Deleuze & Guattari's "Anti Oedipus" (Ch. 3/4)
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Link to Patreon (for those whom can afford it): / theoryandphilosophy In this episode, I take a stab at the 3rd (of 4) chapters from Anti-Oedipus. It is in this chapter that they present a historical overview of Oedipus' retroactive intervention in every epistemic paradigm. To this intervention, they charge that Oedipus is but a stranger in those fields, unable to actually present a meaningful solution to the apparent 'problems' found in those fields.
I often find you’re able to explain these concepts clearly when I am not so I’ll be sharing this with others trying to get their head around d&g, thank you
Happy to hear it!
Thank you so much for this work, it has been extremely useful in the process of engaging with D&G. Can you do Difference and Repetition too?
Could you please explain this part with an example or something:
"Thus the three segments of the ever widening capitalist reproduction process are
joined, three segments that also define the three aspects of its immanence: (1) the
one that extracts human surplus value on the basis of the differential relation
between decoded flows of labor and production, and that moves from the center
to the periphery while nevertheless maintaining vast residual zones at the center;
(2) the one that extracts machinic surplus value, on the basis of an axiomatic of
the flows of scientific and technical code, in the "core" areas of the center; (3)
and the one that absorbs or realizes these two forms of surplus value of flux by
guaranteeing the emission of both, and by constantly injecting antiproduction
into the producing apparatus. Schizophrenization occurs on the/periphery, but it
occurs at the center and at the core as well."
I think my grasp of this part is not right.
Thanks in advance.
Don't get me wrong, I love your little surveys of D&G's texts, and I always learn something new from a different angle that each new reading of D&G's texts brings about, but wouldn't you agree that reading D&G starting with their most complicated work (Difference and Repetition and Capitalism & Schizophrenia books) carries in itself a danger of misunderstanding or even not understanding them at all, or, what is even worse, of falling prey to lines of flight that end up in a black hole, like Nick Land's or those of his epigones (Justin Murphy, who is doing to Deleuze what Nazis did to Nietzsche)? I know that that's the rhizomatic way, starting from the middle, like a blade of grass, but there is a danger that young readers, who are usually breastfed by some different planes of consistency, may think that D&G pulled their concepts, forgive my French, right out of their arses, saying this is POMO, this is continental jargon, etc., and completely miss the fact that every D&G's concept is fully immanent. And not only young readers, but Zizek also, he is for example (ruclips.net/video/2rzMkvf1Ess/видео.html somewhere around the second hour) trying to explain Hegel through Deleuze, but still wants to burn (literally) Capitalism and Schizophrenia books!
D&G are themselves, in their book on Kafka, looking for a way to enter Kafka's oeuvre, which is itself a rhizome (or a burrow), and they decided to enter it through a picture on a wall in a saloon from Kafka's novel Amerika, a picture of a worker with a bended back. My recommendation for entering the D&G rhizome/burrow, after I myself have had made the same mistake of beginning to read Deleuze from his grand oeuvre, Difference and Repetition, would exactly be to start with the book on Kafka, which is a great precursor for the Capitalism & Schizophrenia books. One can also start with Deleuze's book on Proust (the second edition with the appendix from 70-ies). A third way would be to read them like a newspaper, from the last page, the book What is Philosophy? Later, when you fall in love with D&G, you can start "geneaologising"; Guattari's own work (especially Transversality…), Simondon's two books, etc., and discovering the real fundaments of their concepts...
Anyway, T&P, this is by no means against that what you are doing. Keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to your next vid/read!
I fully fully fully agree and have a real reason as to why I have avoided that stuff: given their complexity, I've been looking for people willing to come and talk to me about them to little or no avail (aside from ATP). I'm happy that you put those concerns out there because they will make me more vigilant against espousing such views!
I too was reminded of Zizek at that point. :-) Although in general I like the guy.
I love your videos on D & G. I have a bunch of questions on your project as i feel drawn to this book in this time of upheaval. Thank you.
When I started reading D&G I had read Spinozas Ethics quite thoroughly, and then moved on to What Is Philosophy, and I would say that was great a great start (and I could imagine that his books on Kafka, Proust and maybe Nietzsche and Spinoza, could be a good entrance as well). Then I started reading anti-oedipus and found myself very confused - and in desperation I took some time off and read Freud and Lacan. Diving into psychoanalysis as I did was perhaps not really necessary (or at least not to the extent I did), but at least I learned quite a lot!
I have two questions one about the fact that they consequently turn back and say in the first phase incest is impossible and I kinda can follow their reasoning that there is no relationship with the title of the person but the person. However, I'm not sure if my grasp of it is correct or not. And also how the concept of incest in the second phase becomes an process of the despot that part is a bit vague. And how does social repression and psychic repression are deciphered from one another? I mean when we are talking about the desiring machine which is a generator machine in itself could we pinpoint the exact instance where and source which is the initiator behind all these flowing desiring that are getting produced or not? I'm reading the book along with these videos and they're really helpful keep up the good work.
Good job. Thanks.
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