The Sub Compact Tractor Challenge - Mahindra Emax vs. BX Kubota vs Kioti CS2210
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Hey Guys,
Been awhile since we could find some time to do another video.
But a few people requested this so we did it.
Trying to be as open as possible and have no Bias.
Models we are comparing here:
Emax 22s HST Tractor w/ Loader & Backhoe
Kubota BX25 HST w/ Loader & Backhoe
Kioti CS2210 HST Tractor w/ Loader & Backhoe
We wanted to try and compare a few different machines
Let me know all your guys thoughts!
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Someone get this man a personal mic
Just wanted to give a 3 year review! thanks Marshall . because of this video and you and your knowledge on mahindra I am still extremely satisfied with my emax 22 TLB....! Thanks again Marshall I could not live without it now.
Great video Marshal - thanks for taking the time. I have a 2015 BX25D on 9 acres and I use the hell out of it. It’s reliable as hell and tough as a 2 dollar steak! Based on this video, and others I’ve seen, the Mahindra is a pretty sweet rig as well.
If you’re looking for feedback: I’d really love to see how they all handle the revolving seat. My only complaint on the Kubota is that the rotating seat is quite a hassle. Every time I need the backhoe I have to: stop, brake, jump off, swing around the chair, climb in - use the backhoe - then to move it forward: climb off the backhoe, turn around the seat, climb back on, unlock brake, move it 4-5 feet, then go through it all again to use the backhoe. It makes for a cumbersome pain in the ass (also, I’m 6’3”). It’d be helpful to see how the Mahindra and the Kioti handle it. Thanks again.
Not a fair comparison considering you're measuring an 8 year old Kubota up against new Mahandras and Kiotis. The new 23s is a far better and improved model and would have been a more honest comparison.
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@random epic videos He goes on for ten minutes proclaiming the absence of bias before he notifies us that he's comparing the newest tractors that he sells to a decade old competitor... But just to reiterate no bias!
thats not fair he says several times the Kobota is much older, and has many more updates and fixes since its production! Cut the guy some slack, tryin to give everyone the 411
I've used em all as well, in rural Maine no less, and they are all very comparable! Nothin wrong with being loyal to your machine, kubota a killer ride, but they're all nice rigs. And you definitely pay 10-15% more for the Kubota name! Like Rolex and Omega, Omega is just as nice as timepiece as Rolex all day long, better in many cases, but your paying close to double for the name! Just sayin
@@zenozeno4339 I think you have a hydraulic leak.
Kind of wondering cost difference. I do like the wider stance on the Mahindra though. Good presentation, I do wonder if you can do a forklift attachment as I might need to flood pallets in the future.
Because of your videos being so informational I will see you in two months for my new tractor thank you very much sir!
I appreciate the kind words. I look forward to helping you find the right tractor for your needs, and look forward to meeting you.
Showing how the seat moves from driving to backhoe would have been good
All good units , where’s the deer and Massey , plus the new 80 series Kubota’s have many new upgrades , that’s and older 25D ......! I purchased a new 23S and it’s been great so far , choose the one you like no matter the colour and have fun as all of these are great units . Having a good reputable dealer nearby makes a world of difference and it could be the deciding factor of your purchase.
Have fun and be safe cheers 🍻
My brother borrowed my BX25 for a few hours work, so he has very little operator experience. Because of convenience, he borrowed a friend's Deere. His opinion was the Deere was less intuitive and more difficult to use.
I’ve been running backhoes, rubber tired & tracked, for over 40 years, with buckets big enough to load up any of these machines, and I still say Dealer Satisfaction, trumps everything! Personally, I don’t think I would like running any of them, without a cab, heater & air conditioning. Just had cancer removed from my face, & new batteries installed in my hearing aids! I would buy one for a toy, instead of a radio controlled one, just for fun, & frustrations. They are big enough to cost you expensive outlays, if you tear up the wrong utility! Think insurance, as part of your cost. Very interesting & informative video, thanks! Got to get in bed, skin Dr. Appointment, in the morning!👍🏻🤩💵
I have a kioti 2410 with less than 500 hours, just had to have welding work done on it. The steel is not hardened, very brittle. It has the power, but with a weak frame I'm looking at more welding work in the future.
Mahindra is 7,000$ more in this configuration than the Kioti. Also the Kioti has a metal hood. I have one, wouldn’t trade it for anything.
The kioti does not have a metal hood unless you have a different model maybe I just test drove one yesterday and the cs was plastic
Mahindra is better among all in my observation.. they came new with a lot of features .. the price to performance of Mahindra is great..
I purchased a Kubota yesterday. And Kubota does sell a beautiful full cab now.
did you get the drop on, or the version that gets assembled?
Kioti seems to be a serious contender from what I have seen around.
the prices if they were all new would be nice.
Ive been doing a lot of shopping... they all seem to be around the same price point.
I had a Kubota bx25 for 8 years and just replaced it with a Mahindra Emax 20s last year. I have worked both of them very hard and while the Mahindra does a very good job of most tasks, the Kubota is just hands down the tougher more capable vehicle. Loader removal and reattachment, backhoe attachment and removal and just the general thoughtfulness of how things are put together goes to Kubota. On the plus side for Mahindra is the convenience of the quick attach skid steer mounting of front implements. I would also venture to suggest that the Kubota is the safer of the two machines to operate. Small amount of buyer regret here.
I thought you were going to actually do a comparison. The lift capacity shoukd have been an actual test.
I think it was a great review. We all know there is a new and improved Kubota bx23s, you just compared with what you had in the yard. Well done bud.
Apprechiate the kind words! Exactly that! We wish we had the BX23s on the lot!
You definitely helped me out a lot, I saw how skinny and terribly designed the Kioti BH is, man that looks like something I could build all by myself with some square tubing, and then seeing the beefiness of the Kubota back hoe compared to the Mahindra really helped me rule out a couple of brands of TLBs.
I really wish you had rehearsed that before shooting it, that you had done it on a hard surface, and that you had pulled out a measuring tape for the FEL and BH.
If you're curious I'm now deciding between the MF CG1720, the Kubota BX23s, and the LS MT125.
I've ruled the Kioti, Mahindra, and JD out for poor quality, poor performance, and/or pricing reasons.
LS is building a dalership right beside the Kubota dealer here in Southern Alberta and I cannot ignore the $23,900 CAD price tag for a brand new TLB with a 60" mower. The build quality is impeccable and the backhoe is heavier than all the others which means you'll be dragging your machine around a lot less when digging. The LS loader also has the highest lifting ability of all of the TLBs. As far as I can see the Kubota is a sweet piece of equipment, the cam-lock BH attachment system, drivers seat removable FEL, and the fender mounted FEL controls are all really nice innovations and its well built with a great motor, however, it is only upper middle of the pack (at best) in terms of overall performance... And ironically just like you would with JD, with Kubota you'll pay significantly more for the name and paint color.
I am sold on the mahindra, but what a rough start!
Mahindra sorted their electrical yet? Had one loved it but always had non stop electrical issues. Dealer fixed but after 4 separate issues I sold it.
Gotrek12345 which Mahindra and what year? 4 issues over how long?
Dude , i suggest, and this is me , you want to compare, do a full 8 hr day , plowing , shredding, digging, then i would say at this point you had a decent amount of comparison of the three , just a suggestion...
May have missed it but I didnt hear anything about service, cost part availability etc.
You can look your parts up for Kubota even for that outdated 10 year old and just type the parts numbers into eBay.
hes not gonna bring that up as it is a large downfall for Mahindra. they out source large portions of there tractors tym might as well have there name on the side of this thing.
Good job Mr. Kirby -- Just ignore the trolls, your review was indeed helpful!
U did a fine job young brother
A new BX 80 series would blow the other two machines out of the water. And Kubota’s engine is legendary. The best of the best
I think you could easily say their engines are all well regarded.
I hear people say they are "the best" , but when you compare the Kioti features and engineering to the Kubota, it's no competition. Kioti has passed and surpassed Kubota in quality and design.
That's why they have taken a huge percentage of kubota's market share as well
Nice machines.... BUT, IMO, a Massey Ferguson GC1710/1720TLB is superior to all of these many ways and is probably more reasonably priced. If your in the market for a compact, do your homework, decide the best machine for your needs and DO include the Massey in your search...
Hmmm...Is`nt that another Iseki?
That was long but good to know that Kubota is the one everybody copies and their 8 year older tractor was still head to head.
Glad to know that they make their own engines so parts won't be a problem long into the future and my yard will be happy that they are the lightest too.
I appreciate the push in the right direction and if we lived close to you I would give your place an opportunity to sell and service our new sub compact.
Hopefully a little more sunny
videos in your future.
Dava M
Illinois
I have found everybody buys a Kubota for the name. But, Kioti definitely gives you more bang for the buck!
In addition, I think it's much better engineered and designed. The ergonomics of controls, and more foot room is a real plus.
Kioti has made a huge dent in the market share of Kubota. And at some point I think they'll even be equal
Hi Marshall
You didn't include a price comparison.
Kubota does offer R1 or Ag tires. Ya didn't mention emissions at all. I worked at a Kubota dealership for a few years til 2016. (Parts sales) I was always told Mahindra didn't have DEF systems because their motors were built to run clean enough without . Don't know if that's true or not.
Actually your comment on Kubota being the first, sorry Case was building these tractors as early as the early 70's. They didn't have 3 point hitches but other than that they are the same. If you want verification I can send you a picture of my old Case 6018, yes it is beat to hell but it works.
Kubota! Nothing is better!!!
Glad I got a kubota , they also have a drive over deck option, and glass cab , that’s what I got with heat
Fantastic comparison with great info. Really helpful. It's a struggle to listen/watch the video though due to low/poor quality audio. Perhaps consider investing in a lapel-mic or shotgun mic.
The current BX does have a dealer-installed glass cab available.
You can keep that kabota,the kioti is by far the best tractor for the money.Tym is a close second and even more economical and unmatched lift capacity
I KNOW I didn't see him walk under that raised bucket. Another point just because the mahindra has 4 cylinders does not make it lift faster.2 of those were to dump the bucket.
I wish you added a price comparison so we're comparing apples with apples. I like to know the servicing required by each models. Which one is the Fiat of tractor world?
Fiat stands for "Fix it again Tony"!
Deere is tractor Fiat for sure.
Interesting ‘21 BX2380 here 200h now. I like the fender joystick a lot. There is a MMM technique where you use the bucket to lift the front wheels and slide the mower out. Pesky PTO connection though. Also, there is a HydrosPlus aftermarket cylinder set that increases height by 12” and lift by 33%. Does all I need now, nice machine.
Very helpful review. I enjoyed this video and was very useful for someone that doesn't know a lot about tractors. You gained a subscriber today.
Kubota... the answer is always Kubota. They're the Toyota Hilux of the tractor world and they're just better made then the others.
Such wonderful information and educational... Specially for us 1st timers. A kind suggestion: A Lapel Microphone will improve your Audio tremendously. Small investment for improved quality video.
Well, you sold me on Kubota.
lol, hope that was sarcasm
Biggest thing i noticed was how quiet the kioti was when starting and running
Nice observation! The kioti is definitely the most quiet!
I've got a cs2410. Its quiet and runs strong. I really do love it. It's a great tractor and it's far better built than I expected.
I know nothing about these, on here learning, but yea sounds way better
Well if ya add closed cell foam insulation under the hood. It will make a huge difference.
Not compatible to a NEW Kubota,. That one is nearly a decade old...
The true comparison would be is how they hold up after about 1500-2000 hours of operation. The one with the least trouble is the winner. What you are doing is hardly more than a sales pitch.
Very good comparison just wish you would have shown how to turn the seat
I'm buying a small homestead .60 acres would the CS2210 be a good fit for tilling,mowing, and snow removal? Thanks
So you are comparing a 2010 Kubota to a new model Mahindra?
He said they don't sell new kubota's please listen closely or did you expect him to purchase a new Kubota for the video just curious
Even then kubota wins. Mahindra is a pos
@@Gwalker0220 Mahindra just bolts on parts from others and subcontracts everything their machines have no consistency. I know for a fact they do not stand behind their products and parts are very difficult to find. I'm trying to decide between Kioti and Kubota but haven't found a good comparison "apples to apples". In my area the Kioti is significantly less expensive in south Texas but not sure on long term reliability or parts.
@@efraseleman55 I would go kioti. I love kubota but for the price you get alot of what would be options on a kubota... Search u tube for kioti... I've heard there very dependable and lift more...
@@efraseleman55 Utube search NB88. He has one that is really nice and its six years old...
Pretty clear Kubota got it right in the beginning and kept it that way.
Where's the Massey Ferguson GC1710/1720? If you look at them all and I think you're gona find a winner. I did, GC1710 TLB. I love it! But it is what your looking for in engine size vs hp, pto hp, not taking off 3 point to put back hoe on, etc. Chevy, Ford, Dodge, etc it's the same thing
MF? Or an Iseki?
I looked at the MF.... the seat is terrible no cushion or spring...
Funny how this guy is showing a old model BX kubota to other competitors. The kubota actually has a higher reach then all of them, rides better, best reliability in its class, and holds its value then any of the others. This guy is doing some weird picture angles and not saying facts. Look up online and compare real facts before you buy. This guy is just a honest jon
Everything true except compared to John deere
No bias, but I'm going to guess at heights, not line them up, compare new tractors with old, etc. Sorry, your video is basically a Mahindra advertisement.
Let's now compare the resale value... let's see how well the Mahindra performs with the same hours on it as the Kubota... Let's compare models the same age... actually, better not. Your favourite might not come out looking so good. But no bias!
Nice comparison....time to call Kubota dealer..
First, it's easy to design and build a tractor to compete and exceed that of an existing tried and trued model.
Second, Do you think it's remotely fair to compare two 2018 models against a 2008 or 2010 model...........
Always compare apples to apples...........no bias intended..
You might have added that the
Mahindra is the number 1 selling
Tractor in the world. Must be
A reason for that. Hmmm....
I didn’t hear a mention that the Kubota hydraulic lines are not exposed like the other 2 tractors. The loader and backhoe lines on the Mahindra and Kioti could easily be smashed or caught on a tree limb and broken. Whereas the Kubotas lines are ran inside the frame of the loader and backhoe.
I am sure somone could custom fabricate a tin box to cover around part of it and bolt it on somehow
Thanks for the video .. though outdated it still provided good info and things to lookout for .. greetings from the bottom of Australia . .
How exposed to damage are the hydraulic steering cylinders on these machines?
Mahindra model is made by TYM... i have that one as a TYM 254.. great unit
Love my Kioti CS2510. I looked at all of them before I bought.
I'd have to go with the Mahindra.
Thanks for the video.
Nice to see you having the Kioti in with them to compare the difference i was told my engine was a daedong in my cs2410 i will have to look but great video ! if i had the money i would take one of ea. they are all nice tractors !! have a great day ! Kioti Curt :-)
I have a 2410 as well, have you have many problems? Mine has been nothing but
@@forcesightknight Hi sorry did not see your post and so for just the wire on the fuel shutoff broke and it would not start but now i think my key switch is going out or a safty switch you get on and turn the key just clicks and dose not turn over some times ! so now i have to find and fix that ! what have you had problems with ?? Kioti Curt :-)
@@KiotiCS my start system had problems as well. A wire somewhere went bad so I added a button start under the seat. I've also gone thru 2 hydraulic cylinders for the bucket, the rod pulled out from the inner plug threads. I ordered my new replacement from northern hydraulics. The rod length is shorter but the rod has twice the diameter. My hydraulic controls had a bad mount, whomever assembled it only used 2 bolts to mount it and the crappy steel they used eventually fatigued and failed, I machined a new one from a piece of actual angle iron. I am currently machining a new mount for the drive rod that goes to the front end 4x4 system. The U mount that the flange and bearing mount to sheared off at the bottom of the U. For that I am using a pie email of box steel that I have had to grind down to accommodate for the flywheel because I have it running across to the other side. I may have to remove it and rework it if a want to mount a mower deck. While down there is noticed the the frame is cracked right by the welds that are there. All of this and it and it only has a little over 300 hours. Unfortunately the warranty is up. I'm also having a fault code of three long, three short and the dealer would take tell me what it is, only to bring good it in so they can look at it. Now I know what a junky must feel like when their drug dealer won't hook them up anymore. I just need a fix.
@@forcesightknight Sorry to hear that mine has just over 200 hr on it the 4x4 has been fine just starting problems but it runs good and the backhoe is nice and it runs a tiller good too !
@@KiotiCS I looked into the backhoe, for the price I think I'm going to go with a stand alone trailer trencher of comparable size. That way I can do twice the work in half the time without resetting the system. I can have the trencher on the truck and move dirt with the bucket of the tractor. HE sells one, but I'm going with a DR or somthing made in the good ol USA,made with actual steel and not whatever crap is coming from Asia.
this is a very good video where a man takes 20 min to explain that the difference between these three tractors is a 2 min conversation at best
Thnx for the demo. Am looking to buy a tractor. Looks like mahindra is doing very well
Nice review very informative. Wish the BX was newer but still great review.
Which tractor is a better quality and more reliable tractor, Kioti or a Massey Feeguson?
Très belle vidéo
Trois beau tracteurs
Ils sont différents mais super équipés ,
l'idéale serait de les essayer pour faire son choix👍👍👍
What is the dump clearance on these and the newer Kubota. All the way up on the loader with the bucket turned down to check clearance for dumping into a pickup bed. Thanks for the review!
Its just my pet peeve, but motors are electric. Engines are internal combustion. Thanks for the vid man!
Have you ever heard of the Dept. of engine vehicles?
Actually, pretty damn fair assessments. Color me impressed.
You can get ag tires on some BXs and cabs are available on the new ones. Also the loaded moves on the BX at idle, that one seems worn out.
Current Bx's do not offer true ag tires. Cab is something that was just released and we learned is now available, however it has not been an option for many years! Only aftermarket. But also keep in mind the cabs are only dealer installed, not factory cabs!
Like how you stress the Mahindra WILL have a two armrest seat but repeatedly state throughout the video we are not talking about the current models and there's no bias. Right.
The Kubota has had the skidsteer quick attach STANDARD since 2017. Face it, Kubota eats your lunch every day haha!!
Just got the new emax in with dual arm rests in to eat my lunch on lol. The quick attach was not a standard feature for awhile. We were unaware of it becoming standard. Kubota makes a decent sub compact tractor, there is a reason they sell so many. No need to get ur feathers all ruffled
Great video but would like to know what the difference in price.
Thanks for the comment. Pricing varies dealer to dealer. and in different areas of the country. However I can tell you all 3 of these machines will be priced in the 18,500-24,000 range depending on current promotions and financing options and estimated dealer markup.
What about after the sale service from Mahindra, or Coyote?
Should show on your future vids the difficulty levels if any, on uninstalling and installing the fel and backhoes on these tractors, by the way good job on the vid!
I think the biggest difference is what the cost and attachments you get. There all good tell something brakes.
I'll take the kioti
yep
73leo73 nope
Same Here - I have a CK3510 and it is amazing
would like to see John Deere & TYM also and how about New Holland .??
You and your crew did a great job...
Thanks!
why not test with Yanmar against these?
allen Henry he was just using what’s on the lot of his dealership.
Or Branson or Tym or LS? Frankly I'm not aware of a Yanmar dealer within 50 miles of me.
Looking tractors now, this was very helpful.
I have a KIOTI and love it.
my faviorate kubota
I would be much more interested in fails rather than sales!
Kubota 80 series all the way
The winner is! whoever makes a permanent subframe that works for mower, snowblower and and backhoe!!! And you don’t need to remove it wen using the loader.
Let’s see which one is still running 10 years from now. I’d say Kubota.
Kioti will too since it is Korean Made - good engineers
What would be your pick if you had to buy one? And why?
Also what about resell? Looking at getting one to clear cabin lots and work around home, would like to to be reliable and long lasting.
I have no experience in these nor do I know anything about them.
Your input would be great.
Don't get a kioti, I have one it's nothing but problems.
@@forcesightknight really. Is yours new?
@@Travide it only had 30 hours on it when I got it. Warranty wasnt "transferable " according to the dealership. It's got like 200 hours on it now, and first thing to go was the mount on the hydraulics. It only had 2 bolts where there should have been 4. Right now it won't start due to a safety short somewhere. Tried to brute start with an auxiliary button and still won't start. I'm trouble shooting every wire and I've had to break down the rear end to get to the wires. It could be the solinoid but the dealer hasn't got back with a price for it. Or a new air filter, or oil filter, which needs changing for many hours now. I have a fault code of 3 long 3 short. They won't tell me what it is unless I bring it in. I feel like a crack head trying to get a fix from my "dealer". So my experience with this thing has not been good, concerning working on it. When it's running, I do get stuff done, but it's been done now longer than I've had it running. I hope this answers some questions on its viability.
Lol comparing an old Kubota to two brand new tractors makes me want a Kubota more.
That's because the only way to find a comparably priced Kubota is to buy an old one with high hours. The premium cost doesn't stop there. The parts are ridiculously high too.
Screw the new tractors show us old ones in background
A great vid, thank you. Quick question. You concentrated on the Back hoe and shovel, but very little info on the ‘tractor’ aspects.
How are they at ploughing and tilling?
well... shit i took one of our old plows and cut 2 furrows off and my bx struggles with it lol the things boredom will make you do
would be nice to show the controls and instruments, thanks for the videos
Price differences? Pretty obvious the Mahindra offer a little more so where are they on price.
Hard to call it a comparison video when none of the tractors got dirty. Show a video of the work they can do.
Mahindra tractor sounds like it's from India... I am very interested... but then, I just found out on the company website that it's from Texas 😅
They are from India
Kubota has a self-leveling mower deck that's the best I've ever run.
Maybe its changed but last time I looked at a Kioti subcompact, the dealer told me it was a rebranded New Holland
Daedong Had a partnership and bought into shabirua, however that partnership has ended and Kioti is moving towards building everything themselves to not have to be relying on other companys. Shabirua had a partnership with new holland as well and produced a similar machine
Where are these three made? Nice comparison video. I heard what you said about the kubota being a little older and the mahindra also not being the latest model. I’d like to know where they are made and if possible an approximate price range for the three brands for these very similar models. Being that they are all very similar in size and functionality, I think price and dealer proximity would be the major determining factors. Also, since you sell all three brands can you make mention of warranties for them? Thanks.
I own a 2003 BX, been a great tractor until now. I can’t get repair parts. Been waiting since last Sept, it’s now Late May. Dealer told me my tractor is obsolete. Yeah right. No more Kubota for me.
Word on safety. Never walk under a raised implement or in it's swing radiuses.
I like the Mahindra bigger wheels but my 1025R I still think beats them all in ease of operation especially when installing the mower deck, loader, and backhoe. They all put themselves on. And take themselves off.
No actually Kubota SMOKES all the TLB manufacturers in their FEL and BH attachment/detachment ease and speed. Do your homework before spreading your opinion as fact.
@@reganmorben9248 I would challenge that as I can put my mower on and be mowing with it in under 1 minute. No way you can do that with a Kubota. And taking it off only requires a click of a lever and turn of a knob.
The loader does require me to get off and hook up or unhook the hydraulic lines where the Kubota is a single block. And I do have the parts to convert my John Deere to that system when I get time. And I plan on posting a video on that modification when I do it. That will make the loader very quick and easy but the way it is now you might beat me on the loader. It would be close.
The backhoe is extremely simple only hard thing is moving the hydraulics to line up the 2 pins on top after you use them to hook the bottom. It takes about 5 minutes to put it on and only 2 minutes tops to take off. Most of that is putting it on the dolly I put it on so it is on wheels so I can shove it in the corner of the garage.
@@reganmorben9248 I spread my Experience as fact not my opinion. My Neighbor had a Kubota BX23 (no backhoe) but loader and deck. We mostly tied on loader. But I smoked home on putting the deck on. Now he has a 1023r JD (mainly because of our local Kubota dealer taking over 4 months to replace a mower deck pro gear box) but he loves his new tractor. Now if I can get him to get a fork attachment so he quits Barrowing mine
I have a small Kubota manufactured in 1977 and still runs like a Swiss watch. No competition in my view. Have a look at them in 45years time then judge.
I think you should have given the pricing on each.
You should have mentioned the fact that the Mahindra doesn't have the DPF filter and how they spent 30+ million figuring out how to engineer it out of their tractors!
marc sene don't need dpf on anything 25hp and under.
Don’t need it under 25hp. Even over that, mCRD is just doc that has been around for a little while. Mahindra isn’t the first for that.
Mahindra dont build shit They just plaster their name on the side . A mahindra could be built by about 4 diffrent outfits
WVfarmer lol I now know why you leant towards farming. Your not very bright.
Any proof to your stupid accusations ?????? --------------Mahindra (by Mitsubishi, TYM) Oh and by the way John Calvin if it wasnt for Farmers you would starve to death so the stupid one is your self