The Non-Fatal Georgia Warbird Plane Crash. What Dan Forgot.
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2024
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This short video contains all the General Aviation fatal accidents from June, plus a bit of new info on the plane crash that I was in on June 17. This video will be followed by a new LIVE video, where I tell the whole story of what happened that night, and what I wish (now) I had done different!
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So glad to have you here with us brother!!
Airplanes can be replaced, things can be replaced, but people cannot, especially Dan - there’s nobody on the platform that’s anything like him! Get well soon Dan!
Glad all are okay. The Muti Crew element and Flight Deck procedures are certainly not Airliner style.
Dan was not supported but rather distracted
for sure!
I can’t believe you are up to doing the show tonight.
Please take the time you need to heal. Thank you Seveno!
Dan, I am so very glad that we did not lose you and the others in the crash. Thank you to everyone that responded to stop the engine, get fuel and vapors under control and everyone out of the plane. You give me hope for mankind.
what happened ?
@GamingWithMaddog lol my grandfather was in 3 before anyone from the FAA even batted an eye.
I’m becoming more and more convinced that wearing an appropriate flight helmet is smart and sensible. Dan’s battered head! Yikes. I can’t help to wonder how many who did not survive GA accidents on account of head trauma.
Tough old bird flying a tough old bird. Glad you were not injured any more severely Dan, and I wish you well in your recovery.
Scared the sh*t out of us Dan. Glad you are still here.
No shoulder harness has penalties that can result in facial trauma. Wishing you a complete recovery.
I flew in a lot of planes that didn't have them. I'm sure Glen will have them when he gets that plane back in the air.
Facial injuries look bad, but brain damage is worse.
He addressed this later in the LIVE. The panel came at them. Remember the first thing they did with Dylan's Cherokee was install shoulder harnesses.
I flew in a friend’s Cherokee for a few months without shoulder straps and felt real vulnerable. Won’t be doing that again. An accident that you could walk from with shoulder straps might be fatal without them. I guess we all make our own choices.
@@grayrabbit2211As someone that suffered both in a crash 25 years ago, I can confirm.
I busted both bones in my leg playing football, six months traction and a cast. Another another five months getting the strength back. Prayers for a speedy recovery.
YOW ! Glad for your recovery, but sounds like a challenging way to learn patience ! Just a guess, football implying you were likely in your teens/ 20s when it happened (?) - typically a much better age for quicker recovery from physical impacts! . . . but per chance was is also a decade or 3 ago (?) ...meaning maybe modern options more readily put in pins and fertilizers that speed recovery ?
Bro, you bobbed when you were supposed to weave. It happens.
Glad to be able to listen to you tonight Dan!!!
In 1961 I took my 1st flight lesson. My instructor told me to always use the checklist, even though we were flying an Aeronica. 11BC. THAT LESSON SERVE ME WELL FOR THE NEXT60 years.
Yeah Buddy on your Aeronica, as Dentist & me on upteenth Lunch at Detroit Metro, using static etc. fakin' 2nd radio that squawked not. We was dining, happy as bugs, when immaculate dressed dude strode up to us, ID'd self as FAA, & inquired about Aeronica, sayin' could only see 1 radio. Doc apologized, but told never to return to Metro w/o that 2nd radio. Doc S-tatic over not being fined, and next week when returned, we had TWO RADIOS, in his Brand New Skymaster, that had nearly cost us our lives. Doc had been givin' rides to our Buds out at Livingston Co. Airport, in his brand-new plane & I assume that tired the Ole Boy out. We set out for Metro, and probably my shortcoming, but Doc said, "She's a bit sluggish comparing to this morning, I wonder if it's the higher temps?" I asked, "Why does one of your tachs read ZERO? Doc shouted, no #2, start me up, Start Me Up, START ME UP!!! Engine was cold, but got the start, revving up, choke in, not gonna clear treeline, second wheels off, Buddy got un-commanded wheels up, as I wanted to live! With both engines maxed out, Doc babied 'er up & outta the woods exclaiming, "Geeesh, we almost didn't make it...Wheels Up". I just set there lookin' at 'em, so he said, "What"!! I said, "Doc, if hadn't picked your gear up second off runway, we'd both be dead!! He went thru a dozen, "Oh my's", then told me not to say a word about this, or he'd have hell to pay! Doc landed at Metro perfect, for havin' a new airplane, I tied 'er down, & it was to the Restaurant we went, but FAA Dude had taken our traditional table. Doc glared at him just tryin' to poke us, but FAA Dude waved us over to him. He said, SIT DOWN!!! We sat, w/Doc groveling about having 2 radios now and such...but FAA Dude cut him off, asking, "Are you aware there's a video floatin' around out there, with a brand new Cesena Skymaster departing Livingston Co. Airport, starting takeoff with only #1 engine running, finally starting #2, but so low at treeline, as gear came up, belly cleared forest by Zero feet, have you heard anything about that?" Doc said, "Well, I guess we have now, but it was The Kid, it was The Kid that noticed no #2, & started it, and it was The Kid that said we wasn't gonna make it & gave us uncommanded wheels up as left runway, I swear to God Sir, it was him, not me, pointing at me! Everybody in Restaurant laughin' at Doc, throwin' his tantrum, so when finished, FAA Dude said, so, Sir, are you sayin,"If you'll give FAA/NTSB full rights for use of today's video out in Livingston Co., you & The Kid will show up for FAA's free Private Pilot Refresher course in evenings, twice per week over 8 week period, so we don't have any more close calls, or would you prefer I jerk your ticket right here & now? Doc acquiesced, & I got an extra 16 burgers & fries!
Its a strange thing to realize how much concern you can have for a man that you have never met.
That's something you will never understand with your 19 subscribers. Now go on and continue with your sad life.
I saw the photos of Dan in the hospital... He had the impression of the 12A instrument panel on his face in purple marks. A little harder and the coroner would have been able to read the gauge dials.
Is this how you treat the injured with a humor. You cracked me up. Dan needs some too.
My grandfather was shot down into the jungle in a beaufighter and lost an eye from the floating gunfight.
When it ain't your time, nothing can kill you, and when it is your time, nothing can save you.
I'm glad Glen, Dan and their passenger are recovering. In this video, the tailwheel lock handle is filmed in the up or RELEASED position in flight. Handle up Dan, unfortunately is tailwheel UNLOCKED on the Lockheed 12A. When the tailwheel lock handle with the silver knob is pushed down, it detents towards the captain, and locks in at the bottom. The spring feel when operating the handle comes from the spring on the tailwheel locking segment (clearly) shown in Glen's video of him resealing his tailwheel unit on his workbench. By Lockheed design, the locking segment (not a pin) is spring loaded to the unlocked position. When the handle is pushed down the cable moves forward, pulling the segment arm and spring forward, and the chunky locking segment engages in a cut-out, locking the tail wheel straight. Glen's Lockheed / Beech comparison cockpit tour video also shows the handle up which makes sense in the hangar. Handle up is unlocked. Additionally, Glen's Lockheed has pilot's and co-pilot brakes as the airplane is modified to use Beech-18/ Goodyear parts. Beech-18 brakes can be challenging to bleed due to the Goodyear brake shuttle valve on both left and right brake calipers. The shuttle valves are required for pilot and or co-pilot brake dual pressure inputs. With a possible spongy right brake on the captain's side, the tailwheel lock if engaged, would have helped keep it straight, at least the designer Kelly Johnson thought it might.
Capital information you have here! Thanks for chiming in. I hope everyone will read this.
Im rooting for you and your friends Dan. Really happy to see everyone is safe and healing.
0:00 Hello from Miami Dan (KTMB). I am very happy that you are going to be here tonight. Your recent accident is another STARK reminder that this Aviation endeavor that we love so much can go from ROUTINE to TRAGEDY, in the Blink of an eye.
Hi Dan, I'm the former weird banner tower from Miami (KHWO). Retired in 2016 and still don't really miss those old yellow shitbox rattley planes. lol
What actually happened ? anyone know ?
@@mvd4436 He crashed.
@@paulis7319 Tosser, i know that already
@@mvd4436 Possible maintenance-induced / brake failure during landing.
Oh Dan! I feel your pain brother. I had to wear an external fixator on my leg for about 14 months. I hope yours comes off much sooner. Not trying to scare you, I just had some other complications with the leg (very rare). Luckily mine is still attached and working now! All my best wishes on a quick recovery and you get that thing off soon!
Glad Dan's okay. That tailwheel was spinning around like a crazy shopping cart wheel.
Dan is back! You're a real trooper!! Glad to hear that everyone is on the mend.
Dan, when I first saw you I thought of Wile E. Coyote. Praying for a full recovery for you.
Bashing your face appears to be an improvement, gives you that rugged outdoorsman effect. 1st heard about your accident through Juan’s channel. Nothing derogatory, just straight reporting.
Greetings from KMMU
When I heard you were involved in this crash, couldn't help but refresh your channel, hoping for some good news. Glad you're okay Dan.. God still needs you down here to educate and save pilots!
It’s called a Ilizarov frame, they’re used for extending bones too, my cousin has had it done several times, but they are used to stabilise broken bones too.
I hope you all have a speedy recovery
It looks like a medieval torture device that was designed to replace the stretching table.
No, it is called an Ilizarov frame, not Lazarov.
@@deborahking337 apologies a typo as a Ukrainian relatives friend’s surname is Lazarov
Thank you Dan for keeping us updated.
So happy that all 3 are on the mend.
Sandi
I’m so glad that you, and Glenn survived! I’m not a pilot, and unfortunately will never be, but I appreciate the insight you have given to me, and the community on not crashing aircraft, and being a better pilot. Rest, heal up, and enjoy each and every day you get! I look forward to hearing the wisdom, you give to the community in your next video, and many many more to come!!!
Tailwheel may have been locked on takeoff, but it wasn't locked on landing. Checking it is either not in the prelanding checklist, or it was skipped. Mistakes happen, I'm glad everyone survived.
Had a pilot friend and his mechanic crash a die , rescue said probably would both have lived if they had shoulder harnesses. My good friend installed a set in his airplane right after that accident. Dan you old hard head may need that harness next time hopefully not a next time but let’s all make sure we try to get harnesses in these old birds. I have an old 66 Mooney and it definitely has harnesses. We so happy all survived . God I don’t know you but I sill love your stuff.
Glad to see you back so quickly, and Thankful all of you are alive!
It's good to see Dan back home! 🙂
I hope you feel better soon Dan. I am so glad you are ok. We need you.
Thank goodness, you are here, Dan! You are one tough guy!
more seriously, you might want to consider shoulder straps + HANS. shoulder straps will keep your face out of the dash but basal fracture risk goes way up.
Dan, Dan the invincible man.
My dads close friends were killed at Van Nuys airport in this exact model Lockhead Electra. They had just purchased it, took it out to practice doing some air work and returning to Van Nuys airport on landing. It got away from them just like what happened to Dan Cryder, this last few days.
Like I mentioned earlier this plane is a handful.
Good for you discussing mistakes made. It is always good when people that make mistakes step up and discuss what went wrong. It is great that you are still here to have that discussion.
So glad you all made it, Dan🙏💪
Those Dad grape jokes were great 🤣, God bless you Dan and all of your loved ones. I'm very glad that you're still here.
I see NO shoulder harness?
And, with this video, you win Internet and make yourself a legend. Good recovery, Sir!
Dan, surprised to see you so soon. Take care of yourself because your program is working and we need you back saving more lives. There are people alive today because of you. Take some time to think on that while you are recovering. Pete
I want to echo all the good vibes being sent your way and how happy we are to see you after such a scary event.
Dan I’ve got tears in my eyes listening to your story and admitting your own real life AQP.. glad you are okay and able to share lessons learned. Shout out to Kenny and the 2 sets of first responders❤. Glad to see Laura and Dylan there keeping spirits up ❤️
According to a JB post from the owner: It turns out the right brake line sprung a leak, something they missed, post maintenance. Gear up made it leak, it wasn’t tightened up properly.
Man, what a guy! You have a great attitude, very cool, and admirable to learn and share from your own accident. I know that must hurt like hell. Thank God you are going to be fine. The aviation community needs you, and it wasn't quite checkout time for you. Get Well soon, never miss your videos. Best wishes to the others that were with you, may they make a full recovery, soon.
I’m glad you’re okay. You need to be careful though, in everything you do, because we need you here. Don’t leave us stuck having to listen to the “other guys” for our info lol
Dan where are your shoulder belts ?
Dan, I think you have more than 9 lives. Glad y’all are ok.
I can’t even begin to put into words the the Emotions I’ve felt over the last several days. From Shock&Sadness after learning about the Plane Crash and Now the Relief & Gratefulness that You & All Involved are Not more seriously injured and on the road to recovery!
There are some that don’t see eye to eye with Dan BUT I truly believe it’s that he Cares So Much about the GA Community that he will NOT mince words and Doesn’t Sugar Coat anything!
I’m sure I speak for everyone when I say Welcome Back & We all Appreciate You!!
🎉❤🙏👍👍💪💪💪💪
Hey Dan, I just heard about your crash this morning. I sure am happy and thankful that God protected you and your friends when your plane went down! Take care of yourself, buddy! Your sons aren't the only ones that need you to stick around!
I'm praying for a short healing process for all of you who went through this crash!
Glad to see that your sense of humor was not damaged in the crash. Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery.
So good to see you sir! I greatly respect your honesty.
Don’t always agree with you but very glad you and the crew made it. Your contribution to education and spreading awareness is greatly appreciated.
This is a good reason for shoulder harnesses . I hope all heal fast!
I believe that's "traction" I've never seen that in real life. Courageous of you to show your injuries. God speed in your recovery.
That's correct. It looks very painful.
Accidents are going down because GA has become to expensive to operate.
Hey Dan, glad to see you’re alive and kicking.
Thanks Dan, keep doing what you’re doing 👍👍
YOU ARE saving lives! Thank goodness you’re relatively OK, look after yourself!
Dan, I broke my tibia and fibula similar to yours. The recovery sucked but I’ve recovered. Take it 1 week at a time. Wishing you the best.
I heard after takeoff check complete, but I didn’t hear a single checklist item called.
You broke the Tibia and Fibula. Those are the 2 bones between the Knee and Ankle. The Femur is the bone in the thigh. It's going to take a minimum of 6-12 months, probably 1-2 years before you are able to walk properly or push off your foot.
Thank goodness that you all survived !
Sending much love to all of you for complete recovery from this accident.
From New Mexico 😘
What a miracle this is. I am positively shaking, seeing your condition. I’m so glad y’all made it! We’ll be praying for your quick recovery. ❤️🙏😎👍
So glad to see you moving around man!!! I was showing my daughter-in-law your channel just as you panned down to your leg. I loved it and she almost puked on me 🤣🤣
Prayers for you and the other two gentlemen 🙏❤️
Did we forget to check the tailwheel for locked before landing??? Thank God you both survived.
Dan, I am so glad you are still here! Praying for a speedy recovery for all!
No shoulder harness? Yikes. Lucky
Your Guardian Angel just called in a replacement!😂. so very happy you all are gonna mend up ok!! All the best, brother!
I am glad you and everyone is okay, as can be expected after a crash. You always talk about accidents & preventions; now by personal experience. Prayers for speedy recoveries for everyone.
Dan’s voice is hoarse because he was intubated (tube into trachea) so Trauma Center can put him on a ventilator and control his breathing and oxygenation.
The thing on his leg is an External Fixator that holds Tibia and Fibula in place and allows fractures to heal.
You are Blessed to be with us.
I am glad you are ok Dan. Keep flying!
Welcome back Dan...thought we mighta lost ya!! FINALLY, someone I can relate to!!! In '67@17, sht weather in Mich, so went on our cycles trail riden'. I had chose poorly, as picked that, over getting overdo haircut. Had heada hair so thick, could barely get helmet on. You mentioned hard-headed, & can see I had same condition + was German, all to be known as hard-headed. Returning, couldn't clear creek, so I led back on newly paved MDOT I-96 Access Road @45, when all of a sudden in pitch blackness, it disappeared. Last second leap of faith, nearly cleared gap, slammed opposing pavement face-first, tumbling down road when heard/felt heavy clunks! Right away quick mind said, "We made it, picked up misfire, so reached out lt hand for clutch, & pvmt ate it!! There surely were 6 clunks, but those were my head slamming pvmt, so Plan C was stand up like a man, but that only ground my huntin' boots down to slicks, & finally smushing face into grass shoulder! State Coppers policin' accident, lost their brand-new Cruiser in crevasse, as thought I was fulla sht!! 2 hrs late to Hosp, Rookie St. Copper had figured out how I got mangled. Perched on back of seat w/80cc Yamaha, last second leap had only taken ctr of front wheel to top edge of pvmt break, sling-shotting dumazz on back bouncing down pvmt at 90, instead of 45! Ole Doc May examined decimated fullface helmet, w/ 6 huge smashes in it, & leading edge worn completely off. He determined each impact shoulda killed me, but being Baylor wood lap-strap design, I survived. Sr. St. Copper asked Doc, "What woulda happened if had one of them new LEXON Helmets?" Doc rolled his eyes back & turned back to my reassembly!! Worst thing about it was, w/both shoulders broke, & had to rely on my "Buddies" for lift-off, & placement of books in/out slings between classes too. It turned out, only my Girl Buddies would lend a hand, as guys wouldn't help guys do menial sht, oh but that wouldn't stop them from cramming wastepaper in the slings!! I trust you'll have better luck these days, and Support Crew will see you back to your ole self! Heal up soon Buddy!!! (P.S. Docs only fee, was to be gifted remains of my helmet for high-powered Conference, & together with inventions he came up with to save Patient w/no neck muscles whatsoever, he became world famous, so was named Director of the Hospital!) C'mon Dan...that's funny, right?? No?? Well, PROBABLE CAUSE of pavement failure was!! MDOT Rookie Project Engineer, jerked out creek's old huge metal culvert, in favor of twin little ones yielding more Sight Distance, BUT ON LOW SPEED, SHORT STRETCH OF ROAD, WHERE SIGHT-DISTANCE NEVER AN ISSUE, but only one to lose face over the deal was me!! Now, tell me that didn't make ya chuckle, Buddy!! Get well soon!!!
Glad to have you back (from central California).
Glad you're here with us Dan. Scary stuff, not sure how you folks made it, but just Overjoyed you lived through it. Peace!!
So glad you are "mostly" OK Dan, all the best and God Bless for the recovery!
It's great to see your face, as banged up as it is. I pray for your fast recovery. I always enjoy your informative videos. Please keep that sense of humor.
shoulder harness,s are a must in my opinion.
Wow wasn't expecting to see you like this Dan. glad you're going to recover . I've been out of touch a few weeks. Then surprise your all banged up.
Good to see you alive and laughing Dan, as always thank you for being there... You live so that others may too with all the things you tell of...
Glad you pulled through. I flew for years as a cargo handler/ A&P now retired. I can tell you have aviation in your blood. Hope you have a speedy recovery.
Thank God you are still with us Dan. Prayers for everyone!
Had me physically yelling “QUIT FUCKIN TOUCHIN IT DAN” wiggling around that device . Good to see you still have a sense of humor.
Dan, I am very happy to see you are on the road to recovery. I love aviation and have learned a lot from your channel. Wishing you the best
I'm glad you're okay Dan and the others, as well. Thats the most important aspect of your entire odyssey.
Glad you are alive! Wishing you'll three a quick recovery.
glad youre still here dan. keep up the good work.
Very Happy "Dan" made the video of what "Dan-Forgot" get well soon Man!!!! All the way from Provo,Airport ; Provo,USA...
Good to see you're making this video. God wasn't finished with you here, yet. Speedy recoveries to all.
Watched your live video. Lots of great info. The stars had to align for you and your friends to get out of that plane alive. God was looking out for all of you. Water truck nearby, EMT guy strong enough to get you out, etc. I couldn't have done it for sure.
Thanks for making the video! I'm very glad you're ok man!
Good to see you're alive and kicking. It is too bad about the Lockheed, but life is for the living. Good or bad Dan; you're still with us! Congratulations!
I’m so happy you’re okay and everybody is okay. Life is a matter of chance and I’m glad it was on your side. Hope you’re recovery goes well.
Glad you’re ok Dan. From GVL
So happy you were not injured even worse...praying for you.
Happy to see you on the road to recovery! All the best Dan!
I'm not a subscriber, so I didn't see the live video, but I wonder if anyone mentioned shoulder harnesses. When I purchased my 66 M20C Mooney, it did not have shoulder harnesses. One of the first things I did after I purchased it, was to add shoulder harnesses to the front seats. I didn't see them in the Lockheed, or if they are present, they weren't used ,which might have prevented some of your facial injuries. I'm glad y'all survived and pray for a speedy, full recovery for all of you.
The wife is allowing this one on the big screen for dinner. Let's go!🎉🎉🎉
Allowing?
I know she calls me a lot.
@@ProbableCause-DanGryder lol.
@@justsnappya joke for married people.
Glad you are back!
Hi Dan. I'm so glad you are okay. I really enjoy your channel and I was very sad when I heard the news of the accident. I'm just glad you will make a full recovery.
Hello Dan greettings from Ecuador. We are glad that you are ok and we hope you recover in six weeks or less. You are luckily alive and your life is more important than anything else. God protect you😊🎉