I still remember the anecdote from the creators of the show when they made X-23. They had a meeting with the writers of the comic at the time to discuss their idea for the character and the writers stared at them and said 'we've been trying to do the same thing for about a year now'.
This is one of the few X men adaptations that treated Scott Summers and Jean Grey with respect. One of the few X men properties that depicted Cyclops as a capable badass leader and didn't portray him as just an asshole or emasculate him to make Wolverine look cooler. And its the only X men show that portrayed Jean Grey as an actual character with a personality and interest instead of just a plot device to drive out Scott and Logan's rivalry.
It does have one of my favourite Cyclops moments ever; when fleeing a military base he traps Mystique behind a door and threatens to leave her there if she doesn’t talk about what she’s done with Xavier. She laughs and calls his bluff… …except he is very much not bluffing and leaves her there. Ultimatum delivered, ultimatum followed through. Calculating and pragmatic without veering into jerkass like some recent Cylops portrayals
I like how this series portrays Rogue. For one, they don't give her the flight and strength because the power absorbing is an interesting power all on its own. And I like that she first starts out joining the Brotherhood.
I like Rogue in Evolution just as equally as I like Rogue from the 90s animated show They are literally neck and neck in being the best adaptations of the character
Surprisingly enough this iteration of the X-Men utilizes a lot of niche concepts from the X-Men comics. For the longest time I thought Nightcrawler's image inducer was something this show came up with. But it was introduced in the comics in 1975.
Yo rbg! how are you doing man, i never thought I'd find you here. Interesting, i never knew the image inducer was something that originated from the comics, i always thought it was an original creation made specifically for this show, just like X-23.
Agree this is the best version of Jean and Scott (especially Scott). I think their ages really helped because 1. Being the oldest kids, we get to see them act as leaders even with Xavier present, 2. Wolverine being an adult means no stupid love triangle raking up half their character arcs (Yes, they have other love interests, but it doesn't eat up nearly as much of their personalities as other adaptations)
@@ShadowSonic2Though the sad part is that had the show continued, the triangle would have been solved by killing off Jean at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga. Something that would have split up the X-Men for several years until the threat of Apocalypse returns, then they would defeat him once and for all with the help of the Eternals.
@@vetarlittorf1807You know, just because there were such ideas, it doesn't mean they would realize them or that it would be how the show would end. Jean was the absolute main character in this show, and a great one at that. It's always risky to kill off the main character, especially if that's a 'kids' show.' It would most probably jeopardize possible later seasons, and they would probably realize that. Honestly, this idea just feels weird because they wrote Jean's character in a way that she would leave a huge hole after her departure. Not only was she an endearing main character, but the show was very consistent in showing that she was Scott's only love and hyping their relationship. Hearing how they apparently wanted to get Scott and Rogue together at some point seems illogical because they put extra effort into showing that she was always friendzoned, and what's more, they introduced Gambit, which played out as a great arc for Rogue, symbolizing her growing out of what was troubling her before. It actually makes me think that what you're saying was some sort of 'original' plan, since they wanted to hype Rogue as a main character while Jean wasn't very popular at the time. It would make sense that they originally wanted to make Jean leave the cast at some point since they didn't plan for her to be that much of a liked character. But the final show completely changed it, focusing a lot on Jean and seemingly going in a different direction with those characters than initially planned. Showing a Dark Phoenix saga doesn't mean that she couldn't be revived later, as it usually happens. So I wouldn't treat it very seriously. There's no need to overthink what didn't happen.
This is my favourite version of Charles as he doesn’t seem too old and actually feels like father to the main cast whereas in the movies he felt more like a grandpa And in the 90s animated series he was pretty unlikeable at times and felt cold
Now this is the X-Men I grew up with, so many of my favorite versions of these characters, and interesting stories. Definitely an underrated and awesome X-Men incarnation
I like cauldron since the 90’s cartoon did introduce havoc but never addressed that him and cyclops are brothers and they share a scene in cold comfort and they never say anything about being brothers. If not for this episode I wouldn’t have known that they were brothers
I remembered when Erod initially dismissed XME as a disney channel/teenager pandering type of show early in his career, even at one point blaming Twilight for inspiring Rogue's Goth look. Glad to see hom giving it a chance after all these years.
most people his and my age dismissed this show, but man its a reeeeeeeeeeeeeal good show and if erod is a true blue comic fan, he would love this show if he gave it a real chance!
I also not a fan of Season 1 finale. I feel that episode could have been better if they had go with Mr Sinister as the villain instead of Magneto, since doing experiments with mutants is more his thing than Erik, plus he and Scott have a backstory in the comics which, if adapted, could tie with the sub plot involving Scott finding his lost brother. However, I don't see Magneto kidnapping mutants being out of character since what makes Magneto such a complex villain is that, while his goals are noble, his methods, the limits he's willing to cross to keep mutantkind "safe" and his ideology of mutant supremacy ultimately turns Magneto into the same monster that took his family from him.
Thought the first season was a bit rough around the edges but I gotta say from the second season onwards it really picked up. The way they built up to Apocalypse and had him actually kinda live up to that hype was pretty well done
True but I’m okay with the rough first season as it was mostly about building the dynamics between our lead characters and establishing a status quo for half of it.
Glad you changed your mind on this show. I think the writers wanted to show how Magneto was slowly becoming the thing he hates & that is why he did the things he did. Not saying it's ideal but I can see why he did it the s1 finale.
Like all X-Men shows, Evolution is simply amazing and pushed the franchise forward out of love for what came before and in creating something new to add.
one could say of the ending of season one, that magneto emulating the nazis and their ideology either intentionally or accidentally is something of a running theme with him, and his greatest tragedy. He has often become authoritarian if not a fasest in his own right if left to his own devises, leading him to become the thing he hates. Those that stare to long into the abyss may find the abyss staring back at them.
I heard that Mr. Sinister would have been the next threat, but I would like to see other X-Men characters, like Deadpool, Emma Frost, Firestar, Mojo, Ka-Zar, Shanna, Zabu, Sauron, Cable, Psylock, Moira MacTaggert, the Shadow King and the Friends of Humanity.
Honestly THIS is the X-Men cartoon I watched the most as a kid (well... teen anyway) that really got me into the characters as I think I was either a bit too young for the 90's show or never watched it at the right time to get into the plotlines. Again I do feel though you should like repost up your old "not available anywhere" old honest reviews like the one you did of the 90's show on your patreon. Like it'd be a good way to have more content up without having to do any more work... unless like you can't anymore cause it'd be content IDed or some crap which I'd understand but hope that wouldn't be the case with them.
X-Men Evolution is a reimagined love letter while the 90s cartoon focused on being more faithful to the comics. All X-Men cartoons, outside of the failed TV pilot "Pryde of the X-Men", are great. I feel honored to say that I grew up with three X-Men cartoons that never let me down throughout my life. They helped me find myself as a nerd and taught me how to gain confidence. I look forward to X-Men 97 in 2024. I have a feeling that this show is going to wipe its ass with Marvel's woke agenda upon release. And if it does it'll steer Marvel in the right direction, and we could very well have quality Marvel entertainment again. X-Men forever!
Weirdly enough what you point out about Magnetos' Asteroid M plan is something Magneto doesn't realize for himself. He's doing the same thing to others that was done to him.
I loved x-men evolution it was really awesome show and really badass in my opinion, also this show introduce my favorite character x-23 aka Laura Kenny who is really awesome and tons of fun in my opinion.
Something I want to bring up from another channel that covered this show is that the name X-men evolution is such a fitting name as we see these characters evolve from teenagers into the X-men we more associate with them
i remember erod mentioned he thought this show was real dumb when he first mentioned it during a review on marvel cartoons maybe close to 10 years ago. i hoped he gave it an actual chance this time around and found the pure genius writing in it. personally i grew up on the fox kids 90s x-men cartoon, but this one is better, honestly. even doug walker loves this show after finding it dumb at first!
Excellent video! I grew up with this show and really enjoyed it. I agree it has the best Scott and Jean. I agree that we've never had a bad X-men cartoon series. I may go back and rewatch it after I finish X-men TAS.
Have to say, I'm surprised that Evolution Magneto is your favorite portrayal of him. I thought he was rather cartoonishly evil at points (Abandoning then brainwashing Wanda, making mutants fight eachother for supremacy, inciting mutant hatred, performing mad science experiments on baby Kurt, brainwashing mutants, etc) and lacked a lot of his usual depth to be a generic bad guy
That's simply not true. His intentions were never malicious. We even see the difference between him and Apocalypse. That being that Magneto wants mutants to live in a universal brotherhood and enjoy freedom while Apocalypse wants to kill everyone whom he deems unworthy and rule the world as a god-king. Also, had the show continued, we would have seen Magneto eventually become a good guy.
The crew has stated if they had a fifth season like what do the Phoenix arc and would’ve had Scott and rogue end up as a couple. They also wanted to show Professor X meeting magneto and losing his legs because they don’t like the comics version. But there’s one character I wish they had included Polaris mostly to show how magneto traded his three kids in different way, and have her basically be a loving, spoiled, sweet kind of girl, and the best way to show. It is her to use her magnetic powers on her siblings, building it up as their dad doing something terrible, but then calls her siblings two adorable nicknames
You know, I can't really take the idea of Jean dying and Scott ending up with Rogue seriously. It kind of feels like the original plan they had, since I know Jean wasn't popular at the time and they were very hyped about making Rogue more of an "it" girl instead of her. But the final show turned out differently. They had to be reminded to give Jean enough screen time and development - and they did, resulting in her becoming an endearing main character who would leave a huge hole after her departure. It's an easy way to jeopardize any possible later seasons that they must have realized at some point. Also, the show was super consistent in hyping Scott and Jean's relationship, repeatedly showing that he didn't see Rogue that way. What's more, they introduced Gambit in a pretty wholesome way. This was actually important for Rogue's arc, as she was not only growing out of her traumas and insecurities but also moving on from her unrequited love. Throwing ALL of this away feels very forced and thoughtless, and kind of feels like a regression for the characters.
@ I think it depends on when Jean died after all, they never stated at what point she would’ve died in that season I can totally believe that if rogue ends up with Scott, they would’ve depicted it as something similar to what they did with Emma Frost in Wolverine in the X-Men, you know helping someone who lost a loved one find love again
@@ajerjavec4723Well, I get that, but I mean that this show was pretty great with its continuity and certain arcs developing properly throughout all the seasons. So while I'd love to see the Phoenix saga, if they wanted to kill her off (which I'm not a fan of), it had to be at the end-to serve as a resolution to the series, not an earthquake after which the show would try to continue. And the whole idea of Scott and Rogue ending up together just feels out of place to me. Honestly, I think all the 'they would have done this or that' rumors should be taken with a grain of salt. Actually, I watched an interview with the director of the show, and when asked about the plans for the next season, he answered that most of the time the actual storyboard only gets focused on when the current season is ending. They got informed in the middle of the season that the show will be caancelled and they focused on resolving the started arcs- and part of Rogue's resolution was establishing her relationship with Gambit. So while some writers might have exchanged loose ideas for the next seasons, there rather wasn't any consolidated consensus. Apparently, the whole Scott and Rogue thing was something that wasn't really planned, but at some point, they realized that 'she has some feelings for him,' and Boyd Kirkland liked it, so they decided to showcase her having those (unrequited) feelings. It seems like maybe Kirkland had this idea in the back of his mind when asked about it later, but it doesn't mean it was agreed upon with other writers, with the execs, or put in any official scenario. He also mentioned how, for example, it became a rumor that Emma and Psylocke were officially planned to appear in the next season-apparently, it wasn't true; he just made some concept art for them in the style of the cast as a commission from a fan. And then the 'they were gonna be included in season 5' started living its own life.
@ I get that but it’s possible that the Phoenix force is changing Jean making her act more like a jerk for example basically the idea is that that causes Scott to take a break until they know what’s happening to her and she can get the help she requires and rogue decides to just be a good friend to Scott and if they do end on Jean death it would feel like them getting together would feel aren’t
I liked how storm was portrayed on this show. She was caring and a mother figure. Also, I thought she was pretty well balanced too. Like she was overly powerful however if she would do something it felt powerful.
I thought this show was so cool. Loved when they brought Gambit in, though it was super late in the series.(to me anyway, LOVE Gambit) I honestly wouldn't mind a numerous part series with you talking about this show. Just to make sure you cover EVERYTHING. lol. And... I think I'm the minority that actually likes Boom Boom.
Honestly I love the show granted Wolverine in the X-Men I loved a lot more but I'm just happy that I grew up watching two X-Men shows that in itself is amazing and plus this show helped me when I was starting physical therapy with my whole surgery with my feet long story short I was born with extra toes had them removed at age 9 and it led to me being stuck in a bed for like 6 months and because of that I watched everything on Cartoon Network and I mean everything so the show holds a deer in my heart
I'm thinking you missed the female cop telling the girls to knock it off was Mystique who either 1) let them go because of "girl power" and didn't want to hurt them or 2) she didn't want them to be more exposed at that point. Could be a little of both because she was still doing surveillance on them.
In the X-Men comics, Jean Grey HATED her code name (Marvel Girl) which is why they only call her by her real name. Also, X-Men Evolution had to come in during a time where Kids WB was dominated by Anime (Poke'mon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Cardcaptor Sakura) with some DC shows sprinkled in (The new Batman/Superman adventures, Batman Beyond, Static Shock, and Teen Titans)
There's two characters you forgot to mention that joins the cast later on and that's beast and iceman they start becoming integral parts around season 3 of the series. And I will agree I want to say Ororo Monroe is Milk toats but I think they have to depower her because I wouldn't necessarily call her the token black girl of the X-Men team she's integral part of every X-Men series that's out there It's just that I feel like a lot of the writers are scared to push her because of the fact that she manipulates whether that I think they're afraid of making her look so overpowered that they can't do anything with her and that's such a shame honestly but I wouldn't call the X-Men evolution storm boring though. I will agree like this is from one of the best adaptations of the X-Men and I love the way they can show rogue without her super strength and flight abilities which I thought that was such a plus because the X-Men movies act like they didn't know what to do with the character at all which kind of sucks but X-Men Evolution was like you can do a lot with Rogue and I did enjoy the transformation of Cyclops and Jean Gray into like these leaders of the X-Men and how they didn't push them to the back burner like the movies kind of did you know And I enjoyed the no love triangle or the Phoenix yet which makes sense because she's young I don't think you need that right now and honestly I enjoyed the fact that they gave us an original character with Spike and ex-23 it would be nice to see Spike in the comics though
Man I absolutely loved this show I really wish it would come back. Maybe someday I mean we got the 97s one returning next year so why can’t we get X Men Evolution return. What do you guys think? What’s your favorite characters from the show and what is your favorite ships or relationships from the series?
This show is what made me love Rogue. I all honesty, Rogue is the main character of the series, she's the most fleshed out, I love her chemistry with the other characters especially to Kurt and Mystique. Also, her character design is the most unique (she's the only girl with a cleft chin) among her various iterations.
19:29 that wolvie costume is not necessarily from the Ultimate universe, he wore it in all 3 universe (616, ultimate and animated) cos Marvel pushed for Wolvie to have a similar costume across most mainstream media because of the movie's success
Just a heads up, Arkansas is pronounced close to "R can saw". The way you pronounced it is a common mistake for people who don't live here. Love the video. X-Men Evolution was my introduction to the X-Men as a kid and I watched it every Saturday morning on Kids WB so I loved getting your take on it.
How do you feel what they did to Nightcrawler in the comics recently? They changed his parentage. They made Mystique his father and Destiny his mother. I think they should have left things alone. I like both of his previous parentage better where Mystique is mother and his father is either a Noble man is his father or Azazel is his father. I am someone that likes the relationship Mystique has with Destiny.
@@ShadowSonic2 no the original parentage was that his father is either a nobel man or Azazel which both I am fine with and Mystique is the mother. I hate that that changed it to suit The Message.
@@ShadowSonic2 False. Claremont's original plan for Nightcrawler was to have Nightmare, a Doctor Strange villain and extra-dimensional entity be his father. That parentage was supposed to explain two keys things about Nightcrawler: His appearance and his weird teleportation abilities as the intermediate dimension he would have been going through (like shown in X-Men evolution) was going to be revealed as the Dream Dimension where Nightmare rules over. That was the original idea, that idea was the first to be scrapped and that parentage was supposed to be revealed in the issue where Nightcrawler's backstory was first shown, which, lo and behold, is a Doctor Strange and X-Men Crossover in the 1980's annual. That very issue instead introduced Nightcrawler's adoptive mother, Margali Szardos, who found him as a baby as well as the fact she found him right next to his DYING mother. You can go check this yourself. All of this was revealed through the Eye of Agamotto, which only shows the truth. At the time of that crossover taking place, Nightcrawler's biological mother has been certified dead for 21 years. Only afterwards did we get Mystique and Destiny's introduction into the X-Men plot through Days of Future Past where their stupid actions create a dystopian future with most of mutantkind dead, including Nightcrawler who is one of the first mutants to die after Kelly's assassination. Then 3 years after DoFP, Claremont revealed through elaborate prose Mystique's birth year which would have made her only 30 years old when Nightcrawler was previously stated to be 21. That's a 9 year age gap for what's supposedly an "always intended" parent/child relationship. Claremont then proceeded to retcon his own birth year reveal yet he still had Nightcrawler bring up the fact one of his biological parents was certified dead 4 years after introducing that piece of the puzzle. Claremont also always described Mystique's shapeshifting to be limited and on a cosmetics only level. He himself stated she was a woman in her base form, couldn't change her scent as Sabretooth and Wolverine could still know it was her in any of her disguises and had her struggle to maintain Nick Fury's form for more than few seconds just because he was taller than her. All of those power limitations were still present when Nightcrawler was already a fully grown adult.
I adored this version of storm she was motherly but still held a presence of authority and people still feared her. Also normal nightcrawler was kinda bland this personality injection was a welcomed change
A teenage Storm, and Wolverine would make NO Sense so them being the only adults makes sense. It does suck how Gambit and Colossus were all but sidelines though.
Yeah I greatly prefer the age distributions of these versions of the characters apart from maybe Kitty and Rogue being around the same age as Scott and Jean as in my head there’s a bit of bigger age difference but not too big maybe like 5 years But I prefer Beast, Storm and Angel being older than the rest of the characters and it would just be dumb to have a teenager version of Wolverine I see Beast, Storm and Wolverine as. Charles’ younger peers
I honestly prefer this series over the 90s series. The 90s series just felt too much like a toy commercial. A well made toy commercial, but a commercial nonetheless.
They were young adults. Colossus was 19 when he joined the X-Men and this version could be around there or in his early 20s. Gambit was clearly in his 20s somewhere
I have NOTHING but respect & love for the comics adaptation of The X-Men BUT X-Men Evolution is my favorite cartoon of the team. I mean OMG Rouge in this show IS AWESOME. !! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE when she went around taking EVERYONES powers. !!! Oh & when Scot & Alex used there powers to destroy the remains of Asteroid M WAS BADASS. !!! 😍
It’s not even that bad like it still understands what is important about the X-Men which is the fight for equality Some of the characterisations are just a bit off
@@autobotproductions1244 wasn’t even talking about the accent really but just the characters don’t seem like real people with any motivations or like their comic book counterparts The Australian accent is not correct for Wolverine but it’s not part of his character The thing to complain about Wolverine’s character is that he’s just rude and doesn’t want Kitty around But even Magneto just seems like your over the top 80s villain, Cyclops just feels like a macho 80s action hero and Professor X has no personality At least these are things I remember as ai have seen it in a while
Ayy I loved this show‼️making them different ages and not all the same age was a different take. Wolverine then Gambit was my favorite characters on the show. I see the resemblance to the movies now you pointed that out.
I was a little against watching that cartoon, because Wolverine was not of the main characters. Wolverine is my favourite MARVEL character and X-men. But then I watched, and I have to admit that I was wrong of criticized.
Jubilee is actually in this series, she pops up as one of the students the school has taken on from the second series onwards. She’s really just an extra though, there’s never an episode that focuses on her
Makes me wonder how Marvel will change Magneto once WW2 is too far away for him to believably age normally and have been a survivor. I'm thinking... Khmer Rouge survivor, perhaps? It would explain why he respects Charles's decision to become a school teacher and pursue mutant relations through education, while he himself is too cynical and burned to believe it would ultimately work.
Easy just say that after Eric and his parents were taken to Auschwitz where his parents were killed he was handed over by the Nazis to their science division (Hydra) where he was given a version of the Super Soldier serum or even Redskull’s blood like how Hydra gave Bucky a version of the serum which allowed him to survive his fall This se could allow Magneto to remain more youthful and strong in his old age
@@vetarlittorf1807 Yeah, but then you'd need to devote time in a show to explaining that, as well as for Professor X since they're supposed to be long time friends.
I like this series. I like that we get to see a great portrayal of Kitty Pryde for the first time. This is a good series, just not as good as the X-men animated series.
I still remember the anecdote from the creators of the show when they made X-23. They had a meeting with the writers of the comic at the time to discuss their idea for the character and the writers stared at them and said 'we've been trying to do the same thing for about a year now'.
This is one of the few X men adaptations that treated Scott Summers and Jean Grey with respect. One of the few X men properties that depicted Cyclops as a capable badass leader and didn't portray him as just an asshole or emasculate him to make Wolverine look cooler. And its the only X men show that portrayed Jean Grey as an actual character with a personality and interest instead of just a plot device to drive out Scott and Logan's rivalry.
It does have one of my favourite Cyclops moments ever; when fleeing a military base he traps Mystique behind a door and threatens to leave her there if she doesn’t talk about what she’s done with Xavier. She laughs and calls his bluff…
…except he is very much not bluffing and leaves her there.
Ultimatum delivered, ultimatum followed through. Calculating and pragmatic without veering into jerkass like some recent Cylops portrayals
that's why Disney won't do season 5.
@@darkwolf1202 oh Godly god, How i wish you were right, i WISH that was the reason, but as we can ALL see Its not at least not today
@@darkwolf1202 Well, another problem is that this show was co-produced with WB. That's a big problem
What about the 90s cartoon
Making Rogue into a southern goth was a truly inspired choice that we don't deserve
I like how this series portrays Rogue. For one, they don't give her the flight and strength because the power absorbing is an interesting power all on its own. And I like that she first starts out joining the Brotherhood.
I like Rogue in Evolution just as equally as I like Rogue from the 90s animated show
They are literally neck and neck in being the best adaptations of the character
Totally agree! They’re such wildly different adaptations of the character that somehow both feel genuinely like Rogue
Though personally I’ll always prefer the 90s rogue just a little bit more but I do still like evolution rogue
Surprisingly enough this iteration of the X-Men utilizes a lot of niche concepts from the X-Men comics. For the longest time I thought Nightcrawler's image inducer was something this show came up with. But it was introduced in the comics in 1975.
Yo rbg! how are you doing man, i never thought I'd find you here.
Interesting, i never knew the image inducer was something that originated from the comics, i always thought it was an original creation made specifically for this show, just like X-23.
Agree this is the best version of Jean and Scott (especially Scott). I think their ages really helped because 1. Being the oldest kids, we get to see them act as leaders even with Xavier present, 2. Wolverine being an adult means no stupid love triangle raking up half their character arcs
(Yes, they have other love interests, but it doesn't eat up nearly as much of their personalities as other adaptations)
I liked how the love triangle was between Rogue and Jean over Scott
@@ShadowSonic2Though the sad part is that had the show continued, the triangle would have been solved by killing off Jean at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga. Something that would have split up the X-Men for several years until the threat of Apocalypse returns, then they would defeat him once and for all with the help of the Eternals.
@@vetarlittorf1807You know, just because there were such ideas, it doesn't mean they would realize them or that it would be how the show would end. Jean was the absolute main character in this show, and a great one at that. It's always risky to kill off the main character, especially if that's a 'kids' show.' It would most probably jeopardize possible later seasons, and they would probably realize that.
Honestly, this idea just feels weird because they wrote Jean's character in a way that she would leave a huge hole after her departure. Not only was she an endearing main character, but the show was very consistent in showing that she was Scott's only love and hyping their relationship. Hearing how they apparently wanted to get Scott and Rogue together at some point seems illogical because they put extra effort into showing that she was always friendzoned, and what's more, they introduced Gambit, which played out as a great arc for Rogue, symbolizing her growing out of what was troubling her before.
It actually makes me think that what you're saying was some sort of 'original' plan, since they wanted to hype Rogue as a main character while Jean wasn't very popular at the time. It would make sense that they originally wanted to make Jean leave the cast at some point since they didn't plan for her to be that much of a liked character. But the final show completely changed it, focusing a lot on Jean and seemingly going in a different direction with those characters than initially planned. Showing a Dark Phoenix saga doesn't mean that she couldn't be revived later, as it usually happens.
So I wouldn't treat it very seriously. There's no need to overthink what didn't happen.
still hurts we lost Kirby Morrow a few years back but this show will always remind me of him. godspeed sir
Don't forget Michael Kopsa, Gabe Khouth, and recently Pauline Newstone.
:( man.....just. Man....@@doodlebugfour7070
This is my favourite version of Charles as he doesn’t seem too old and actually feels like father to the main cast whereas in the movies he felt more like a grandpa
And in the 90s animated series he was pretty unlikeable at times and felt cold
This version of Charles was clearly inspired by Patrick Stewart's version, who was very warm and welcoming.
Now this is the X-Men I grew up with, so many of my favorite versions of these characters, and interesting stories. Definitely an underrated and awesome X-Men incarnation
Same
I think this was my first introduction to the X-Men. This show still warms my heart whenever I'm reminded of it
I like cauldron since the 90’s cartoon did introduce havoc but never addressed that him and cyclops are brothers and they share a scene in cold comfort and they never say anything about being brothers. If not for this episode I wouldn’t have known that they were brothers
I remembered when Erod initially dismissed XME as a disney channel/teenager pandering type of show early in his career, even at one point blaming Twilight for inspiring Rogue's Goth look. Glad to see hom giving it a chance after all these years.
most people his and my age dismissed this show, but man its a reeeeeeeeeeeeeal good show and if erod is a true blue comic fan, he would love this show if he gave it a real chance!
How could Twilight inspire Goth Rogue? She was from 2000, years before Twilight
@@ShadowSonic2 erod is a total knucklehead sometimes, you should see the amount of shit he got wrong in his wracraft review
What's an Erod?
@@vetarlittorf1807 the name of the youtuber
I also not a fan of Season 1 finale. I feel that episode could have been better if they had go with Mr Sinister as the villain instead of Magneto, since doing experiments with mutants is more his thing than Erik, plus he and Scott have a backstory in the comics which, if adapted, could tie with the sub plot involving Scott finding his lost brother.
However, I don't see Magneto kidnapping mutants being out of character since what makes Magneto such a complex villain is that, while his goals are noble, his methods, the limits he's willing to cross to keep mutantkind "safe" and his ideology of mutant supremacy ultimately turns Magneto into the same monster that took his family from him.
Thought the first season was a bit rough around the edges but I gotta say from the second season onwards it really picked up. The way they built up to Apocalypse and had him actually kinda live up to that hype was pretty well done
True but I’m okay with the rough first season as it was mostly about building the dynamics between our lead characters and establishing a status quo for half of it.
@@BlueBlazeKingI actually kind of like that the show started off with relatively small stakes.
Glad you changed your mind on this show. I think the writers wanted to show how Magneto was slowly becoming the thing he hates & that is why he did the things he did. Not saying it's ideal but I can see why he did it the s1 finale.
Best version of Mystique ever
Like all X-Men shows, Evolution is simply amazing and pushed the franchise forward out of love for what came before and in creating something new to add.
I like how magneto is voiced by Christopher judge aka kratos from god of war and god of war ragnarok
one could say of the ending of season one, that magneto emulating the nazis and their ideology either intentionally or accidentally is something of a running theme with him, and his greatest tragedy. He has often become authoritarian if not a fasest in his own right if left to his own devises, leading him to become the thing he hates. Those that stare to long into the abyss may find the abyss staring back at them.
That's an interesting take. And a great one.
I heard that Mr. Sinister would have been the next threat, but I would like to see other X-Men characters, like Deadpool, Emma Frost, Firestar, Mojo, Ka-Zar, Shanna, Zabu, Sauron, Cable, Psylock, Moira MacTaggert, the Shadow King and the Friends of Humanity.
I didn’t even know that Jean had a code name. I seem to always forget it soon after learning it.
Honestly THIS is the X-Men cartoon I watched the most as a kid (well... teen anyway) that really got me into the characters as I think I was either a bit too young for the 90's show or never watched it at the right time to get into the plotlines. Again I do feel though you should like repost up your old "not available anywhere" old honest reviews like the one you did of the 90's show on your patreon. Like it'd be a good way to have more content up without having to do any more work... unless like you can't anymore cause it'd be content IDed or some crap which I'd understand but hope that wouldn't be the case with them.
3:53 Fun fact Joss Whedon has claimed that his inspiration for Buffy was Kitty Pryde... I guess what goes around comes around.
X-Men Evolution is a reimagined love letter while the 90s cartoon focused on being more faithful to the comics. All X-Men cartoons, outside of the failed TV pilot "Pryde of the X-Men", are great. I feel honored to say that I grew up with three X-Men cartoons that never let me down throughout my life. They helped me find myself as a nerd and taught me how to gain confidence. I look forward to X-Men 97 in 2024. I have a feeling that this show is going to wipe its ass with Marvel's woke agenda upon release. And if it does it'll steer Marvel in the right direction, and we could very well have quality Marvel entertainment again. X-Men forever!
Weirdly enough what you point out about Magnetos' Asteroid M plan is something Magneto doesn't realize for himself. He's doing the same thing to others that was done to him.
well he is the villain a lot of people forget that
I loved x-men evolution it was really awesome show and really badass in my opinion, also this show introduce my favorite character x-23 aka Laura Kenny who is really awesome and tons of fun in my opinion.
Something I want to bring up from another channel that covered this show is that the name X-men evolution is such a fitting name as we see these characters evolve from teenagers into the X-men we more associate with them
The first voice of X-23 in this series would later go on to voice, get this, Fluttershy in My Little Pony. That's hilarious.
i remember erod mentioned he thought this show was real dumb when he first mentioned it during a review on marvel cartoons maybe close to 10 years ago. i hoped he gave it an actual chance this time around and found the pure genius writing in it. personally i grew up on the fox kids 90s x-men cartoon, but this one is better, honestly. even doug walker loves this show after finding it dumb at first!
Excellent video! I grew up with this show and really enjoyed it. I agree it has the best Scott and Jean. I agree that we've never had a bad X-men cartoon series. I may go back and rewatch it after I finish X-men TAS.
Have to say, I'm surprised that Evolution Magneto is your favorite portrayal of him. I thought he was rather cartoonishly evil at points (Abandoning then brainwashing Wanda, making mutants fight eachother for supremacy, inciting mutant hatred, performing mad science experiments on baby Kurt, brainwashing mutants, etc) and lacked a lot of his usual depth to be a generic bad guy
That's simply not true. His intentions were never malicious. We even see the difference between him and Apocalypse. That being that Magneto wants mutants to live in a universal brotherhood and enjoy freedom while Apocalypse wants to kill everyone whom he deems unworthy and rule the world as a god-king.
Also, had the show continued, we would have seen Magneto eventually become a good guy.
The crew has stated if they had a fifth season like what do the Phoenix arc and would’ve had Scott and rogue end up as a couple. They also wanted to show Professor X meeting magneto and losing his legs because they don’t like the comics version. But there’s one character I wish they had included Polaris mostly to show how magneto traded his three kids in different way, and have her basically be a loving, spoiled, sweet kind of girl, and the best way to show. It is her to use her magnetic powers on her siblings, building it up as their dad doing something terrible, but then calls her siblings two adorable nicknames
You know, I can't really take the idea of Jean dying and Scott ending up with Rogue seriously. It kind of feels like the original plan they had, since I know Jean wasn't popular at the time and they were very hyped about making Rogue more of an "it" girl instead of her. But the final show turned out differently. They had to be reminded to give Jean enough screen time and development - and they did, resulting in her becoming an endearing main character who would leave a huge hole after her departure. It's an easy way to jeopardize any possible later seasons that they must have realized at some point.
Also, the show was super consistent in hyping Scott and Jean's relationship, repeatedly showing that he didn't see Rogue that way. What's more, they introduced Gambit in a pretty wholesome way. This was actually important for Rogue's arc, as she was not only growing out of her traumas and insecurities but also moving on from her unrequited love. Throwing ALL of this away feels very forced and thoughtless, and kind of feels like a regression for the characters.
@ I think it depends on when Jean died after all, they never stated at what point she would’ve died in that season I can totally believe that if rogue ends up with Scott, they would’ve depicted it as something similar to what they did with Emma Frost in Wolverine in the X-Men, you know helping someone who lost a loved one find love again
@@ajerjavec4723Well, I get that, but I mean that this show was pretty great with its continuity and certain arcs developing properly throughout all the seasons. So while I'd love to see the Phoenix saga, if they wanted to kill her off (which I'm not a fan of), it had to be at the end-to serve as a resolution to the series, not an earthquake after which the show would try to continue. And the whole idea of Scott and Rogue ending up together just feels out of place to me.
Honestly, I think all the 'they would have done this or that' rumors should be taken with a grain of salt. Actually, I watched an interview with the director of the show, and when asked about the plans for the next season, he answered that most of the time the actual storyboard only gets focused on when the current season is ending. They got informed in the middle of the season that the show will be caancelled and they focused on resolving the started arcs- and part of Rogue's resolution was establishing her relationship with Gambit.
So while some writers might have exchanged loose ideas for the next seasons, there rather wasn't any consolidated consensus. Apparently, the whole Scott and Rogue thing was something that wasn't really planned, but at some point, they realized that 'she has some feelings for him,' and Boyd Kirkland liked it, so they decided to showcase her having those (unrequited) feelings. It seems like maybe Kirkland had this idea in the back of his mind when asked about it later, but it doesn't mean it was agreed upon with other writers, with the execs, or put in any official scenario.
He also mentioned how, for example, it became a rumor that Emma and Psylocke were officially planned to appear in the next season-apparently, it wasn't true; he just made some concept art for them in the style of the cast as a commission from a fan. And then the 'they were gonna be included in season 5' started living its own life.
@ I get that but it’s possible that the Phoenix force is changing Jean making her act more like a jerk for example basically the idea is that that causes Scott to take a break until they know what’s happening to her and she can get the help she requires and rogue decides to just be a good friend to Scott and if they do end on Jean death it would feel like them getting together would feel aren’t
I liked how storm was portrayed on this show. She was caring and a mother figure. Also, I thought she was pretty well balanced too. Like she was overly powerful however if she would do something it felt powerful.
I thought this show was so cool. Loved when they brought Gambit in, though it was super late in the series.(to me anyway, LOVE Gambit) I honestly wouldn't mind a numerous part series with you talking about this show. Just to make sure you cover EVERYTHING. lol. And... I think I'm the minority that actually likes Boom Boom.
There apocalypse was so epic and great I loved the story. Why they couldn’t think of something as cool for the movie is beyond me
I remember Erod on the past saying he wasn't a fan of this show so I'm glad his covering this and came around to it
Honestly I love the show granted Wolverine in the X-Men I loved a lot more but I'm just happy that I grew up watching two X-Men shows that in itself is amazing and plus this show helped me when I was starting physical therapy with my whole surgery with my feet long story short I was born with extra toes had them removed at age 9 and it led to me being stuck in a bed for like 6 months and because of that I watched everything on Cartoon Network and I mean everything so the show holds a deer in my heart
I watched this show on YTV growing up. I still hear these voices in my head whenever I'm reading basically any character in X-Men comics tbh
I'm thinking you missed the female cop telling the girls to knock it off was Mystique who either 1) let them go because of "girl power" and didn't want to hurt them or 2) she didn't want them to be more exposed at that point. Could be a little of both because she was still doing surveillance on them.
Actually, no, most people still call her Shadowcat, being that it's the best anx most iconic codename she's ever had.
In the X-Men comics, Jean Grey HATED her code name (Marvel Girl) which is why they only call her by her real name.
Also, X-Men Evolution had to come in during a time where Kids WB was dominated by Anime (Poke'mon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Cardcaptor Sakura) with some DC shows sprinkled in (The new Batman/Superman adventures, Batman Beyond, Static Shock, and Teen Titans)
I loved this cartoon. It had a great voice cast.
19:28 Hey, there's no problem with that uniform! I like that uniform!
There's two characters you forgot to mention that joins the cast later on and that's beast and iceman they start becoming integral parts around season 3 of the series. And I will agree I want to say Ororo Monroe is Milk toats but I think they have to depower her because I wouldn't necessarily call her the token black girl of the X-Men team she's integral part of every X-Men series that's out there It's just that I feel like a lot of the writers are scared to push her because of the fact that she manipulates whether that I think they're afraid of making her look so overpowered that they can't do anything with her and that's such a shame honestly but I wouldn't call the X-Men evolution storm boring though. I will agree like this is from one of the best adaptations of the X-Men and I love the way they can show rogue without her super strength and flight abilities which I thought that was such a plus because the X-Men movies act like they didn't know what to do with the character at all which kind of sucks but X-Men Evolution was like you can do a lot with Rogue and I did enjoy the transformation of Cyclops and Jean Gray into like these leaders of the X-Men and how they didn't push them to the back burner like the movies kind of did you know And I enjoyed the no love triangle or the Phoenix yet which makes sense because she's young I don't think you need that right now and honestly I enjoyed the fact that they gave us an original character with Spike and ex-23 it would be nice to see Spike in the comics though
Man I absolutely loved this show I really wish it would come back. Maybe someday I mean we got the 97s one returning next year so why can’t we get X Men Evolution return. What do you guys think? What’s your favorite characters from the show and what is your favorite ships or relationships from the series?
i always prefered x-men evolution over the 90s animated series
mostly because of the voice cast
This show is still my Definitive X-Men.
This show is what made me love Rogue. I all honesty, Rogue is the main character of the series, she's the most fleshed out, I love her chemistry with the other characters especially to Kurt and Mystique. Also, her character design is the most unique (she's the only girl with a cleft chin) among her various iterations.
19:29 that wolvie costume is not necessarily from the Ultimate universe, he wore it in all 3 universe (616, ultimate and animated) cos Marvel pushed for Wolvie to have a similar costume across most mainstream media because of the movie's success
Just a heads up, Arkansas is pronounced close to "R can saw". The way you pronounced it is a common mistake for people who don't live here. Love the video. X-Men Evolution was my introduction to the X-Men as a kid and I watched it every Saturday morning on Kids WB so I loved getting your take on it.
Lord, I loved this series.
loved Evolution alot more than the movies or Wolverine and the X-men. ALOT MORE.
9:41 that’s because people dig the fuzzy dude
How do you feel what they did to Nightcrawler in the comics recently? They changed his parentage. They made Mystique his father and Destiny his mother. I think they should have left things alone. I like both of his previous parentage better where Mystique is mother and his father is either a Noble man is his father or Azazel is his father. I am someone that likes the relationship Mystique has with Destiny.
That was the original idea for his origin though.
@@ShadowSonic2 no the original parentage was that his father is either a nobel man or Azazel which both I am fine with and Mystique is the mother. I hate that that changed it to suit The Message.
@@biguy617 No, Claremont said his original idea was that Destiny was his mom and Mystique was his dad but the editors wouldn't go for it. Until now
@@ShadowSonic2 I HATE IT!! They should have left it alone!! That makes Mystipue Transgender! She was never Trans!!
@@ShadowSonic2 False. Claremont's original plan for Nightcrawler was to have Nightmare, a Doctor Strange villain and extra-dimensional entity be his father.
That parentage was supposed to explain two keys things about Nightcrawler: His appearance and his weird teleportation abilities as the intermediate dimension he would have been going through (like shown in X-Men evolution) was going to be revealed as the Dream Dimension where Nightmare rules over.
That was the original idea, that idea was the first to be scrapped and that parentage was supposed to be revealed in the issue where Nightcrawler's backstory was first shown, which, lo and behold, is a Doctor Strange and X-Men Crossover in the 1980's annual.
That very issue instead introduced Nightcrawler's adoptive mother, Margali Szardos, who found him as a baby as well as the fact she found him right next to his DYING mother.
You can go check this yourself. All of this was revealed through the Eye of Agamotto, which only shows the truth.
At the time of that crossover taking place, Nightcrawler's biological mother has been certified dead for 21 years.
Only afterwards did we get Mystique and Destiny's introduction into the X-Men plot through Days of Future Past where their stupid actions create a dystopian future with most of mutantkind dead, including Nightcrawler who is one of the first mutants to die after Kelly's assassination.
Then 3 years after DoFP, Claremont revealed through elaborate prose Mystique's birth year which would have made her only 30 years old when Nightcrawler was previously stated to be 21. That's a 9 year age gap for what's supposedly an "always intended" parent/child relationship.
Claremont then proceeded to retcon his own birth year reveal yet he still had Nightcrawler bring up the fact one of his biological parents was certified dead 4 years after introducing that piece of the puzzle.
Claremont also always described Mystique's shapeshifting to be limited and on a cosmetics only level. He himself stated she was a woman in her base form, couldn't change her scent as Sabretooth and Wolverine could still know it was her in any of her disguises and had her struggle to maintain Nick Fury's form for more than few seconds just because he was taller than her. All of those power limitations were still present when Nightcrawler was already a fully grown adult.
I like Shadowcat, but otherwise, this is one of those shows I liked as a kid that I grew out of.
Day of Reckoning was one of the best season finales ever. It was the moment I was no longer on the fence about this show.
I adored this version of storm she was motherly but still held a presence of authority and people still feared her. Also normal nightcrawler was kinda bland this personality injection was a welcomed change
Too bad you don't like Boom Boom. She was actually my favorite character and I was really excited to learn she was part of Nextwave: Agents of Hate.
Love this show! Need to hunt down the rest of the dvds. Hope you'll have a good day
I wanna say they changed KItty's code name to Sprite in different media.
Man i feel old just remembering this show. I remember playing the wolverine amv on the old kids WB site
A teenage Storm, and Wolverine would make NO Sense so them being the only adults makes sense. It does suck how Gambit and Colossus were all but sidelines though.
Yeah I greatly prefer the age distributions of these versions of the characters apart from maybe Kitty and Rogue being around the same age as Scott and Jean as in my head there’s a bit of bigger age difference but not too big maybe like 5 years
But I prefer Beast, Storm and Angel being older than the rest of the characters and it would just be dumb to have a teenager version of Wolverine
I see Beast, Storm and Wolverine as. Charles’ younger peers
Yes! aWESOME1 Hope this means you're gonna the two Marvel TAS's in the future.
It’s pretty messed up that the only reason why we didn’t get a Season 5 is because nobody was buying the Toys.
RIP Kirbie Morrow (AKA) Cyclops.
I honestly prefer this series over the 90s series. The 90s series just felt too much like a toy commercial. A well made toy commercial, but a commercial nonetheless.
You know I had a few ideas for series like just adding a few episodes to it
Like what kind of ideas?
Really loved this review! Brought back so many memories!
Nightcrawler and Quicksilver were my favorite characters in this animated series
I thought that Gambit and Colossus were teenagers
They were young adults. Colossus was 19 when he joined the X-Men and this version could be around there or in his early 20s. Gambit was clearly in his 20s somewhere
I have NOTHING but respect & love for the comics adaptation of The X-Men BUT X-Men Evolution is my favorite cartoon of the team. I mean OMG Rouge in this show IS AWESOME. !! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE when she went around taking EVERYONES powers. !!! Oh & when Scot & Alex used there powers to destroy the remains of Asteroid M WAS BADASS. !!! 😍
X-23 is one of my favorite female Marvel characters.
Your..your hair is reminding me of that scene in “There’s something about Mary”
"We've never had a bad X-Men show"
*cough*Pryde of the X-men*cough**cough*
That was a pilot it doesn’t count
It’s not even that bad like it still understands what is important about the X-Men which is the fight for equality
Some of the characterisations are just a bit off
@@JOVONO like inappropriate Nightcrawler and Australian Wolverine
@@autobotproductions1244 wasn’t even talking about the accent really but just the characters don’t seem like real people with any motivations or like their comic book counterparts
The Australian accent is not correct for Wolverine but it’s not part of his character
The thing to complain about Wolverine’s character is that he’s just rude and doesn’t want Kitty around
But even Magneto just seems like your over the top 80s villain, Cyclops just feels like a macho 80s action hero and Professor X has no personality
At least these are things I remember as ai have seen it in a while
@@JOVONO all good points
it's hard to claim moral high ground when you call yourself The Brotherhood of Mutant Terrorists
Loved Evolution. I recommend talking about the canceled season 2 of Wolverine and the x men
4:19 Evolution was forged by the gods. Then you have X Men 97
Ayy I loved this show‼️making them different ages and not all the same age was a different take. Wolverine then Gambit was my favorite characters on the show. I see the resemblance to the movies now you pointed that out.
Oh, you kids 😜. I loved “Walk on the Wild Side” since the first time it aired 😜
Kratos himself
Best Wolverine costume in any medium.
Hey man can you do an honest review on xialion showdown? Because it turn 20 years old this year
3:23 Incorrect: The 80's suit is orange and brown not orange and black. You probably confused Evolution with the 80's.
this was probaly one of the best versions of the x-men we'll ever get.
@3.13 GODDAMN FUCKING AVI ARAD AGAIN?
@5:44 MAGNETO WAS PLAYED BY KRATOS?
I was a little against watching that cartoon, because Wolverine was not of the main characters. Wolverine is my favourite MARVEL character and X-men. But then I watched, and I have to admit that I was wrong of criticized.
X-Men Evolution or Teen Titans?
Small correction, not too important:
Brad Swaile's last name is pronounced like the bird. (swale, not swa-lay)
Also, Their was no Jubliee in this series? Yeah she was in the movies but she was tossed asided for no reason
Jubilee is actually in this series, she pops up as one of the students the school has taken on from the second series onwards. She’s really just an extra though, there’s never an episode that focuses on her
Honestly, who cares about Jubilee? She was probably the most useless mutant ever, until she became a vampire...
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Well thats no true i mean she did help in the comic and cartoons, and she pops out in the movies.
i use to see this as kid
Makes me wonder how Marvel will change Magneto once WW2 is too far away for him to believably age normally and have been a survivor.
I'm thinking... Khmer Rouge survivor, perhaps? It would explain why he respects Charles's decision to become a school teacher and pursue mutant relations through education, while he himself is too cynical and burned to believe it would ultimately work.
Easy just say that after Eric and his parents were taken to Auschwitz where his parents were killed he was handed over by the Nazis to their science division (Hydra) where he was given a version of the Super Soldier serum or even Redskull’s blood like how Hydra gave Bucky a version of the serum which allowed him to survive his fall
This se could allow Magneto to remain more youthful and strong in his old age
They could still have him be a Holocaust survivor. In the comics he's a middle aged man because he was turned into a baby at one point.
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Yeah, but then you'd need to devote time in a show to explaining that, as well as for Professor X since they're supposed to be long time friends.
@@1krani It can easily be shown in a simple flashback.
I remember when you dismissed this entire show because it had the name "evolution" in the title. Great character development.
I wish Steven E. Gordon did a Spider-Man show.
Do Wolverine and the X-Men next
This show is like Young Justice.
10:17
I know that drawing from somewhere.
Where can I watch x men evolution
Question am I the only one that thinks Wolverine looks better in orange than yellow?
kratos was magneto??
What's that make Marvel Anime: X-Men?
I like this series. I like that we get to see a great portrayal of Kitty Pryde for the first time. This is a good series, just not as good as the X-men animated series.