This lifelong heavily addicted smoker gets it. Listen to him tell how and why he does it. ruclips.net/video/AK6Wsh14Wl4/видео.html David Hoffman filmmaker
I believe I met you back when I was a kid you were the camera man. :-) that was so long ago though, it was back in the 1980's. I also met a man who was a an actor for the cigarette commercials. Sadly he got cancer from smoking. I remember some joke his family played on him where they put chili or hot sauce in his food and, and he had lost his ability to taste the food well and so he couldn't tell, that was so long ago... I was in a crowd with a group of kids and they were telling kids how bad smoking was. Did you by chance fill the man at some school talking to kids? I don't recall to well anything it was so damn long ago. At one point I don't think you were filming.
Both my parents were heavy smokers, but we children hated it and never smoked cigarettes. I remember when smoking was allowed on airplanes! We children all had respiratory issues. Glad RUclips recommended your channel.
Powerful! David, you are a national treasure. I mean that. Your films bring forth a transparency today’s media can only dream of. Believe it or not I started smoking at the ripe old age of 10. My father and mother smoked, my aunts and uncles smoked and my friends and brother and sister smoked. In fact at that time in the fifties and sixties it was unusual to find someone who didn’t smoke. While in high school my friends and I had a favorite place of business to go to for that last smoke before classes started. It was a gasoline filling station run by an old guy who had a questionable reputation during his young life. He extended credit to his regular “boys” when we were a bit short and banned us if we went past his payup deadline so we made sure to settle our accounts. Nothing was worse than being banned from “Cecil’s” for even a single day! The Marlboro Man was my hero and I especially liked the flip top box. Each box contained 20 cigarettes and cost 20 cents a pack or a penny a cigarette. Joe Camel was popular as well but not my brand as well as “Granny” of the “Beverly Hillbillies” puffing away and declaring “Winston tastes good like a cigarette had oughta”!! Well from the way Irene Ryan who played Granny handled a Winston and puffed out the smoke it was obvious she wasn’t really a true smoker. No matter she contributed to the sale of the products in a big way. Tarzan, played by Johnny Wiesmuller, proudly proclaimed cigarettes and tobacco we’re actually a health product creating stronger lungs and bulkier muscles. All of this advertising was well before the ban on tobacco advertising in 1965. Finally I heeded the Surgeon General’s warning and quit for good in the late seventies. Today I see people paying six bucks a pack or more for what I payed, at the most, fifty cents at the time I gave it up. In fact the fifty cent a pack price did more to convince me to quit than the Surgeon General’s warning. I simply could no longer afford it. I have a daughter who smokes and she can never afford an entire pack. There are, where I live, tobacco shops that will break open a pack of cigarettes and sell them individually. That is illegal but they do it anyway and have a robust business selling cigarettes two or three at a time. Class action lawsuits against big tobacco slowed down the process for a time but they are back in full swing even though it was proven they injected addiction nicotine into their tobacco to insure addiction. I don’t know if these Phillip Morris executives believed their narratives but I did notice most of them smoked either cigars or a pipe. Two methods of smoking that had tobacco with inherently less harmful ingredients that the cigarette. Also pipe and cigar smokers were not inclined to inhale the smoke focusing instead on the flavor and essence of the product.
an american friend of mine had an interesting take: "every single piece of what we consider american culture has been sold to us by a large corporation"
@@prod.winterxphool6227 so are europe and japan, but they still have their traditional culture. i think, since USA is only 200 years old, and has little common history to call upon, its culture is dominated by the fact that it has always been a capitalist nation. capitalism created what USA is today, and the culture reflects it.
@@guguigugu You have to consider however, we live in the age of Modernity/Postmodernity. The industrial revolution started back in the 1800's, and triggered successive waves of technological advancement, transforming how we produce and live. "Modernity is the transient, the *fleeting* , the contingent; it is one half of art, the other being the *eternal* and the immovable." - Charles Baudelaire I believe we are still adjusting to this new world as human beings, and are beginning to recognize it's potentials, both good and bad. It is up to us to extract what is beautiful, valuable, and timeless from this era; a time when everything seems to be temporary, such as cars, architecture, fashion, music, writing and so on. And on the darker side of things; relationships, people, community, identity, country, freedom and sanity. What a civilization leaves behind for future generations is a spring of beauty. A monument to the spirit of a people, to God, and to the human race.
@@bjs301 I was born and raised in America, and I am 28 years old. Both my parents migrated here from the Soviet Union in the 1980's. I agree with you, that it's pathetic, because it reflects poorly on our country. However, ask yourself; if you approached several random black people under the age of 25, and asked each of them to name a dozen different blues artists, and a dozen different jazz artists, *from memory* and every artist had to be black, I guaran-fucking-tee you half the people you asked wouldn't be able to.
David I just want to thank you for what you do. Being able to see primary source footage from 50, 60 years ago is so amazing, and it allows the younger generations like myself to truly see how things were and the way life was.
If my grandfather hadn’t smoked so many cigarettes in the 1950s, he might still be around today. Of course, most of my family thought that he would develop lung cancer, which is bad enough, but instead, he developed vascular dementia. Within the span of about six years, he completely lost his identity. People with dementia die twice, not once. First, their personality dies, and then later, their body dies. My grandmother, who had been a very healthy woman, practically sacrificed her life taking care of him. Every time I see someone smoking a cigarette, I always think of the fate of my grandfather.
@@adamdunlaptv Just because they know its bad for them doesn't mean they won't smoke. People rationalize self destructive behavior all the time. They were smoking because they want to. They were defending it through lies because they are paid to.
Immensely powerful and a fitting tribute to this man’s commitment to community even in the face of tremendous personal hardship. A unique remembrance that only you could provide, sir. Nicely done.
@David Hoffman Sir you are a genius .We the younger generation of the 20th century don't know the past of marketing industry .This documentary shows everything what was wrong in that time time period. To my perspective did we change? - NO.Okay maybe the cigarette industry has changed but we the consumer never did.Thank you for the interesting video.
Big tobacco is now more interested in e-cigs like Juuls, because that's where the money is (except in third world countries, where cigarettes are still heavily marketed). Actual smoking of cigarettes has been cut in half in the past 10 years. Mainly from the social stigma, not any dire health warnings. That said, I've worked in healthcare for a long time and believe lung cancer is a blessing in disguise. Living for years with emphysema or COPD is hell and nothing but suffering. I would say "don't smoke kids, it's bad for you" but that's not how addiction works.
I've been investigating the tobacco industry for a school assignment and its utterly sicking the methods and lengths they go to get more consumers knowing full well their damage, currently i've been investigating the kent micronite filter and its shocking they knowingly sold this asbestos garbage. Thank you Hoffman for your work!
I remember doing a project in primary school about cigarettes and learning they'd put things like rat poison and all other garbage in their products. I learned so many things and remember being so shocked that grown ups would continue to smoke it.
i do believe all the pesticides, and additives for shelf life and cravings, are the worst part of the tobacco industry; as well as the food and drink industry these days.
Karl Papp yeah, you won't hear about primary school projects on that, though. Mid 90's they replace paddles with chemicals. Many have suffered and died as a result.
David, who is the narrator providing the voiceover for this documentary? I feel like his voice was EVERYWHERE in the 1980’s (I remember him being on children’s book-on-tapes during this time as well) but I’ve never been able to figure out his identity. Thank you in advance for all you do!
David it's worse than you think. I practiced medicine for 40 years in a place with a large cigarette factory. I had many patients in my practice employed there. These workers in the 80's &90's made in excess of $100,00/year operating the large machines. One day a 45 year old Chemist employed by the company presented with bronchitis. I ask him to update me on his history. A life long nonsmoker, he had started smoking in his 45th year of life. I had never encountered anyone that started smoking that late in life. I ask why. He looked me in the eye and said, "I couldn't get a promotion because I was a nonsmoker. It just doesn't get more evil than that. The company refused to acknowledge "addiction". They preferred the phrase "product devotion. They believed in one thing "PROFIT". Sadly enough the Federal Government is no less guilty. The Federal Government collected more in tobacco taxes than they paid out in Medicare expenses for lung and heart disease until the mid 80's. Some of the most powerful politicians were from Tobacco growing states. Lastly Social Security solvency was predicated on premature death from tobacco.
I worked in Respiratory care for 16 years. 8 out of every 10 Therapists were smokers, including myself, till I did the smart thing..., I Quit Cold Turkey. Crunching the Numbers at $5.00 a pack average, I have saved $62,962.50 ( or more) since 1997. You smokers are Burning down the house before you can even buy it.
@@rodneycaupp5962 Very true. Many long-term smokers may not get the house, but they will often have a constant companion, an Oxygen concentrator to tote around.
"It just doesn't get more evil than that." Oh, I wish there were time to pass on the stories of EVIL I and my family have been subjected to at the hands of medical 'professionals.' That employee had a choice. Too often, patients are not given enough choices.
@@rodneycaupp5962 That is still my right. The simple thing is, the more vicious you are the more vicious the opposition. Most smokers don't care who died from your family. Smokers know it is a vice out of many vices in a society. After a point, the righteousness of this cause becomes tyrannical. Therefore, all progress will cease. -EX-smoker (3 years)
My dad never smoked in his life I have never smoked as well my oldest brother has smoked but gave it up when he got in his 30s my middle brother never smoked at all, it's bad for your health and give you lung cancer or some kind of illness. Thanks for sharing this video and message.👍👍🙂🎥
Thank you for striving to present balance in your films, David. Awareness of points of view is so critical for the viewer. Sounds like the familiar, pleasant narrating voice of Peter Thomas.
That's not the attitudes of former smokers. We don't believe smoking is about freedom. It was slavery for us. However, those of us that managed to kick the habit through vaping, and our involvement with an industry that was built by former smokers for the benefit of smokers that long to be free, believe vaping is about freedom. We know vaping helped us, we know it's way healthier than smoking, and we know it works to help people kick the cigarette habit. And all the non-tobacco flavors that are available are a big part of why it worked for us. When politicians and lawmakers have their minds set on banning vaping, or even just non-tobacco flavors, because they think vaping is a gateway to smoking for teens (which it isn't), it makes us angry, not because we want teens to vape (we don't), but because we want the adults to quit smoking, and vaping often works where everything else has failed. So, yeah, vaping for us is about stepping out the bonds of the slavery that is smoking, into freedom. But smoking is NOT freedom. It never was.
super intersting to hear from the creators of one of these 'balanced' cigarette videos. I always wondered what went on in the smoke filled backrooms (pun intended), and how corporations skew the talking points they want you to use. thank you for the insight!
I know one thing. I can tell the difference between a cheap cigarette and, say, a Marlboro just by how it smelled when dad smoked. I think the cheap ones smell worse. I don't miss dad smoking. He quit last year when he had to start using oxygen. He is pretty much bedridden with heart, lung and kidney failure. I really don't know if smoking caused all of these problems because he is diabetic. He had his first heart attack at 40 in 1991 and triple bypass some 3 years later.
Not even 70 and he is suffering general multiple organ failure? What is his quality of life at the moment? Does he get to spend time with the grandkids? Is he a candidate for a heart-lung-kidney transplant?
@@kairollaabdulin5743 Sadly, dad paseed April 8, 2020. The day after I posted this comment. I totally forgot about this comment. There was quite a notcible decline in his health in his last few hours. He had been on hospice care for around three weeks. I forgot to mention that. At the time of his passing, due to COVID restrictions, we could only have 10 people total at his funeral.
We see this everywhere these days. It's hard to call advertising and commercials low grade and think they don't deserve freedom of speech protection because more and more people are now "entrepreneurs" selling their personal brand on social media - they are now the companies marketing themselves - and nothing they say cannot be considered a type of commercial. Suddenly we hear a lot of people (the loudest from the right, although there are many on the left too over specific subjects) talking about defending free speech. And everywhere everyone is talking about being "unbiased" - when unbiased just means that it agrees with the person's pre-existing ideology. We're not supposed to be unbiased, we're supposed to be objective. The news is supposed to be objective, not unbiased.
Great film. Interesting note. Wife and I have been noting nicotine packed products advertised now in 2020 on television. Then we realized, the cigarette television advertising ban in the 1960s attacked tobacco, not specifically the addictive nicotine. Well, I still support the American economy and honest, pure tobacco farmer … one cigar a day.
Excellent as usual, Mr. Hoffman. You asked for our opinion. The gentlemen in that meeting didn't smoke cigarettes, which are with a lot of chemicals, but a cigar and pipe. And they didn't swallow the smoke. I think they spoke to the camera. All premeditated words. It was fair. Those with eyes (and attention) could see.
In the United States, I beieve the ban on TV (and radio) cigarette adverising was implemented in 1971. I think they banned TV cigarette advertising in England in 1965.
It would be interesting to hear the current generations views on this. It seems so backwards in thought and values we had back then. We have come along way, but have we?
A very interesting documentary clip- it shows the dark side of corporatism getting behind 1A sensibilities, and may explain a few things on why authoritarian attitudes (currently from the left) may have risen lately. I'm from Washington state- our previous and former governor Chris(tine) Gregoire was VERY much part of the anti-smoking crusade, particularly Tobacco-Free Kids.
To have been fair and balanced, the ACLU would have been interviewed on their position on cigarette ads and commercials, as mentioned by one interviewee in the film.
1988 and it still goes on! Now States have gotten in on the act ,through a massive tax on each package of cigarettes. it's to the point that the tax is more than the product! In the name of health and safety🤔
What about my choice not wanting to inhale tobacco smoke? As a nonsmoker do I get to say or do I just have to swallow it whenever a smoker is near because his hobby is more important than my health? Also now we got the same discussion about car exhausts. Do people have the right to poison me with their car exhausts when there are other options of transport available? I think the argument with the fist hitting the nose is very succinct and to the point.
The Surgeon General advised me that smoking isn’t just bad, it’s downright hazardous to my health. So I never took it up. I’ve seen every add the cigarette companies put out since the Flintstones were telling me which cigarettes to smoke after their show, and I’ve never smoked. I still wish I was as cool as The Marlboro Man, yet I’ve never smoked. There is nothing the cigarette industry could say to me to turn me into a smoker. Consequently I am not afraid to let them have their say. I’m an adult, capable of making adult decisions all by myself and I don’t need the government protecting me from the tobacco companies. So in many ways I have to agree with the tobacco companies as slimy as they seem. Consider urban music, particularly rap and so called gangsta rap. It is violent, it is misogynistic, it glorifies criminal violence. Promoting such a degenerate culture is hazardous to my health as well but society hasn’t gone after such music with the same zealousness. It is said that Communism and Socialism have “killed” over 100 million people but I am allowed to put up pro-socialist ads anywhere I want. 100000 people per year die from hospital infections. Where’s the outrage ?
There is some legitimate condemnation of the tobacco companies when they were knowingly and intentionally misleading the public about risks that their own internal documentation clearly acknowledged. There is also strong evidence that they deliberately marketed towards children as well and I am not talking about teenagers either; I am talking about literal children. And not with Joe Camel or the Marlboro Man, but with Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble. That being said, I otherwise agree with you. At the end of the day, people should have the choice to do whatever they want with their own bodies. And the Nanny Statist mindset doesn't begin and end with tobacco either. Basically their dream society is one where everyone abstains from tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, refined sugars, added salt, and even premarital sex in some cases. Basically, they want everyone to become secular Mormons.
I have always known that the one with a wife and 6 kids was a chain smoker and drank like afish got the best hours, the friendlyest customers not only got paid more but got away with more.
🙏💝DAM DAVID 🙏💖 YOUR WORK IS AWESOME 👍 CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T SEE SOME OF THIS STUFF 🤔 BY HEY I WAS WORKING HEAVY CONSTRUCTION ALL OVER THE WESTERN U.S. NOT WATCHIN TV 🤔🤠❤️😺💜 WYOMING 🏞️🏔️🌄🇺🇸🔵💞
The amount of money and politics in the cigarette industry at the time is the issue. While they were contributing this massive amount of funding for many programs, it was to sell their product and they want to get as many people hooked as they can. While the freedom argument is a valid one, cigarettes were such a big part of american culture that they were almost molding it by making characters in television programming and advertisements appear "cool" to attract young smokers. Of course the cigarette giants didn't care about the potential dangers, they just want to sell their product and make more money at the expense of the people.
I used to have a lot of bikers for clients. After working with them, I believe a lot of those execs, as well as a lot of smokers, do believe what they were saying about freedom.
ditto1958 yes, today's Patrick Henry types are rare and little understood. Tim Pool made a joke of it by starting his ramblings with,"Give me liberty or give me death.....unless, of course, there is a new virus....or terrorist attacks...or.."
I don't like it, but Guy Smith is absolutely dead right about sin taxes. Taxing cigarettes hurts the working class. I have seen folks pay for their smokes when they cost dollar a pack and I watch them buy them now at $10 a pack. Giving people knowledge of the substance they are using is the best option. Education works better than sin taxes or prohibition at encouraging people to stop their addictions or even to not pick them up in the first place.
Former smoker here. We're making the same arguments about marijuana. Is a person free to put something in their own mouth as long as it doesn't affect others? Do businesses have the right to section off a portion of personal property for the purpose of letting smokers have a cigarette while keeping the second hand smoke away from non smokers? The difference between cigarettes and alcohol/marijuana is that cigarettes have an addictive chemical. Alcohol or marijuana addiction (for which there are no known cases) are behavioral & emotional conditions. We regulate opioids because of the addictive qualities. I believe compounds with addictive mechanisms should be regulated. However medical treatment should be how society helps addicts not incarceration.
@@pantroglodyte1011 I tried weed a few times as a teen. Didn't really impress me. Cigarettes are well documented on the dangerous components & addictive nature of nicotine. All the studies on alcohol show it's positive roll in the human diet if moderation is applied. There are no known dangers with marijuana outside of irritating the lungs from smoking (smoking anything isn't good for you). However much research has shown canibas is more effective & safe than ssri medications for depression, anxiety & adhd. Doctors have been clamoring for years how they want to treat autism, bipolar & many other neurological issues with canibas. It's also a sustainable industrial crop used for textiles & paper goods. If you want to see the effects of creating a black market out of consumables that have been part of humanity for thousands of years, just look @ the effects of prohibition. We now have the largest prison population in the world even larger than authoritarian communist China because of the failed "War on drugs" creating hardened criminals raised by the private prison system.
They are reminiscent of just about every news story and the whole social media culture. How many times do you read and hear comments commenting on how "biased" or "unbiased" the story is? This poison has filtered right down into society where people have internalized it. We're not supposed to be unbiased, we're supposed to be objective. They're not the same thing at all.
Do you believe that information was withheld for profit? (Of course.) Alcohol, anyone? Edit: I'm 3:30 minutes into it. Rhetorical question, answered. Insightful, quite profound video. History repeats itself.
Major US cigarette companies finally found a way to spank those who buy cheaper smokes at reservations. A brand made in Canada, shipped and trucked to US. We wondered why the price went up few years ago. Answer: bcuz trucks are using highways to deliver these smokes so a road tax imposed.... only for any rez in California. Sorry to ramble... thank you
Maybe I misheard or misunderstood, but did Mr. Pertschuk assert that the ACLU helped tobacco industries push the agenda of considering smoking an issue of freedom? If anyone could provide more context to this claim, I would appreciate it so that I'm sure I understand!
I believe that as a country which prides itself on being "free", it should be the individual who decides what to partake in. I also believe that it's a companie's right to utilize our current capitalistic system but not at the expenses of lives. Let the research be done, warn people about smoking but let the people decide to continue smoking. Do not let the company swindle people out of their health. 4/7/20
Well, I agree. I think smoking is very unhealthy. It increases the risk of a number of diseases, but ultimately, it should be left up to the individual because once the government starts becoming paternal; there's potentially no end to how much they are willing to butt into someone's person life.
My belief, because people smoking pipes and (to a lesser extent) cigars, were viewed as "dignified", a status symbol, something indulged in by affluent people (mostly men). Cigarettes however, were always viewed as more of a commoner's vice. The marketing for cigarettes really pushed this as well, if you recall some of the most ubiquitous marketing. Marlboro Man, Joe Camel, "You've come a long way, baby!" Virginia Slims, etc. all seemed coded toward working people trying to elevate themselves. Pipe smoking required a smoking jacket & smoking chair, and a scotch on the rocks or brandy snifter, relaxing in front of your massive fireplace reviewing the Stocks section of the newspaper (according to the marketing). Cigars were something handed out to everybody at the hospital by expectant fathers, before gender-reveals were a thing, or were smuggled in from Cuba to line the humidor on the boss' desk.
@@panzfaust9812 Yeah, my grandfather smoked pipe tobacco, and he never even brushed against being affluent (also, they had a wood stove, not a fireplace). I knew plenty of people throughout my life who *_did not_* meet these arbitrary prescriptivist lines in the sand, and yet the marketing _(let's be real, this is the literal definition of "propaganda")_ sure molded public perceptions thusly...
Cigarette smoking is ABSOLUTELY about freedom and personal choice. Whether or not cigarette companies are concerned with that is entirely irrelevant. It's their job to make money. They make money because PEOPLE LIKE AND WANT CIGARETTES! Leave them alone! Doctors don't get to decide how much liberty you should have with your own body.
@@goodforyou3000 Probably all the toxins in his body. Having said that, most people in the 70s smoked and moustaches were the order of the day, so I'm obviously wrong on that one!
JayJay Tailor it is amazing how much has been blamed on tobacco. It is also good to hear "I might be wrong." His reason for lack of facial hair is likely the same as mine; heritage from the first to use the leaf. In many tribes, it was only ceremonial use. Moderation still makes a difference.
@@jerryglenn5150There really is an advocate of every cause on the internet. I can't believe you are downplaying the effects of smoking in this day and age. Nothing has been "blamed" on tobacco, in fact scientists find out more negative health effects every year as they acquire more intricate and detailed knowledge. For example today we know that smoking is TERRIBLE for your fertility. Smoking degrades your sperm, that's a proven fact.
Whats the reason that nobody talks about alcohol? Yeah smoking is bad for your health. But theres a silent agreement that alcohol shouldnt be banned although its bad for your health too.
Because alcohol in moderation isn't bad for you, and wine in various amounts is implicated as being GOOD for you. Plus alcohol closely parallels the development of cereal grain agriculture, bread, and thus the history of civilization itself.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker What year was this and do you remember the exact date of the interview. May be able to track them down. I'll help. I want to know if they died of tobacco related death.
When it comes to drugs and alcohol, i think that Tobacco is the lamest drug around, you don't get a high, you don't get drunk, all you get is intentionally highly addictive additions to the lame tobacco, that messes with your brain, and the only reason tobacco is even relevant at all is because during the colonial era, they made so much of it, through the work of slaves, mostly in the Caribbean. Alcohol, on the other hand has a much more legitimate reason to exist, since it was used a clean drinking alternative before trustworthy drinking water, and some of the earliest alcohol in history contained around 1% alcohol, meaning it was very safe to consume, only around the middle ages was higher alcohol contents possible. Point being Drugs ain't "too" healthy, but when the lamest drug is designed to be more addictive then crack cocaine, then something is very wrong.
I’m interested if porn addiction finally gets recognized, labeled and restricted to unaware people.. This serious problem only recognized in some states, apparently not in Ukraine
7:54 yeah just because the supreme court didn't consider commercials to be protected under the 1st amendment because they were "such a low form of speech" doesn't make it right. Imagine relating that to other forms of speech. Restriction on free speech are supposed to be very slim and narrow, like perjury (a very loaded statement I know, but for the sake of space the other limits and the discussion of them is not for here). A private company should be able to advertise their product with out the government blocking them. The real debate should be the nature of what they are saying. If it can proven that cigs can give you cancer, but the ads say they can't give you cancer, the company would be liable (Lanham Act I believe, but I am not an expert). Lawsuits would correct that behavior, or then the government can step in maybe. Another part of the debate would be about letting people do things/consume things that are bad for them. Can snake oil man advertise acid on TV as mouthwash? Is that the same as Bud's advertising beer? If people are allowed to smoke, therefore companies should be allowed to sell cigarettes and if you can sell it, why can't you advertise it? It's a war of information, and the right side is to be on the side of information, not restricting it. We have to remember WHO is going to be making those calls of restricting it, and do we or should we trust them with stuff like this. It sets precedents that can be used else where that we don't think they should be used, even if we like these restrictions being used against those we don't like.
Why would you do that stunad ?? now we got drug commercials and little feminine boys with buns in their hair running around with pink and blue glowing sticks puffing out steam....
This lifelong heavily addicted smoker gets it. Listen to him tell how and why he does it. ruclips.net/video/AK6Wsh14Wl4/видео.html
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I believe I met you back when I was a kid you were the camera man. :-) that was so long ago though, it was back in the 1980's. I also met a man who was a an actor for the cigarette commercials. Sadly he got cancer from smoking. I remember some joke his family played on him where they put chili or hot sauce in his food and, and he had lost his ability to taste the food well and so he couldn't tell, that was so long ago... I was in a crowd with a group of kids and they were telling kids how bad smoking was. Did you by chance fill the man at some school talking to kids? I don't recall to well anything it was so damn long ago. At one point I don't think you were filming.
My husband was born in 1952 and always wanted to be as cool as the Marlboro Man. I buried him in 2017. Thank you for sharing this!
Quarantine isn’t boring as long as David is posting videos !
Wow. Quite a compliment. I think I'm going to celebrate your comment with a great lunch.
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Yes, and what a service too, very lucky to have someone posting video material from the past on such a regular basis!
Both my parents were heavy smokers, but we children hated it and never smoked cigarettes. I remember when smoking was allowed on airplanes! We children all had respiratory issues. Glad RUclips recommended your channel.
Powerful! David, you are a national treasure. I mean that. Your films bring forth a transparency today’s media can only dream of. Believe it or not I started smoking at the ripe old age of 10. My father and mother smoked, my aunts and uncles smoked and my friends and brother and sister smoked. In fact at that time in the fifties and sixties it was unusual to find someone who didn’t smoke. While in high school my friends and I had a favorite place of business to go to for that last smoke before classes started. It was a gasoline filling station run by an old guy who had a questionable reputation during his young life. He extended credit to his regular “boys” when we were a bit short and banned us if we went past his payup deadline so we made sure to settle our accounts. Nothing was worse than being banned from “Cecil’s” for even a single day! The Marlboro Man was my hero and I especially liked the flip top box. Each box contained 20 cigarettes and cost 20 cents a pack or a penny a cigarette. Joe Camel was popular as well but not my brand as well as “Granny” of the “Beverly Hillbillies” puffing away and declaring “Winston tastes good like a cigarette had oughta”!! Well from the way Irene Ryan who played Granny handled a Winston and puffed out the smoke it was obvious she wasn’t really a true smoker. No matter she contributed to the sale of the products in a big way. Tarzan, played by Johnny Wiesmuller, proudly proclaimed cigarettes and tobacco we’re actually a health product creating stronger lungs and bulkier muscles. All of this advertising was well before the ban on tobacco advertising in 1965. Finally I heeded the Surgeon General’s warning and quit for good in the late seventies. Today I see people paying six bucks a pack or more for what I payed, at the most, fifty cents at the time I gave it up. In fact the fifty cent a pack price did more to convince me to quit than the Surgeon General’s warning. I simply could no longer afford it. I have a daughter who smokes and she can never afford an entire pack. There are, where I live, tobacco shops that will break open a pack of cigarettes and sell them individually. That is illegal but they do it anyway and have a robust business selling cigarettes two or three at a time. Class action lawsuits against big tobacco slowed down the process for a time but they are back in full swing even though it was proven they injected addiction nicotine into their tobacco to insure addiction. I don’t know if these Phillip Morris executives believed their narratives but I did notice most of them smoked either cigars or a pipe. Two methods of smoking that had tobacco with inherently less harmful ingredients that the cigarette. Also pipe and cigar smokers were not inclined to inhale the smoke focusing instead on the flavor and essence of the product.
Thank you Dale.
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Pipe smokers did inhale. My brother died of esophageal cancer because of it
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an american friend of mine had an interesting take: "every single piece of what we consider american culture has been sold to us by a large corporation"
We are in the age of late stage capitalism and this is what we get
@@prod.winterxphool6227 so are europe and japan, but they still have their traditional culture. i think, since USA is only 200 years old, and has little common history to call upon, its culture is dominated by the fact that it has always been a capitalist nation. capitalism created what USA is today, and the culture reflects it.
@@guguigugu You have to consider however, we live in the age of Modernity/Postmodernity.
The industrial revolution started back in the 1800's, and triggered successive waves of technological advancement, transforming how we produce and live.
"Modernity is the transient, the *fleeting* , the contingent; it is one half of art, the other being the *eternal* and the immovable."
- Charles Baudelaire
I believe we are still adjusting to this new world as human beings, and are beginning to recognize it's potentials, both good and bad.
It is up to us to extract what is beautiful, valuable, and timeless from this era; a time when everything seems to be temporary, such as cars, architecture, fashion, music, writing and so on.
And on the darker side of things; relationships, people, community, identity, country, freedom and sanity.
What a civilization leaves behind for future generations is a spring of beauty.
A monument to the spirit of a people, to God, and to the human race.
@@bjs301 Americans themselves are guilty of it. What gets fed to us is pop-culture based, and lacks real tradition behind it.
@@bjs301 I was born and raised in America, and I am 28 years old.
Both my parents migrated here from the Soviet Union in the 1980's.
I agree with you, that it's pathetic, because it reflects poorly on our country.
However, ask yourself; if you approached several random black people under the age of 25, and asked each of them to name a dozen different blues artists, and a dozen different jazz artists, *from memory* and every artist had to be black,
I guaran-fucking-tee you half the people you asked wouldn't be able to.
David I just want to thank you for what you do. Being able to see primary source footage from 50, 60 years ago is so amazing, and it allows the younger generations like myself to truly see how things were and the way life was.
1988, I was in College and I remember representatives from cigarette companies walking around campus handing out free cigarettes to us.
I haven't smoked in 2 years, and that still sounds frikin awesome to my younger self.
Free smokes at school? Truly a different age...
When I was in school back in 2001, Pepsi would stop by with crates of soda handing them out to everyone. They love poisoning kids.
If my grandfather hadn’t smoked so many cigarettes in the 1950s, he might still be around today. Of course, most of my family thought that he would develop lung cancer, which is bad enough, but instead, he developed vascular dementia. Within the span of about six years, he completely lost his identity. People with dementia die twice, not once. First, their personality dies, and then later, their body dies. My grandmother, who had been a very healthy woman, practically sacrificed her life taking care of him. Every time I see someone smoking a cigarette, I always think of the fate of my grandfather.
i had a couple of uncles that drank and smoked most of their life. one died of lung cancer, the other of stomach cancer.
Joseph Logsdon wait, so u think smoking had to do with his dementia? 🤔 because my grandfather also smoked & has dementia ..
My mom had the same exact thing and never smoked a cigarette in her life, was not even around smokers
It may not have had anything to do with smoking
The Mad Men group would have loved to get this advertising account back in the day.
Y'mean Stirling, Cooper or Stirling, Cooper, Draper, Price? 😁
@@dizmop Exactly.
Last time I was this early people still smoked cigs against asthma.
there are cases where smoking will alleviate an asthma attack (in case they forgot the puffer).
@@carlosgaspar8447 No. Smoking heroin can alleviate an asthma attack because of the respiratory depression, but that is IT.
@Bodhi Sattva Not exactly, but with the fentanyl in everything that is a very good assumption to operate on.
They absolutely did not believe what they were saying. $$$$ baybeeeee
They did believe it. They were all smoking while they were saying it.
@@adamdunlaptv Just because they know its bad for them doesn't mean they won't smoke. People rationalize self destructive behavior all the time. They were smoking because they want to. They were defending it through lies because they are paid to.
Immensely powerful and a fitting tribute to this man’s commitment to community even in the face of tremendous personal hardship. A unique remembrance that only you could provide, sir. Nicely done.
@David Hoffman Sir you are a genius .We the younger generation of the 20th century don't know the past of marketing industry .This documentary shows everything what was wrong in that time time period. To my perspective did we change? - NO.Okay maybe the cigarette industry has changed but we the consumer never did.Thank you for the interesting video.
the principles of marketing are still the same, because they still work.
@@guguigugu yes 😏
Big tobacco is now more interested in e-cigs like Juuls, because that's where the money is (except in third world countries, where cigarettes are still heavily marketed). Actual smoking of cigarettes has been cut in half in the past 10 years. Mainly from the social stigma, not any dire health warnings. That said, I've worked in healthcare for a long time and believe lung cancer is a blessing in disguise. Living for years with emphysema or COPD is hell and nothing but suffering. I would say "don't smoke kids, it's bad for you" but that's not how addiction works.
That narrators voice! Brings back memories. Always a great upload David!
I've been investigating the tobacco industry for a school assignment and its utterly sicking the methods and lengths they go to get more consumers knowing full well their damage, currently i've been investigating the kent micronite filter and its shocking they knowingly sold this asbestos garbage.
Thank you Hoffman for your work!
Yea, thats fucked. We definitely knew by then that asbestos gave you cancer
I remember doing a project in primary school about cigarettes and learning they'd put things like rat poison and all other garbage in their products. I learned so many things and remember being so shocked that grown ups would continue to smoke it.
@J. M. Well the pesticides used to produce tobacco aren't healthy and do affect the longs
i do believe all the pesticides, and additives for shelf life and cravings, are the worst part of the tobacco industry; as well as the food and drink industry these days.
Karl Papp yeah, you won't hear about primary school projects on that, though. Mid 90's they replace paddles with chemicals. Many have suffered and died as a result.
David, who is the narrator providing the voiceover for this documentary? I feel like his voice was EVERYWHERE in the 1980’s (I remember him being on children’s book-on-tapes during this time as well) but I’ve never been able to figure out his identity. Thank you in advance for all you do!
He is Peter Thomas, my old friend. Passed on.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Thank you, David! Condolences on the loss of your friend
David it's worse than you think. I practiced medicine for 40 years in a place with a large cigarette factory. I had many patients in my practice employed there. These workers in the 80's &90's made in excess of $100,00/year operating the large machines.
One day a 45 year old Chemist employed by the company presented with bronchitis. I ask him to update me on his history. A life long nonsmoker, he had started smoking in his 45th year of life. I had never encountered anyone that started smoking that late in life. I ask why. He looked me in the eye and said, "I couldn't get a promotion because I was a nonsmoker. It just doesn't get more evil than that. The company refused to acknowledge "addiction". They preferred the phrase "product devotion. They believed in one thing
"PROFIT".
Sadly enough the Federal Government is no less guilty. The Federal Government collected more in tobacco taxes than they paid out in Medicare expenses for lung and heart disease until the mid 80's. Some of the most powerful politicians were from Tobacco growing states. Lastly Social Security solvency was predicated on premature death from tobacco.
I worked in Respiratory care for 16 years. 8 out of every 10 Therapists were smokers, including myself, till I did the smart thing..., I Quit Cold Turkey. Crunching the Numbers at $5.00 a pack average, I have saved $62,962.50 ( or more) since 1997. You smokers are Burning down the house before you can even buy it.
@@rodneycaupp5962 Very true. Many long-term smokers may not get the house, but they will often have a constant companion, an Oxygen concentrator to tote around.
"It just doesn't get more evil than that." Oh, I wish there were time to pass on the stories of EVIL I and my family have been subjected to at the hands of medical 'professionals.' That employee had a choice. Too often, patients are not given enough choices.
@@rodneycaupp5962 That is still my right. The simple thing is, the more vicious you are the more vicious the opposition. Most smokers don't care who died from your family. Smokers know it is a vice out of many vices in a society. After a point, the righteousness of this cause becomes tyrannical. Therefore, all progress will cease.
-EX-smoker (3 years)
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Such as victims of male genital mutilation/clrcumcision.
The "sugar-extracts" industry needs to see smoking regulations.
My dad never smoked in his life I have never smoked as well my oldest brother has smoked but gave it up when he got in his 30s my middle brother never smoked at all, it's bad for your health and give you lung cancer or some kind of illness. Thanks for sharing this video and message.👍👍🙂🎥
Thank you for striving to present balance in your films, David. Awareness of points of view is so critical for the viewer.
Sounds like the familiar, pleasant narrating voice of Peter Thomas.
Spot on! That board meeting was chilling, you got unprecedented access.. wow!
Man, I dig your videos. Should release a big box set of all the best stuff on Blu-ray.
That's not the attitudes of former smokers. We don't believe smoking is about freedom. It was slavery for us.
However, those of us that managed to kick the habit through vaping, and our involvement with an industry that was built by former smokers for the benefit of smokers that long to be free, believe vaping is about freedom. We know vaping helped us, we know it's way healthier than smoking, and we know it works to help people kick the cigarette habit. And all the non-tobacco flavors that are available are a big part of why it worked for us.
When politicians and lawmakers have their minds set on banning vaping, or even just non-tobacco flavors, because they think vaping is a gateway to smoking for teens (which it isn't), it makes us angry, not because we want teens to vape (we don't), but because we want the adults to quit smoking, and vaping often works where everything else has failed.
So, yeah, vaping for us is about stepping out the bonds of the slavery that is smoking, into freedom. But smoking is NOT freedom. It never was.
DAVID- And it is SO sad the young people (under 28) are taking up smoking in large numbers, maybe seeing this they will think twice!!!
"they're a company that's in business to make money" (9min 40sec)
super intersting to hear from the creators of one of these 'balanced' cigarette videos. I always wondered what went on in the smoke filled backrooms (pun intended), and how corporations skew the talking points they want you to use. thank you for the insight!
As a smoker who just finished a smoke. Those tobacco company's are full of hot air. They just want the money
To me that Peter Thomas must have been THE voice to get to narrate a documentary. He was just so damn smooth.
I wonder if he smoked?
Probably not. He lived into his 90’s I believe. I shamefully still smoke. I have a pretty great speaking voice. But I’ll never see 90.
Thank you for sharing this content it's always greatly appreciated...
6:44 "the black that's gotten off of welfare, that's trying to get go work"
This dude
Mate! I listened 3x in total shock
@@masquarrawhat was wrong with his statement?
I know one thing. I can tell the difference between a cheap cigarette and, say, a Marlboro just by how it smelled when dad smoked. I think the cheap ones smell worse. I don't miss dad smoking. He quit last year when he had to start using oxygen. He is pretty much bedridden with heart, lung and kidney failure. I really don't know if smoking caused all of these problems because he is diabetic. He had his first heart attack at 40 in 1991 and triple bypass some 3 years later.
Not even 70 and he is suffering general multiple organ failure? What is his quality of life at the moment? Does he get to spend time with the grandkids? Is he a candidate for a heart-lung-kidney transplant?
@@gregorymalchuk272 He's on hospice care now. I'm his only child and never was in a position to have a child.
How's it now, man? Is ur father okay? Like, 2 years passed, things changed
@@kairollaabdulin5743 Sadly, dad paseed April 8, 2020. The day after I posted this comment. I totally forgot about this comment. There was quite a notcible decline in his health in his last few hours. He had been on hospice care for around three weeks. I forgot to mention that. At the time of his passing, due to COVID restrictions, we could only have 10 people total at his funeral.
@@jefferyb304 Rest in peace your father. Hope he's in better place now. At least he haven't seen all the shit goin' down in 2022
We see this everywhere these days. It's hard to call advertising and commercials low grade and think they don't deserve freedom of speech protection because more and more people are now "entrepreneurs" selling their personal brand on social media - they are now the companies marketing themselves - and nothing they say cannot be considered a type of commercial. Suddenly we hear a lot of people (the loudest from the right, although there are many on the left too over specific subjects) talking about defending free speech. And everywhere everyone is talking about being "unbiased" - when unbiased just means that it agrees with the person's pre-existing ideology. We're not supposed to be unbiased, we're supposed to be objective. The news is supposed to be objective, not unbiased.
Great film. Interesting note. Wife and I have been noting nicotine packed products advertised now in 2020 on television. Then we realized, the cigarette television advertising ban in the 1960s attacked tobacco, not specifically the addictive nicotine. Well, I still support the American economy and honest, pure tobacco farmer … one cigar a day.
My body my choice. simple
Amen 💓
retired broker agreed. More harm than good has been done by the war on drugs.
Excellent as usual, Mr. Hoffman. You asked for our opinion. The gentlemen in that meeting didn't smoke cigarettes, which are with a lot of chemicals, but a cigar and pipe. And they didn't swallow the smoke. I think they spoke to the camera. All premeditated words. It was fair. Those with eyes (and attention) could see.
You're doing amazing work, Mr. Hoffman.
Mate, you're an absolute legend. Thanks for this.
Very fascinating thank you
Do you have a full video of the marketing meeting? That seems very interesting.
In the United States, I beieve the ban on TV (and radio) cigarette adverising was implemented in 1971. I think they banned TV cigarette advertising in England in 1965.
It would be interesting to hear the current generations views on this. It seems so backwards in thought and values we had back then. We have come along way, but have we?
So, this cigarette guy was the one who put Monica Lewinsky on blast every single day?
What a creep.
Great work. Much love
A very interesting documentary clip- it shows the dark side of corporatism getting behind 1A sensibilities, and may explain a few things on why authoritarian attitudes (currently from the left) may have risen lately.
I'm from Washington state- our previous and former governor Chris(tine) Gregoire was VERY much part of the anti-smoking crusade, particularly Tobacco-Free Kids.
To have been fair and balanced, the ACLU would have been interviewed on their position on cigarette ads and commercials, as mentioned by one interviewee in the film.
Great film, even better with Peter Thomas.. :)
My dad was born in 1951 he smoked Marlboro Red he died young at 56
1988 and it still goes on! Now States have gotten in on the act ,through a massive tax on each package of cigarettes. it's to the point that the tax is more than the product! In the name of health and safety🤔
What about my choice not wanting to inhale tobacco smoke? As a nonsmoker do I get to say or do I just have to swallow it whenever a smoker is near because his hobby is more important than my health? Also now we got the same discussion about car exhausts. Do people have the right to poison me with their car exhausts when there are other options of transport available? I think the argument with the fist hitting the nose is very succinct and to the point.
Oh man I need a cigarette.
The Surgeon General advised me that smoking isn’t just bad, it’s downright hazardous to my health. So I never took it up. I’ve seen every add the cigarette companies put out since the Flintstones were telling me which cigarettes to smoke after their show, and I’ve never smoked. I still wish I was as cool as The Marlboro Man, yet I’ve never smoked.
There is nothing the cigarette industry could say to me to turn me into a smoker. Consequently I am not afraid to let them have their say. I’m an adult, capable of making adult decisions all by myself and I don’t need the government protecting me from the tobacco companies.
So in many ways I have to agree with the tobacco companies as slimy as they seem.
Consider urban music, particularly rap and so called gangsta rap. It is violent, it is misogynistic, it glorifies criminal violence. Promoting such a degenerate culture is hazardous to my health as well but society hasn’t gone after such music with the same zealousness.
It is said that Communism and Socialism have “killed” over 100 million people but I am allowed to put up pro-socialist ads anywhere I want.
100000 people per year die from hospital infections. Where’s the outrage ?
There is some legitimate condemnation of the tobacco companies when they were knowingly and intentionally misleading the public about risks that their own internal documentation clearly acknowledged. There is also strong evidence that they deliberately marketed towards children as well and I am not talking about teenagers either; I am talking about literal children. And not with Joe Camel or the Marlboro Man, but with Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble.
That being said, I otherwise agree with you.
At the end of the day, people should have the choice to do whatever they want with their own bodies. And the Nanny Statist mindset doesn't begin and end with tobacco either. Basically their dream society is one where everyone abstains from tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, refined sugars, added salt, and even premarital sex in some cases. Basically, they want everyone to become secular Mormons.
Edward Bernay had also a big impact on smoking and "freedom"
Virgina Slims commercial was a spin on freedom and independence. Women now had their own cigarette.
I have always known that the one with a wife and 6 kids was a chain smoker and drank like afish got the best hours, the friendlyest customers not only got paid more but got away with more.
🙏💝DAM DAVID 🙏💖 YOUR WORK IS AWESOME 👍 CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T SEE SOME OF THIS STUFF 🤔 BY HEY I WAS WORKING HEAVY CONSTRUCTION ALL OVER THE WESTERN U.S. NOT WATCHIN TV 🤔🤠❤️😺💜 WYOMING 🏞️🏔️🌄🇺🇸🔵💞
The amount of money and politics in the cigarette industry at the time is the issue. While they were contributing this massive amount of funding for many programs, it was to sell their product and they want to get as many people hooked as they can. While the freedom argument is a valid one, cigarettes were such a big part of american culture that they were almost molding it by making characters in television programming and advertisements appear "cool" to attract young smokers. Of course the cigarette giants didn't care about the potential dangers, they just want to sell their product and make more money at the expense of the people.
My mother was friends with the Marlboro man in montana
I used to have a lot of bikers for clients. After working with them, I believe a lot of those execs, as well as a lot of smokers, do believe what they were saying about freedom.
ditto1958 yes, today's Patrick Henry types are rare and little understood. Tim Pool made a joke of it by starting his ramblings with,"Give me liberty or give me death.....unless, of course, there is a new virus....or terrorist attacks...or.."
I don't like it, but Guy Smith is absolutely dead right about sin taxes.
Taxing cigarettes hurts the working class.
I have seen folks pay for their smokes when they cost dollar a pack and I watch them buy them now at $10 a pack.
Giving people knowledge of the substance they are using is the best option. Education works better than sin taxes or prohibition at encouraging people to stop their addictions or even to not pick them up in the first place.
Brain food great share 💙💙💙
Their idea of far is very different from the perspective of the people they deceived into starting the habit that lingered in beds dying.
Former smoker here. We're making the same arguments about marijuana. Is a person free to put something in their own mouth as long as it doesn't affect others? Do businesses have the right to section off a portion of personal property for the purpose of letting smokers have a cigarette while keeping the second hand smoke away from non smokers? The difference between cigarettes and alcohol/marijuana is that cigarettes have an addictive chemical. Alcohol or marijuana addiction (for which there are no known cases) are behavioral & emotional conditions. We regulate opioids because of the addictive qualities.
I believe compounds with addictive mechanisms should be regulated. However medical treatment should be how society helps addicts not incarceration.
lol all three are addictive. they are all destructive and i guess people should find out for themselves and wreak havoc along the way..
@@pantroglodyte1011 I tried weed a few times as a teen. Didn't really impress me. Cigarettes are well documented on the dangerous components & addictive nature of nicotine. All the studies on alcohol show it's positive roll in the human diet if moderation is applied. There are no known dangers with marijuana outside of irritating the lungs from smoking (smoking anything isn't good for you). However much research has shown canibas is more effective & safe than ssri medications for depression, anxiety & adhd. Doctors have been clamoring for years how they want to treat autism, bipolar & many other neurological issues with canibas. It's also a sustainable industrial crop used for textiles & paper goods.
If you want to see the effects of creating a black market out of consumables that have been part of humanity for thousands of years, just look @ the effects of prohibition. We now have the largest prison population in the world even larger than authoritarian communist China because of the failed "War on drugs" creating hardened criminals raised by the private prison system.
@7:41 is Michael Pertschuk related to Tom Hanks? It’s subtle but there is a physical and vocal resemblance.
Thanks
I think they were trying to figure out how to use their money to help the person who just started working or that's what it sounds like
These Philip-Morris folks made arguments very reminiscent of our Amendment Two, ultra-gun rights folks of today.
They are reminiscent of just about every news story and the whole social media culture. How many times do you read and hear comments commenting on how "biased" or "unbiased" the story is? This poison has filtered right down into society where people have internalized it. We're not supposed to be unbiased, we're supposed to be objective. They're not the same thing at all.
Interesting.
Do you believe that information was withheld for profit? (Of course.) Alcohol, anyone? Edit: I'm 3:30 minutes into it. Rhetorical question, answered. Insightful, quite profound video. History repeats itself.
Best video on the RUclips
Thank you Red.
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Thanks!
Sweet of you Cyndi. Thank you from me.
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Major US cigarette companies finally found a way to spank those who buy cheaper smokes at reservations. A brand made in Canada, shipped and trucked to US. We wondered why the price went up few years ago. Answer: bcuz trucks are using highways to deliver these smokes so a road tax imposed.... only for any rez in California. Sorry to ramble... thank you
Maybe I misheard or misunderstood, but did Mr. Pertschuk assert that the ACLU helped tobacco industries push the agenda of considering smoking an issue of freedom?
If anyone could provide more context to this claim, I would appreciate it so that I'm sure I understand!
I believe that as a country which prides itself on being "free", it should be the individual who decides what to partake in. I also believe that it's a companie's right to utilize our current capitalistic system but not at the expenses of lives. Let the research be done, warn people about smoking but let the people decide to continue smoking. Do not let the company swindle people out of their health. 4/7/20
Thoughts?
Well, I agree.
I think smoking is very unhealthy. It increases the risk of a number of diseases, but ultimately, it should be left up to the individual because once the government starts becoming paternal; there's potentially no end to how much they are willing to butt into someone's person life.
I didn’t know that Tom Hanks had a brother named Micheal pertschuk that works at the press advocacy?
wonder why pipe smoking wasnt as stigmatized
My belief, because people smoking pipes and (to a lesser extent) cigars, were viewed as "dignified", a status symbol, something indulged in by affluent people (mostly men).
Cigarettes however, were always viewed as more of a commoner's vice. The marketing for cigarettes really pushed this as well, if you recall some of the most ubiquitous marketing.
Marlboro Man, Joe Camel, "You've come a long way, baby!" Virginia Slims, etc. all seemed coded toward working people trying to elevate themselves.
Pipe smoking required a smoking jacket & smoking chair, and a scotch on the rocks or brandy snifter, relaxing in front of your massive fireplace reviewing the Stocks section of the newspaper (according to the marketing).
Cigars were something handed out to everybody at the hospital by expectant fathers, before gender-reveals were a thing, or were smuggled in from Cuba to line the humidor on the boss' desk.
@@NightsReign the power of marketing huh. People were still pipe smoking until 1945 also been around for hundreds of years before it was killed
@@panzfaust9812 Yeah, my grandfather smoked pipe tobacco, and he never even brushed against being affluent (also, they had a wood stove, not a fireplace). I knew plenty of people throughout my life who *_did not_* meet these arbitrary prescriptivist lines in the sand, and yet the marketing _(let's be real, this is the literal definition of "propaganda")_ sure molded public perceptions thusly...
Cigarette smoking is ABSOLUTELY about freedom and personal choice. Whether or not cigarette companies are concerned with that is entirely irrelevant. It's their job to make money. They make money because PEOPLE LIKE AND WANT CIGARETTES! Leave them alone! Doctors don't get to decide how much liberty you should have with your own body.
Is vaping safer?
I Love David Hoffman youtube channel
Please what is Fair and Balance ?
Is Guy Smith still alive? Moreover, if he is, does he still smoke? Hmmmmm...........
He ran as Democrat for governor of Connecticut and he was an adviser to the Clinton administration. And to this day he cannot grow facial hair.
@@goodforyou3000 Probably all the toxins in his body. Having said that, most people in the 70s smoked and moustaches were the order of the day, so I'm obviously wrong on that one!
JayJay Tailor it is amazing how much has been blamed on tobacco. It is also good to hear "I might be wrong." His reason for lack of facial hair is likely the same as mine; heritage from the first to use the leaf. In many tribes, it was only ceremonial use. Moderation still makes a difference.
@@jerryglenn5150There really is an advocate of every cause on the internet. I can't believe you are downplaying the effects of smoking in this day and age. Nothing has been "blamed" on tobacco, in fact scientists find out more negative health effects every year as they acquire more intricate and detailed knowledge. For example today we know that smoking is TERRIBLE for your fertility. Smoking degrades your sperm, that's a proven fact.
The facial hair was in jest you guys.
Is the voice actor the same as the one in forensic files? Sounds very familiar.
yes. My friend. Peter Thomas.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker What a treat to hear him do these older videos. He's quite the talent.
Check out "Manufactured Consent" there's a few cool documentaries on the topic.
Dear David, are you the film’s narrator? Thanks
No. The great Peter Thomas is.
David Hoffman - filmmaker
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Ah ok, so it is my mind playing tricks on me... Thank you again for all of your great work
Is that Peter Thomas doing the narrative????
Yes it is. I will be releasing a video later on today about my relationship with Peter over the entire length of my career.
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Tobacco is a plant given to us by God!
Home run
At the world's fair way back when where a mouse was painted with a qtip full of nicotine died.
Whats the reason that nobody talks about alcohol? Yeah smoking is bad for your health. But theres a silent agreement that alcohol shouldnt be banned although its bad for your health too.
Because alcohol in moderation isn't bad for you, and wine in various amounts is implicated as being GOOD for you. Plus alcohol closely parallels the development of cereal grain agriculture, bread, and thus the history of civilization itself.
You should make a Twitter so I can follow it.
Wow in it to make money. Wonder where those men are now. Can you find out?
I lost contact with them way back then.
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What year was this and do you remember the exact date of the interview. May be able to track them down. I'll help. I want to know if they died of tobacco related death.
When it comes to drugs and alcohol, i think that Tobacco is the lamest drug around, you don't get a high, you don't get drunk, all you get is intentionally highly addictive additions to the lame tobacco, that messes with your brain, and the only reason tobacco is even relevant at all is because during the colonial era, they made so much of it, through the work of slaves, mostly in the Caribbean.
Alcohol, on the other hand has a much more legitimate reason to exist, since it was used a clean drinking alternative before trustworthy drinking water, and some of the earliest alcohol in history contained around 1% alcohol, meaning it was very safe to consume, only around the middle ages was higher alcohol contents possible.
Point being Drugs ain't "too" healthy, but when the lamest drug is designed to be more addictive then crack cocaine, then something is very wrong.
Sounds like the slogans of The NRA
I’m interested if porn addiction finally gets recognized, labeled and restricted to unaware people.. This serious problem only recognized in some states, apparently not in Ukraine
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7:54 yeah just because the supreme court didn't consider commercials to be protected under the 1st amendment because they were "such a low form of speech" doesn't make it right. Imagine relating that to other forms of speech. Restriction on free speech are supposed to be very slim and narrow, like perjury (a very loaded statement I know, but for the sake of space the other limits and the discussion of them is not for here).
A private company should be able to advertise their product with out the government blocking them. The real debate should be the nature of what they are saying. If it can proven that cigs can give you cancer, but the ads say they can't give you cancer, the company would be liable (Lanham Act I believe, but I am not an expert). Lawsuits would correct that behavior, or then the government can step in maybe. Another part of the debate would be about letting people do things/consume things that are bad for them. Can snake oil man advertise acid on TV as mouthwash? Is that the same as Bud's advertising beer? If people are allowed to smoke, therefore companies should be allowed to sell cigarettes and if you can sell it, why can't you advertise it? It's a war of information, and the right side is to be on the side of information, not restricting it. We have to remember WHO is going to be making those calls of restricting it, and do we or should we trust them with stuff like this. It sets precedents that can be used else where that we don't think they should be used, even if we like these restrictions being used against those we don't like.
Why would you do that stunad ?? now we got drug commercials and little feminine boys with buns in their hair running around with pink and blue glowing sticks puffing out steam....