTR we got came out today you'd complain about politics. The movies increased the role of the female characters, you'd be jumping up and down about Arwen saving Frodo from the Nazgul when it was a man in the books. Let alone that there 2 women screen writers and only 1 man. The I'd dread to think how you'd act when you found out most of the Riders of Rohan were women dressed as men.
@@el_kasztanejlo8555 You've made a seperate statement and used that to deny reality it is not Arwen in the books who rides with frodo. There are 3 screenwriters two are women. And the vast majority of riders of Rohan were women because they owned the horses that were been rented. In addition, in general most movies fail that test you mentioned and almost all fail if it is talking about something that isn't men. That's a pretty famous study.
Story is critical, but bad cgi can doom a movie like this. It won’t matter how good the story is if all anybody can focus on is the uncanny valley. People already have very legitimate doubts about whether they should even make this movie, so they need to nail both the story and the cgi.
Well, there is already a Video 14 years ago, The Hunt for Gollum with 14Million views, watch this and why are you waiting for the film if visuals doesnt matter?
You forgot an important factor. They should, if possible use the same film the LOTR movies were filmed on. There's a huge difference visually between analog and digital, no matter how much post processing they do. It'll help to recreate the look and feel.
Interstellar in 2014 was intentionally shot on film when most all movies were being shot in digital specifically because Christopher Nolan A) likes it better and B) it fit with the protagonist’s personality and love for all the old, manual technology.
They have over 20,000 years of lore to bring to the screen, and they chose something that has no real story and already covered. This is a major snafu.
60 years is only a mere blink in the life of an elf, as Thranduil would say. No need for making Elrond look younger in The Hobbit compared to LOTR. He wouldn't have changed at all. (I'm aware they had to use some effects to make Hugo look younger cause of his age)
They found him after he 'escaped' from Mordor. And it was years of searching, so there are probably stories to be told. Ending with Gollum being left with the elves....
Yeah the plot is inherently bland and linear. If they go for an action packed romp with some impactful, endearing dialogue scenes here or there, we see our heroes on screen again, and they wrap it up in under an hour 40, then it could be fine. A 2+ hour movie or even worse a ~3 hr slog is gonna be brutal.
The rights to the Silmarillion have never been released, so they are limited to what is in LOTR and the Appendices. I can dream that one day the Silmarillion rights are released and used well to create excellent films faithful to the book... But realistically, those are pipe dreams.
Since _The_ _Hunt_ _for_ _Gollum_ runs concurrently with some of the events from _The_ _Fellowship_ _of_ _the_ _Ring_ ("FOTR"), then the filmmakers will have another opportunity to include characters and interactions omitted from the 2001 film. Although I highly doubt it will even be considered, the timeline will make it possible to include the FOTR chapters that describes the four Hobbits leaving the Shire and meeting Tom Bombadil and Goldberry in the Old Forest.
Hopefully they don’t ruin this one by pandering to the conservatives! I’m so sick of forced het romances and hyper-masculine elves and them letting corporate greed ruin the story.
I'm more worried with Ian and with the presence of Orlando Bloom. Do we really need him on this story aswell? On The Hobbit his presence (+Tauriel) ruined the movie for me, so do we really need him coming unto this story too? I would be fine with a small cameo but I think Thranduill is way more important than Legolas in this part. And Ian on The Hobbit looked way older and tired, and I get it that it's normal because he got older, but I would be lying if I didn't say that in some scenes it was really obvious and it took me out a bit. Anyways I'm more worried about these two than Viggo, the man who always said that he would only come back as Aragorn if it made sense story wise and if he was still able to do it, so if he comes back, I trust his judgment 100%
Well, part of the movie takes place in Mirkwood, so it would be weird not to see Legolas there. Especially since him and Aragorn were friends even before the Fellowship iirc. But yeah, maybe a role that's a bit smaller. However, Orlando Bloom is now more of a name than he was during LotR, so it might be hard to get him to commit to a role that is as small as a cameo.
@TheAnakinn yea I know that but for example, the story of the Hobbit also has a great portion in Mirkwood and yet Legolas is not mentioned once, if I'm not mistaken and yet in the movies he was all over it. But I see your point and you are right, it's just my wish ahah
@OpalLitedits did it? I must admit my knowledge of the Lore about the Hunt of Gollum is not the most fresh rn but I don't remember Legolas being mentioned in it, just his Father
I am more concerned about the movie as a whole. There's so many good ideas to put to screen: War of the Ring but focused on the War in the North. Or the Fall of Arnor. With good writing they could explore the Fourth Age! First we were given Hobbit movies, which were poor. Then served RoP which was utter failure. War of the Rohirrim which honestly, I have not even seen yet, not a fan of anime and the plot sounded boring. Now Hunt for Gollum over so many other good plot ideas!? Hunt for Gollum would be the last thing I'd ask.
I wouldn't bother with the 4th age since there's not much material there and they can't even get the second age right with RoP. But maybe the fall or arnor could be a redemption for PJ to do like a 10 episode mini series like band of brothers or something
Aye.. i hope so too. I think he’s still got it, though. I just hope he has someone on set with him.. seeing him cry during the hobbit was heartbreaking
De-aging software is pretty convincing, almost perfect. I'd go far as to say that this is the least of our problems. Having a good script that doesn't feel like a gratuitous waste of time is the big problem - not the actors ages.
Can’t wait for them to somehow stretch a random few pages where Gandalf tells Frodo how he found out more about Bilbo’s ring by capturing and torturing Gollum into three movies.
Two points First, it is essential that the actors' spirit isn't lost in the deaging process. It would be much better imo to just use some makeup and let them be. No one would complain for them being older in a prequel since it is made 25 years after Second, they really need to focus on the story to be out of the books and not their own material like in half the hobbit. Plus they should make a trilogy only if they feel the story needs to fit in a trilogy. Not to do the same as in the hobbit where they stretched it so much that we had to watch a barrel roll down a riverside or watch characters being there only for funs. The lotr was three books, therefore three movies. The hobbit was one book and look what happened. The rings of power (i can't believe i brought that up) was a poem and look at this abomination they dare to place in the lotr universe. So just be cautious with the new project and acknowledge that you can't surpass the original lotr and that's ok. Make something good and you will have us along your side
I can see the first part of the Hunt for Gollum focusing on the people Gandalf and Aragorn meet while travelling together towards Minas Tirith: Since the route is not specified anywhere, I'd have them cross the Misty Mountains to question the Beornings about the rumors of Gollum dwelling there, then meeting Lady Galadriel in Lorien where a) Gandalf discusses Council stuff and Aragorn talks with her about Arwen. Then down towards Rohan through Fangorn, where Gandalf might help the Ents and therefore earn their trust, until finally reaching Rohan to salute a very new King Theoden and pay respects to Thengel. Maybe during the trip to Minas Tirith Aragorn finds the Way of The Dead but refuses to enter, and finally in Minas Tirith Denethor refuses him after recognising him as Thorongil , leaving Gandalf alone in his search for information and setting Aragorn towards the Dead Marshes. It'd be cool if along the way he met a young Faramir learning to be a commander in the outskirts of Osgiliath. And then the 2nd part of the movie where Aragorn interrogates Gollum, takes him to the Woodland Realm, Gandalf tells Frodo to leave the Shire and goes to discuss the matter with Saruman, and as the final epic scene the assault on Woodland Realm where we see Legolas and Thranduil fight and discuss Gollums escape. The movie ends with all the main characters reaching Rivendell for the creation of the Fellowship with it's iconic soundrack playing in the backround, maybe even with the original audio of Elrond introducing the council as the camera pans away and the sound fades
They need to just let it go. They were desperate to recapture the magic that the first trilogy delivered and made the much less magical Hobbit trilogy. That they are going to try it again 25 years after the first trilogy is cringe. That sort of magic can only happen once with a franchise. Are LotR fans really asking for this, or is this just another attempt at a blatant cash grab?
With how much passion went into the LotR trilogy I have confidence that they will get it right. The Hobbit trilogy turned out pretty good already and that was after taking over from a different team with less prep time. Now that they're working on it from the start and a lot of the LotR team has reunited, I think they can pull this off. Nobody expected LotR to be as great as it was, so I'm confident they can do it again
This isnt a passion project.. its a money printer, going purely of name recognition. I have zero hopes for this, that way I cannot be disappointed like most you guys will be.
@TheAnakinn The Hobbit was some of the worst garbage ever produced. An absolute travesty and a waste of money and time. That barrel riding scene alone was the most cringe worthy piece of shit I've ever seen..... and you liked it?!?
@ Damn, calm down, you're acting like I insulted your entire family. The Hobbit trilogy is not as bad as many make it out to be. It had it's problems and unnecessary fluff (like the whole Kili/Tauriel thing) and way too much CGI, but it's by no means "an absolute travesty". The first two were great and if you don't agree, fine, but let me enjoy what I want and you can go back to your hate boner.
I recommend the M4 Book Edit of the Hobbit. An absolute improvement over the originals. Structured like 1 extended edition of LotR, and he still makes subtle changes to it. You can view it in many formats and burn it to blu-ray yourself.
The beard and long hair will also help. And i guess he will be pretty filthy most of the movie so with dirt on his face etc it will help + stunt double for action scenes etc.
He also isnt that visibly aged, meaning it would be far easier to deage him if needed. Its not as extreme as baby faced downey junior in Civil War for example, but it also worked there. He is still active and fit he can do it. I would be more concerned with how limited Ian might be, it might be quite a lot like with Christopher Lee in Hobbit, where he can only do speaking parts, while he liked being more active and doing some stunt work himself.
@ I completely agree. And with the Saruman action scenes you never really notice its not Sir Christopher Lee doing it. So its pretty easy to hide stunt doubles if needed
The LOTR movies were made at the perfect time. The technologies were adequate enough, and people weren't obsessed with deconstruction, representation and PC.
Very very true. Plus its cgi looks better than a lot of later movies which look like video game cut scenes. Of course, I prefer the look of 35 or 70mm film instead of digital, which is too smooth. I’m probably in the minority that RotK is my least favorite of the trilogy (still love all 3 tho) because it has so much more cgi and much less of the sweeping, panoramic cinematography.
I honestly couldn't care less if they just put a nice hat on Viggo and let him be older. Hats change everything. Age progression between a trilogy would matter - I wouldn't want him looking older in Two Towers than in Return of the King, but a little makeup and hair dye would be absolutely enough for me in the hunt for Gollum. And a hat, as I said. Andy Serkis ages backward anyways, so his voice won't need any changing. Also, will this movie require him to knock two daggers out of the air with his sword, or will it require him to knock a short-sword out of the air? How does that work?
Yeah, this is my mindset too. I can accept that this film was made later and suspend my disbelief. I can sort of disconnect it, and let it be its own separate entity. While Middle-earth is meant to be a 7 film series watched from War of the Rohirrim to Return of the King, the cohesion is not really there, and I can take each story as is. It doesn't really matter to me that Ian McKellen, Orlando Bloom, Cate Blanchett, and Christopher Lee were visibly older in the Hobbit movies, I can watch that trilogy on its own.
No black elves, dwarfs and hobbits please, no short haired elfs, no connection to rings of power please…. If you must have a black character make it a haradrim and makes us care about him/her
@@Jecoopsterin a book that only includes european looking characters and draws from european mythology and culture there is no appropriate use for a random bl@ck character…. also YOU do not represent the fandom…. you WOKERS have completely destroyed films these days… they are unwatchable… and how dare you force yourself and your anti-wh!te hate speech into a community that wants to be left alone… shall we also have a shindlers list where there are random bl@ck characters just so you reality deniers can spew your anti-white hate at us… and then you have the gall to wonder why people are becoming more wright wing? ill tell you why…. its you….
Black characters are fine if they write them well instead of being all republican about it. Instead of just shoving a generic modern looking black person and not giving them any interesting personality or character because they are biased against them, they instead need to write them with respect and give them a character design and costume that fits the art direction.
The problem with all of these adaptations is that they weren't written by Tolkien. His main preoccupation was language - he was a medieval language professor, after all. For many people, this is what attracts and brings them back them to Silmarillion, Hobbit and LoTR. Literally epic language that evokes a mythic past. Jackson worked from the texts, so a lot of that language is in his films. As the writers of RoP and War of the Rohirrim have shown, they have zero interest in it. So while it may look like Middle-Earth, it won't be Tolkien. I don't think the ageing will be the problem; it'll be the writing.
Gandalf woukd suppose to be old so kinda. Its going to be like sir christopher lee in the hobbit, he could barely walk but he nailed his part as usual!
ALL of us fans WANT our original actors back in their iconic roles. DO whatever it takes to make it happen!! Peter Jackson went to no expense to produce those master pieces and no expense should be given to the sequels. If there is the possibility of more sequels, do them back to back before we lose Ian McKellen.💖
Even though I love the original lord of the rings trilogy and the hobbit trilogy too, I don't really think this movie idea has enough depth to be interesting. This new movie is supposed to happen before the first trilogy which is strange especially when the original stories were based on books but this new movie is a new plot of some sort.
No, it’s in the books. Admittedly in the appendices and background books, but it’s there. 100% authentic source material, but with scope to expand into a full story.
I think the story idea is great and even though it takes place slightly before/during the early events of Fellowship, while we'd all like to see the original actors return, an alternate idea is to do what they did with X-Men: First Class by having younger actors play the roles of the characters. Now, I know it's not preferred and we all want Ian, Viggo, Orlando, Andy, etc. returning for their respective roles, but as what was previously mentioned, they're not getting any younger and de-aging can only do so much. I'm cautiously hopeful, though.
I don’t think The Hunt for Gollum takes place before Fellowship but during. I mean when Gandalf read Isildur’s account, he says to Frodo: I looked everywhere for the creature Gollum, before he had his suspicions about the ring
I agree. Even if it’s good, I feel like it might turn out to be more of a fan service project than a standalone story. Either way, I hope it works. LOTR fans deserve another W
They have the book summary and can invent the rest of the story. Tolkien called this process "other minds and hands". After all, these events DID happen in Middle-earth.
Some of the best fanfics I’ve ever read were about this story. One, which I fully believe Tolkien would have enjoyed and approved of, clocked in at over 400,000 words. The journey from Mordor to Mirkwood is over 1000 miles, and that doesn’t even include the hunting beforehand. Guess what I’m trying to say is there are ways to lengthen a story without it dragging.
The difference here RE: "Other minds and hands" is that these are minds of metal and wheels, primarily concerned with turning the brand recognition into profit. The Hobbit was such an appalling debacle, thinking this will be anything better is folly. Too much money is in play.
I think we're overthinking perfection. They'll get some usual makeup and post production will do... post production, and their age will be noticeable but acceptable. I don't really care if gandalf has some extra wrinkles, Aragorn looks more rugged, or if Legolas aged a bit... CGi faces are distracting, wrinkles aren't.
Eh, never been too bothered by digitally deaged faces, especially in VFX heavy films. I'm already suspending my disbelief, what's a weird face or two more?
Great video! I'll say this. None of this matters. If Viggo and Sir Ian don't reprise their roles, the movie will be an immense flop. Viggo *is* Aragorn, and Sir Ian *is* Gandalf. Period. I thought the de-aging in Indiana Jones was great, so yes, the technology is there and no doubt better, but they need Viggo and Sir Ian.
No, it won't. It's being made by modern Hollywood, the same one that made rings of power. You're huffing both copium and hopium if you think it won't be the rings of power but with gollum.
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but I think it's a terrible, terrible, mistake to recast the old actors. Don't get me wrong, the original films are the greatest films of all time. BUT the cast were perfect for the roles back then, not now they're 25 years older. I can't help feeling we're holding onto something that has already been and gone, rather than striving to do something new and good in its own right.
its not impossible… but i sincerely doubt peter jackson will put the love and attention into this project that it actually deserves… we saw that with the hobbit… while not bad films they are simply nowhere near the level of the absolute masterpiece lotr trilogy….
The BIGGEST issue is that this movie was already made by LOTR fans into a 30-minute movie, which is about all it should be given the little time Tolkein spent on it. And I thought "The Hobbit" was bloated......2 movies about THIS?! Love the books and the PJ trilogy, but this will be a waste.
I think they should completely abandon any attempt to de-age. Regardless of its convincingness, it will always hamper and cover the emotions of the actors. Who cares if they look older? It won’t matter for the stand alone film/films.
The script for this video sounds suspiciously like it was ai generated. Its like a high-school essay style with bulletpoints, just like how chat gpt does.
The biggest problem is that no one really wants this movie. Personally I think people would care more about what happened after the LOTR. Gimli's cave, the rebuilding of the cities, Aragorn's rule, the work Legolas did in restoring the land and of course Gimli and Legolas sailing away at the end.
Practicly deaging him with facial hair and make up. Dyed hair would enough, Viggo looks very fit and youthful for his age. CGI face replacemant would be far too much, minor touchups to reduce his wrinkles around the eyes would be all that's needed.
Personally, I never got used to older Gandalf and older Legolas in the Hobbit movies. It constantly stood out to me like a sore thumb. And that was over a decade ago now
The major problem will be taking a minor sub-plot and expanding it into a full-length movie. Remember what happened when The Hobbit was turned into a trilogy? Meh. =9[.]9=
"Hobbyist" and amateurs have a much stronger grasp of this tech than professionals. They need to seek them out and most importantly give them the time necessary to polish it just right. It would be a shame if something was rushed to be released on a certain date, forever condemning it to look like garbage, when if those people were given that extra month, it would look great eternally.
Tbh I'd rather have a slightly wonky, digitally altered version of the original actors than a new cast playing these beloved characters. Viggo will forever be my Aragorn, and Orland forever my Legolas. And Ian as Gandalf, of course.
To me there's absolutely no need for The Hunt For Gollum. There would have been so many possible story seeds in different times in Middle Earth (even years after the time of the original trilogy). A side track of the original trilogy with the old cast? With the Hobbit and all of it's faults and weaknesses in mind I expect a half-a**ed cash grab.
I really Hope they don’t do this. I’d rather them be entirely re cast. Better yet. Choose a much more complete story to adapt. I already think more about how dead and stagnant their eyes and face are gonna look instead of what the movie is even about. It will be a massive distraction. Just don’t do it.
It doesnt happen before the fellowship, it happens during it. And the age change shouldnt matter any more because of the advancement of AI technology. If they cant do the films convincingly with AI and digital technology then they shouldnt bother. They should never ever recast any of the characters under any circumstances
They NEED to film two different movies back-to-back while they have the cast together. THfG of course, ...and...the reign of King Elessar. Which film would you pay more to see?
I don’t actually understand why they are making this film. We already know what happened and it’s not actually that interesting a part of the story? We know he looked for Gollum, but Gollum had been kidnapped and was being tortured
Take notes, Andy Serkis and Co.! Now I’m still worried about whether the storyline will actually be good, and more worried that even if it is, it’ll be impossible to do right! All sorts of things can happen, though, so I’ll hold my judgement until at least casting is complete.
I don't see any merit in a Hunt for Gollum movie. No stakes, predictable story, lack of action and most of the time only Aragorn and Gollum walking together.
The only time I’ve seen where I thought chi rewind worked was luke and Leia in star wars buuut those were 2sec scenes. This idea makes me very nervous, love the original cast but it’s time for new series in a different period
@Ms314159265358979323 i don't overestimate modern hollywood anymore.. film quality would obviously be preferred.. but even just bts of something good is better, than some random bad stuff of something good.. as has been the case with everything but the og trilogy
I think there are many other events that took place in Middle Earth that could have been a far better story to tell. They could have gone all the way back to Valinor in the first age. There are lots of events that would make an amazing movie or even a trilogy.
At first I was like, Huh?? when they chose that obscure story. But as I thought on it more, it does make a nice bridge between The Hobbit and LOTR, uses a lot of familiar and loved characters, and world builds in preparation for LOTR in ways that people who aren't familiar with the legendarium could find intriguing. But I FULLY agree with you about ROP, and fear this movie made in these times could also sully Tolkien's beautiful world. But with much of the same people on board as in the original film trilogy, I have a bit more faith it won't be as bad as ROP.
Considering how well technology reconstructed young Mark Hamil I'm sure it can handle reconstructing young Viggi, Ian, and Andy and Orlando too. Tho Andy was never really an issue bc he was always cgi anyway 😆
I believe that Viggo is the greatest fit for a fictional character ever in movie history. I have read TLotR at least 13 times and to me in my imagination Viggo is Aragorn. I just hope that the new film is done with care and finesse.
I think that Viggo looks amazing for 26 years older. I love the LOTR trilogy so much and i don't think it can ever be replicated. So much worked. The actors, costumes, makeup, lighting, music etc. It was genius. I fear for too much digital interference. Obviously some is needed but i loved the real backgrounds in so much of LOTR. I'm hopeful for this new movie because of who's working on it and who may possibly be in it. I'm excited as i was 26 years ago. I'm Viggos age now that he was in LOTR when it was filmed. Watching these movies brings me back to my 20s when the world felt more magical. I long for that feeling again.
But what I'll miss is the magic of Andrew Lesnie as director of photography. He and Peter Jackson worked brilliantly together and between them created that unique vision of Middle-earth.
I have a feeling I'm going to be ok with it. I've probably watched the extended LOTR 20 times. I'm happy they're involved, that's all I need from their appearance. Let's hope the story is well done!
We have hit such a deep and punishing bedrock that we arent that picky anymore. Just respect the source material and the theme. Dont need alot of woke stuff, love triangles or nonstop lines of comedy. I have hope but War of the Rohirrim left me in a wretched state
I disagree. I'm extremely picky because of this. Any announcement is met with, "Aw sheet, hier we go agin." Instead of excitement. This movie will have to be exceptional to even get me to consider going to watch it. After ROP War of the Rohirrim was a big no no for me
There is also the issue of Elrond. Hugo Weaving has said in no uncertain terms that he is DONE and feels he is too old to play Elrond. A Lotr movie would feel strange with no Rivendell or Elrond. If Weaving cannot be coaxed into returning, they will have no choice but to write him out of the story or recast.
I fear the same thing. Imagine being an actor in this day and age and your job being to pretend to be literally someone else but in such a way that you get zero recognition. Hopefully they will shoot a scene that is set AFTER the Return of the King but for the regular film they will hire a new Aragorn.
Interesting take. I feel you forgot one aspect though. And that is experience/honing of their crafts. Most of the people mentioned have continuously worked their craft and gained more experience. They can bring even more to a movie that will have more interpersonal acting rather than an action oriented one.
I trust PJ and WETA and their teams implicitly. I'm sure they would never have gone ahead with htis project if they didn't have it all sorted out first or were confident they could do so later.
The next movie will be about the little known cousin of Bilbo, Bungo Brandybuck. It will be all about his adventures trying to steal the best pipe weed from farmer Maggots fields. It will be a trilogy. Then they'll make a second trilogy after that.
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Oh man, why do they do this with beloved movies?! Prequels hold zero tension, which creates drama. De-aging tech looks horrible still, uncanny valley. This is a giant mistake.
@@daveythrice nah this is a great idea
@@dybala.joyaedits what makes you think this? I hope you're being sarcastic. You can never tell
We were so lucky we got the LOTR movies when we did. Any earlier and we wouldnt have gotten the right cast and any later it would have been riddled with a lot more unnecessary CGI
and politics
@@rovhalt6650 if the exact same LOTR we got came out today you'd complain about politics. The movies increased the role of the female characters, you'd be jumping up and down about Arwen saving Frodo from the Nazgul when it was a man in the books. Let alone that there 2 women screen writers and only 1 man. The I'd dread to think how you'd act when you found out most of the Riders of Rohan were women dressed as men.
@ lmao so true. Culture warrior bullshit
@@Alex-cw3rzyou know in the whole lotr trilogy there isn’t a single line two women spoke with each other? I highly doubt your argument
@@el_kasztanejlo8555 You've made a seperate statement and used that to deny reality it is not Arwen in the books who rides with frodo. There are 3 screenwriters two are women. And the vast majority of riders of Rohan were women because they owned the horses that were been rented. In addition, in general most movies fail that test you mentioned and almost all fail if it is talking about something that isn't men. That's a pretty famous study.
The thing is that the most important thing about any film is going to be the STORY!!! If the story suck, it won't matter how good the visuals are!!!
It's only in reality a "short story". A LOTR fan group already sis a 30-minute movie on this, and it's good. 2 full-length movies is a bloated waste.
Story is critical, but bad cgi can doom a movie like this. It won’t matter how good the story is if all anybody can focus on is the uncanny valley. People already have very legitimate doubts about whether they should even make this movie, so they need to nail both the story and the cgi.
Well, there is already a Video 14 years ago, The Hunt for Gollum with 14Million views, watch this and why are you waiting for the film if visuals doesnt matter?
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I can understand the concern, if its not done successfully then you cant "suspend disbelief" as you need to do for the story to be told.
You forgot an important factor. They should, if possible use the same film the LOTR movies were filmed on. There's a huge difference visually between analog and digital, no matter how much post processing they do. It'll help to recreate the look and feel.
I’d love it if they chose to do that!
Interstellar in 2014 was intentionally shot on film when most all movies were being shot in digital specifically because Christopher Nolan A) likes it better and B) it fit with the protagonist’s personality and love for all the old, manual technology.
@@jefffinkbonner9551 Nolan does that on every movie, though. Not just Interstellar.
Agreed!!! And no cgi orcs!
LOTR was converted from film to digital and back to film so it doesn't matter
They have over 20,000 years of lore to bring to the screen, and they chose something that has no real story and already covered. This is a major snafu.
There's a rights issue with the Silmarillion though...
And there is an artistic issue with this choice... @@joyfulyes
Even to re-cast them won’t feel the same. The honest truth is, all the cast who were chosen are irreplaceable!
It's sad we can't see Boromir and Faramir together again
Next up: The Stewards of Gondor
Sean Bean and David Wenham still lives so why not?
@ I'd honestly love to see that
As long as it is not in the Hunt for Gollum. Has nothing to do with the story
Where was gondor when 3 orcs from dol guldur mug me?!
Whatever make up/effect they used on Hugo Weaving during The Hobbit would work for me, he genuinely and convincingly looked younger than in LOTR to me
60 years is only a mere blink in the life of an elf, as Thranduil would say. No need for making Elrond look younger in The Hobbit compared to LOTR. He wouldn't have changed at all. (I'm aware they had to use some effects to make Hugo look younger cause of his age)
I think a bigger issue is what is the point of story, we looked for him, sauron got there first.
They found him after he 'escaped' from Mordor. And it was years of searching, so there are probably stories to be told. Ending with Gollum being left with the elves....
Yeah the plot is inherently bland and linear. If they go for an action packed romp with some impactful, endearing dialogue scenes here or there, we see our heroes on screen again, and they wrap it up in under an hour 40, then it could be fine. A 2+ hour movie or even worse a ~3 hr slog is gonna be brutal.
Yeah bro it's gonna su___uuuck!
A tale from Silmarillion should have been chosen instead of the Gollum prequel.
The rights to the Silmarillion have never been released, so they are limited to what is in LOTR and the Appendices. I can dream that one day the Silmarillion rights are released and used well to create excellent films faithful to the book... But realistically, those are pipe dreams.
@mtcelticharper Thank you. I wasn't aware of a rights issue.
0:37 I love how Orlando Bloom looks the same 😂
He definitely has actual elven blood in his veins
@LikeWhyTF LOL that MUST be it 😂😂
Definitely looks older.
IKR!! I had to watch twice to see what had changed 😂
he doesn't look the same at all lol
Since _The_ _Hunt_ _for_ _Gollum_ runs concurrently with some of the events from _The_ _Fellowship_ _of_ _the_ _Ring_ ("FOTR"), then the filmmakers will have another opportunity to include characters and interactions omitted from the 2001 film.
Although I highly doubt it will even be considered, the timeline will make it possible to include the FOTR chapters that describes the four Hobbits leaving the Shire and meeting Tom Bombadil and Goldberry in the Old Forest.
Maybe Gandalf visits old Tom after leaving Bag End before heading to Minas Tirith?
Hopefully they don’t ruin this one by pandering to the conservatives! I’m so sick of forced het romances and hyper-masculine elves and them letting corporate greed ruin the story.
I'm more worried with Ian and with the presence of Orlando Bloom. Do we really need him on this story aswell? On The Hobbit his presence (+Tauriel) ruined the movie for me, so do we really need him coming unto this story too? I would be fine with a small cameo but I think Thranduill is way more important than Legolas in this part. And Ian on The Hobbit looked way older and tired, and I get it that it's normal because he got older, but I would be lying if I didn't say that in some scenes it was really obvious and it took me out a bit. Anyways I'm more worried about these two than Viggo, the man who always said that he would only come back as Aragorn if it made sense story wise and if he was still able to do it, so if he comes back, I trust his judgment 100%
Well, part of the movie takes place in Mirkwood, so it would be weird not to see Legolas there. Especially since him and Aragorn were friends even before the Fellowship iirc. But yeah, maybe a role that's a bit smaller. However, Orlando Bloom is now more of a name than he was during LotR, so it might be hard to get him to commit to a role that is as small as a cameo.
@TheAnakinn yea I know that but for example, the story of the Hobbit also has a great portion in Mirkwood and yet Legolas is not mentioned once, if I'm not mistaken and yet in the movies he was all over it. But I see your point and you are right, it's just my wish ahah
Well, Legolas did kinda play a part in the story. Idk it just feels like it could work
Ian crying when they started make first hobbit movie... so you understand how hard it is.
@OpalLitedits did it? I must admit my knowledge of the Lore about the Hunt of Gollum is not the most fresh rn but I don't remember Legolas being mentioned in it, just his Father
They are gonna mess up with the remakes and everything. They should leave it alone
I am more concerned about the movie as a whole. There's so many good ideas to put to screen: War of the Ring but focused on the War in the North. Or the Fall of Arnor.
With good writing they could explore the Fourth Age!
First we were given Hobbit movies, which were poor.
Then served RoP which was utter failure.
War of the Rohirrim which honestly, I have not even seen yet, not a fan of anime and the plot sounded boring.
Now Hunt for Gollum over so many other good plot ideas!? Hunt for Gollum would be the last thing I'd ask.
I wouldn't bother with the 4th age since there's not much material there and they can't even get the second age right with RoP. But maybe the fall or arnor could be a redemption for PJ to do like a 10 episode mini series like band of brothers or something
I hope that at age 85, Ian McKellen is physically able to make another epic movie.
Aye.. i hope so too. I think he’s still got it, though. I just hope he has someone on set with him.. seeing him cry during the hobbit was heartbreaking
De-aging software is pretty convincing, almost perfect. I'd go far as to say that this is the least of our problems. Having a good script that doesn't feel like a gratuitous waste of time is the big problem - not the actors ages.
Forget CGI for a moment. Are they going to use Chat GPT to create the script, or are we going to get a real movie and not a cash cow?
The way I cackled... Let me buy you a drink.
Yeah get that conservative crap out of our lotr
Can’t wait for them to somehow stretch a random few pages where Gandalf tells Frodo how he found out more about Bilbo’s ring by capturing and torturing Gollum into three movies.
A single movie should suffice. Could have done the same with the Hobbit, but we'll see what happens
@@stinkvingertjie The fans fixed that, the tolkein edit is great
Two points
First, it is essential that the actors' spirit isn't lost in the deaging process. It would be much better imo to just use some makeup and let them be. No one would complain for them being older in a prequel since it is made 25 years after
Second, they really need to focus on the story to be out of the books and not their own material like in half the hobbit. Plus they should make a trilogy only if they feel the story needs to fit in a trilogy. Not to do the same as in the hobbit where they stretched it so much that we had to watch a barrel roll down a riverside or watch characters being there only for funs. The lotr was three books, therefore three movies. The hobbit was one book and look what happened. The rings of power (i can't believe i brought that up) was a poem and look at this abomination they dare to place in the lotr universe. So just be cautious with the new project and acknowledge that you can't surpass the original lotr and that's ok. Make something good and you will have us along your side
I can see the first part of the Hunt for Gollum focusing on the people Gandalf and Aragorn meet while travelling together towards Minas Tirith: Since the route is not specified anywhere, I'd have them cross the Misty Mountains to question the Beornings about the rumors of Gollum dwelling there, then meeting Lady Galadriel in Lorien where a) Gandalf discusses Council stuff and Aragorn talks with her about Arwen. Then down towards Rohan through Fangorn, where Gandalf might help the Ents and therefore earn their trust, until finally reaching Rohan to salute a very new King Theoden and pay respects to Thengel. Maybe during the trip to Minas Tirith Aragorn finds the Way of The Dead but refuses to enter, and finally in Minas Tirith Denethor refuses him after recognising him as Thorongil , leaving Gandalf alone in his search for information and setting Aragorn towards the Dead Marshes. It'd be cool if along the way he met a young Faramir learning to be a commander in the outskirts of Osgiliath.
And then the 2nd part of the movie where Aragorn interrogates Gollum, takes him to the Woodland Realm, Gandalf tells Frodo to leave the Shire and goes to discuss the matter with Saruman, and as the final epic scene the assault on Woodland Realm where we see Legolas and Thranduil fight and discuss Gollums escape.
The movie ends with all the main characters reaching Rivendell for the creation of the Fellowship with it's iconic soundrack playing in the backround, maybe even with the original audio of Elrond introducing the council as the camera pans away and the sound fades
They need to just let it go. They were desperate to recapture the magic that the first trilogy delivered and made the much less magical Hobbit trilogy. That they are going to try it again 25 years after the first trilogy is cringe. That sort of magic can only happen once with a franchise. Are LotR fans really asking for this, or is this just another attempt at a blatant cash grab?
I'll pay to see it either way though. I can't not.
The latter unfortunately. I couldn’t bring myself to watch rings of power fully and I’m not sure i with this one
The Hobbit is a masterpiece.
@@RadagastTheGreat I love it the same as Lord of the Rings. Both are great in my book.
With how much passion went into the LotR trilogy I have confidence that they will get it right. The Hobbit trilogy turned out pretty good already and that was after taking over from a different team with less prep time. Now that they're working on it from the start and a lot of the LotR team has reunited, I think they can pull this off. Nobody expected LotR to be as great as it was, so I'm confident they can do it again
This isnt a passion project.. its a money printer, going purely of name recognition. I have zero hopes for this, that way I cannot be disappointed like most you guys will be.
@TheAnakinn The Hobbit was some of the worst garbage ever produced. An absolute travesty and a waste of money and time. That barrel riding scene alone was the most cringe worthy piece of shit I've ever seen..... and you liked it?!?
@ Damn, calm down, you're acting like I insulted your entire family. The Hobbit trilogy is not as bad as many make it out to be. It had it's problems and unnecessary fluff (like the whole Kili/Tauriel thing) and way too much CGI, but it's by no means "an absolute travesty". The first two were great and if you don't agree, fine, but let me enjoy what I want and you can go back to your hate boner.
@@nerfherder33the Hobbit trilogy isn't that bad, come on
I recommend the M4 Book Edit of the Hobbit. An absolute improvement over the originals. Structured like 1 extended edition of LotR, and he still makes subtle changes to it. You can view it in many formats and burn it to blu-ray yourself.
The beard and long hair will also help. And i guess he will be pretty filthy most of the movie so with dirt on his face etc it will help + stunt double for action scenes etc.
He also isnt that visibly aged, meaning it would be far easier to deage him if needed. Its not as extreme as baby faced downey junior in Civil War for example, but it also worked there. He is still active and fit he can do it. I would be more concerned with how limited Ian might be, it might be quite a lot like with Christopher Lee in Hobbit, where he can only do speaking parts, while he liked being more active and doing some stunt work himself.
@ I completely agree. And with the Saruman action scenes you never really notice its not Sir Christopher Lee doing it. So its pretty easy to hide stunt doubles if needed
Plus the obvious other makeup... And then you can add some final de-aging touches on a computer if needed. Shouldnt be an issue really.
Maybe that will be the trick: make them stay really dirty all the time so you can hardly see the aging 🤣
The LOTR movies were made at the perfect time. The technologies were adequate enough, and people weren't obsessed with deconstruction, representation and PC.
Agreed!
Very very true. Plus its cgi looks better than a lot of later movies which look like video game cut scenes. Of course, I prefer the look of 35 or 70mm film instead of digital, which is too smooth.
I’m probably in the minority that RotK is my least favorite of the trilogy (still love all 3 tho) because it has so much more cgi and much less of the sweeping, panoramic cinematography.
They did way more representation in that era they just weren’t offensive with it and audiences weren’t such pussies about it.
With enough pre production it will be an improvement on the hobbit and I'm here for it
And Hobbit wasn't even bad, just not as great as it could have been. I'm confident they can pull it off
@@TheAnakinnI agree! Just trying to stay positive and hope for the best 😁
"Not even the wisest can see all ends"
The Irishman is the worst and most distracting example of de-aging in my opinion. Looks terrible.
I honestly couldn't care less if they just put a nice hat on Viggo and let him be older. Hats change everything. Age progression between a trilogy would matter - I wouldn't want him looking older in Two Towers than in Return of the King, but a little makeup and hair dye would be absolutely enough for me in the hunt for Gollum. And a hat, as I said.
Andy Serkis ages backward anyways, so his voice won't need any changing.
Also, will this movie require him to knock two daggers out of the air with his sword, or will it require him to knock a short-sword out of the air? How does that work?
Yeah, this is my mindset too. I can accept that this film was made later and suspend my disbelief. I can sort of disconnect it, and let it be its own separate entity. While Middle-earth is meant to be a 7 film series watched from War of the Rohirrim to Return of the King, the cohesion is not really there, and I can take each story as is. It doesn't really matter to me that Ian McKellen, Orlando Bloom, Cate Blanchett, and Christopher Lee were visibly older in the Hobbit movies, I can watch that trilogy on its own.
Bring back the same magical feeling how it was with the LOTR Trilogy.
No black elves, dwarfs and hobbits please, no short haired elfs, no connection to rings of power please…. If you must have a black character make it a haradrim and makes us care about him/her
Biggest same I've ever samed
Racist sad loser. You don’t represent the fandom.
@@Jecoopsterin a book that only includes european looking characters and draws from european mythology and culture there is no appropriate use for a random bl@ck character…. also YOU do not represent the fandom…. you WOKERS have completely destroyed films these days… they are unwatchable… and how dare you force yourself and your anti-wh!te hate speech into a community that wants to be left alone… shall we also have a shindlers list where there are random bl@ck characters just so you reality deniers can spew your anti-white hate at us… and then you have the gall to wonder why people are becoming more wright wing? ill tell you why…. its you….
Idgaf if anyone's black or not, so long as they just make it good. But that's highly unlikely because it requires them to write a compelling story.
Black characters are fine if they write them well instead of being all republican about it. Instead of just shoving a generic modern looking black person and not giving them any interesting personality or character because they are biased against them, they instead need to write them with respect and give them a character design and costume that fits the art direction.
The problem with all of these adaptations is that they weren't written by Tolkien. His main preoccupation was language - he was a medieval language professor, after all. For many people, this is what attracts and brings them back them to Silmarillion, Hobbit and LoTR.
Literally epic language that evokes a mythic past.
Jackson worked from the texts, so a lot of that language is in his films.
As the writers of RoP and War of the Rohirrim have shown, they have zero interest in it.
So while it may look like Middle-Earth, it won't be Tolkien.
I don't think the ageing will be the problem; it'll be the writing.
I'm still really hoping for a Return to Moria with Ken Stott leading. Would be great.
Ian might not need any deaging for Hunt For Gollum I think
Gandalf woukd suppose to be old so kinda. Its going to be like sir christopher lee in the hobbit, he could barely walk but he nailed his part as usual!
ALL of us fans WANT our original actors back in their iconic roles. DO whatever it takes to make it happen!! Peter Jackson went to no expense to produce those master pieces and no expense should be given to the sequels. If there is the possibility of more sequels, do them back to back before we lose Ian McKellen.💖
If they use more than absolutely minimal digital effects, I'm gonna riot big time.
Even though I love the original lord of the rings trilogy and the hobbit trilogy too, I don't really think this movie idea has enough depth to be interesting. This new movie is supposed to happen before the first trilogy which is strange especially when the original stories were based on books but this new movie is a new plot of some sort.
No, it’s in the books. Admittedly in the appendices and background books, but it’s there. 100% authentic source material, but with scope to expand into a full story.
Well there is a 17 year time game from when Bilbo leaves the Shire to when Frodo leaves the Shire, so the film is easily placed in that time gap
I think the story idea is great and even though it takes place slightly before/during the early events of Fellowship, while we'd all like to see the original actors return, an alternate idea is to do what they did with X-Men: First Class by having younger actors play the roles of the characters. Now, I know it's not preferred and we all want Ian, Viggo, Orlando, Andy, etc. returning for their respective roles, but as what was previously mentioned, they're not getting any younger and de-aging can only do so much. I'm cautiously hopeful, though.
I don’t think The Hunt for Gollum takes place before Fellowship but during.
I mean when Gandalf read Isildur’s account, he says to Frodo: I looked everywhere for the creature Gollum, before he had his suspicions about the ring
What we mean is that the movie will likely also explore Gollum’s past before Fellowship.
The biggest problem for me is that it's just not enough substance for a full length movie
I agree. Even if it’s good, I feel like it might turn out to be more of a fan service project than a standalone story. Either way, I hope it works. LOTR fans deserve another W
Let's hope they won't make a trilogy out of it 😅
They have the book summary and can invent the rest of the story. Tolkien called this process "other minds and hands". After all, these events DID happen in Middle-earth.
Some of the best fanfics I’ve ever read were about this story. One, which I fully believe Tolkien would have enjoyed and approved of, clocked in at over 400,000 words. The journey from Mordor to Mirkwood is over 1000 miles, and that doesn’t even include the hunting beforehand.
Guess what I’m trying to say is there are ways to lengthen a story without it dragging.
The difference here RE: "Other minds and hands" is that these are minds of metal and wheels, primarily concerned with turning the brand recognition into profit. The Hobbit was such an appalling debacle, thinking this will be anything better is folly.
Too much money is in play.
I think we're overthinking perfection. They'll get some usual makeup and post production will do... post production, and their age will be noticeable but acceptable. I don't really care if gandalf has some extra wrinkles, Aragorn looks more rugged, or if Legolas aged a bit... CGi faces are distracting, wrinkles aren't.
Eh, never been too bothered by digitally deaged faces, especially in VFX heavy films. I'm already suspending my disbelief, what's a weird face or two more?
Either way it'll still be far better than anything Amazon have done with the franchise imho
Great video!
I'll say this. None of this matters. If Viggo and Sir Ian don't reprise their roles, the movie will be an immense flop. Viggo *is* Aragorn, and Sir Ian *is* Gandalf. Period.
I thought the de-aging in Indiana Jones was great, so yes, the technology is there and no doubt better, but they need Viggo and Sir Ian.
I think this movie can really work if the de aging is successful
"Time is a tide that disobeys and it disobeys me". -David Gilmour
It's been dark days since the Rings of Power was made. This movie will take us back to real Tolkien's Middle Earth.
real Tolkien's Middle Earth only exists in the books in my opinion
How’d you feel about War of Rohirrum (definitely spelt wrong don’t want to look it up)
Season 1 was good, but definitely had problems with the pacing. Season 2 was fantastic.
No, it won't. It's being made by modern Hollywood, the same one that made rings of power. You're huffing both copium and hopium if you think it won't be the rings of power but with gollum.
@@LikeWhyTFhated the movie, horrible writing and horrible main characters. Lovely music and animation though
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but I think it's a terrible, terrible, mistake to recast the old actors. Don't get me wrong, the original films are the greatest films of all time. BUT the cast were perfect for the roles back then, not now they're 25 years older. I can't help feeling we're holding onto something that has already been and gone, rather than striving to do something new and good in its own right.
I agree with you. Can't step into the same river twice
its not impossible… but i sincerely doubt peter jackson will put the love and attention into this project that it actually deserves… we saw that with the hobbit… while not bad films they are simply nowhere near the level of the absolute masterpiece lotr trilogy….
Why not just make a War in the North or Rise of the Witch King trilogy 😢
Or silmarillion, or old age aragorn, or how hobbits fight against saruman
“The Ring Awakens”
“The Last Dunedain”
“The Rise of the Witch King”
What could possibly go wrong? 😅
In Peter Jackson we trust, he will find a way.
The BIGGEST issue is that this movie was already made by LOTR fans into a 30-minute movie, which is about all it should be given the little time Tolkein spent on it. And I thought "The Hobbit" was bloated......2 movies about THIS?! Love the books and the PJ trilogy, but this will be a waste.
Producer Philippa Boyens has confirmed that The Hunt for Gollum is definitely a single movie.
I think they should completely abandon any attempt to de-age. Regardless of its convincingness, it will always hamper and cover the emotions of the actors. Who cares if they look older? It won’t matter for the stand alone film/films.
the actors should play their dad´s in the LOTR "lore" / "story" not the original characters from 26 years ago.
The script for this video sounds suspiciously like it was ai generated. Its like a high-school essay style with bulletpoints, just like how chat gpt does.
The biggest problem is that no one really wants this movie. Personally I think people would care more about what happened after the LOTR. Gimli's cave, the rebuilding of the cities, Aragorn's rule, the work Legolas did in restoring the land and of course Gimli and Legolas sailing away at the end.
I mean better call Saul is an incredible prequel and they just let the actors age 🤷♂️ I’d rather just see older versions than digital de-aging tbh
Don't de-age them, we get used to it after watching the movie for a little while.
Practicly deaging him with facial hair and make up. Dyed hair would enough, Viggo looks very fit and youthful for his age. CGI face replacemant would be far too much, minor touchups to reduce his wrinkles around the eyes would be all that's needed.
Personally, I never got used to older Gandalf and older Legolas in the Hobbit movies. It constantly stood out to me like a sore thumb. And that was over a decade ago now
Dude aragon was a very athletic role , and Virgo is old
no we don't
The major problem will be taking a minor sub-plot and expanding it into a full-length movie. Remember what happened when The Hobbit was turned into a trilogy? Meh. =9[.]9=
"Hobbyist" and amateurs have a much stronger grasp of this tech than professionals. They need to seek them out and most importantly give them the time necessary to polish it just right.
It would be a shame if something was rushed to be released on a certain date, forever condemning it to look like garbage, when if those people were given that extra month, it would look great eternally.
Tbh I'd rather have a slightly wonky, digitally altered version of the original actors than a new cast playing these beloved characters. Viggo will forever be my Aragorn, and Orland forever my Legolas. And Ian as Gandalf, of course.
To me there's absolutely no need for The Hunt For Gollum. There would have been so many possible story seeds in different times in Middle Earth (even years after the time of the original trilogy). A side track of the original trilogy with the old cast? With the Hobbit and all of it's faults and weaknesses in mind I expect a half-a**ed cash grab.
I really Hope they don’t do this. I’d rather them be entirely re cast. Better yet. Choose a much more complete story to adapt. I already think more about how dead and stagnant their eyes and face are gonna look instead of what the movie is even about. It will be a massive distraction. Just don’t do it.
Orlando Bloom aged real well, wow.
I think I would be fine with Aragorn looking a little older than in the LOTR movies, probably preferring it over doing too much digital deaging.
It doesnt happen before the fellowship, it happens during it. And the age change shouldnt matter any more because of the advancement of AI technology. If they cant do the films convincingly with AI and digital technology then they shouldnt bother. They should never ever recast any of the characters under any circumstances
Weta Digital is gonna have to work their asses off to make this work
They NEED to film two different movies back-to-back while they have the cast together. THfG of course, ...and...the reign of King Elessar. Which film would you pay more to see?
I don’t actually understand why they are making this film. We already know what happened and it’s not actually that interesting a part of the story? We know he looked for Gollum, but Gollum had been kidnapped and was being tortured
Take notes, Andy Serkis and Co.!
Now I’m still worried about whether the storyline will actually be good, and more worried that even if it is, it’ll be impossible to do right!
All sorts of things can happen, though, so I’ll hold my judgement until at least casting is complete.
I don't know Legolas looked better in the hobbit then in the original so I'm sure Legolas will look amazing
I don't see any merit in a Hunt for Gollum movie. No stakes, predictable story, lack of action and most of the time only Aragorn and Gollum walking together.
I really wish there would be in the future Smeagol/Gollum movie where we would see more of his backstory and how he becomes Gollum
The only time I’ve seen where I thought chi rewind worked was luke and Leia in star wars buuut those were 2sec scenes. This idea makes me very nervous, love the original cast but it’s time for new series in a different period
I think I would be more happy about just getting ALL of the unused footage of the og trilogy
I think you overestimate how much of that footage is actually worth seeing.
@Ms314159265358979323 i don't overestimate modern hollywood anymore.. film quality would obviously be preferred.. but even just bts of something good is better, than some random bad stuff of something good.. as has been the case with everything but the og trilogy
Those magnetic strips are an easy way to piss off a land lord cos those thing rip the wall apart when you try to take them back off the wall
2:02 you forgot to mention the recent Alien Romulus, they recreated Ian Holm
And he looked like shit
I think there are many other events that took place in Middle Earth that could have been a far better story to tell. They could have gone all the way back to Valinor in the first age. There are lots of events that would make an amazing movie or even a trilogy.
They don't have the rights for the Silmarillion so I rather doubt anything set in that time would be possible.
@helgardkwiatkoski7135 thats too bad, theres a lot of potential there.
I think Aragorn above all other characters communicated with delicate facial expressions. Washing this down with cgi could turn out horrible.
We don't need a hunt for Gollum movie, we definitely don't need Amazon's abomination
At first I was like, Huh?? when they chose that obscure story. But as I thought on it more, it does make a nice bridge between The Hobbit and LOTR, uses a lot of familiar and loved characters, and world builds in preparation for LOTR in ways that people who aren't familiar with the legendarium could find intriguing. But I FULLY agree with you about ROP, and fear this movie made in these times could also sully Tolkien's beautiful world. But with much of the same people on board as in the original film trilogy, I have a bit more faith it won't be as bad as ROP.
You think they’ll bring Saruman back to life? 😅
"Somehow, the Emperor survived..." LOL gosh I sure hope not. ;)
Christopher Lee would have passed away a decade ago when comes June 7th 2025.
Never has "You must be at least 80!" rung so true
Considering how well technology reconstructed young Mark Hamil I'm sure it can handle reconstructing young Viggi, Ian, and Andy and Orlando too. Tho Andy was never really an issue bc he was always cgi anyway 😆
The hunt for youth, amirite?
Welp, in the commentary for LOTR, Andy said he wouldn't reprise his role, except for a Gollum Movie....
Big mistake. They should leave it alone.
Alíen Romulus’ ash is a good example of “deaging” that throws you off a lil bit
I believe that Viggo is the greatest fit for a fictional character ever in movie history. I have read TLotR at least 13 times and to me in my imagination Viggo is Aragorn. I just hope that the new film is done with care and finesse.
I think that Viggo looks amazing for 26 years older. I love the LOTR trilogy so much and i don't think it can ever be replicated. So much worked. The actors, costumes, makeup, lighting, music etc. It was genius. I fear for too much digital interference. Obviously some is needed but i loved the real backgrounds in so much of LOTR. I'm hopeful for this new movie because of who's working on it and who may possibly be in it. I'm excited as i was 26 years ago. I'm Viggos age now that he was in LOTR when it was filmed. Watching these movies brings me back to my 20s when the world felt more magical. I long for that feeling again.
But what I'll miss is the magic of Andrew Lesnie as director of photography. He and Peter Jackson worked brilliantly together and between them created that unique vision of Middle-earth.
@helgardkwiatkoski7135 I agree!
I have a feeling I'm going to be ok with it. I've probably watched the extended LOTR 20 times. I'm happy they're involved, that's all I need from their appearance. Let's hope the story is well done!
Seeking perfection in anything is a fool's errand
Latest Indiana Jones movie did a fantastic job. Technology is definately there now.
We have hit such a deep and punishing bedrock that we arent that picky anymore. Just respect the source material and the theme. Dont need alot of woke stuff, love triangles or nonstop lines of comedy. I have hope but War of the Rohirrim left me in a wretched state
I disagree. I'm extremely picky because of this. Any announcement is met with, "Aw sheet, hier we go agin." Instead of excitement. This movie will have to be exceptional to even get me to consider going to watch it. After ROP War of the Rohirrim was a big no no for me
@ I agree and I misspoke!
There is also the issue of Elrond. Hugo Weaving has said in no uncertain terms that he is DONE and feels he is too old to play Elrond. A Lotr movie would feel strange with no Rivendell or Elrond. If Weaving cannot be coaxed into returning, they will have no choice but to write him out of the story or recast.
I fear the same thing. Imagine being an actor in this day and age and your job being to pretend to be literally someone else but in such a way that you get zero recognition.
Hopefully they will shoot a scene that is set AFTER the Return of the King but for the regular film they will hire a new Aragorn.
It's just not the right story for a new movie.
Would rather see what happened after the original movies. What are the characters up to now ? Aragon still has a kingdom to defend etc ..
Interesting take. I feel you forgot one aspect though. And that is experience/honing of their crafts. Most of the people mentioned have continuously worked their craft and gained more experience. They can bring even more to a movie that will have more interpersonal acting rather than an action oriented one.
I trust PJ and WETA and their teams implicitly. I'm sure they would never have gone ahead with htis project if they didn't have it all sorted out first or were confident they could do so later.
The next movie will be about the little known cousin of Bilbo, Bungo Brandybuck. It will be all about his adventures trying to steal the best pipe weed from farmer Maggots fields. It will be a trilogy. Then they'll make a second trilogy after that.
There are so many issues to get around in both ageing and politics and representation. It's gonna be a miracle if this movie works.