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  • Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
  • As predicted, Keir Starmer has won an enormous majority. Elsewhere, eleven cabinet ministers have lost their seats, including: Grant Shapps, Gillian Keegan and Penny Mordaunt. Former prime minister Liz Truss has lost her seat, as have senior Tories Jacob Rees-Mogg and Miriam Cates. The Lib Dems have made massive gains, the SNP were decimated in Scotland and Nigel Farage is the MP for Clacton.
    But it’s not a clean sweep for Labour. Two Labour frontbenchers have lost their seats and Starmer will enter government on a vote share of 35 per cent, the lowest of any postwar governing party. Will this hinder him in government? And is this landslide down to the Farage effect?
    James Heale speaks to Fraser Nelson and Katy Balls.
    Produced by Natasha Feroze and Oscar Edmondson.
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Комментарии • 362

  • @andrewhotston983
    @andrewhotston983 Месяц назад +145

    Labour got two-thirds of the seats with only one-third of the popular vote. A clear demonstration of the unfairness of FPTP.

    • @southpawjinx1
      @southpawjinx1 Месяц назад +41

      Yeah the debate about PR and FPTP tends to follow a trend. Those in power tend to go cold on the suggestion of electoral reform, while those out of government tend to get very vocal about it. The Tories had 14 years to make those reforms but somehow didn’t.

    • @aclark903
      @aclark903 Месяц назад +16

      @@southpawjinx1Reform currently are getting 1 MP per million votes…😢

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад +3

      @@aclark903 rank choice voting might help but reform got 2nd or 3rd in a ton of races

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад

      All election systems are silly and corrupt

    • @southpawjinx1
      @southpawjinx1 Месяц назад +11

      @@aclark903 good, 1 MP per million votes too many

  • @lewislee9201
    @lewislee9201 Месяц назад +92

    The Tories did not deserve a single seat for the disaster they inflicted on country for the last 14 years.

    • @joce11
      @joce11 Месяц назад +8

      Agree but IMO the UK has in effect voted for the status quo by voting Labour. If Labour goes on to do the same as the Tories then they deserve the same fate as the Tories come the next GE.

    • @beecat9951
      @beecat9951 Месяц назад

      ​@@joce11 They'll do the same as the Tories but on steroids. The angry people who voted Labour for change will be left severely disillusioned.

    • @whitepanties2751
      @whitepanties2751 Месяц назад

      @@lewislee9201 No, the Conservatives as a Party deserved nothing, but some individual MPs deserved better, including Miriam Cates and Jacob Rees Mogg.

    • @stevedavy2878
      @stevedavy2878 Месяц назад +1

      Some Turkeys will always vote for the Butcher

    • @robinbreeds9217
      @robinbreeds9217 Месяц назад +1

      Yet i saw every thing falling part in my town when Labour had been last in power Factory after Factory closed and nothing replaced it but a Tescos and ASDA and more housing built, so none of the issues are ever addressed

  • @thedrvn
    @thedrvn Месяц назад +106

    The WEF is the hammer, Labour the Nail and the coffin is the UK.

    • @russellwilliams1163
      @russellwilliams1163 Месяц назад +8

      That is true

    • @georgesutter2256
      @georgesutter2256 Месяц назад +5

      @@thedrvn conservatives the other nail.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад

      How?

    • @thedrvn
      @thedrvn Месяц назад +1

      @@pauln6803 ruclips.net/video/A1m4zZvyCxg/видео.html&forced&t=1083s

    • @user-lh9ei6he1h
      @user-lh9ei6he1h Месяц назад

      And reform is in the coffin. Hahaha

  • @alangardner8596
    @alangardner8596 Месяц назад +25

    The 2nd lowest turnout than has ever been recorded and only a marginal increase in people voting Labour so although the amount of Labour MP's is impressive it's a very fragile victory.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад +1

      @@alangardner8596 based on our system, it’s a big win, but it’s more a repudiation of the Tories, however Labour now have a majority so big they can pass whatever they want, so it’ll be interesting to see if they can stick together and pass things that actually help the NHS, single mothers, the poor working class, etc. Keir Starmer is a centre right politician so I don’t see it happening

    • @joeruiz4010
      @joeruiz4010 Месяц назад +1

      @@TTWGD3 UK is going full-on Venezuela. Bottom line.

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders Месяц назад

      ​@@TTWGD3But do they know what a "mother" is? 😂

  • @japfourme381
    @japfourme381 Месяц назад +68

    Labour didn’t win this with a Landslide Victory! The Tories lost it with a Landslide Defeat!!

    • @philipebbrell2793
      @philipebbrell2793 Месяц назад

      Governments lose elections rather oppositions win it.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад +3

      @@japfourme381 technically both are true but in a funny twist Reform actually helped Labour get their big majority

    • @markstothard2100
      @markstothard2100 Месяц назад

      Majority was no vote. 40% didn’t take part and don’t require to be governed.

  • @gavwan
    @gavwan Месяц назад +20

    Torys and SNP lost, Labour gained about 1% more votes than 2019 in England when they lost that election.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад

      @@gavwan yes but their opponents dropped drastically so who cares? lol Labour got more votes under Corbyn but no one would say his party rule was more successful, you go by the system in place and even if it is a really stupid system, Labour now can pass anything they want essentially so who cares about vote totals lol

    • @Colin623
      @Colin623 Месяц назад +1

      Yes indeed, same number of votes, but they were trashed by the Tories, this time round same number of votes but get a record number of seats in parliament ! Totally anti-democratic and unrepresentative system we have !

  • @IMAC1776
    @IMAC1776 Месяц назад +19

    You can be absolutely certain if Boris had won a 170 seat majority on 33% of the vote all everyone would be talking about was his lack of mandate and the urgent need for electoral reform.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад

      Well that was realised by the left in the last election.
      Now it's the night's turn.
      Will it happen anytime soon?
      Doubt it.
      It's rare for the winner to call the process broken and the Tories have traditionally done extremely well out of First Past the Post.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад

      @@IMAC1776 Labour got 10 percent more than the next party? There were more votes for other parties but Labour still beat everyone else by a wide margin

  • @timwoodger7896
    @timwoodger7896 Месяц назад +85

    Corporate socialists out and corporate socialists back in 😂😂

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад

      Literally none of these WEF and Davros funded politicians are even close to Socialists, if they were they would have better and bigger safety nets for people with disabilities and those who are poor because of no fault of their own

    • @Alsushi.
      @Alsushi. Месяц назад

      There are no Socialists left in the Labour Party they have All been purged ,what you have is the new British Zionist Party.

    • @frankbrennan1619
      @frankbrennan1619 Месяц назад +5

      The ''Government'' ALWAYS wins....

    • @timwoodger7896
      @timwoodger7896 Месяц назад +3

      @@frankbrennan1619 always no matter what !👍👍

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад +3

      "Corporate socialists" is an oxymoron.
      If Farage says it, always double check before repeating.

  • @undefinedfreedom8580
    @undefinedfreedom8580 Месяц назад +13

    Boris Johnson managed to do the impossible: from a land slide majority to an utter oblivion.

    • @zondike1
      @zondike1 Месяц назад

      Genius! I feared this at the time, when I reluctantly voted for him over Jeremy Hunt as leader.

    • @AndreiMuntean0
      @AndreiMuntean0 Месяц назад

      And if the Conservatives had won the election now? Would it still have been because of Boris Johnson (who hasn't been in power for 2 years)?

  • @nickgood8166
    @nickgood8166 Месяц назад +20

    The Tories did far better than I expected.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 Месяц назад

      @@nickgood8166 121 seats is their worst showing ever

    • @onehairybuddha
      @onehairybuddha Месяц назад +1

      @@TTWGD3 Better than they deserved.

    • @biwnzixebrxb4786
      @biwnzixebrxb4786 Месяц назад

      There will always be old people who just don't follow politics nor current events, just vote the same party for the last 50 years.

    • @christopherchessum7439
      @christopherchessum7439 Месяц назад

      They did better than I had expected too; but my expectations were low.

  • @Airwolf106
    @Airwolf106 Месяц назад +33

    Same circus different clown

  • @REwing
    @REwing Месяц назад +61

    There is not going to be any different from the last corruption.

    • @WeAllLovePineapples
      @WeAllLovePineapples Месяц назад +5

      @REwing that's a lie that the Conservatives have been telling us for so long. It can get better, and politicians can -and must- be held to higher standards. Have hope.

    • @bigpete4227
      @bigpete4227 Месяц назад +6

      I disagree, think that starmer will escalate all the problems the tories escalated from Blair.

    • @MrLemmiwinks91
      @MrLemmiwinks91 Месяц назад +4

      That is the plan. Labour will do exactly what the tories were doing but will do it x100. The point is unfortunately the country will have to go through a really bad period over the next 5 years which will hopefully make more people realise that neither of these parties have the British peoples interest.

    • @microwaves25
      @microwaves25 Месяц назад +3

      It will get better. These Tories were as bad as they come.

    • @chazzlebazzle69
      @chazzlebazzle69 Месяц назад

      New broom

  • @andrewhotston983
    @andrewhotston983 Месяц назад +55

    Many Tory MPs would have kept their seats if they'd defected to Reform, a proper conservative party.

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype Месяц назад +5

      & then returned the stand down favour Farage had done with the Brexit party.

    • @barryboom717
      @barryboom717 Месяц назад +3

      So you're saying the Reform candidates in those seats were crap? The electorate had the opportunity to vote for a Reform candidate and they didn't get enough to win the seat.

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype Месяц назад +3

      @@barryboom717 & it was very close in several of them; am electoral pact between Conservatives & Reform would have given both parties several more seats.

    • @andrewhotston983
      @andrewhotston983 Месяц назад

      @@GodsOwnPrototype Too many closet Libdems amongst Tory MPs. A pact would never have been tolerated.

    • @barryboom717
      @barryboom717 Месяц назад +3

      @@GodsOwnPrototype An electoral pact would've meant Reform candidates not standing, if that was the case the votes would likely go to the Lib Dems. If the conservatives stood down then the votes would likely be split between Lib Dem and Reform.
      Reform took all the votes they were ever going to take from the Tories. No Tory candidate doesn't automatically mean the electorate will vote Reform, people who vote Tory but want to punish the party don't necessarily align with Reform's policies.

  • @georgesdelatour
    @georgesdelatour Месяц назад +10

    Starmer has the temperament of a political commissar. He’s a charisma vacuum.

  • @anthonyrispin9778
    @anthonyrispin9778 Месяц назад +11

    More will be spent on economic migrants. Leaving the homeless and the poor in the gutter.

    • @pageboy1974
      @pageboy1974 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@belson65 60 years of uniparty rule did that.

    • @anthonyrispin9778
      @anthonyrispin9778 Месяц назад +3

      @@belson65 I haven't the time or the crayons to explain things to you.

    • @markwheeler4245
      @markwheeler4245 Месяц назад

      This breaks my heart seeing so many brits struggling while ppl flood in en masse and are given everything it's WRONG

  • @manin10
    @manin10 Месяц назад +11

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the labour honeymoon is going to last probably a couple of months then we're going to see what's going to happen. But I'm betting in a couple of years, 's, all the problems we have now will still be here and I don't think anything's going to change.
    I heard somebody say a couple of days ago that when it comes to Kier Starmer, some pound store is missing it's manager.😂😂

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 Месяц назад +1

      He reminds me of a goat. I can well imagine when he's not in the Commons he's chewing grass in a park somewhere. As much as I dislike Labour ideologically, if they can turn the country around, all power to them. But I'd wager you're totally correct -they will achieve nothing, and their ideologically-charged policies will probably make things worse.

    • @mountainsofmourne
      @mountainsofmourne Месяц назад +2

      @@paulwally9007 David Lammy, Foreign Secretary; Diane Abbott, Mother of the House - examples of ideologically charged policy right at the start.

    • @davidcole8268
      @davidcole8268 Месяц назад

      There is a large new cohort of young Labour MPs on the soft left who will waste little time in pressing for tax, borrow and spend.

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 Месяц назад

      @@mountainsofmourne Yes. A truly dark day for politics. ; )

    • @julestloid
      @julestloid Месяц назад

      Is there even a honeymoon? All I've seen is people complaining.

  • @prideofdurham4776
    @prideofdurham4776 Месяц назад +40

    Labour didnt win it , the Tories lost it. Starmer will be replaced after a year and this country becomes a third world one with donkeys and camels in the streets outside mosques.

    • @russellwilliams1163
      @russellwilliams1163 Месяц назад

      Woke communism will increase rapidly under Starmer

    • @mountainsofmourne
      @mountainsofmourne Месяц назад

      Makes us wonder how many boat-loads of undocumented men are on their way to Dover today. What will Starmer do that's any better than Sunak's neglect of any defence?

    • @julestloid
      @julestloid Месяц назад

      I see you voted for Reform. Cheers

  • @frankward8336
    @frankward8336 Месяц назад +9

    No-one mentioning the success of the pro-Gaza independents.

    • @Monkey-fv2km
      @Monkey-fv2km Месяц назад +4

      It seems insane to me that the conflict in a tiny country in a different continent where the UK has no troops and the outcome has no direct effect (on the UK) is even an electoral issue at all, let alone a notable one.

    • @Ralstro
      @Ralstro Месяц назад

      Hopefully this will be a wake-up call to the entire political class. Blair brought the Islamists in for easy votes but like a man who plants bindweed for the pretty flowers, it has run out of control.
      This is a threat to democracy itself.

    • @helenjarvis7755
      @helenjarvis7755 Месяц назад

      ​@@Monkey-fv2kmthe killing of thousands of children seems to have had quite an effect on millions all around the world
      They are more than numbers on a page
      Our armaments are contributing to that outcome

  • @IMAC1776
    @IMAC1776 Месяц назад +8

    Why does the incumbency factor never affect Labour in Wales? They are generally perceived to be doing a terrible job an almost every metric but are never punished for it. Yet the Tories and SNP get hammered.

    • @moltderenou
      @moltderenou Месяц назад +1

      Tribal voting. Same in Spain. “My party (the Socialists) are doing a terrible job but I will keep on voting for them so that the Right doesn’t win”. Eg I would rather starve under socialist rule than go hungry under a conservative rule. Or, my great grandparents, my grandparents, my parents voted Labour so I will as well.

  • @Colin623
    @Colin623 Месяц назад +5

    The vote count for Starmer's own constituency was down by 50%, total votes for Labour was hardly any different from the defeat of Corbyn in 2019, yet this time it results in a landslide victory, totally bizarre and unrepresentative system we have !

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders Месяц назад

      Sounds like woke "maths" 😂.

    • @Colin623
      @Colin623 Месяц назад

      @@Woke_Invaders Clearly you didn't do so well at mathematics in school then 🤦‍♂but then maybe you didn't attend school at all😂😂

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders Месяц назад

      @@Colin623 I was told they are "racist".

    • @Colin623
      @Colin623 Месяц назад

      @@Woke_Invaders Clearly misinformed, if that were true, how come they had candidates from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds Including Indian, Pakistan, Jewish, Irish, if they were racist they wouldn't of allowed these people to stand, because that is the very definition of being 'Racist'.
      Their biggest financial donor comes from an ethnic family, his parents were from India, he gave a brilliant speech last Sunday saying how passionate he was about Britain being his country, if Nigel was racist as some like to peddle, why would he allow this man to stand in front of 5000 people giving a speech, it just wouldn't of happened if the party was racist as you've been told, actions speak louder than lies !
      All parties have racists in them, Labour have suspended many in recent months, the Greens have had to suspend quite a few recently for antisemitic chants, the difference being is that the corrupt MSM only report it if it involves Nigel Farage, they have a narrative to push out to the young, to make them believe it's true, when the opposite is the truth.
      You remember the scandal of the Channel 4 racist claim, well, interestingly one of those so called racists shouting these things has come forward and signed a declaration stating it was a planned scenario, he has said he was in the car with those other men planning how they would go about staging the video !
      When you add to that the so called candidate was a professional actor, specializing in rough voices, and the very fact he had to travel 80 miles from his home to get to Clacton, should beg the question, why the hell would anyone want to travel that far to deliver leaflets ?
      The evidence is piling up against channel 4, with more to follow, if you listened to the MSM you would think it was actually true, but the truth is coming to light now, that is was a clear set up ! Give the mainstream media a wide birth, especially channel 4 and the BBC, they are far from neutral !

  • @FraserBailey-jm5yz
    @FraserBailey-jm5yz Месяц назад +37

    The smug Spectator, which I have read weekly for well over 40 years, has reaped the whirlwind of its total failure to understand the appeal of Reform, which polled at 23% in my constituency.

    • @VaucluseVanguard
      @VaucluseVanguard Месяц назад +1

      Yes, but at 14% nationally, and then among people who will never read let alone subscribe to the Spectator.

  • @patricka.crawley6572
    @patricka.crawley6572 Месяц назад +22

    40%
    ...19,200,000
    DID NOT VOTE
    LANDSLIDE.

    • @RusselKabirTR
      @RusselKabirTR Месяц назад

      It is a landslide. That 40% said we don't care. They don't care about immigration or anything at all. So that is a landslide. People who care about immigration actually came to vote.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад +4

      That's their problem.
      They were presented with the opportunity, just as the rest of us were...
      Well maybe not the postal voters that never received their voting forms in time to return.
      But that's a can of worms for another day.

  • @iansinclair7581
    @iansinclair7581 Месяц назад +7

    Labour will tear itself to bits. Starmer does not have the character to hold them together.

    • @LemonScreech
      @LemonScreech Месяц назад +3

      Agreed, but with Khan and Corbyn waiting in the wings I really fear for our country.

    • @stevedavy2878
      @stevedavy2878 Месяц назад

      Thank you Mystic Mug

    • @gaycha6589
      @gaycha6589 Месяц назад

      We can only hope

  • @JD83000
    @JD83000 Месяц назад +5

    So is the Spectator going to give James Forsyth his job back after leaving to help mastermind the destruction of the Conservative Party?

  • @royed31
    @royed31 Месяц назад +2

    1. The turnout is estimated to be around 60%, making it the lowest turnout since 2001 when it was 59.4%[2].
    2. This is a notable drop from the 67.3% turnout recorded in the 2019 election
    3. If the final figure remains at or below 59.4%, it would mark the lowest participation in a general election since World War
    4. Several constituencies across the UK saw voter turnouts of around 50%, with some even as low as 40%
    5. Experts are describing this as potentially the lowest turnout since 1945, indicating a lack of enthusiasm among voters
    This low turnout is being interpreted as a sign of voter apathy rather than a strong mandate for any particular party, despite Labour's victory in the election.

  • @garyteeley9637
    @garyteeley9637 Месяц назад +5

    Reform will now cross the T's, create real branches and infrustructure and go strength to strength.
    Reform 2029

  • @sadie376
    @sadie376 Месяц назад +47

    Starmer wasn't up to the job of leading the opposition, he certainly isn't up to the job of being PM.
    The system is rotten to the core.

    • @henry6451
      @henry6451 Месяц назад +2

      Compared to the alternative it is a simple choice.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад +2

      So you're crying because you lost?
      This was coming from the moment the Tories decided Johnson should lead, many of them knew it too but they decided winning one more time was worth it.

    • @beecat9951
      @beecat9951 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@pauln6803we all lost

    • @sadie376
      @sadie376 Месяц назад +1

      ​@pauln6803 No. I'm not crying at all.
      None of these parties represent our interests. The system is irreparably broken & the WEF-supporting scum are in charge, again... They just happen to be wearing red ties instead of blue ones.
      We all lost I'm afraid.

    • @stevedavy2878
      @stevedavy2878 Месяц назад

      Nice to see you were happy with a procession of useless corrupt muppets running the country, but as soon as someone on the left gets into power, they are judged before they get through the door,

  • @realjohn4064
    @realjohn4064 Месяц назад +3

    It was a good, even very good result for Reform but reality check Matt, it wasn't great. Tories did better than expected and l don't believe Reform will find more votes from the Tories south England base. Reform will have to find much more fertile ground from abour voters. Btw, Labour had 33% of the popular vote, are they a legitimate government? Discuss.

  • @annegilmour9127
    @annegilmour9127 Месяц назад +2

    never seen the Spectator staff look so sad 🤣

  • @commonwunder
    @commonwunder Месяц назад +1

    Population of the UK ( including children ) Sixty-six million.
    ( Adults around forty million )
    Labour voting turnout yesterday : nine million people.
    *Jeremy Corbyn turnout 2017 : twelve million, eight hundred thousand.

  • @Steve-ys1ig
    @Steve-ys1ig Месяц назад +2

    Labour and the Conservatives will definitely never change to PR because it suits them.

  • @michaelfarrow3914
    @michaelfarrow3914 Месяц назад +2

    Thanks for a really good early analysis

  • @stunews2903
    @stunews2903 Месяц назад +3

    For Scots, England will be a much more favourable place to live in the coming years, as the wretched SNP in Scotland control too many devolved issues of which they are clueless upon.
    17 years of mismanagement, they deserve to lose in 2026.

  • @tictoc5443
    @tictoc5443 Месяц назад +2

    5 years of levelling down to come?

  • @advocate1563
    @advocate1563 Месяц назад +10

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW. This vote does not represent the will of the British people. Wrll done Ref9lorm - on to 2029. Let's buold it from the bottom up. All races, all colours who care passoonately about their country. Flag, comminity, family.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад

      Hi Ivan, nice to see you haven't been sent to the front yet.
      But you know what my authoritarian adoring little AI bot, FPTP is indeed an outdated system.
      Yet there wasn't much call for change when Farage had his sweetheart deal with the Tories to get them in power - TWICE!
      Yep, UKIP did something similar to help the Tories.
      Previously the Tories scored an eighty seat majority on 40% of the vote and a poor turn out.

    • @atagora3304
      @atagora3304 Месяц назад

      Here here🙏🏽🤍🇬🇧

    • @willrossetti2360
      @willrossetti2360 Месяц назад +2

      Under PR we would now have a Labour, Lib Dem and Green coalition with the greens having disproportionate negotiating power as kingmakers and getting their policies in - that very few people voted for - as part of the negotiations. Would you prefer that?

    • @willrossetti2360
      @willrossetti2360 Месяц назад +1

      @JustMeHere359 Under PR, generally you need to form a coalition which can have a governing majority. The single largest party (Labour) normally gets to form that coalition. Labour is not going to go into coalition with the conservatives or reform - it would do a deal with the Lib Dems and would also need the greens to get a majority looking at the vote share. Knowing that Labour need them to get a governing majority the Greens would bargain hard even though they had few votes - as the DUP did when Teresa May needed them. This is what happens in other countries that have PR. So yes, reform would have more seats under PR but in this election the actual government would be significantly more left wing than the Labour Party which has just won.

  • @henry6451
    @henry6451 Месяц назад +2

    Wide and shallow is very like Johnson. Johnson was incompetent and corrupt so it mattered.
    If lab can be competent and honorable they will be fine.

  • @jandavies4400
    @jandavies4400 Месяц назад +2

    Labour have to take responsibility now can’t blame the conservatives responsibility lies at Kierst Starmer’s door

  • @englishbob9492
    @englishbob9492 Месяц назад +2

    If it was an Islamist promoting Gaza or intimidating other candidates can you just say so please? Just calling them “independents” is confusing the issue.

  • @RichardEnglander
    @RichardEnglander Месяц назад +5

    Labour 9.6 million votes
    ReformUK 4 million votes
    The system needs to change

  • @kathrynbarbara967
    @kathrynbarbara967 Месяц назад +2

    “Reformative” has a ring to it…in the course of time that is.

  • @martingodden613
    @martingodden613 Месяц назад +1

    first past the post is totally undemocratic but the powers that really control it all will never allow it to be changed

  • @rjiylm
    @rjiylm Месяц назад +1

    When is James Forsyth back on the channel ? Looking forward to his insights.

  • @andrewwrench1959
    @andrewwrench1959 Месяц назад +1

    Laughing at Fraser Nelson and his po-faced pomposity about the Tory losses in the Thames Valley and wider South East. Lib Dems won Maidenhead where Reform didn't stand a candidate. Henley LD out polled Conservative and Reform combined, Chichester LD obliterated the combination by 20%. In all these seats Labour and Green still managed 10% between them so it wasn't perfect tactical voting either. If Mr Nelson had done his homework and looked at the results rather than jumping to conclusions on snapshots he might have reached a different end point.

  • @geordiecanuck2696
    @geordiecanuck2696 Месяц назад +1

    Posh accents. The North has spoken. We will not be ignored anymore. Number 10 best not concentrate on London and the Southeast anymore.

  • @richardyates7280
    @richardyates7280 Месяц назад +2

    This is not an enthusiastic endorsement of Labour. Reform gained. A large proportion of Conservatives stayed at home.

    • @buzz1867
      @buzz1867 Месяц назад +1

      How do you know that? A large proportion of traditional labour voters could also have stayed home and not voted!

  • @SomnathMazumder370
    @SomnathMazumder370 Месяц назад +1

    And Jeremy Corbyn...in case you'll choose to ignore...(with Sir Kier, Netanyahu can heave a sigh of relief) And Rishi and Jeremy are back, probably used as independent consultants with Ed Balls, in case Sir Kier runs into rough ground with the BOE...🙃🙃🙃

  • @nickgood8166
    @nickgood8166 Месяц назад +3

    Jeremy Hunt is a likely Tory leader. This will be a coup de grâce for the Tory party.

    • @iliyakuryakin4671
      @iliyakuryakin4671 Месяц назад +2

      No way, too closely associated with Rishi.

    • @nottmfunguy
      @nottmfunguy Месяц назад

      No not him, no one wants him as Tory leader. We need to see some difference. Braverman will be the best choice, she would upset Starmer, I hope!

    • @davidcole8268
      @davidcole8268 Месяц назад

      @@nickgood8166 I'm sorry Nick but the Conservatives need someone with real political skills, not arsonists - something that has eluded them since Cameron.

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 Месяц назад +2

    Aldershot! 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @julapornnamwong8098
    @julapornnamwong8098 Месяц назад +1

    Labour so awesome ❤

  • @kensears5099
    @kensears5099 Месяц назад

    Proportional representation is an utterly unworkable and, indeed, undemocratic idea. It destroys all notion of local constituency and turns the entire nation into a single constituency beholden to bureaucratic number-crunching appointers of parliamentary appointees. A particular constituency gave a Labour candidate the majority, but that's one Labour candidate too many for the "proportional representation"? Sorry, constituency, you can't have the person you voted for. You get the Conservative, or Lib Dem, or Reform face that gets the proportional calculus right. So, really, proportional representation means the death of local politics, the abolition of constituencies.

  • @baumulrich
    @baumulrich Месяц назад +1

    what will be interesting is in a year or two what happens when in some seats those thin majorities crumble, and individual mps worry about their seat. they will face the same back bench revolutions as the tories have

    • @davidcole8268
      @davidcole8268 Месяц назад

      @@baumulrich with so many young new faces, there are not many by-elections likely to test this out.

    • @baumulrich
      @baumulrich Месяц назад

      @@davidcole8268 no no, I don't mean by elections. I mean approval ratings tanking and suddenly inexperienced MPs feeling the pressure, trying to save their own skin. happens more than you think

  • @ritchiemx7391
    @ritchiemx7391 Месяц назад

    “Labour’s result was worse than in 2017”??? He may not have heard who is now PM.

  • @Hellyers
    @Hellyers Месяц назад

    I like FPTP. It's the best way to run a constituency based parliamentary system. The national "vote share" talking point is entirely irrelevant under a constituency based system as each vote is limited to its locality. Vote share is only talked about by media outlets who have to justify wall-to-wall coverage of elections and its an easy talking point.
    Constituencies are the best way to hold individuals to account... look at Truss, Morgan, Maudant et al, under a PR system they'd still be in safe seats, as it is they're out.

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders Месяц назад

      Sounds like feudalistic nonsense, millions of votes become almost worthless.

  • @Camille_Anderson
    @Camille_Anderson Месяц назад

    Now watch Traynor & Phillips fight for the top job in 6 months.

  • @chukwumaeneh7974
    @chukwumaeneh7974 Месяц назад +1

    Losers always give reasons labor won, congratulate them and move on.

  • @lulasnannajodie7723
    @lulasnannajodie7723 Месяц назад +1

    two sides - same coin - wake up people

  • @190CDZResponse
    @190CDZResponse Месяц назад

    I can't believe it's 4 years of Starmer's face 😖

  • @christopherchessum7439
    @christopherchessum7439 Месяц назад

    Fraser Nelson overplays the impact of Reform. Many people who had previously voted Tory have now voted for the Lib-Dems too.

  • @Wobstiger
    @Wobstiger Месяц назад

    I’m not surprised at all for the snp result

  • @petergregory8864
    @petergregory8864 Месяц назад +5

    I am so looking forward to Nigel Farage's first speech in Parliament, it will be memorable to be sure.

    • @jarthur5094
      @jarthur5094 Месяц назад

      Isn’t he a hitler acolyte

  • @Anon-mk4ms
    @Anon-mk4ms Месяц назад

    Can someone please get the guy sitting on the right a microphone that doesn't make him sound like he's drowning in mud.

  • @AnonymousBosch
    @AnonymousBosch Месяц назад +8

    The U.K. has just moved from a socialist lite to a socialist government, and the Tories got exactly what they deserve.
    If Reform want to be taken seriously, then they need to get to work; five years is a very short time when you have to select, vet and train candidates.
    Me, I’ll quietly move what little I have beyond the grasp of the government and hunker down. Good luck Britain.

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 Месяц назад

      Imagine The Garden of Earthly Delights where all the characters have been repainted with the faces of Labour politicians. Coins popping out the bottom of David Lammy into a pond as Starmer and Rayner look up gleefully.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад +1

      You should read up on socioeconomic theory before posting such ludicrous comments!
      I could only wish for a "socialist lite" government.
      Certainly not true socialism, more radical (by British standards) social democracy with a dash of socialist policies.
      A properly nationalised (and functional) NHS and utilities would be nice.

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 Месяц назад

      @@pauln6803 You should research medieval art before responding to someone who has presented no political views in a comment.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 Месяц назад

      @@paulwally9007
      Socialism: an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.
      I failed to catch the mass rationalising of the utilities, steel, telecommunications and rail.
      Perhaps you can point me to a source that reported on this occurring, eh princess?

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 Месяц назад

      @@pauln6803 Did you actually read my post? Or are you just typing to random people hoping that someone will respond? Oh, for the record I lived in a Socialist country for thirteen years and Russia for a year. Ask a Russian about Socialism if you want to learn something beyond a text book.

  • @sudenims5235
    @sudenims5235 Месяц назад

    I am not to the right of the conservative party and I find it offensive that you’ve said this. I just could not bring myself to vote for a person who doesn’t know what a woman is or a person/party that barely did any of the promises. Particularly immigration. I’m thinking of my grandchildren.

  • @lorettatocci3227
    @lorettatocci3227 Месяц назад

    OMG how can you predict the Tories coming back in 5 years?? They just got beat bad.

  • @davidcole8268
    @davidcole8268 Месяц назад

    When is James Forsyth returning to the Speccie now his mate Rishi is toast?

  • @joejohnson1969
    @joejohnson1969 Месяц назад

    We all need the change and are happy-go-lucky with results hopefully its best for our country ❤

  • @JulieTasker
    @JulieTasker Месяц назад

    The uk political system is outdated.
    The people have the power and are starting to realise that. Many are voicing and standing up to gain our power to develop properly strong communities with Education for life rather than overly emphasising academics and Education and healthcare importantly including Complementary Therapies in each local community.

  • @user-lh9ei6he1h
    @user-lh9ei6he1h Месяц назад

    Why didn't reform mention any of this before? And would you be interested if you had won? Tell you what I'll tell Starmer to hand the keys over to Nigel and don't forget to apologize you naughty boy.

  • @georgesdelatour
    @georgesdelatour Месяц назад +2

    Starmer will change the Constitution.

  • @edsr164
    @edsr164 Месяц назад

    Tell me: were there many Portillo moments? Did Rishi Sunak loose his seat?

  • @andrewwhite3793
    @andrewwhite3793 Месяц назад

    Yet if the Tories had won Fraser would have said what's your problem. Yep FPTP is crap if you lose but not if you win.

  • @misst.e.a.187
    @misst.e.a.187 Месяц назад +1

    Gonna make no difference.

    • @stumccabe
      @stumccabe Месяц назад

      I disagree. Labour will likely recognise Palestine, make "Islamophobia" illegal thereby effectively introducing a blasphemy law, support and promote gender identity ideology, crack down on freedom of speech, and make technical/constitutional changes as Blair did with the invention of the Supreme Court to undermine the sovereignty of the House of Commons - more quangos composed of leftists appointed by Labour making undemocratic decisions....

  • @paulball1767
    @paulball1767 Месяц назад +1

    Thank fuck for that. Rejoin eu now ffs

  • @aaronsmyth7943
    @aaronsmyth7943 Месяц назад

    Smacked bottom.

  • @rasat4829
    @rasat4829 Месяц назад

    Yeah, they put in a male lettuce! Hahahaha!

  • @baumulrich
    @baumulrich Месяц назад

    it's empowering for the country to see labour just getting their usual suspects to vote for them. Sadly there just are 9 million socialists who are incapable of acknowledging reason and facts, so they will vote for labour no matter what. However the largest "voting" block is the non voters - people disillusioned by the current parties. I really think given the impending wokism labour will impose, and the ever worsening illegal immigration issue, that reform will win the next election out right.

  • @pistonburner6448
    @pistonburner6448 Месяц назад

    There is something very wrong with the audio. You have some sort of massive compression or badly set up digital compensation or just horrible software in use. Levels also all set up horribly or are such as a consequence of the former.
    Terrible to listen to that speech with muddy lows and crashing, hissing highs.

  • @StevieSpiers-ru3mf
    @StevieSpiers-ru3mf Месяц назад

    Rivers of tears pouring from the Spectator offices, their beloved Tories humiliated.

  • @billturner6564
    @billturner6564 Месяц назад +1

    I am sure the Conservatives will conclude they lost because they were too far right😅😅😅😅😅

  • @martinsigley3957
    @martinsigley3957 Месяц назад +1

    Did not vote? Get all you deserve.

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders Месяц назад

      Voted Reform? The system says: fu*.

  • @philipmilner9638
    @philipmilner9638 Месяц назад

    Every body is blaming Reform for the tories defeat, but if Reform hadn't existed, those voters may have just stayed home anyway...

  • @Worldsfucked
    @Worldsfucked Месяц назад

    No mistake the headline is the reckoning named like the jimmy saville documentary

  • @troiscarottes
    @troiscarottes Месяц назад

    Yuck !

  • @philipellis4530
    @philipellis4530 Месяц назад

    What a shame, Sunackers won't be able to hug Zelensky any more, the person we all know as a warmonger, one of the other reasons why Rishi regularly popped over to Ukraine was he felt good as he was taller.

  • @saragonmcenany6229
    @saragonmcenany6229 Месяц назад

    Is note vote share its seat share that counts.

  • @rjdcarroll
    @rjdcarroll Месяц назад +1

    Cope

  • @geoffreynhill2833
    @geoffreynhill2833 Месяц назад

    ...and Statistics! 🤔("Green Fire" UK ) 🌈🦉

  • @annbottelli5682
    @annbottelli5682 Месяц назад

    How anyone could have voted for Farage is beyond me!!!

  • @christopherbrookfield4785
    @christopherbrookfield4785 Месяц назад

    Bring back the loonies!
    Oh no.
    They are all loonies.
    Set the controls for the heart of the ocean.
    I am going to live in the sea, like Ringo sang in The Beatles.
    ❤🎉😊

  • @freeline3601
    @freeline3601 Месяц назад

    The shift towards stakeholder capitalism continues, and Starmer will turbocharge the WEF agenda.

  • @andrewhead6267
    @andrewhead6267 Месяц назад

    If the Tories improve their vote at next election, that helps Labour as Reform is second to Labour in 98 seats. A mirror view of the split vote.

  • @sandrabrowne2350
    @sandrabrowne2350 Месяц назад

    From all the commentary of right one glaring omission ie "One Nation Toryism" gone for good over 🇪🇺 and Brexit never to be reconciled ever Labour stayed clear of the issue in spite of some center ground will not be Conservative/Reform but everyone else this is the new paradigm and future electoral results unless One nation Tories leave the party and follow its logical conclusion ?.Leave comments no censorship!!!

  • @Differentbias
    @Differentbias Месяц назад +5

    Kier managed to win this landslide victory. 🎉🎉
    Can he clear the mess made by Tories? We all doubt it!

    • @divad2332
      @divad2332 Месяц назад

      Do you all misspell his name?

    • @shelleyscloud3651
      @shelleyscloud3651 Месяц назад

      38% of the vote. Looks like around 50% turn out. Let’s not pretend 19% of the total electorate is a ringing endorsement for whatever it is they intend by ‘change’

    • @scotlandtheinsane3359
      @scotlandtheinsane3359 Месяц назад

      A landslide victory with 34% of the vote 😂😂😂😂 Things are about to get even WORSE.

    • @user-dv1nz2dj7l
      @user-dv1nz2dj7l Месяц назад

      @@divad2332 I've also noticed that, isn't it spelt K-N-E-E-L?

  • @Cotictimmy
    @Cotictimmy Месяц назад +2

    There are clearly many unseated Tories who would have kept their seats if they'd defected to Reform.

  • @paulwilliam8412
    @paulwilliam8412 Месяц назад +1

    So Labor got 20% of eligible voters to vote for them and achieved sweeping power, winning a whopping 2/3 of all seats in parliament. Hardly representative democracy. UK needs to ditch first past the post now that a huge majority of eligible voters are either voting against the major two parties or not voting. And I’ve been saying FPTP is unfair for years.

  • @thunkjunk
    @thunkjunk Месяц назад +1

    What does this mean for you guys. You are not going become even more Woke are you?

  • @richardyates7280
    @richardyates7280 Месяц назад

    "Independent"?

  • @pads-zr9ln
    @pads-zr9ln Месяц назад

    Fraser is such a wet, he should be happy in the lib dems did so well

  • @seakayak4425
    @seakayak4425 Месяц назад

    Dooomed I say

  • @jameshumfry1256
    @jameshumfry1256 Месяц назад +2

    Comedy gold