Natalia Abrosimova - Why is the Number of Finno-Ugric Peoples Decreasing?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- According to the census, there are 9,614 “other” Finno-Ugric people living in Estonia: Erzyas, Mokshas, Udmurts, Komis, Karelians, Maris, Hungarians, Finns, Ingrians, and many others. Overall, there are around 25 million Finno-Ugrians in the world. Still, the number of those who speak Finno-Ugric languages keeps declining, says doctor Natalia Abrosimova of the Tallinn University School of Humanities.
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Save the Uralic people!
I'm finnish and i understood almost everything
Laa Laa well, she spoke estonian, so yea
Good for you, unfortunately hungarian has changed too much :(
@@sectorgovernor Especally cos Hungarians are not Finno-Ugric. And Hungarian changed very little, u can still read the ancient texts. Hungarians are Scythians just look up the recent genetic resarch however they lived close proximity with other Uralic people that's why there are similarities so as with many other nations / languages. This Finno-Ugric concept is a relatively recent "invention" it served propaganda reasons (18th century as far as I know)
More on this u can find under MTI website:
ruclips.net/video/cQLrktkhCTI/видео.html (german)
ruclips.net/video/HSwSX5di5yg/видео.html (hungarian)
or more on the genetic resarch in Hungarian from another channel:
ruclips.net/video/ROW6W85esnI/видео.html
or more from Scythians, Huns and Magyars from our embassador in Mongolia -
Obrusánszky Borbála:
ruclips.net/video/V-ftYDf3fOY/видео.html
Please take the time to listen her videos and U will see that what u have learned in the past from our nation is not true, just propaganda. However this doesn't mean that we are not firends or related to each other.
@@adamcsillag6058 Also The origin of finns is uncertain. Propably they came from somewhere south to Finland and adopted The language because making trade was easier.
You can read The book "ppl of The 5 seas" written by Risto Isomäki.
@@cinderellaandstepsisters Yes I heard the same there were some connection with the neighboring Scythian empire, they needed metals which they can mine in the north (Ural). Perhaps the similarities in language and culture comes from this connection (trade or conquest).
So we are not relatives to each other, we probably were neighbors however.
Greetings to everyone from Ingria!
Hyvvää päivää kaigille! Saotkaa hyviä sanoja! Say good words! Hyvä sana kiven lohkoo. A good word will crush (divide) the stone.
Not Ingria, this is slavic land, ours, not yours
@@user-bv1sr4rb1t our ancestors lived here over 3300 years! Izhorian, Votian and Vepsian. And Karelian from common root. Baltic Slavs settled in VIII century, but Muscovites came to east Ingria in XVI century. To western and central Ingria only under Peter I
I love the finno-ugric people. While Indoeuropeans centered their views on conquering other lands and other peoples, Finno-uric people believed in a peaceful communion with nature. Despite this, Finno-Ugric peoples have survived.
not really that peaceful
They really werebt peaceful
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@@timokalmu281 compared with indoeuropeans they werr
@@Federation1323 especially Hungarians but also others (like Finnish and Karelian "taxation of Sami" : "Birkarls were an organization of Finnish and Swedish merchants and peasants who held a monopoly for trading and taxation of Sami. Every able-bodied Sami man was required to fish and trap his annual quota for the Birkarls. Sometimes Birkarls would also take Sami women as concubines. ")
Love Finnic, Ugric and Uralic people from EGYPT👑 So sad to see these lovely people dying because of genocidal Russification.
@samemmo1526 Take it hard 👆
Please? Elaborate... What do you mean genocidal?
I'm an American Dutch-Irish Hungarian. Little is shared about my roots, or rarely spoken of regarding specifics, and I'd like to hear as many accounts as possible.
English and others is also the biggest killer of languages ,at school as a old norse norrerna york yorvik was the Norse Capital ancestry we were forced to speak English and slapt if we did not and Irish people were oppressed and UK sow seeds of conflict ,norse and Irish were pushed off and we went to iceland we trade with friisian could not go to university and our land was stolen by US in Japan you can not go to university if you do not speak English
Somebody should say it to you guys 😂 your language changed to arabic
@@persianwarrior8633 Ha... Don't be silly... It's been around before Arabic tadpoles crawled outta the primordial ooze ..
Super disrespectful btw ....
Like a kid pointing a finger laughing hahahahaha you're going extinct because my people spread like the plague....
Ironically, bout as bad as first language English speakers in that aspect...
God bless estonia♥️♥️♥️🇪🇪
We should learn to promote each other. When someone needs to hire to a job, choose a finno-ugric-uralic person. Same with everything else, from housing, medical care, grades in school. Our people first. Living in several countries throughout my life I have learned one thing. Their is no fair competition it's all about who you know. Finno-ugric-uralic people must learn how to cheat. That's what everyone else do. We must build a network around the world that help each other. We should learn by the Jewish community they are extremely good at helping each other. Finally make babies.
I think honest people should stick to their honesty. Who ever they are. Enough cheating in this world. Better disappear, holding true to your values than become corrupt and sell-out
Finno-ugric-uralic people first
Save our people. Too many of us have been lost in history. The remaining people and cultures must thrive ❤
it's sad that these people want to abandon their culture and intermarry. i hope they can stop and find a way to bind together.
Intermarriage is not a problem. The problem is that kids are raised in bigger culture. If they were always raised in the smaller one, no culture would die
Simple solution, have more Babies, teach, and speak the Karelian, Permic, Saami Languages to the Kids.
Is not that simple when you don't have much money
@@emeraldlyon288 Is not that simple when the will of Moscow is against minorities. Money is not important at all.
@@madaraszi >> True
@@madaraszi What did you mean please give me more details.
@@madaraszi mind your fucking buisness . Moscow is not against any minorities it is against separatism .
And let's not forget Samoyed languages either. They are suffering very same fate.
Nenets numbers are growing, because they are dedicated to their culture, unlike some others.
Mon Erza!!!!
Sumbrat! Kortatano Erzaks :)
Not gloablism, but communism and russification have always been the greatest threats that the finno-ugric people haved faced.
Those outfit are beautiful they loke like north africa berber outfit !! Wish you the best from berber people
I'll sign up to keep your people in existence.
This is the result of aggressive russification. Finno-Ugric people living in Russia need to ignore the Russian language. Don't use it. For people these nationalities, move to the sparsely populated areas of Finland and Canada.
and be the victim of americanization :D
just stop fighting progression... i don't think cultures are meant to be same and stagnant, but evolve over time.
You have fear mindset... that's bad for national cohesion and on a personal level too..
Can we also blame Scandinavians too? The Swedish were especially forceful on the Finns that only in rural parts do you see traditional Finnish culture. Unfortunately media always portrays Finnish as riding on the tailcoats of the Nordics when they are completely different.
if they want to preserve their culture, they should not move to Canada. The second generation will forget their ancestors.
@@Microphunktv-jb3kj When you have something precious, you want to protect it.
Just because you don't have the grapes, doesn't mean that they are sour, friend.
Where did you see aggressive russification??? Policy is the same in all republics in Russia, yet in some their local ethnic groups are going strong, like Tatars or Sakha, and in others they are assimilating. The difference is in attitude of people themselves
На примере марийцев могу сказать, что они сами не заботятся о своём наследии. Даже моя бабушка, чистокровная марийка, иногда говорила: "марийский язык? Марийцы? Да кому все они нужны?" Они сами не видят смысла в своём существовании в качестве марийцев.
Все, кого это заботит, являются лишь небольшой группой энтузиастов. При таком отношении к себе марийцев ждёт судьба ливов
More people coming together under a common language is a good thing
@@dylanmurphy9389 No, people need to value their heritage more because diversity of cultures is better than a large mass of people who have forgotten their roots
@@zoutepindas6128 Having awareness at the very least of our lineage and history is definitely necessary I believe.
I definitely offers a sense of pride.
Being American, My Great Grandma was the one to make the journey. Makes me fourth generation😉
For the vast cultural melting pot that America "prides" themselves to be, it's quite tribal, and based on the most immature and shallow features. Wtf is race any way?
Oh human, lol ..
I despise that it is not a bigger deal.
Skin color is the most ignorant thing to argue about and the most basic buns to throw us in ..
Can you imagine how interesting times like now would be, if we all knew our own history like from Grandma to mom to daughter and so on ...
Some people say they were born in the wrong era and wanna live in the 20s or 60s...
I wanna go back to a time before the skisms and forced conversion.
I'd love to know more about the more ancient mundane...
I ranted, not sure I had a point let alone making one. LoL 🍻♥️😉
The newest russian census shows that the languages east of the Urals are growing and those in Europe are dieing
Descendants of the Northern Mermaids🧜♂🧜♀
Shes bueatiful
You are gorgeous.
You are American.
You are a meat popsicle.
If Estonia discriminates Russian-speakers it doesn't mean that Finno-Ugric people are discriminated in Russia 🤣🤣🤣. I'm Erzyan and never faced with a discrimination from any Russian. I faced some aggressive reactions from Ukrainians or Tartars but Russians always see us as equal people (most of them even don't believe that we are not Slavic 🤣🤣🤣)
I've never before heard any russian finno-ugrian say that
It's a lie.
@@nanao7008 I am a Russian and half Mordvin Momi and Udmurt. I am also an American citizen. All of you speak complete bs with "racism an that of kind tripe". RUSSIANS VIEW THEM AS RUSSIAN
Many Finno-Ugric people with Y-DNA Haplogroup N are genetically closely related to East Asians eg Chinese, Koreans (who predominantly have Haplogroup O, which split off from Haplogroup NO). In fact the Chinese and Koreans are genetically more closely related to Finns and Estonians than the neighbouring Mongolians (who have Haplogroup C instead). Hello to my Finno-Ugric brothers and sisters :)
MANY haplogroups found in Europe originate from Siberia and Eastern Asia. But haplogroups aren't good to determine genetic distances of peoples. They used to do that when genetic research was expensive. Modern researches use whole DNA because now there's lots of data available, and you get quite different results.
Lemme give you an example of the problem. A Chinese man moves into France and marries a French woman. According to their Y-DNA and MtDNA haplogroups, their son is Chinese and daughter is French. Of course that's not the case: both of them are Chinese-French. If the future children of the original family stay in France 10 000 years and continuosly marry French people, and if the male line stays alive, then after that time the boys' Y-DNA still shows they are Chinese, even though they have all the time married to French girl and you can't tell them from other French people: the 1st son had 50% Chinese DNA, the second generation had 25% and so on. A haplogroup is a microscopic part of the DNA which has low chance of mutation and is inherited as a group: thus it's handy to trace maternal and paternal lineages.
One funny result using haplogroups is, a population might look like their women would come Spain and their men from Iran. Well, naturally that's not so, and it never was so. Of course these people always married different people from different (probably very near) places. It's just that those haplogroups had spread there.
And one needs to always look at the phylogenetic tree, as it's not just one single haplogroup, it has several branches that fork from the tree with mutating subclades. If the branches fork early... then there is really nothing much of the relation left. If the branches have recently forked, like within a few centuries, then there might be something. When we're talking about millenias... these haplogroups spread VERY wide (continents wide) and they don't represent any sort of relationship with these people any longer. It's not a good tool for it, but RUclips video makers don't get it.
What it is good tool though, is tracing back numerous generations, for the reason that there is little change in the haplogroup, and these changes are being recorded. So you can track where people carrying that haplogroup have moved. Somewhat. It gets really difficult millenias back, as there are very few DNA samples going so far, and you're also missing many mutations. When they go millenias back, it's often hard to name even the continent where the maternal or paternal line started. In many cases it's still wild guesswork and there's competing opinions.
Take R1b Y-DNA haplogroup for example. It first appeared about 25 000 years ago in Central Asia. Now it is very common in formerly Celtic region Euope: Ireland, Scotland, Western France, Northern Spain and so on. It's also very common in Central Africa. It's not very common in Middle-East, but the Middle-East and Central Africa branch is actually the same branch, and it is an older branch than the European one. Well, are these Central Asian, Middle-Eastern, Central African and Western European peoples close cousins? They really are not.
You know it kinda makes sense many scandinavians have those weird looking eyes take the blonde singer from ABBA or Greta Thunberg as example, nordics might as well be tall fair asians without monolids
Are you all east asians that stupid?
First of all finns and estonians are genetically very far away of east asians.
N1c1 is haplogroup what can only be find in europa and its mutation happened in europe too so it is european haplogroup.
Nobody has ever had any evidence of connection with finns and east asians, there has only said that finns would have tiny amount of east EURASIAN admixture which is totally different thing than east asian.
Y dna haplogroup doesnt really tell anything about your genetics, you can be very black african and still have so called european haplogroup.
I am Finno-Ugric from Kotlas.
why is hungary in that group only in langues not genetic dna they very close to iranian people and some komis
Is this not the place where Encino Man was from, ohhh what was his name? Link ,yea thats it. Lincovich Chomovsky.
Because they got no townships.
вы чЁЁЁЁ? онас вспрмнили?????европейцы??????
Kommentoin suomeksi.
There are also Finno-Ugric muslims among tatars...search mishari Tatars...many old Muslim Graves are in Mari,mordovin,ugric language
Guys just have more sex and children. Your greed is why your going down. You won't spend money on children. This issue is universal fit all modern industrialized countries.
@Darcy lol
Libiesi?
Blá blá blá
По внешности, национальному костюму, песням - вы настоящие русские. Или обратно - русские это угро-финны. Простите, но для меня это открытие. Никакие они не славяне.
русские - это не угро-финны. просмотрите геннетические исследования - в открытом доступе результаты. не путайте пожалуйста, паспорт (россиян, принадлежность к гос-ву) с этносом.
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