So, we got a phone call at 11pm last night from the elderly woman next door. Her furnace isn’t coming on, and she’s had an HVAC pro there, who couldn’t check on a replacement motor until the morning. BTW, the temperature overnight was in the single digits. I was able to pull the inducer out and take it apart, *100% thanks to this video* (especially the part about the fan blade being molded on - I would’ve destroyed the thing otherwise). Instead, disassembled the motor housing, got a few drops of WD-40 into both bearings, and it spins like a dream. You, sir, are the man! P.S. The HVAC guy called her back this morning and wouldn’t have been able to get a replacement for at least a month.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. This Jakel motor is the same as found in many Carrier furnaces, such as mine. When my motor began making the high pitched noises, I suspected the bearing were going bad. Since your detailed dissection of this motor that showed the location and construction of the bearings, I was able to drip lubricating oil onto the bearings which has quieted the unit for now. At the very least, this buys me some time to look for a replacement motor. Your sharing of your experience is very much appreciated - thanks again!
Thank you for this video, I did as you said and punched the blower fan and the shaft out, replaced the bearings and I used some jbweld to make sure the armature was not slipping on the shaft since after removal it was slightly loose, same with the bearings i job welded the bearings aswell, used some motor oil in the bearings and after a few shouts of breaking in it’s been working beautifully!
I just finished repairing a motor on a york unit. Once I took the motor cover off I found the ball bearings were froze up. I took the assembly out and was able to use a bearing knife to remove the bearing. Although I took the fan apart as you did, I was unable to figure how to take the fan off the shaft. I wanted to access the other bearing, but couldn't get to it. Fortunately I had a new bearing in stock, got the unit up and going, but... I got the same error from the control board, said a pressure switch malfunctioned. I checked the pressure on the rubber hoses, nothing. After thinking about it, I realized the motor was going the wrong direction. I took the motor apart again, flipped the shaded pole coil assembly over, put it back together, and the motor ran the correct direction, have heat again! I did the repair before finding your video, just wanted to find other peoples experiences. Jim
Happy I came across your video. I was not having noise, it just was real hard to turn. I got out the hair blower, went to heat it up, decided to pound on those pegs, it came apart easy, looked in the holes, looked like bunched up rubber bands. That gasket had come off, wound up inside under the fan. Used a scratch awl and small needle nose, pulled it all out. Works like a charm!!
Thanks for sharing, the interest of digging into a cost effective repair was great. Me and many with the mechanical ability to fix instead of waste thanks you
I solved the bearing wear problem in my new one. I put a computer cooling fan blowing on the motor drawing outside air in to keep it cool, as it is the heat that destroys the bearing.
Good info. If you were to put it back together it's also important to mention to put a new bead of silicone around the bead to seal carbon monoxide leaks.
I have one that just crapped out on me. I took it apart and temporarily fixed the first bearing by filling the sealed bearing with Vaseline because it was dry as bone until my new one comes in. I know Vaseline isn’t the answer it’s just a bandage because it’s cold in my house and now I’ll be toasty for couple days waiting on the new motor! Cheers thanks for the video
I followed this but used a drift without taking any bolts apart like he said, had to set it up with support and had a hand pulling fan down while beat it out from above. mushroomed it a bit but easily filed that off. Bought an 8 pack of quality 608 ABEC-9(highest quality) skateboard wheel bearings for $20 on line after spending $120 for a new inducer motor. For the second time in 9 years ( brand new carrier). Now I have a backup for the next time it goes with real bearings. Make sure to pop the seals and grease the bearings, there are videos on how to do it. Thanks Mr.Butler! Oh and take a picture of it so you know where the wires go.
See the video description. I gave up on replacing the bearings, and replaced the entire assembly. Now the furnace purrs like a kitten. If it happens again, I would definitely attempt to replace the bearings now that I know how to go about it.
@William Butler, Were both bearings damaged on your fan or was only one. My fan's shaft finally seized up when the outer bearing (furthermost from the fan) totally failed! When I disassembled the motor, I found that the inner bearing next to the plastic housing was smooth turning and spun nice and quietly??? I will try pulling the outer, seized bearing off the shaft and replace it in order to have a spare fan for my '07 Ducane CMPE125U5B furnace. Unfortunately, since it is heating season here in western PA, my wife was not interested in my experimenting with a repair of the fan, so we bought a "like new" fan. The furnace purrs now and my wife is happier...
I was wondering if they could be taken apart but I refrained from trying. Worried I would destroy something and not be able to repair it. I just squirted some 3 in 1 oil on the visible areas I could get to and put it back on the furnace. It's much quieter now and works fine. I will purchase a backup to replace it and have it on hand.
Thanks for the great video. I have the same inducer motor and it failed during a deep freeze, colder than (-20C/-4F). I was able to see the bearings and drop some oil on them to keep the furnace going.
i've got a comfort maker furnace, bearing on the rear end of the inducer motor shaft is exposed and completed whopped out! i may try to replace just the bearings as it's 32 degrees outside now and thank god for wood stoves as well.
It's possible to do. I just did mine. You don't need to split the plastic case. Both 608 bearings were 12 bucks at Ace Hardware. Had to make a special puller to get the lower bearing cage off but after that not bad at all.
I do stupid stuff like this all the time. Mostly with grandkids toy repair jobs. Nice to see another like minded dope do this. The Fasco fan in my Comfortmaker just started to make noise & I was thinking about doing what you just showed. Thanx for posting this.
This was a great video. I just did the same thing except didnt attack the impeller side because of time. What kind of bearings are these? I figure they go bad from heat and debris getting stuck. If i can save customers money I will. These go for 700.00 repairs from a shop
The bearings where going in mine , I added some oil to each side. First I removed front black part. Hooked up a drill got it spinning added three more drops oil each side. Have to replace. No good if inside is banging .
What type of oil did you use? Ours has stopped four times in the last few days (with single-degree temps, of course) and we are using lithium grease, but the black wheel in front just won't spin freely.
Did you replace the bearings ? My furnace motor 02-15N is also not working properly and I have open every parts , do i be able to change the bearings and will it work?
I wish I watched your video again before I destroyed a good assembly. I already installed a new assembly and I wanted to investigate on the failed one. The important info is that the fan cannot be removed without cutting the shaft of destroying the fan. By the way, the housing came apart with a screwdriver, no heat required. The only other option is to remove the motor assembly toward the lead end of the motor and hope for the best that things will align when reassembled, as some people commented. It is a shame on the engineers and manufacturer that the bearings cannot be easily replaced. You end up spending between $ 113 to $ 250 on a new assembly instead of $ 5.00 to $ 20.00 on two bearings. It is only for the mechanically inclined though. The first one failed just before the five-year warranty and it cost me $ 50 stocking fee. The one I installed in 2009 just failed, after over eleven years, and the new assembly was $ 113.00. It is the outer, lead end bearing that failed and that can be easily replaced. Some WD 40 will loosen the bearing and gets you going until you get a new assembly. Spaying oil on the bearing or soaking it as someone suggested might work. My furnace is a 2004 Heil and it has been working great other than the outer bearing on the inducer motor. Well, once I cleaned the sensor rod on the hot surface ingitor.
very nice video, but i don't see how to take bearing out, i checked blower, disassemble out, bearing front bearing stuck, but don't know how to take it out , can you tell me how to take it out?
yu Kane, the only way to get the bearing out, is to push the shaft through the motor. I think an automotive puller would work. But then you would have to press the shaft back in after replacing the bearings. I recommend replacing the whole assembly if the process is not clear at this point. Thank you for watching.
You cannot press the shaft back into the rotor , it's only designed to be pressed one time at the factory and they do it thermaly , I tried it and the shaft will eventually start to spin in the rotor , also it's hard to get it back in the same position on the shaft , it has to be perfect or the motor endplay will be wrong and the motor won't spin freely
the only correct way is to remove the fan off the shaft then measure position and pull off the main bearing. Removing iron rotor core from shaft is a serious bush fix because rotor will likely be imbalanced afterwards... there is a reason why even Chinese factory balances rotors! Just too bad their bearing lubricant & seals fail.
I didn't go that far. I decided it wasn't made to be serviced and ordered another one. I did get a little oil into it to quiet it a bit til the new one comes. I'm sure it could be done, but by the time I got it apart and found a new bearing; it wouldn't be worth my time. I did find a good price by researching on the net. $124. Still seems a lot, but not compared to calling an HVAC guy fix it.
i obtained a inducer assembly like this which came off a Rheem water heater with noisy bearings meaning the entire inducer assembly has to be replaced the motor says Jakel Inc Highland Illinois on it. if i can find a unit with a FASCO motor ill go with that. as i don't like these sealed pressed fit draft inducers if its on a furnace or a water heater. if possible ill find an A.o. Smith inducer and use that the motor can be seperated from it if i use antiseize compound on the motor shaft and the set screw on the blower wheel. as thats a more simplier design to replace the motor or bearings if its a 3.3 inch motor. i think some furnaces use this inducer assembly and some water heaters notibly Rheem, Ruud and others.
I failed to complete the project and replaced the whole unit. Chris bought 608 bearings at Ace hardware. Someone else has a different opinion on the bearing size. I suggest reading all of the comments. Good luck!
You said motor bearing at about one minute in, so I guess you mean motor, and not fan bearing. So why not just replace the motor as they should be pretty cheap, cheap insurance?
It's unbelievable that people pay $500-700 to have these replaced when all they need is a $2 bearing! Same with auto starters, $10 worth of brushes and they good as new
Not every computer programmer or network admin can do it. It is too complicated for most of people. The people who can do it, may charge $200-300 for worth of effort. But the motor may cost $300. So it is not worth to hire someone, just good for handyman DIY
This is how you learn lol. Taking shit apart and putting it back together. It's good to see someone else do it so you're not making mistakes at 2am trying to get it to work for an elderly couple lol
So, we got a phone call at 11pm last night from the elderly woman next door. Her furnace isn’t coming on, and she’s had an HVAC pro there, who couldn’t check on a replacement motor until the morning. BTW, the temperature overnight was in the single digits.
I was able to pull the inducer out and take it apart, *100% thanks to this video* (especially the part about the fan blade being molded on - I would’ve destroyed the thing otherwise). Instead, disassembled the motor housing, got a few drops of WD-40 into both bearings, and it spins like a dream. You, sir, are the man!
P.S. The HVAC guy called her back this morning and wouldn’t have been able to get a replacement for at least a month.
Nice to hear
I did this on a same motor every year, until I replaced it. You better order one for her just in case
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. This Jakel motor is the same as found in many Carrier furnaces, such as mine. When my motor began making the high pitched noises, I suspected the bearing were going bad. Since your detailed dissection of this motor that showed the location and construction of the bearings, I was able to drip lubricating oil onto the bearings which has quieted the unit for now. At the very least, this buys me some time to look for a replacement motor. Your sharing of your experience is very much appreciated - thanks again!
Thank you for this video, I did as you said and punched the blower fan and the shaft out, replaced the bearings and I used some jbweld to make sure the armature was not slipping on the shaft since after removal it was slightly loose, same with the bearings i job welded the bearings aswell, used some motor oil in the bearings and after a few shouts of breaking in it’s been working beautifully!
I just finished repairing a motor on a york unit. Once I took the motor cover off I found the ball bearings were froze up. I took the assembly out and was able to use a bearing knife to remove the bearing. Although I took the fan apart as you did, I was unable to figure how to take the fan off the shaft. I wanted to access the other bearing, but couldn't get to it. Fortunately I had a new bearing in stock, got the unit up and going, but... I got the same error from the control board, said a pressure switch malfunctioned. I checked the pressure on the rubber hoses, nothing. After thinking about it, I realized the motor was going the wrong direction. I took the motor apart again, flipped the shaded pole coil assembly over, put it back together, and the motor ran the correct direction, have heat again!
I did the repair before finding your video, just wanted to find other peoples experiences. Jim
Happy I came across your video. I was not having noise, it just was real hard to turn. I got out the hair blower, went to heat it up, decided to pound on those pegs, it came apart easy, looked in the holes, looked like bunched up rubber bands. That gasket had come off, wound up inside under the fan. Used a scratch awl and small needle nose, pulled it all out. Works like a charm!!
Thanks for sharing, the interest of digging into a cost effective repair was great. Me and many with the mechanical ability to fix instead of waste thanks you
I solved the bearing wear problem in my new one. I put a computer cooling fan blowing on the motor drawing outside air in to keep it cool, as it is the heat that destroys the bearing.
how did you power the pc fan?
@@JohnLee-mk9gzlookup pc case fans, also you can likely find the right 120vAC to 12vDC adapter on cheap electronics at thrift stores
Good info. If you were to put it back together it's also important to mention to put a new bead of silicone around the bead to seal carbon monoxide leaks.
I have one that just crapped out on me. I took it apart and temporarily fixed the first bearing by filling the sealed bearing with Vaseline because it was dry as bone until my new one comes in.
I know Vaseline isn’t the answer it’s just a bandage because it’s cold in my house and now I’ll be toasty for couple days waiting on the new motor!
Cheers thanks for the video
I followed this but used a drift without taking any bolts apart like he said, had to set it up with support and had a hand pulling fan down while beat it out from above. mushroomed it a bit but easily filed that off. Bought an 8 pack of quality 608 ABEC-9(highest quality) skateboard wheel bearings for $20 on line after spending $120 for a new inducer motor. For the second time in 9 years ( brand new carrier). Now I have a backup for the next time it goes with real bearings. Make sure to pop the seals and grease the bearings, there are videos on how to do it. Thanks Mr.Butler! Oh and take a picture of it so you know where the wires go.
From where you bought ??
@@virbone7141 Amazon skateboard wheel bearings
@@djokicmetamora thanks, $188.50 spent on a new inducer motor
Can you please send us the link if you where to buy them?
See the video description. I gave up on replacing the bearings, and replaced the entire assembly. Now the furnace purrs like a kitten. If it happens again, I would definitely attempt to replace the bearings now that I know how to go about it.
@William Butler,
Were both bearings damaged on your fan or was only one. My fan's shaft finally seized up when the outer bearing (furthermost from the fan) totally failed! When I disassembled the motor, I found that the inner bearing next to the plastic housing was smooth turning and spun nice and quietly???
I will try pulling the outer, seized bearing off the shaft and replace it in order to have a spare fan for my '07 Ducane CMPE125U5B furnace. Unfortunately, since it is heating season here in western PA, my wife was not interested in my experimenting with a repair of the fan, so we bought a "like new" fan. The furnace purrs now and my wife is happier...
I was wondering if they could be taken apart but I refrained from trying. Worried I would destroy something and not be able to repair it. I just squirted some 3 in 1 oil on the visible areas I could get to and put it back on the furnace. It's much quieter now and works fine. I will purchase a backup to replace it and have it on hand.
Right, there's no need to take the fan apart. Glad to hear it's working.
Thanks for the great video. I have the same inducer motor and it failed during a deep freeze, colder than (-20C/-4F). I was able to see the bearings and drop some oil on them to keep the furnace going.
Richard Pistor Thanks for watching. Glad I could help.
Good info. I’m looking to replace the bearing as they are getting loud. Thank you.
i've got a comfort maker furnace, bearing on the rear end of the inducer motor shaft is exposed and completed whopped out! i may try to replace just the bearings as it's 32 degrees outside now and thank god for wood stoves as well.
It's possible to do. I just did mine. You don't need to split the plastic case. Both 608 bearings were 12 bucks at Ace Hardware. Had to make a special puller to get the lower bearing cage off but after that not bad at all.
I do stupid stuff like this all the time. Mostly with grandkids toy repair jobs. Nice to see another like minded dope do this. The Fasco fan in my Comfortmaker just started to make noise & I was thinking about doing what you just showed. Thanx for posting this.
This was a great video. I just did the same thing except didnt attack the impeller side because of time.
What kind of bearings are these?
I figure they go bad from heat and debris getting stuck. If i can save customers money I will.
These go for 700.00 repairs from a shop
I was able to dissamble the front but could not remove the bearings. I lubrificated them and they seem ok. How did you guys remove it?
Bearing looks like NMB 608SSD21. A pair of generic 608-2RS would work there. 2RS just means rubber seal on both sides.
Where did you buy the new bearings ?
The bearings where going in mine , I added some oil to each side. First I removed front black part. Hooked up a drill got it spinning added three more drops oil each side. Have to replace. No good if inside is banging .
What type of oil did you use? Ours has stopped four times in the last few days (with single-degree temps, of course) and we are using lithium grease, but the black wheel in front just won't spin freely.
Rebecca Kosierowski bearings are gone I have new one are you in Ontario Canada ?
No, we aren't. We are in Illinois, USA
Rebecca Kosierowski if you're going to fix , replace bearings before armature gets damaged . Good one not a copy is $200.00 up here
We don't have a puller, so we've ordered a new one. Just over $100 with shipping, so not bad. Thanks.
Did you replace the bearings ?
My furnace motor 02-15N is also not working properly and I have open every parts , do i be able to change the bearings and will it work?
It's been awhile, but I think that both bearings were dry. Happy heating
I wish I watched your video again before I destroyed a good assembly. I already installed a new assembly and I wanted to investigate on the failed one. The important info is that the fan cannot be removed without cutting the shaft of destroying the fan. By the way, the housing came apart with a screwdriver, no heat required. The only other option is to remove the motor assembly toward the lead end of the motor and hope for the best that things will align when reassembled, as some people commented. It is a shame on the engineers and manufacturer that the bearings cannot be easily replaced. You end up spending between $ 113 to $ 250 on a new assembly instead of $ 5.00 to $ 20.00 on two bearings. It is only for the mechanically inclined though. The first one failed just before the five-year warranty and it cost me $ 50 stocking fee. The one I installed in 2009 just failed, after over eleven years, and the new assembly was $ 113.00. It is the outer, lead end bearing that failed and that can be easily replaced. Some WD 40 will loosen the bearing and gets you going until you get a new assembly. Spaying oil on the bearing or soaking it as someone suggested might work. My furnace is a 2004 Heil and it has been working great other than the outer bearing on the inducer motor. Well, once I cleaned the sensor rod on the hot surface ingitor.
very nice video, but i don't see how to take bearing out, i checked blower, disassemble out, bearing front bearing stuck, but don't know how to take it out , can you tell me how to take it out?
yu Kane, the only way to get the bearing out, is to push the shaft through the motor. I think an automotive puller would work. But then you would have to press the shaft back in after replacing the bearings. I recommend replacing the whole assembly if the process is not clear at this point. Thank you for watching.
You cannot press the shaft back into the rotor , it's only designed to be pressed one time at the factory and they do it thermaly , I tried it and the shaft will eventually start to spin in the rotor , also it's hard to get it back in the same position on the shaft , it has to be perfect or the motor endplay will be wrong and the motor won't spin freely
Michael Kranz Thanks Michael
Not the case. It pushes right on the shaft. Taking careful measurements allows for correct reassembly.
the only correct way is to remove the fan off the shaft then measure position and pull off the main bearing.
Removing iron rotor core from shaft is a serious bush fix because rotor will likely be imbalanced afterwards... there is a reason why even Chinese factory balances rotors! Just too bad their bearing lubricant & seals fail.
I didn't go that far. I decided it wasn't made to be serviced and ordered another one. I did get a little oil into it to quiet it a bit til the new one comes. I'm sure it could be done, but by the time I got it apart and found a new bearing; it wouldn't be worth my time. I did find a good price by researching on the net. $124. Still seems a lot, but not compared to calling an HVAC guy fix it.
How much did service and parts cost for the replacement?
i obtained a inducer assembly like this which came off a Rheem water heater with noisy bearings meaning the entire inducer assembly has to be replaced the motor says Jakel Inc Highland Illinois on it. if i can find a unit with a FASCO motor ill go with that. as i don't like these sealed pressed fit draft inducers if its on a furnace or a water heater. if possible ill find an A.o. Smith inducer and use that the motor can be seperated from it if i use antiseize compound on the motor shaft and the set screw on the blower wheel. as thats a more simplier design to replace the motor or bearings if its a 3.3 inch motor. i think some furnaces use this inducer assembly and some water heaters notibly Rheem, Ruud and others.
Are was manufactured 2016 installation 2018 Motherboard has ben Replaced know Blower need Maintenance.
Thank you
are those 608 bearings?
Well, I thought so, but Glen says that they are 1603. Good luck.
@@billeb420 608 they are common skateboard wheel bearings, I bought ABEC-9 the best you can buy.
Where did you buy bearings at?
I failed to complete the project and replaced the whole unit. Chris bought 608 bearings at Ace hardware. Someone else has a different opinion on the bearing size. I suggest reading all of the comments. Good luck!
You said motor bearing at about one minute in, so I guess you mean motor, and not fan bearing. So why not just replace the motor as they should be pretty cheap, cheap insurance?
The fan wheel is not removable in this case, so you cannot replace just motor
Great video. I need the exact same unit replaced. Where did you purchase the entire replacement unit?
EGOinTraining Shorty's
Skateboard wheel bearings. Same size.
One question? Why bother?
$120 or more, thats why! and you get another one with crap bearings to replace again.
Apparently these motors use ball bearings
It's unbelievable that people pay $500-700 to have these replaced when all they need is a $2 bearing! Same with auto starters, $10 worth of brushes and they good as new
Not every computer programmer or network admin can do it. It is too complicated for most of people. The people who can do it, may charge $200-300 for worth of effort. But the motor may cost $300. So it is not worth to hire someone, just good for handyman DIY
I have one mine leaking from bottom but runs Good I'm try Silicone again. For 90$ this motor housing fail buy Design.
Just soak it in motor oil it will run forever.
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Nice work!
B6
Basically a waste of time. Replace the whole thing in 5-10 minutes
Not a very useful video. "I think it would have worked it I knew what I was doing." That quote at the end pretty much sums it up.
This is how you learn lol. Taking shit apart and putting it back together. It's good to see someone else do it so you're not making mistakes at 2am trying to get it to work for an elderly couple lol