@@transcendtient nah, no shadow banning going on ATM in my opinion. It's just the election. Most drones are stuck filling their heads with Donald Trumpkin, BLM amd other drone stuff. About 2 months after the election, yootoobe will go back to normal.
I am also getting sick of cops saying the fact that they have a call or complaint that it justifies whatever they want. As if the complaint trumps their rights. The female cop (supervisor) acted very unprofessionally, very arrogant and condescending.
Add to that the fact that a cop can make up a complaint - ?why? - because s/he is bored and wants to f*ck with somebody that is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I believe the vast majority of cops do not do this - but there are ?millions? of cops and there are bound to be some bad apples.
This is the actual rules in Arizona ..if you don't like the rules run for state government and change the laws ..they got a call for a noise ordinance violation they showed up he admitted to the offense he actually broke the law.not giving his name and he got a warning ..the cops actually acted proper here ..he didn't get stomped jumped tazed shot and he actually broke a law and an ordinance and he got a free pass
@@dwayneb72 it is almost like you didn't watch the video at all huh. It's almost like you're blindly on the cops side. How bout you watch the video. Law enforcement means they have to enforce the laws. He literally had the law in his hands and neither of them knew it or even put their ego aside and read it.
she doesnt know it and by revising it, then she cant be negligent of the laws she doesnt know. people are afraid to say that they are wrong if they are wrong because it makes them look stupid . if people start suing police officers when they cost the city money which comes from the tax payers who live in that city, then, they will be also liable, but the civil court won't allow you to sue a police because the police department is a legal entity just as a corporation. thats why its so hard to hold them personally accountable !
Because cops try to come up with their own laws or create charges on people that arnt even real laws because they all believe they are above the law which is messed up
@Brian Jefferson So you are saying if you hire an independent contractor and they mess something up or damage something , when you sue them it doesnt hit them personally? Stupid me , I thought thats why alot of business owners create LLC's . So it separates their personal assets from the business assets ..... You like to sound smart but I dont think you are as smart as you think you are.
@@kevinkuptz7397 couldn’t they always have like malpractice insurance? I’m not sure what all that entails but they definitely need to fix it to where the officer is held way more accountable.
Part of the reason the pastor was so prepared and bowed up was because a member of his church had recently been arrested for the same activity. “Pastor Jeff” consulted a lawyer which is why he had the city code on hand. SOLID
@Nick Trybull how is that any different than BLM rioters? Or antifa idiots either? Should they all be in jail because I don't believe in their message? This argument is misguided.
@@darktividar7632 because he isn't looting and burning places or beating up people who disagree with them... Pretty simple really. Peaceful Protesting--OK Violent looting and burning and hurting others---NOT OK
The Pastor was never detained, nor once detained informed by police that due to his detainment that he was now compelled to identify, or be charged with a crime of failure to identify. He deserves an A+...
I best liked how the pastor described, ~~"it is incumbent on us to educate those making the complaint that this is a lawful activity" - and I wish dispatchers who take the complaint understood the point also. Police serve not only those making the complaint, but also those complained against.
Double thumbs up for the last sentence! Potential problem is dispatcher has a job to do - I assume they want to keep their job - stay in your lane or suffer consequences. As imperfect as that is, it's reality. Those perceived to be trouble makers are let go.
@@thisguy4505 I would hope an emergency dispatch line like 911 isn’t used for a noise complaint like this. You do realize there is non-emergency dispatch, right?
*_" Police serve not only those making the complaint, but also those complained against."_* Now, would that hold true if someone or a group demonstrated in front of his church in the same manner while he conducted services? I checked their website. Now I won't reveal their denomination here, but what THEY'RE protesting is ALSO a legal activity that is Constitutionally protected as well. I think the pastor should heed his own advice.
@CraigAndNem I have. But if a call is for a noise complaint like this, at some point we have to let common sense prevail. If the caller is not reporting danger and it’s in an open, public area, treat it as the non-emergency it is.
This pastor is slick. Probably the best I’ve seen in coherently stating his rights while providing documentation to back it up. Very impressive. Also not raising his emotional lever nor becoming combative. Great job Jeff
@busy catter dude he protests in front of a Chinese restaurant to shut it down that is racist. True Christians don't protest any we turn the other cheek.
@@raymondanders2965 Exactly the reason why the cops should have showed up WITH a measuring device. Then, if it was too loud, give him a warning and proceed that way. If it wasn't too loud they could just leave. But why investigate when you can just bully.
@@raymondanders2965 I only have one criticism regarding the Pastor. He was wrong about providing his name (suspected of violating noise ordinance not committed a crime). We have the right to protest. My criticism was at the police for showing up on a call about the loud sound system without the means to actually ascertain if it was in the legal limits or not. Absent that tool the police (sargeant) used the bully tactic to intimidate.
Don’t give me the law, that right there is the problem. They don’t care about the law they only care that you do exactly what they say and when they say it.
My issue with the whole "officer, I got the law right here, take a look" is that you can never really know if A) what they're showing you is legit or B) whether there isn't an exception somewhere further (as is often the case).
They were pieces of paper... The street isn't the place to determine whether the information on the paper is accurate or not. As it turns out, he was incorrect about his ability to use the sound amplification device.
For the purposes of the interaction, I have to say this man was prepared and offered to negotiate the situation with police and I believe in free speech so...he is right. He tried. The female officer and her off-putting attitude was absolutely unprofessional, and she shouldnt even wear a badge let alone be a supervisor. Not religious, but I support this guy and his right to be heard
This is a perfect example of why we need to abolish qualified immunity. That “supervisor” only feels empowered to threaten this man because she knows she cannot be held personally liable for any violations of citizens’ rights.
@@micahmcgowan8007 Not so great as it doesn't apply to this situation. The sgt. never acted against the law, just threatened him, which is bad but probably not enough for a lawsuit. Now even if she had break the law arresting the Pastor she would *probably* not qualify for QUALIFIED immunity as she willingly refuse to look at the law.
@SEC Securities and Exchange Commission there it goes, you let your bias slip out. If they were protesting something you aligned with you’d have a different opinion. And what makes these guys “hippies”? You’re just projecting at this point.
I think the "F" was overly harsh. She obviously knew that a megaphone is going to be louder than the 60dB limit, so she seems to be totally reasonable in issuing the warning. She could have been more courteous, and explained her position much better, but I would say C- because she left without escalating the situation making an arrest. Just imo...
@@xXxTeenSplayer Yes, of course she could have known that. But the law says she needed to measure it with an A-weighted scale. So she couldn’t lawfully issue him a warning.
I feel like a lot of cops are uninformed on the law. I’m not a cop hater nor a cop lover. I respect what they do but think that there are aspects of policing that could be changed. One of which I feel cops should have to know the laws like the back of their hand and should be held accountable if they use their authority to arrest someone without reason.
@@juggalojohn99 it’s a joke lol. I’m just saying he speaks slow as fuck and sounds like a dumbass, which is the stereotypical stoner sound. With some stoners you can’t even tell, which is why I’m calling it a stereotype. I doubt many cops are actually stupid enough to smoke on the job. Side note, it isn’t as crazy as some of the shit our president is saying, yet he has millions of people that believe him
@Pr B correct. in this case it would be the distance from the pastor to the person who called 911. I believe every car passing by violates this pitiful 65db by the noise it creates.
@@icecold9511 The people who make such restrictive rules and laws know that they won't hold up to scrutiny, but they count of most people being unwilling or too afraid to actually being it to a court.
I was accused of and arrested for a crime I did not commit. Our city mayor does not like people voicing the wrong doings that go on in our city. Because I was doing so while campaigning for his opponent he decided to bring false criminal charges against me. Being his cousin is the chief of police and his good friend was the judge made this easy for him. They even went as far as to ban me from all social media on my protection order which is unheard of in a case as mine was. They banned me from social media because they did not want me to be able to plublicly speak about their wrong doings. There is so much more to this. After almost a year I finally got my day in court on October 23rd. The trial lasted all day but the jury found me not guilty in 27 minutes. Speaking of the jury when the judge asked who all was from the very small city of Norton over half the hands went up. Even the mayors neighbor was there for jury selection. Yeah, me and my attorney said wtf at the same time. The stress they put me and my family through was completely uncalled for and the money it cost us hit us hard. I am a disabled veteran who has never had a encounter with law enforcement, not even a single traffic violation in my 43 years. You want a good story to report? I have one. We are working on a civil suit now. This is not the world we want to live in that I can assure you.
He should have allowed himself to be arrested by insisting on using the megaphone to that end. If Rosa Parks didn't get arrested they couldn't have tested the constitutionality of separate but equal. To really challenge the law, you need to get arrested.
I saw this video. I was amazed that the officers continued to refer back to the person who had made the 911 call as if it was their complaint that was driving the interaction. Instead, the 911 call should have only been used for the police to show up and do their own research and sound level measurements. In the video the police kept on saying that but they had received a complaint. As if they were in a manufacturing facility and their goal was 0 complaints 0 defects 0 injuries. When instead they should have had the equipment to apply the Sound Ordnance law.
Except they were not there to give any tickets ..they gave the warning because she knew she didn't have the necessary meter to actually give a ticket ..the dude is lucky he didn't catch 2 charges for not ID'ing for either cop when they clearly asked for his name twice as per AZ legal statute
@@dwayneb72 I believe that when police arrive at a location due to a 911 call they have the duty to determine if there is any reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has been, is being, or will be committed. These police did not have the required equipment to do that. So they tried to try to tell the street preacher to turn is equipment down or off based on a previous phone call to 911 and not based on their first hand knowledge of the situation.
@@marclawyer2789 I have read that even in a stop and ID state, the police have to have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed. I would like to understand this more. I think that the difference is that in a NON stop and ID state the person has to be arrested before they are required to provide ID, and in a stop and ID state, the person does not have to be detained or arrested for the police to be able to require ID, but the police still have to have reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. In this case, the female police specifically said you need to give me your name because we have a complaint. That is not in the law.
We had a cop show up to our apartment when we ran the vacuum cleaner at 2:00 in the afternoon. They pulled the “good cop, bad cop”routine to make the encounter more interesting. I asked what law we violated and their answer continually was “we got a complaint”. I stated that just because my neighbor doesn’t like it, it does not make my activity illegal. We went around and around and the cops got tired and finally left.
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@@Taiko206 Did you watch the video at all? You seem to have missed the review of Arizona and Tempe laws regarding sound amplification devices and decibel level measurement, the supreme court rulings on use of sound amplification and other related cases.
@@654Crossman Ignoring your obvious bias, nothing changes, they are subject to the laws of the State/County/City. Same as the police are subject to following the enforcement of those laws. There is no place for your Special Pleading here.
"Disorderly conduct" is what an officer falls back on when he/she knows they are wrong, they can construe anything as "disorderly conduct" just to get their way; this is why she just chose to walk away, she knew she was wrong.
@@judgementgaming3270 Just as many are BS charges that should have not been brought and are usually thrown out once they get their asses handed to them by a lawyer or a judge.
@@judgementgaming3270 I think what fox meant by that is when cops are against the wall when it comes to the circumstances shifting in their ‘favor’, they use what is usually what these officers think of as ‘umbrella’ charges that are too often misconstrued or misinterpreted and very few officers have truly read AND understood what disturbing the peace TRULY means, as well as what disorderly conducts mean & obstruction … all of these have specific content & objectives that MUST be met before someone can LAWFULLY be charged with them. However, cops like this sergeant in this video is an arrogant POS who thinks citizens should now down to her. It’s those same like minded officers that throw these said charges around to make them fit their narrative; NOT what they actually are. Grant it, yes, there’s been cases that have correctly & actually been charged and sought through… but, I don’t think that’s what the initial comment was referring to. 😌
The Problem is, they don't care if citizens sue because we pay for their mistakes and mishandling of situations, them breaking laws! Etc. They don't!!! That's why these things have to be changed!!!! And they themselves need to be held accountable!!! You need to say we will go after your jobs, and do so! Because you're violating our rights!!! Because their jobs matter, We paying their Bills for their misconduct does not!!!
@@Pie4life123 No, unless you measure with the appropriate device, and if you do, you'll find out that the cars passing by are violating it too. A car passing by at 65mph 25 feet away is 77db, and the combined traffic in a freeway is around the same at 50 feet. So everyone is violating the noise level. Unless you want to negate his first amendment rights, you have to accept him talking in a volume that's at least at the same level as the cars.
@@henryhunter8068 Cars don't violate it because vehicles actually have a different section under the city code. If the cars were louder than the noise standard then he's permitted to go 5db above what they do, but any more an he's in violation. So, the cars aren't violating the noise level.
To be fair, a piece of paper he printed out himself is just about as valid as whatever BS he's spewing out the megaphone. They definitely could have gone back to the car and looked it up in their system though. And if the supervisor had any clue, she would have brought the sound measurement device.
11:01 I can't stand those rushy stupid emotionally manipulative women (especially short fat ones) like that idiot 'oh we can oh we can' we just do what we want well you know i said so so yeah um yeah because i'm a police karen.
Pastor Jeff was NOT required to provide his full name under 13.2412. That section requires the officer to have lawfully DETAINED the person who must THEN provide their name. You didn't read the whole paragraph.
Cop: "Hello sir. There's been a complaint about the noise you're making." Protestor: "What? I can't hear you over the defeaning sound of this busy freeway." Cop: "I said - there's been a noise complaint!" Protestor: "A WHAT?" Cop: "A NOISE COMPLAINT!" Protestor: "A NOSECONE PAINT?!" Cop: "NOISE COMPLAINT!!!" XD
@@WolfJ It depends on how much a city prioritizes automobile traffic. For instance, Birmingham AL and Atlanta Georgia are both extremely loud cities downtown because they have urban high speed roads, but New York City, Leipzig, and Berlin (Germany) are extremely quiet cities because the roads are ludicrously narrow and drivers can barely get above 20 mph. Leipzig, especially, is almost freakishly quiet, especially in the inner area where no automobiles whatsoever are allowed, but the road infrastructure for autos is still there.
@@WolfJ You think a city is disgusting because it selectively enforces laws. I think a city is disgusting because it prioritizes loud and polluting automobiles.
@@WolfJ Cars pollute a lot. And the faster drivers go they harder they crash,, and the higher their fuel consumption is. So that blows your argument 1 out the window.
I'm getting sick of cops saying "Yeah you didn't break any laws but this person over there was offended". Translation ="You only have rights as long as you don't offend anyone for any reason but no one cares if you are offended at the loss of basic human rights."
@J You have a pretty simplistic view of the right and left. You realize most academics, scientists and philosophers are left-wing, right? This is because we use reason and intellect to guide our views on morality, education and law. Often as a result of which, we lobby for policy shown to be effective based on observation and analysis, rather than religion and that which is unable to be defined, which is the hallmark of the right wing.
@J the right is just as easily offended as the left. When people want to remove in good we trust from the motto the right is all up in arms about a war on religion when it's just keeping with seperation of church and state. When two men want to get married they get offended as they "don't think it's natural" when 1 it is and many animals exhibit homosexual behavior and 2. Who cares if it's natural neither are automobiles but everyone uses those.
I love how these cops say "I know the law" or "don't show me the law". She doesn't care about being sued because the money doesn't come out of her pocket.
Amen to that.... but the US has very corrupt government... and they dont want smart officers... they want ignorant and crooked cops to use them against the ppl if it’s necessary at any given time... A good cop wouldn’t fight against its own ppl... a dumb crazy one will just fallow its orders even if they know its wrong.. some ppl just love to harrass others for no reason...
@PrEcIs3 Gaming qualified immunity has a place to a degree but it's scope needs to be narrowed. If an officer acts in good faith believing he's doing the right thing and can prove it I have no issue. But if it's clear it was a power trip or they were just triggered than no.
@PrEcIs3 Gaming Qualified Immu9 was Invented by the Supreme Court by the Originalist Justices who are always claiming that Judges should not legislate.
They'd be walking on eggshells untill they found another profession....that would definitely weed out the "I'm just here for a paycheck or power grabbers"
@Jon Marchand have you never sued before? You actually have to have evidence. So if the officer did nothing wrong how could it be "taken advantage of"? All it would do is prevent cops from lying and cheating to get convictions.
Imagine had the supervisor shown up with a sound meter, measured the level when the pastor used his megaphone, then had him turn down the volume until the level was legal. The pastor could then mark what volume level was legal, and everyone goes on their merry ways, safe and happy. Well, except for the Karen who called in the noise complaint...
Except for the poor people going to the abortion clinic and being harassed by pastor Jeff who has previously stated that women should be executed for having abortions- they also wouldn't be safe and happy.
@@fortifarse Doesn't matter what the police rule in their own favor. When the case goes to court and the video shows the REFUSAL to check what the law says, the police will have to pay out
So is no one going to talk about how their signs said babies are killed here at a Chinese restaurant really you don't see that as racist. Yeah I would call the cops if I saw 30 people outside a restaurant chantting the Asians are killing and feeding you babies at this restaurant
@@Sunokanse no he stayed just far enough away from the clinic because they have a restraining order. They stood outside a restaurant not the clinic they were at least 400 yards away
I was arrested ten years ago on 9 11 bullhorning in Colorado Springs for the same thing and beat the charge for the same reason. The police needed a recently calibrated noise meter.
@@Tristan02539 that's the thing, the cops are enforcing statue, policies, codes, that should be in line with the U.S. constitution, but often times these things are not in line with the constitution, and many citizens that don't research don't have a clue
@@genestarwind4610 last I checked there weren't any 9/11 terrorists in this video either, so I guess we're talking about the same guys. And anyone who would suggest that simply spreading an idea can be likened to mass murder is obviously driven by empty ideology.
@@jake96ization Ideas are 100% deadly. Actions are premediated by ideas. We know that because we have incitement of violence laws. The Preacher is pushing false ideas and lies to cause incitement. Dozens of extremist get pushed at planned parenthoods. Killing doctors and nurses.
“When lawfully detained” and “after being advised that refusal to answer is unlawful” both seem to mean he doesn’t need it identify to the original officer.
If you download any one of the many free DB meters for a smart phone, you will see that 65 DB is very low (I work with sound). Standing at the curb toward traffic, the meter will read from 72 to 88+. So the law is a little silly in that 65 DB amplification will not get you much and as the article pointed out, most amplification is much higher than that. I have held my hand fully out in a crowd to keep people with megaphones from putting it right by my ear in causing permanent hearing damage. But the law being, POTENTIALLY, unconstitutional has nothing to do with its enforcement. Until a ruling it is the law. All that being said, I am glad that they have a specified way of measuring the sound in the law as sound levels are influenced by emotion.
Its 65dB at the place of the complaint, which is probably pretty far away. Of course, the background noise could be higher than that, in which case yes the law is shite.
Sort of. It would be very reasonable to suspect the noise ordinance is being being broken and therefore launch an investigation. Part of the investigation would be requiring a name, as well as measuring the sound with an approved device. Not giving a name when you're reasonably suspected of a crime, is in itself a crime. So, while he cannot be charged violating the noise ordinance until a measuring device is used, it is not required that he be charged with a crime to ask for his name, only that he's suspected of committing one.
@@JohnTaylor5675 As was stated, that it was a local ORDINANCE therefore breaking it is not a crime, therefore asking him to ID is unlawful, just a ruse to get him in the police computer and mess with his life. A complaint is not reasonable suspicion, just a basis to act from, not assume the truth of, any action being done.
@@JohnTaylor5675 Probably only in AZ as the law is a bit different. But a decent lawyer could make the claim due to them not having the meter etc. He would toss the failure to Identify. He also said Pastor Jeff so reasonably they could check the church website and have his name in a few clicks.
@@sheldon2417 you are applying the “probable cause” standard to ”reasonable suspicion” RAS only requires facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe criminal activity may be occurring. ATA himself articulates how anyone speaking above a normal conversational level could be over the city ordinance limit. Someone using a megaphone would easily give RAS that the “crime” is occurring. This is why the SGT clucked around like a rooster and barked like a dog but never did anything under the law...she didn’t have probable cause the violation actually occurred.
Sure they can. The police have a heck of a lot of latitude in this area, and the courts seem to usually back them up based solely on their say-so. Technically, you are right...I'm talking about reality.
The funniest part is how they claim they are going to arrest him if he continues yet walk off and leave while he continues using the amp. Not only are the officers incompetent, they also won't even follow through with their unlawful threats.
Or they were bluffing case they knew the law would not be on their side in a court of law costing the city money. Just because someone is a cop does not mean they are right. Funny how this did not get the attention of the defund the police crowd. Why is that??
“Yeah but I was called here.” This is where most officers brains just go to mush. They’re hardwired to believe that because of the fact that they were called out to a place this means they MUST get ID’s and nothing can stop them from doing that. No matter what. It’s kinda funny. Also kinda scary sometimes.
I like how this officer is given the guys first name, the fact he is a pastor, and the church he is a pastor at, and even with all of that information, he could not think of a way to figure out his identity. Pretty sure I just found out his first and last name and it took me about 2 minutes (literally just have to search apologia church tempe az). it is crazy, apparently churches have websites with staff information on it, if only our police had similar investigative skills lol.
@@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut I don't think it ever would a pastor isn't someone that commits crimes and goes and preaches in public activists for the Constitution will always have my support
I worked it out. He's the support to James White on Alpha and Omega broadcasts, which I enjoy greatly. He's a fellow martial artist I believe, although I only have two 3rd Dans but that was another life.
ATA I appreciate your videos, your knowledge, your fairness and your priority to audit the life circumstances we so desire. Lol you also have a great "radio" voice. Love and respect.
From a technical perspective the dB(A) corresponds to a sound pressure reading on a scale weighted to what a human ear percieved. The only detail is that is missing is the distance of the sound pressure measurement. At the source the sound pressure is the highest and at each doubling of distance from the source results in a 6dB drop in sound pressure (approximately a halfing in the percieved volume). So depending on the distance of the taken measurement the dB(A) will vary greatly. Even a human speaking up close can go above 80 dB. The law should state the distance or location of the measurement to insure a proper consistent reading.
@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou Exactly great question. 65 dB from 3-4 feet away would make any lawnmower illegal, but if its 65dB from 50+ ft away seems more reasonable. The question is where is the measurement made in relation to the source of noise this vastly changes the law and a lack of an answer can lead to misuse and abuse.
Reasonable suspicion of a crime, not reasonable suspicion. They have to suspect you of committing a crime and have to reasonably articulate that crime.
I'd love to see a law that states any time a cop tells someone "I know the law" and ends up getting sued, the cop is not only 100% on the hook for the settlement and all legal costs, but any motions to grant qualified immunity be denied. Obviously, I'd love to see this law applied to all cops in every case, but I'm ok with baby stepping our way there.
City code 20-5 is great but 20-6 is absolutely terrible. You can't even run a washing machine outdoors? And in other zones you can't even have a normal conversation? Terrible.
I think it's fair to say the likelihood that, as Pastor Jeff said, the complainant had not separated the message from the medum is high. It was a highly commercial area on a busy thoroughfare and the person who complained clearly was not upset by noise, rather was most certainly offended by the actual content within the "noise."
You have the right to refuse i͟f the officer does not have reasonable suspicion of unlawful conduct. Brown v. Texas Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada Lawson v. Kolender (9th Circuit Court of Appeals)
Until the block you from leaving/stick a foot in your door/not answer when you ask if you are detained/make up bullshit “crimes”. It’s ok, just bend the fuck over. You can fight your case in court, while burning your money, and they laugh all the way to the bank!
@@MiLKSOP _"The application of Tex. Penal Code Ann., Tit. 8, 38.02 (1974), to detain appellant and require him to identify himself violated the Fourth Amendment _*_because the officers lacked any reasonable suspicion to believe appellant was engaged or had engaged in criminal conduct._*_ Accordingly, appellant may not be punished for refusing to identify himself, and the conviction is reversed."_ *𝘽𝙧𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙫. 𝙏𝙚𝙭𝙖𝙨* _"I͟f there are articulable facts supporting a reasonable suspicion that a person has committed a criminal offense, that person may be stopped in order to identify him."_ *𝙃𝙖𝙮𝙨 𝙫. 𝙁𝙡𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙙𝙖*
I deeply enjoy your channel, the first video I watched I was on a matching the cops kick watching Bad Cop videos, however after watching several of your own videos I have found that the way you produce your video makes me far more informed and understand interactions in different states much better than just through bad cop bad
I thought the pastor did an awesome job. He stood up for his rights, knew his rights and talked clearly without anger. I have no doubt he's a great pastor and his congregation should be proud of him.
Good job done by Pastor Jeff. Officer Petunia tried intimidating him with her position, and he basically told her to go kick rocks, and continued with what he was doing.
2 :20 he was correct about the identification laws he gets an a+ "for someone who was lawfully detained for reasonable suspicion of a crime" they could not articulate any crime
Yeah, Audit the Audit kind of skipped over that part, didn't he? No reasonable suspicion of a crime = No ID. There was no crime here, so the pastor was basically correct.
@@90gdv i meant to say that he wast detained but .. you know i get to typing and half my thoughs become mia... your correct thanks for pointing that out
It’s important to point out that the decibel scale is logarithmic in nature. This means that from 60 to 64 dB this represents a 10^4 increase in sound intensity, so it’s not entirely accurate to say it is “just” above normal conversation levels.
“Reasonable Suspicion” of WHAT !!!! The officer made it clear that no law had been broken and was fishing and harassing .. “Officer” - I understand the city code, and I don’t need to be bothered with anything the Supreme Court rules ...
@@doozowings4672 65 decibels is just over a normal conversation. The officer wouldn’t have the evidence needed to convict, but the pastor was clearly braking the code.
@@robv5834 I agree with you that there was “sound amplification” but where we disagree is that the courts have set a specific level that must be measured . That’s the legal catch, the word “measured” .
9:59 When you expect a supervisor with more education and you end up I have a public servant much more ignorant and super, super super tyrant. A shame! F-
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@@transcendtient nah, no shadow banning going on ATM in my opinion. It's just the election. Most drones are stuck filling their heads with Donald Trumpkin, BLM amd other drone stuff. About 2 months after the election, yootoobe will go back to normal.
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1:46 " Don't give me the law." - "law enforcement"
I immediately face palmed.
Precisely why they have re-"badged" themselves "*FORCE*".
"Peace officer" ... pfft.
and people wonder why cops are killed in the patrol cars
He should have picked up the megaphone and read out the statutes to her ;)
Goes to show the mindset of the police force 🤷♂️
I am also getting sick of cops saying the fact that they have a call or complaint that it justifies whatever they want. As if the complaint trumps their rights. The female cop (supervisor) acted very unprofessionally, very arrogant and condescending.
Add to that the fact that a cop can make up a complaint - ?why? - because s/he is bored and wants to f*ck with somebody that is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I believe the vast majority of cops do not do this - but there are ?millions? of cops and there are bound to be some bad apples.
This is the actual rules in Arizona ..if you don't like the rules run for state government and change the laws ..they got a call for a noise ordinance violation they showed up he admitted to the offense he actually broke the law.not giving his name and he got a warning ..the cops actually acted proper here ..he didn't get stomped jumped tazed shot and he actually broke a law and an ordinance and he got a free pass
@@dwayneb72 Holy smokes Batman. We have a smooth brain!
@@dwayneb72 he didn't admit to any offense. He cited the law showing that without a measurement of the sound that he can't be charged.
@@dwayneb72 it is almost like you didn't watch the video at all huh. It's almost like you're blindly on the cops side. How bout you watch the video. Law enforcement means they have to enforce the laws. He literally had the law in his hands and neither of them knew it or even put their ego aside and read it.
When a cop says “Don’t give me the law,” you already know you’re dealing with a tyrant.
she doesnt know it and by revising it, then she cant be negligent of the laws she doesnt know. people are afraid to say that they are wrong if they are wrong because it makes them look stupid .
if people start suing police officers when they cost the city money which comes from the tax payers who live in that city, then, they will be also liable, but the civil court won't allow you to sue a police because the police department is a legal entity just as a corporation. thats why its so hard to hold them personally accountable !
tyrant is a strong word, but i get it, you're one of those people who hates all cops.
When someone walks up to you with an unofficial document do you automatically assume it is legitimate. Pastor Jeff could have typed it up himself.
Because cops try to come up with their own laws or create charges on people that arnt even real laws because they all believe they are above the law which is messed up
@@thomash.l.9382 if someone acts like a tyrant then it is what it is, don’t mean you hate cops
Cops would care alot more about people suing if it came out of their pockets . That is one of the first things that need to change.
Or they got terminated
@Brian Jefferson So you are saying if you hire an independent contractor and they mess something up or damage something , when you sue them it doesnt hit them personally? Stupid me , I thought thats why alot of business owners create LLC's . So it separates their personal assets from the business assets ..... You like to sound smart but I dont think you are as smart as you think you are.
That would change thing dramatically.
Exactly.
@@kevinkuptz7397 couldn’t they always have like malpractice insurance? I’m not sure what all that entails but they definitely need to fix it to where the officer is held way more accountable.
Part of the reason the pastor was so prepared and bowed up was because a member of his church had recently been arrested for the same activity. “Pastor Jeff” consulted a lawyer which is why he had the city code on hand. SOLID
@Nick Trybull how is that any different than BLM rioters? Or antifa idiots either? Should they all be in jail because I don't believe in their message? This argument is misguided.
@@darktividar7632 because he isn't looting and burning places or beating up people who disagree with them...
Pretty simple really. Peaceful Protesting--OK
Violent looting and burning and hurting others---NOT OK
@@Jaxmusicgal23 i agree, I was saying the same to someone who deleted their post I think.
i heard "pastor durban". his names jeff durban,officer
@@darktividar7632 i could be mistaken, but normally pastors aren't burning down facilities...
...unless it's a red-hot sermon
The Pastor was never detained, nor once detained informed by police that due to his detainment that he was now compelled to identify, or be charged with a crime of failure to identify. He deserves an A+...
I best liked how the pastor described, ~~"it is incumbent on us to educate those making the complaint that this is a lawful activity" - and I wish dispatchers who take the complaint understood the point also. Police serve not only those making the complaint, but also those complained against.
Double thumbs up for the last sentence! Potential problem is dispatcher has a job to do - I assume they want to keep their job - stay in your lane or suffer consequences. As imperfect as that is, it's reality. Those perceived to be trouble makers are let go.
Bingo! Police (should) serve the Constitution and the law, not whiners who call 911 because they don't like someone telling the truth about them.
@@thisguy4505 I would hope an emergency dispatch line like 911 isn’t used for a noise complaint like this. You do realize there is non-emergency dispatch, right?
*_" Police serve not only those making the complaint, but also those complained against."_* Now, would that hold true if someone or a group demonstrated in front of his church in the same manner while he conducted services? I checked their website. Now I won't reveal their denomination here, but what THEY'RE protesting is ALSO a legal activity that is Constitutionally protected as well.
I think the pastor should heed his own advice.
@CraigAndNem I have. But if a call is for a noise complaint like this, at some point we have to let common sense prevail. If the caller is not reporting danger and it’s in an open, public area, treat it as the non-emergency it is.
Nothing like an officer who has absolutely no problem with the taxpayers getting sued for her pride.
Brilliant comment and right on point!
This pastor is slick. Probably the best I’ve seen in coherently stating his rights while providing documentation to back it up. Very impressive. Also not raising his emotional lever nor becoming combative. Great job Jeff
Yet he is being racist the exact opposite of what a Christian should be
@busy catter dude he protests in front of a Chinese restaurant to shut it down that is racist. True Christians don't protest any we turn the other cheek.
@busy catter it's obvious he was pedaling hate speech about Chinese Americans
@busy catter it's this video you can clearly see the Chinese restaurant sign.
Lmao it's so ironic how racist you are being right now
“We got a call ...”. How often have the cops used that phrase to violate our rights?
Way to often.
@@raymondanders2965 Exactly the reason why the cops should have showed up WITH a measuring device. Then, if it was too loud, give him a warning and proceed that way. If it wasn't too loud they could just leave. But why investigate when you can just bully.
@@raymondanders2965 I only have one criticism regarding the Pastor. He was wrong about providing his name (suspected of violating noise ordinance not committed a crime).
We have the right to protest.
My criticism was at the police for showing up on a call about the loud sound system without the means to actually ascertain if it was in the legal limits or not. Absent that tool the police (sargeant) used the bully tactic to intimidate.
It’s right up there with “We’ve had a lot of break ins in the area”.
@@raymondanders2965 which amendment covers the right to not hear public statements while choosing to be in public? I must have overlooked that one.
Don’t give me the law, that right there is the problem. They don’t care about the law they only care that you do exactly what they say and when they say it.
Well cops arent litigators and the street isn’t exactly the correct place to argue about this. So yeah, nothing to see here.
@Bili ,but do the bad ones allow the "good" one to be good???
I read a story about how a good one was fired for not shooting a young man.
My issue with the whole "officer, I got the law right here, take a look" is that you can never really know if A) what they're showing you is legit or B) whether there isn't an exception somewhere further (as is often the case).
They were pieces of paper... The street isn't the place to determine whether the information on the paper is accurate or not. As it turns out, he was incorrect about his ability to use the sound amplification device.
@Bili yep, all those cops who just watch rights being violated by other cops are good cops.
For the purposes of the interaction, I have to say this man was prepared and offered to negotiate the situation with police and I believe in free speech so...he is right. He tried. The female officer and her off-putting attitude was absolutely unprofessional, and she shouldnt even wear a badge let alone be a supervisor.
Not religious, but I support this guy and his right to be heard
Pastor: this is the law
Officer: we don't do that here
IT BURNS US. AAAAAAH!
YALL EVER HEAR A 65 DECEABLE WASHING MACHINE A BLOCK OVER? YEAH ME EITHER GUY WAS VIOLATING THE NOISE LEVEL.
@@Pie4life123 chill mate
This comment had 69 likes. I ruined it. Hate me.
@@antonyduhamel1166 Let's push it to 420.
Pastor: Hey, this is the law, please enforce it.
Police: Nah. We do what we want.
We know lol
@Jason Delp do you have a calibrated sound meter?
@@chrisharmon2730 You think a megaphone is less than 60dB?!? Give me a break dude...
@@xXxTeenSplayer it could be set to 65db. Yes. That is a setting on some of them if u pay over 10 buckaroonies
@@xXxTeenSplayer Hiya Chris, the sound has settings high and low.
This is a perfect example of why we need to abolish qualified immunity. That “supervisor” only feels empowered to threaten this man because she knows she cannot be held personally liable for any violations of citizens’ rights.
Wow, great comment. Interesting thought.
@@micahmcgowan8007 Not so great as it doesn't apply to this situation. The sgt. never acted against the law, just threatened him, which is bad but probably not enough for a lawsuit. Now even if she had break the law arresting the Pastor she would *probably* not qualify for QUALIFIED immunity as she willingly refuse to look at the law.
Bingo!
@@STREEEEEET so police can threaten illegal behavior ? I can’t why can they? (Because of qualified immunity)
F for sure she demonstrated everything that makes people hate the police.
@SEC Securities and Exchange CommissionGive it up, everyone here can see the absurdity of the way these cops acted...
@SEC Securities and Exchange Commission there it goes, you let your bias slip out. If they were protesting something you aligned with you’d have a different opinion. And what makes these guys “hippies”? You’re just projecting at this point.
Why is it that there are awful female LEOs on RUclips?
I think the "F" was overly harsh. She obviously knew that a megaphone is going to be louder than the 60dB limit, so she seems to be totally reasonable in issuing the warning. She could have been more courteous, and explained her position much better, but I would say C- because she left without escalating the situation making an arrest. Just imo...
@@xXxTeenSplayer
Yes, of course she could have known that. But the law says she needed to measure it with an A-weighted scale. So she couldn’t lawfully issue him a warning.
Bruh the cop didn’t wanna hear the law, didn’t know the law when he finally listens, and sounds stoned... gotta love these guys
Sounds stoned??? You’re trying to reach there bud
He did sound stoned looooool
@@juggalojohn99 definitely sounded stoned hahaha
I feel like a lot of cops are uninformed on the law. I’m not a cop hater nor a cop lover. I respect what they do but think that there are aspects of policing that could be changed. One of which I feel cops should have to know the laws like the back of their hand and should be held accountable if they use their authority to arrest someone without reason.
@@juggalojohn99 it’s a joke lol. I’m just saying he speaks slow as fuck and sounds like a dumbass, which is the stereotypical stoner sound. With some stoners you can’t even tell, which is why I’m calling it a stereotype. I doubt many cops are actually stupid enough to smoke on the job. Side note, it isn’t as crazy as some of the shit our president is saying, yet he has millions of people that believe him
This channel is so damn good. You focus on the legality of situations only and I appreciate that so much.
Normal conversation: 60dB Maximum Loudness allowed in residential Area: 55dB
It’s ridiculous.. regular traffic is already louder
When you go outside, whisper.
It is one of those things that exists to abuse when useful, but not enforced normally.
It would die the second it reached court.
@Pr B correct. in this case it would be the distance from the pastor to the person who called 911. I believe every car passing by violates this pitiful 65db by the noise it creates.
@@icecold9511 The people who make such restrictive rules and laws know that they won't hold up to scrutiny, but they count of most people being unwilling or too afraid to actually being it to a court.
I was accused of and arrested for a crime I did not commit. Our city mayor does not like people voicing the wrong doings that go on in our city. Because I was doing so while campaigning for his opponent he decided to bring false criminal charges against me. Being his cousin is the chief of police and his good friend was the judge made this easy for him. They even went as far as to ban me from all social media on my protection order which is unheard of in a case as mine was. They banned me from social media because they did not want me to be able to plublicly speak about their wrong doings. There is so much more to this. After almost a year I finally got my day in court on October 23rd. The trial lasted all day but the jury found me not guilty in 27 minutes. Speaking of the jury when the judge asked who all was from the very small city of Norton over half the hands went up. Even the mayors neighbor was there for jury selection. Yeah, me and my attorney said wtf at the same time. The stress they put me and my family through was completely uncalled for and the money it cost us hit us hard. I am a disabled veteran who has never had a encounter with law enforcement, not even a single traffic violation in my 43 years. You want a good story to report? I have one. We are working on a civil suit now. This is not the world we want to live in that I can assure you.
Norton, OH?
Sue the living crap out of them, video document everything, and I mean everything and then send it to a media outlet
You have my attention, feel free to share more about this! I want to know more!
@@MyCupidKiller Who are you and who are with? I would love to share the facts on this and get it out there.
Don't they pay for your lawyer and court fees if they lose?
This Pastor baptized these cops with knowledge of the law!
Your comment made me smile. Praise Jesus 💝
Yet they continue to sin.
He should have allowed himself to be arrested by insisting on using the megaphone to that end. If Rosa Parks didn't get arrested they couldn't have tested the constitutionality of separate but equal. To really challenge the law, you need to get arrested.
@@todddoetken2594 We all fall short of the glory of God.
A Pastor giving any kind of factual knowledge is refreshing
I saw this video. I was amazed that the officers continued to refer back to the person who had made the 911 call as if it was their complaint that was driving the interaction. Instead, the 911 call should have only been used for the police to show up and do their own research and sound level measurements. In the video the police kept on saying that but they had received a complaint. As if they were in a manufacturing facility and their goal was 0 complaints 0 defects 0 injuries. When instead they should have had the equipment to apply the Sound Ordnance law.
Except they were not there to give any tickets ..they gave the warning because she knew she didn't have the necessary meter to actually give a ticket ..the dude is lucky he didn't catch 2 charges for not ID'ing for either cop when they clearly asked for his name twice as per AZ legal statute
@@dwayneb72
Arizona is a stop and account State now? Oh, dear...
@@dwayneb72 I believe that when police arrive at a location due to a 911 call they have the duty to determine if there is any reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has been, is being, or will be committed. These police did not have the required equipment to do that. So they tried to try to tell the street preacher to turn is equipment down or off based on a previous phone call to 911 and not based on their first hand knowledge of the situation.
@@dwayneb72 Did you even watch the video, smartass..?
@@marclawyer2789 I have read that even in a stop and ID state, the police have to have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed. I would like to understand this more. I think that the difference is that in a NON stop and ID state the person has to be arrested before they are required to provide ID, and in a stop and ID state, the person does not have to be detained or arrested for the police to be able to require ID, but the police still have to have reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. In this case, the female police specifically said you need to give me your name because we have a complaint. That is not in the law.
"Don't give me the law, just give me your name." - Law Enforcement Officer
YALL EVER HEAR A 65 DECEABLE WASHING MACHINE A BLOCK OVER? YEAH ME EITHER GUY WAS VIOLATING THE NOISE LEVEL.
We had a cop show up to our apartment when we ran the vacuum cleaner at 2:00 in the afternoon. They pulled the “good cop, bad cop”routine to make the encounter more interesting. I asked what law we violated and their answer continually was “we got a complaint”. I stated that just because my neighbor doesn’t like it, it does not make my activity illegal. We went around and around and the cops got tired and finally left.
And then the majority are still saying they life in the greatest country in the world. I feel so sorry for you all.
When a Karen becomes a Police Sargent. 😬
Regardless. It looks like some Sargent's need to brush up on their laws.
@Steve Abner You'll be fine.
@Steve Abner you sit down. Spelled is not a word my friend, spelt.
@Steve Abner gigantic hypocrite right here guys
@@dominicw8868
Verb: spell (spelled, also spelt)
1. Specify or name the letters that comprise the conventionally accepted form of (a word or part of a word)
2. Orally recite the letters of or give the spelling of
Atheist here, and this man deserves to be able to exercise his free speech... bottom line.
Agreed. Even if he spews hate speech it's our right to speak openly ( even if we disagree)
Definitely hate his message but I agree
@@Taiko206 Did you watch the video at all? You seem to have missed the review of Arizona and Tempe laws regarding sound amplification devices and decibel level measurement, the supreme court rulings on use of sound amplification and other related cases.
@@Gryffyth_Aurum so then what about all these antifa/blm terrorists that use megaphones and scream at traffic?
@@654Crossman Ignoring your obvious bias, nothing changes, they are subject to the laws of the State/County/City. Same as the police are subject to following the enforcement of those laws. There is no place for your Special Pleading here.
Pastor "We will sue you" -----Cop" I dont care its not my money"
"Disorderly conduct" is what an officer falls back on when he/she knows they are wrong, they can construe anything as "disorderly conduct" just to get their way; this is why she just chose to walk away, she knew she was wrong.
yeah why was it disturbing the peace and then suddenly they throw out disorderly conduct, ridiculous.
Then they arrest you for obstruction of justice or resisting arrest the other two catch-all charges.
@@foxtayle683 catch all charges you say. When there’s thousands of cases where these charges were actually and lawfully brought. Okay then.
@@judgementgaming3270 Just as many are BS charges that should have not been brought and are usually thrown out once they get their asses handed to them by a lawyer or a judge.
@@judgementgaming3270 I think what fox meant by that is when cops are against the wall when it comes to the circumstances shifting in their ‘favor’, they use what is usually what these officers think of as ‘umbrella’ charges that are too often misconstrued or misinterpreted and very few officers have truly read AND understood what disturbing the peace TRULY means, as well as what disorderly conducts mean & obstruction … all of these have specific content & objectives that MUST be met before someone can LAWFULLY be charged with them. However, cops like this sergeant in this video is an arrogant POS who thinks citizens should now down to her. It’s those same like minded officers that throw these said charges around to make them fit their narrative; NOT what they actually are. Grant it, yes, there’s been cases that have correctly & actually been charged and sought through… but, I don’t think that’s what the initial comment was referring to. 😌
The Problem is, they don't care if citizens sue because we pay for their mistakes and mishandling of situations, them breaking laws! Etc. They don't!!! That's why these things have to be changed!!!! And they themselves need to be held accountable!!! You need to say we will go after your jobs, and do so! Because you're violating our rights!!! Because their jobs matter, We paying their Bills for their misconduct does not!!!
Take it easy on the !’s
12:00 Pastor jeff: I reject your warning. Cop: I reject the laws and substitute my own.
Great mythbusters reference
13:40 - The mayor of Tempe should strongly encourage the police chief to reprimand the sergeant for her unprofessional behavior here.
Ehhh I can’t believe I’m saying this, but she was fine.
YALL EVER HEAR A 65 DECEABLE WASHING MACHINE A BLOCK OVER? YEAH ME EITHER GUY WAS VIOLATING THE NOISE LEVEL.
@@Pie4life123 No, unless you measure with the appropriate device, and if you do, you'll find out that the cars passing by are violating it too. A car passing by at 65mph 25 feet away is 77db, and the combined traffic in a freeway is around the same at 50 feet. So everyone is violating the noise level. Unless you want to negate his first amendment rights, you have to accept him talking in a volume that's at least at the same level as the cars.
Typical female with authority..lol
@@henryhunter8068 Cars don't violate it because vehicles actually have a different section under the city code. If the cars were louder than the noise standard then he's permitted to go 5db above what they do, but any more an he's in violation. So, the cars aren't violating the noise level.
Did this officer really just say "No don't show me the law"
DonT ShoW ME THE LAW?!?!
To be fair, a piece of paper he printed out himself is just about as valid as whatever BS he's spewing out the megaphone. They definitely could have gone back to the car and looked it up in their system though. And if the supervisor had any clue, she would have brought the sound measurement device.
11:01 I can't stand those rushy stupid emotionally manipulative women (especially short fat ones) like that idiot 'oh we can oh we can' we just do what we want well you know i said so so yeah um yeah because i'm a police karen.
Pastor Jeff was NOT required to provide his full name under 13.2412. That section requires the officer to have lawfully DETAINED the person who must THEN provide their name. You didn't read the whole paragraph.
If that’s the case, A+ for Pastor Jeff
Cop: "Hello sir. There's been a complaint about the noise you're making."
Protestor: "What? I can't hear you over the defeaning sound of this busy freeway."
Cop: "I said - there's been a noise complaint!"
Protestor: "A WHAT?"
Cop: "A NOISE COMPLAINT!"
Protestor: "A NOSECONE PAINT?!"
Cop: "NOISE COMPLAINT!!!"
XD
Haha
I was thinking exactly that. All vehicles should have to follow the same 65 db limits within city limits too.
@@WolfJ It depends on how much a city prioritizes automobile traffic. For instance, Birmingham AL and Atlanta Georgia are both extremely loud cities downtown because they have urban high speed roads, but New York City, Leipzig, and Berlin (Germany) are extremely quiet cities because the roads are ludicrously narrow and drivers can barely get above 20 mph.
Leipzig, especially, is almost freakishly quiet, especially in the inner area where no automobiles whatsoever are allowed, but the road infrastructure for autos is still there.
@@WolfJ You think a city is disgusting because it selectively enforces laws. I think a city is disgusting because it prioritizes loud and polluting automobiles.
@@WolfJ Cars pollute a lot. And the faster drivers go they harder they crash,, and the higher their fuel consumption is. So that blows your argument 1 out the window.
I'm getting sick of cops saying "Yeah you didn't break any laws but this person over there was offended". Translation ="You only have rights as long as you don't offend anyone for any reason but no one cares if you are offended at the loss of basic human rights."
Welcome to the politics of the Left.
Will People vote their rights away
Bunch of karens out there...and the snitch needs to grow up.
@J You have a pretty simplistic view of the right and left. You realize most academics, scientists and philosophers are left-wing, right? This is because we use reason and intellect to guide our views on morality, education and law. Often as a result of which, we lobby for policy shown to be effective based on observation and analysis, rather than religion and that which is unable to be defined, which is the hallmark of the right wing.
@J the right is just as easily offended as the left. When people want to remove in good we trust from the motto the right is all up in arms about a war on religion when it's just keeping with seperation of church and state. When two men want to get married they get offended as they "don't think it's natural" when 1 it is and many animals exhibit homosexual behavior and 2. Who cares if it's natural neither are automobiles but everyone uses those.
"We'll file suit against you."
"Go ahead!"
She knows it won't cost her a penny either way soooo...
I love how these cops say "I know the law" or "don't show me the law". She doesn't care about being sued because the money doesn't come out of her pocket.
That's the worst part of it all. All the money comes from tax payers, instead of the officers themselves.
So is no one going to talk about how their signs said babies are killed here at a Chinese restaurant really you don't see that as racist
YALL EVER HEAR A 65 DECEABLE WASHING MACHINE A BLOCK OVER? YEAH ME EITHER GUY WAS VIOLATING THE NOISE LEVEL.
@@Pie4life123 The channel clearly states the controversy of that in the video itself, go back and listen to what Sec 20-5 states.
@@apleatherworking9952 how is that racist?
Lawsuits should come out of officers wallet. See how quickly they start verifying that they are following the law.
Amen to that.... but the US has very corrupt government... and they dont want smart officers... they want ignorant and crooked cops to use them against the ppl if it’s necessary at any given time...
A good cop wouldn’t fight against its own ppl... a dumb crazy one will just fallow its orders even if they know its wrong.. some ppl just love to harrass others for no reason...
@PrEcIs3 Gaming qualified immunity has a place to a degree but it's scope needs to be narrowed. If an officer acts in good faith believing he's doing the right thing and can prove it I have no issue. But if it's clear it was a power trip or they were just triggered than no.
@PrEcIs3 Gaming Qualified Immu9 was Invented by the Supreme Court by the Originalist Justices who are always claiming that Judges should not legislate.
They'd be walking on eggshells untill they found another profession....that would definitely weed out the "I'm just here for a paycheck or power grabbers"
@Jon Marchand have you never sued before? You actually have to have evidence. So if the officer did nothing wrong how could it be "taken advantage of"? All it would do is prevent cops from lying and cheating to get convictions.
Imagine had the supervisor shown up with a sound meter, measured the level when the pastor used his megaphone, then had him turn down the volume until the level was legal. The pastor could then mark what volume level was legal, and everyone goes on their merry ways, safe and happy. Well, except for the Karen who called in the noise complaint...
Is it measured from the device or the location complainant. If the complaint came from someone image the building, would you measure it there?
Except for the poor people going to the abortion clinic and being harassed by pastor Jeff who has previously stated that women should be executed for having abortions- they also wouldn't be safe and happy.
@@obcane3072 it needs to be measured at the location of the building. thats what the channel got kinda wrong.
The cop " I've read all that"
Yeaaaaaaa suuuuure u did
She probably failed in school so became a cop then went downhill from there.
We all know cops can't read.
But did you comprehend it? Written English comprehension doesn't seem to be something you should put on your resume.
If she states that she has read the law then qualified immunity would cease to exist.
He probably did, and he probably forgot -- those things happen
When a cop blatantly disregards the law they no longer have qualified immunity.
But then the department investigates itself and finds no wrongdoing so it's back on.
Um what about the fact that he was wrong
@@apleatherworking9952 he wasn't wrong, its freedom of speech.
Immunity = standing army = occupied USA
BLM may not be so crazy after all
@@fortifarse Doesn't matter what the police rule in their own favor. When the case goes to court and the video shows the REFUSAL to check what the law says, the police will have to pay out
Really like how this Pastor interacted.
That SGT was unprofessional and undeserving of her leadership position
She’s a woman
So is no one going to talk about how their signs said babies are killed here at a Chinese restaurant really you don't see that as racist. Yeah I would call the cops if I saw 30 people outside a restaurant chantting the Asians are killing and feeding you babies at this restaurant
YALL EVER HEAR A 65 DECEABLE WASHING MACHINE A BLOCK OVER? YEAH ME EITHER GUY WAS VIOLATING THE NOISE LEVEL.
@@apleatherworking9952 it's an abortion clinic.
@@Sunokanse no he stayed just far enough away from the clinic because they have a restraining order. They stood outside a restaurant not the clinic they were at least 400 yards away
I was arrested ten years ago on 9 11 bullhorning in Colorado Springs for the same thing and beat the charge for the same reason. The police needed a recently calibrated noise meter.
The Sergeant is the perfect example of Afirmative Action!!!
Don't forget the Supervisor was also name-dropping, likely in an attempt to legitimize her presence, authority, and warning. Super unpro.
I'm a law officer, "don't give me the law!"
Go home, grandpa, you're done playing cop.
I read this as Stan from South Park.
The pastor looks like the antagonist from Far Cry 5
I think folks should know that, sadly, many City PDs do NOT require their officers to take an oath to the Constitution.
An oath to the constitution is not required for the laws of our constitution to apply. Criminals never willingly accept our laws.
@@icecold9511 An oath to the laws of our constitution is required if you are enforcing them.
@@Tristan02539 that's the thing, the cops are enforcing statue, policies, codes, that should be in line with the U.S. constitution, but often times these things are not in line with the constitution, and many citizens that don't research don't have a clue
Interesting point
Supervisor is flexing for no reason.
This is a perfect example. Always stand up for yourself. This is a man of god not backing down. Love it.
That is exactly what the 9/11 terrorist said too they are men of god not backing down. Clearly great company
@@genestarwind4610 there is a clear difference between a man with a message not backing down and a mass murderer not backing down.
@@jake96ization ? Mass muderer?
None in this video. Except the preacher spreading false information
@@genestarwind4610 last I checked there weren't any 9/11 terrorists in this video either, so I guess we're talking about the same guys. And anyone who would suggest that simply spreading an idea can be likened to mass murder is obviously driven by empty ideology.
@@jake96ization Ideas are 100% deadly. Actions are premediated by ideas. We know that because we have incitement of violence laws.
The Preacher is pushing false ideas and lies to cause incitement. Dozens of extremist get pushed at planned parenthoods. Killing doctors and nurses.
I disagree with the F for the Sargent. I'd say C. Because from what she, she's dealt with them before and was keeping it short and simple.
2:58... he’s not detained, so not true. Doesn’t have to say his name
@TonyElbows Channel posted it a 2:32 then IGNORED the entire context.
“When lawfully detained” and “after being advised that refusal to answer is unlawful” both seem to mean he doesn’t need it identify to the original officer.
If you download any one of the many free DB meters for a smart phone, you will see that 65 DB is very low (I work with sound). Standing at the curb toward traffic, the meter will read from 72 to 88+. So the law is a little silly in that 65 DB amplification will not get you much and as the article pointed out, most amplification is much higher than that. I have held my hand fully out in a crowd to keep people with megaphones from putting it right by my ear in causing permanent hearing damage. But the law being, POTENTIALLY, unconstitutional has nothing to do with its enforcement. Until a ruling it is the law. All that being said, I am glad that they have a specified way of measuring the sound in the law as sound levels are influenced by emotion.
Maybe it's 65db over the background noise level?
65db is nothing...a lot of high end PCs with powerful fans can get that loud.
@@RoaringOrange That would be my argument. Otherwise the law doesn't make sense.
Its 65dB at the place of the complaint, which is probably pretty far away. Of course, the background noise could be higher than that, in which case yes the law is shite.
The sound being POTENTIALLY above 65db should have the same result.
This is one of my favorite interactions of all your videos and another one that does similar videos.
He cannot turn a lawful act into suspicion.
Sort of. It would be very reasonable to suspect the noise ordinance is being being broken and therefore launch an investigation. Part of the investigation would be requiring a name, as well as measuring the sound with an approved device. Not giving a name when you're reasonably suspected of a crime, is in itself a crime.
So, while he cannot be charged violating the noise ordinance until a measuring device is used, it is not required that he be charged with a crime to ask for his name, only that he's suspected of committing one.
@@JohnTaylor5675
As was stated, that it was a local ORDINANCE therefore breaking it is not a crime, therefore asking him to ID is unlawful, just a ruse to get him in the police computer and mess with his life. A complaint is not reasonable suspicion, just a basis to act from, not assume the truth of, any action being done.
@@JohnTaylor5675 Probably only in AZ as the law is a bit different. But a decent lawyer could make the claim due to them not having the meter etc. He would toss the failure to Identify. He also said Pastor Jeff so reasonably they could check the church website and have his name in a few clicks.
@@sheldon2417 you are applying the “probable cause” standard to ”reasonable suspicion” RAS only requires facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe criminal activity may be occurring. ATA himself articulates how anyone speaking above a normal conversational level could be over the city ordinance limit. Someone using a megaphone would easily give RAS that the “crime” is occurring.
This is why the SGT clucked around like a rooster and barked like a dog but never did anything under the law...she didn’t have probable cause the violation actually occurred.
Sure they can. The police have a heck of a lot of latitude in this area, and the courts seem to usually back them up based solely on their say-so. Technically, you are right...I'm talking about reality.
The funniest part is how they claim they are going to arrest him if he continues yet walk off and leave while he continues using the amp. Not only are the officers incompetent, they also won't even follow through with their unlawful threats.
Because I think they knew deep down that he was engaged in a lawful activity of free speech. So they didn’t arrest him.
Because if she followed they would have been sued.
Or they were bluffing case they knew the law would not be on their side in a court of law costing the city money. Just because someone is a cop does not mean they are right. Funny how this did not get the attention of the defund the police crowd. Why is that??
“Yeah but I was called here.”
This is where most officers brains just go to mush. They’re hardwired to believe that because of the fact that they were called out to a place this means they MUST get ID’s and nothing can stop them from doing that. No matter what. It’s kinda funny. Also kinda scary sometimes.
I like how this officer is given the guys first name, the fact he is a pastor, and the church he is a pastor at, and even with all of that information, he could not think of a way to figure out his identity. Pretty sure I just found out his first and last name and it took me about 2 minutes (literally just have to search apologia church tempe az). it is crazy, apparently churches have websites with staff information on it, if only our police had similar investigative skills lol.
You'll be alright with that investigation until it's twins or triplets involved lol.
Ryan Childers In which case, how would having his last name help?
@@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut I don't think it ever would a pastor isn't someone that commits crimes and goes and preaches in public activists for the Constitution will always have my support
I worked it out. He's the support to James White on Alpha and Omega broadcasts, which I enjoy greatly. He's a fellow martial artist I believe, although I only have two 3rd Dans but that was another life.
@@ryanchilders7449 you're joking right? Most religious pastors break the law all the time, including abusing children.
ATA I appreciate your videos, your knowledge, your fairness and your priority to audit the life circumstances we so desire. Lol you also have a great "radio" voice. Love and respect.
It's a pitch shifted younger person. Check out some of the older videos for the real voice.
She knew she was wrong, just gave a warning and never came back. Weak
911 call during the day because of noise?! That would be a Karen
lol... A feminist Karen
The caller she have been given a summons, for calling 911,
So is no one going to talk about how their signs said babies are killed here at a Chinese restaurant really you don't see that as racist
YALL EVER HEAR A 65 DECEABLE WASHING MACHINE A BLOCK OVER? YEAH ME EITHER GUY WAS VIOLATING THE NOISE LEVEL.
@@apleatherworking9952 they're at an abortion clinic
From a technical perspective the dB(A) corresponds to a sound pressure reading on a scale weighted to what a human ear percieved.
The only detail is that is missing is the distance of the sound pressure measurement.
At the source the sound pressure is the highest and at each doubling of distance from the source results in a 6dB drop in sound pressure (approximately a halfing in the percieved volume).
So depending on the distance of the taken measurement the dB(A) will vary greatly. Even a human speaking up close can go above 80 dB.
The law should state the distance or location of the measurement to insure a proper consistent reading.
65db seems awfully quiet doesnt it? lawn equipment is significantly louder than 65db so does that mean mowing your grass is illegal?
@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou
Exactly great question.
65 dB from 3-4 feet away would make any lawnmower illegal, but if its 65dB from 50+ ft away seems more reasonable.
The question is where is the measurement made in relation to the source of noise this vastly changes the law and a lack of an answer can lead to misuse and abuse.
"Dont give me the law" - Law enforcement
"don't give me the law, just give me ur name"
That's a glorious beard, regardless of the outcome
The RUclips page for Apologia sells, or advertises beard products. No joke.
@@Sunokanse lol thanks for the info
Ahaha. I was wondering if the beard had any rights.
yeh that dude seems like an arrogant asshole but there's no arguing, he definitely has a glorious beard.
@@ihateusernamesgrrr how in the world does he seem arrogant? This is the most humble, knowledgeable guy I've seen in a long time.
Reasonable suspicion of a crime, not reasonable suspicion. They have to suspect you of committing a crime and have to reasonably articulate that crime.
Reasonable suspicion alone is way too vague and subjective
He said "Don't give me the Law" Typical Fake Cop. Then when he showed the so called sergeant LAWS, She acted like a Vampire seeing the Holy Cross
I'd love to see a law that states any time a cop tells someone "I know the law" and ends up getting sued, the cop is not only 100% on the hook for the settlement and all legal costs, but any motions to grant qualified immunity be denied.
Obviously, I'd love to see this law applied to all cops in every case, but I'm ok with baby stepping our way there.
City code 20-5 is great but 20-6 is absolutely terrible. You can't even run a washing machine outdoors? And in other zones you can't even have a normal conversation? Terrible.
I like how you separated the message from the medium. Well done maintaining objectivity.
I think it's fair to say the likelihood that, as Pastor Jeff said, the complainant had not separated the message from the medum is high. It was a highly commercial area on a busy thoroughfare and the person who complained clearly was not upset by noise, rather was most certainly offended by the actual content within the "noise."
An officer can always ask for your ID it’s just you have the right to refuse
Exactly
You have the right to refuse i͟f the officer does not have reasonable suspicion of unlawful conduct.
Brown v. Texas
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada
Lawson v. Kolender (9th Circuit Court of Appeals)
@@americanlegaldefense7789 yes, that was the context of my comment
Until the block you from leaving/stick a foot in your door/not answer when you ask if you are detained/make up bullshit “crimes”.
It’s ok, just bend the fuck over. You can fight your case in court, while burning your money, and they laugh all the way to the bank!
@@MiLKSOP
_"The application of Tex. Penal Code Ann., Tit. 8, 38.02 (1974), to detain appellant and require him to identify himself violated the Fourth Amendment _*_because the officers lacked any reasonable suspicion to believe appellant was engaged or had engaged in criminal conduct._*_ Accordingly, appellant may not be punished for refusing to identify himself, and the conviction is reversed."_ *𝘽𝙧𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙫. 𝙏𝙚𝙭𝙖𝙨*
_"I͟f there are articulable facts supporting a reasonable suspicion that a person has committed a criminal offense, that person may be stopped in order to identify him."_ *𝙃𝙖𝙮𝙨 𝙫. 𝙁𝙡𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙙𝙖*
Apologia is pronounced like apology but -gia instead of gy haha great video as usual! I’m really glad i found this channel
Love the way Pastor went about this
Perfect, a cop saying ‘Don’t give me a law’?!
I deeply enjoy your channel, the first video I watched I was on a matching the cops kick watching Bad Cop videos, however after watching several of your own videos I have found that the way you produce your video makes me far more informed and understand interactions in different states much better than just through bad cop bad
“You can’t do that”
“Yeah we can”
Well, no... you can’t.
Cops enforcing UNJUST laws are the quickest way to sow distrust between “law” enforcement and its citizens.
"Don't give me the law, I need your name." Great standards
great job keep up the good work man
I thought the pastor did an awesome job. He stood up for his rights, knew his rights and talked clearly without anger. I have no doubt he's a great pastor and his congregation should be proud of him.
GETS AND F!!!! She sure should get an F. What a poor person to have as a seargent.
Good job done by Pastor Jeff. Officer Petunia tried intimidating him with her position, and he basically told her to go kick rocks, and continued with what he was doing.
2 :20 he was correct about the identification laws he gets an a+ "for someone who was lawfully detained for reasonable suspicion of a crime" they could not articulate any crime
Yeah, Audit the Audit kind of skipped over that part, didn't he? No reasonable suspicion of a crime = No ID. There was no crime here, so the pastor was basically correct.
@@90gdv i meant to say that he wast detained but .. you know i get to typing and half my thoughs become mia... your correct thanks for pointing that out
I hope they sued her.
Abolish qualified immunity, unions, the FOP and force cops to individually obtain liability insurance.
I always watch his street preaching. He’s good
It’s important to point out that the decibel scale is logarithmic in nature. This means that from 60 to 64 dB this represents a 10^4 increase in sound intensity, so it’s not entirely accurate to say it is “just” above normal conversation levels.
“Reasonable Suspicion” of WHAT !!!! The officer made it clear that no law had been broken and was fishing and harassing .. “Officer” - I understand the city code, and I don’t need to be bothered with anything the Supreme Court rules ...
Reasonable suspicion of creating excessive noise
@@mikezayachkowski462 but said officer admitted he had no device to substantiate that claim .
Sound amplification. It was stated pretty clearly and often...
@@doozowings4672 65 decibels is just over a normal conversation. The officer wouldn’t have the evidence needed to convict, but the pastor was clearly braking the code.
@@robv5834 I agree with you that there was “sound amplification” but where we disagree is that the courts have set a specific level that must be measured . That’s the legal catch, the word “measured” .
You can tell the Sargent abuses her authority alot. She clearly doesn't care about the law or the people, only about her position of power.
If law enforcement is going to enforce the law…then the least they could do is know the law. 😮
I seriously would like to see them sue the department for lack of evidence on the noise complaint.
The officers didn't want that lawsuit so they didn't even try to cuff him.
Welcome to Audit the Audit where we sort out the who and what and the right and wrong
Of police interactions🤣
Where most of these people would be fine if they just told the cops their name but instead they have to make a HUGE deal for literally no reason.
@@zeke7100 brush up on your Rights. Be 🐑 & conform & loose your rights.
@@zeke7100 infringing on civil rights is a big deal
@@zeke7100 It's called an "Audit" for a reason. Otherwise you'd be watching Cops.
right on pastor. !!!!
9:59 When you expect a supervisor with more education and you end up I have a public servant much more ignorant and super, super super tyrant. A shame! F-
That's Jeff from Apologia Studios!! I watch him.
It doesnt matter the message. It doesnt matter if you agree with it or not. The 1st amendment is absolute.
Cop says, "Dont give me the law."
Who wants to be confused with that stuff....
I had always assumed police officers had to know the law in order to enforce it.
So you’re saying, we have no more freedom