This Is The Best Crash In The World
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Today I'm showing you my personal "best crash in the world" and inviting you to share yours. Of course there can't be an objective "best" crash, ride, or drum sound, but we'll always have preferences that sound the best to us.
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Yup you were right, that was the best crash sound. I’m off
Just bought one of these and now YT recommends this haha. Absolutely in love w it
Nice!
I have an A Zildjian 16" medium thin crash I bought in the early 80's that has been my favorite from then to this day. For me it has the perfect combination of explosiveness, quick decay and overall musicality. That said, your 19" Meinl sounds great! I've heard several Meinl Byzance crash cymbals lately that have really impressed me. I've always leaned toward Zildjian and Sabian but I am seriously considering adding a Meinl crash to my kit
An upgraded sound would be:
HHX Legacy Crash 18” 🥇✨🇬🇧
I like the medium thin traditional crash a little more than the sand…I have a byzance 20” extra thin hammered crash that sounds pretty similar to your medium thin and to my ears it’s definitely the perfect sounding crash imo…this video might have convinced me to get that same crash to go with my 20”
very interesting topic. As a relatively new drummer, during lockdown in 2020 I played drums a lot by myself, and got drawn to darker cymbals as they felt good near-field and worked in that simple context. As I then joined bands and played gigs in a mix of venues, I started to realise I needed brighter, more cutting cymbals in those rooms, in those more dense mixes. But hehe, my ears, near-field behind the kit initially hated the brighter cymbals! I took a lot of self convincing, recording myself far-field to tell myself that I needed to change my preference. This is still a thing, those early preferences are deeply stuck in me, and I have to sometimes still force myself to take a bright pair of hats to a pub gig because there are not microphones and the room is large.
Nothing better than finding that one perfect piece of gear.
For me, it's gotta' be the Byzance 18" Dual crash. Thin as hell, immediate, and with such a fast decay. It explodes as soon as you hit it, and then, before you know it, it's gone. These characteristics work together to make it the most articulate crash I have ever played. I didn't even know that's what I wanted out of a crash before I had experienced it. Now I can't imagine going back.
Big shout out to the vintage, extra dry thin, and extra thin hammered crashes too, though. All beautiful as well.
I couldn’t agree more! The whole Byzance Dual line in general is incredible in my opinion. They can be used for anything!
Ive played The 16” med thin for 10 years in many different styles of bands, including Blues, rock, Metal and even pop electro. To me it was my “Can’t go wrong accent crash” Above the hi hat. it matches perfectly with the 19” on the right. Together they can be so musical and expressive it’s impossible for me to look past them. Amazing series of cymbals 🤪
To me, the Meinl Byzance 20” Sand Thin Crash is the perfect crash. It’s everything I’ve ever wanted from a crash cymbal!
Those are beautiful!
That's a beauty for sure. I've come to find for me, that I'm drawn to a certain range in gram-weight for crashes, ...most of what I'd consider my 'sweet spot' is between 1500-1700 grams. And just like this 19 in this video, that crash between bright and dark works best, that 'whoo-EEeshhhh', amost starts dark, but opens up on a higher note.
The Sabian Artisan 22" and the Paiste masters 22" swish are for me, the best sounding cymbals❤
I’m new to the world of Meinl cymbals, so the jury’s still out on my preference there. My absolute favorite right now is the 19” Sabian HHX complex thin crash. Perfect mix of shimmer, dryness, and depth. That Meinl is definitely on my radar now.
Nice! That Sabian is a beautiful crash as well.
@@ColeParamore yeah…it just takes a little longer to bloom. Not as immediate as the Meinl. That’s what I’m telling myself to convince myself that I need it haha.
In my opinion, Paiste Signature 18 fast crash is the best cymbal.
Classic!
When I think of crash in my mind, I think about Zildjian A custom. My preference.
I've got a few, if I want a small & clear sound it's a 17" K Dark Crash Medium-Thin (from early 90s), but big; a double hit on both a 20" Crash of Doom and 22" K Custom Special Dry at the time is amazing.
Yes. This cymbal is a bad ass keeper.
Very interesting how similar those two sounded. I guess you can just use the Sand crash when you need a slightly shorter decay.
My Sabian 15'' AAX Stage Hats have been hard to switch out because they instantly became my default sound. Still searching for the perfect crash and ride cymbals
Can't beat a good pair of 15s!
Hey Jim how did you get a pair of 15" AAX Stage hats?
They weren't a stock size.
I special ordered a pair of 15" AAX Stage hats myself a long time ago, and this is the only instance of another pair I've come across.
I don't have them anymore, as I moved up to 16s, but I used them with a 21" AAX RBDR and 18" & 19" AAXplosions.
I also used the top Stage hat as a bottom under an HHX Studio crash with a 21" HHX Groove ride and 18" HHXplosion.
@@dww0902 Hey man, I was looking at ordering a pair through the Sabian custom shop because I thought they would be awesome and I had a set of 14'' stage hats previously. Then I just happened to find a set at my local drum shop. Very lucky find
Good choice for hats. Glad you could accord a set. lol. My fav ride is either the 20 or 22 Custam A ping ride. I like definition and not alot of "wash" in my ride. They don't make them any more but a Zildjian custom A rock crash was always my fav crash cymbal. regret ever selling it since it isn't made anymore. Other than Zildjian A, I really like the Soultone line of cymbals, if ya can afford them. They have some really musical cymbals I think
I really appreciate your video here, on this 19”. I’m looking for a new 19” and have narrowed my search to this cymbal and the Meinl Polyphonic 19”. Your cymbal videos are helping. Thank you.
Happy to help! Glad the info is useful to folks.
Hello Cole. Have you played the Meinl Polyphonic 19”?
@@hedrickrunner I haven't. Let me know what you think if you try one!
The Byzance has longer sustain. Very nice.
I love SABIAN's AAX X-Plosion Series crash cymbals. Look how the company started and took off under Bob Zildjian, yes the same name and relation to 400 years of technology and know how!
I HAD THE HARDEST time getting crash OR ANY cymbals that I really love....I play Meinl and Paiste.....great and TRUE video
Maybe try Zildjian, budget Turkish brands (Zultan, Masterwork, "Turkish", etc.), maybe a more upmarket Turkish brand like Istanbul, or vintage stuff it's usually cheaper.
@@xyanide1986 yes indeed....I now have Zildjian S Series cymbals....I love the look and the sound
Pretty good of you, but let’s face it you are sponsored to speak positively of that company. You’re a Brand ambassador. so it’s not a fair comparison, for us but it does sound nice
Are you saying you think I'm a Meinl endorser?
@@ColeParamorei assumed so by the way you were talking. If not then I apologise for assuming incorrectly.
Either way, I’ll give you 10/10 for replying to my comment within 9 minutes !
@@GR8UKGB if Meinl wants to start paying me to speak positively about them I’m here for it!
I’ve been following you on RUclips since those two tasteful solo videos a while back. When it comes to cymbals I never choke them. I never use top felts. In my opinion crashes should be either buttery or bright and cutting. My 15in & 17in thin A customs & 18in Z medium crashes do everything. And my Zildjian 13in K/Z hats, I bought in 1991 sound great in any situation. Best of luck to you in all your future endeavors. 🥁🤙🏼
Much appreciated Bobby!
I have been drumming for just over a year, and it probably sounds dumb, but i have a 14" zyldian zbt crash i ADORE! I really like its quick higher pitch. To me, it gives the sound of a crash/splash combo that fits in great with a standard crash run or effects cymbal run. I also like using it in the case of a song ending with no crescendo.
Love it! If it works, it works.
Meinl makes some really really great cymbals! But its all to the players ears! my ho to is the HHX Xtreme 18" .. Just dark and beautiful!
Great video! They really were close!
Nice! My favorite Sabians at the moment would have to be the HHX Complexs but the Xtremes are killer too. Thanks for watching!
Yes yes loved the Byzance crash so much
Works for me, and is perfect for my new tune...thanks!
Ask any drummer to hit his crash, and I guarantee you they will give you the crash...AND kick.
Are you sampling it?
I did. But I will replace it with another if you want me to.@@ColeParamore
Nice, to me a crash sound would be a pure alloy 18"
Meinle cymbals are well made, and alot of people seem to like them. I don't because Meinle cymbals kinda sit in the background, and tend to "blend" with the drums. They don't jump out at you and grab ya like a Zildjian custom A, or even more so a Sabian AAX would. My favorite, and played them since the 80's are the Zildjian A's, though I do have a few K cymbals, and a few Sabian now.
Excellent resonance, but my top loader is my 19" Paiste Twenty Custom.
There's something about 19s!
The first one you showed has a higher pitch and longer decay.
Every time I hear the Meinl Traditionals out of a line up, others sound good or great or nice, but the Traditionals just sound extremely satisfying. Like "good job, that's exactly what I wanted".
How is the durability of the Meinl Byzance Traditional Med Thins? I had an 18 K Series Dark Medium Thin Crash that I probably bought in 2008, and it just only cracked. I used to be dumber about stick technique and backed off the cymbals a bit and swipe more, but have always been more into heavier drumming, so 15+ years is amazing ROI on a crash. I was thinking of hunting for a Meinl Trad 19 Med Thin crash, but I just want to make sure it's not going to break my heart and crack in 4-5 years.
Zildjian custom dark
16/17/18
Probably you haven't played Amedia vintage 19" crash...
Meinl Byzance ❤
It's definitifely a good sounding crash, but best in the world...
I do think however that larger, traditional made, medium-thin or thin crashes like yours are the bomb.They have a lot of low-end, darkness, complexity and musicality in them whilst also opening up enough to if they are thin enough. Thick, large crashes need to much volume to open up imho.
"Best in the world" is explained in the first 15ish seconds in the video. Thanks for watching!
Awesome info!! What would you recommend for a good crash/ride cymbal (ride cymbal I can also crash on)? I play a lot of country rock and would use the crash/ride for some good wash. Looking forward to your thoughts. Thanks!!
Tons of options out there for you - totally depends on your taste and what cymbals you're pairing them with. What's your current setup like?
@@ColeParamore I've got a 18" zildjian K medium dark crash, and a 19" zildjian A medium thin crash. I kind of want something dark but will still work with what I already have for crashes. Thanks.
@@wesstaff2493 Ever looked into the K Sweet line?
@@ColeParamore I haven't
My favorite cymbal setup.:: 10"k custom splash,17" and 19" k thin dark crashes,20" k custom med. Ride.22 " paiste masters swish,14" and 16" paiste pst Swiss thin crashes,15" k light hats,and 13-1/4 k hybrid remote hats.For some reason,they just work really well for my taste in great sounding cymbals.
Yes sir.
Very nice crash sound. 👍 One of my favorites to date is the Paiste 20” Traditionals Thin Crash.
Awesome video. Love the sound of that crash, and the hats! What hats are you using? Thanks!
That is a 16" Byzance Extra Dry Thin crash on top of a 16" Traditional Medium Thin crash. Thanks for the kind words!
In your description it says "traditional thin". In the video it says "medium thin".
“Traditional” is the line within the Byzance series. Same as Vintage, Dark, Jazz, etc. But you’re correct that there is no “Thin” crash here.
I only source my crash cymbals from car accidents
Yeah, i thought i had the best crashes out there, Sabian HHX Evolution 16 and 18...
I’ve been thru a lot of cymbals. Including the one in this video. But yea, 18” evo is the best of the best that I’ve found
Need a full compliment of Paiste RUDEs.
🙃
Did you hit the kick at the same time? I understand that this is almost a reflex-most crash hits do have a simul kick hit in actual music. It's kind of a cliché, and if done all the time is pretty boring.
But this is supposedly a demonstration of the sound of a cym, isn't it? That means the sound of the crash is not really the sound of the crash in your demonstration. It's the sound of both. That makes it difficult to judge the inherent low end of this cym.
A spectrum analyzer reveals peaks at 40 and 120. Crash cyms typically don't have peaks below about 230 or so. This means the sound demonstrated likely also has a beater click in it.
Has anyone ever genuinely found the perfect ride? I’ll wait. That med thin is really nice. I can’t seem to get the Zildjian koolaid out of my bloodstream 😂🙏🏻🤟
Yes after going through about 15 or so different rides, all but one cymbal is meinl and that is my Zildjian Constantinople 22” medium thin low ride. Thats the sound, stick definition that rides just over the wash, the wash doesn’t grow out of control, it has a shelf. And final a glorious crash. It has a bit of shimmer over a bit darker and slightly trashy decay that tapers off at just the right rate.
Zildjian 24 inch light ride is the perfect ride to me in sound. Every way you hit it sound good killer
The only thing I would change which has more to do with the feel of the cymbal rather than sound is a bigger bell
Depends on what you play and how willing you are to buy different rides. Currently, the ones I use the most are the 20” k ride and a 22” HH Todd sucherman sig ride. If it’s a jazz thing, then Istanbul 30th anniversary 20” med ride hands down.
I tend to prefer Zildjian for all purpose, Sabian for heavy stuff and the Istanbul cymbals I have just for jazz
Don't know about it being perfect, but I'm very happy with my Paiste 900 Series 22" heavy ride. The bell pitch and resonance is close to exactly what I'm looking for in terms of sonic abrasiveness.
I guess that’s what paramore uses
What is your ride cymbal
In this video? I don't think I actually play it at all but it's a 22" Byzance Big Apple Dark Ride.
What about Mb20?
Byzance what? There are 10 different Byzance lines. Can you elaborate which line it is?
Hi Scott, check the description. Thanks for watching!
Meinls are the most musical sounding cymbals❤🥁❤️
@fartpooboxohyeah8611news flash, music is just sound 🤯
I’m sure in the last two years, SOMEONE has produced a “better crash in the world”…. Sooo, why don’t you, oh idk.., give me that one..??..😉😉🤗
I've looked diligently every day and have yet to find it!
I understand, for long time it was a 17” late 50’s A Zildjian that was it for me. Then I randomly bought (ONLINE withOUT hearing it!!) a 17” mehmet paper thin that only weighs 1063g. It took the crown & I let the other go to a friend.
Honestly, I can understand not wanting to let go of your fave OR second fave. Cause I still regret letting go of that 17” A. 😩😭.
But if you are ever so inclined you just remember that guy on your comments that was pan-handling for your Byzance!! 😅👍😅
So what you're really saying is, "this is the best alloy for crash cymbals that I've ever heard and used".
And yes, Meinl has come a long way since the 1990's. As they should. The only problem I have with them is that they can be competitive against existing offerings in their CC and CCD lines, but they completely jump the shark on their Pure Alloy and Pure Alloy Custom lines by pricing those cymbals at the same price point as the Paiste 2002 and even some of the Signature models. They're going to lose that fight 9 out of 10 times or greater when you factor in the Paiste build model for cymbal consistency.
Not exactly. Alloy is one piece of the puzzle, but very much only a piece. In the case of this particular crash, it's the alloy, manufacturing, and unique variables that created this exact cymbal. But what I'm REALLY discussing is the uniqueness of cymbals and how we can gravitate towards different sounds.
@@ColeParamore Fair enough.
I DO NOT agree 100 percent. The best Crash Cymbal selection depends on what type of Music GENRE you play !
If the genre is Blues or Jazz, I prefer the Crash Cymbal to be a Zildjian K-Series.
If the genre is Hard Rock, Metal or Heavy Metal, i prefer the Sabian AAX and HHX series also available options are the Zildjian ZBT and TURKISH RAW and APEX series.
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20 extra dry
That one's a beast!
Cymbals that sound good for YT drummers but never in bands. Yawn
😂 A traditional crash? Seriously? That's about as standard issue as cymbals get.
Hm
Neither of those have much sustain.
Go with the 2002 22 inch
I DO NOT agree 100 percent. The best Crash Cymbal selection depends on what type of Music GENRE you play !
If the genre is Blues or Jazz, I prefer the Crash Cymbal to be a Zildjian K-Series.
If the genre is Hard Rock, Metal or Heavy Metal, i prefer the Sabian AAX and HHX series also available options are the Zildjian ZBT and TURKISH RAW and APEX series.
Hey Bilboy, thanks for chiming in. I totally agree that cymbal choice is, largely, context-dependent. Despite the somewhat clickbait-y title, you'll notice that within the first few seconds I explain why I don't literally believe this to be objectively the best crash in the world. Hope that makes sense!