Agreed, fuzzysquash. I've listened to his arguments over and over and I still can't stop listening. Yeah, I think that his delivery style is part of it but it's also b/c his arguments were so good the first time I heard them that he became a hero to me. It's like hearing my favorite song and thinking "here comes the good part again" and it's pleasing because the first time I heard the song it was pleasing so that every time I hear it the memories of it are still associated with pleasure. lol
I love how he says at the 9:00 mark, "you don't? Right then!! God did it!"" Cracks me up!! I should like to meet Mr. Dawkins and shake his hand! He is just genius!
Dawkins gives virtually the same arguments at every speech, and yet for some reason it is entertaining to watch every time. I think it's got something to do with his delivery style and quirky English demeanor
@Jshect I agree with you, but when I said "intelligence behind the universe," I meant that Sagan's protagonist discovers that the universe was created (his words). The evidence for this consists of unambiguous messages in transcendental numbers like pi. This important element was missing from the movie based on his novel.
His scale gives me pause, because his argument building is fairly complex. But I wanted to make this point: just because something has a low probability of existing does not mean it doesn't exist. To my knowledge, we still haven't figured out how we even have a universe.
He said that a rose evolved a thorn to keep from being ate. I wonder how it not only knew it was being eaten but also wanted to from a defense against being eaten. Sorry I ponder insignificant things from time to time.
My criticisms are not crude nor spiteful. Clearly the way you put things shows your own state of being. I do not see this as a fight, (But you do, playing the "he did it first") merely a different viewpoint of what you are doing. The only reason you feel defamed is because my criticism of you is accurate and precise.
I think you are exactly right. I often feel the need to write a letter to the future just to let them know that we didn't all believe a bunch of non-sense.
@serioushamster Well, that's certainly a possible interpretation. But it would have to be an intelligence in a "meta-universe" of which ours is a component, because in Sagan's novel, transcendental numbers like pi contain messages. In other words, the mathematical order behind our universe contains messages (in the novel) that are unambiguously from an intelligence. Whether that meta-universe intelligence would be supernatural depends on your definition I guess.
@talons2112 - It is a little ironic that you have gone out of your way to come to a lecture by Richard Dawkins and call Atheists "bigoted" and "racist" and then you accuse us of holding a "just believe because I yell the loudest mentality."
@nze82 Ha, I just had the same thought a moment before reading your comment. I think it's because being part of a religious community is very very comforting. I say it's better to center community around science, logic, psychology. Basically around university-like places. Education is key in helping people see they're just seeing shadows in Plato's Cave. (read that short story if you haven't!) It's only a matter of time before reason beats out brainwashing.
@loveJesus4eternity: I do not want ANYBODY to die for me, thank you. To say that Dawkins does not care about other human beings is just wrong. Human beings caring for other human beings (and for other living beings), working to reduce suffering and increase well-being, make the world a better place. They (hopefully, we) make all the difference.
"christians keep saying that they follow the entire bible...you just said you dont...you cherry pick it" Though some (and predominantly Catholics in my experiences) follow part of the Old Testament (Eye for an Eye, and such), most 'follow' the New Testament, in which Jesus abolishes the Law. This is coming from a Post-Protestant Christian atheist, so take that as my credibility.
@Eye2EyeIIIV I visited your channel. I still see not a shred of evidence. If I can find no evidence on your channel, what makes you think Dawkins would? What I have found is an ignorance of history and logic.
I find it interesting that Carl Sagan, who clearly rejected revealed religion, ended his novel with his main character discovering evidence of an intelligence behind the universe. Why was he drawn to invoke such a scenario? Dawkins seems unconcerned with the question of a creator per se and spends almost all of his time blasting theism, mostly Abrahamic religions. Not without justification of course.
There are two stories in the NT. One that mirrors the OT ("I come to change not one jot or tittle of the law") and one that introduces Christianity. Christianity is an afterthought introduced 70 years after Jesus' death to cover up the fact that a key prophecy of Jesus was not fulfilled. Jesus clearly stated that the end times would occur within the lifetimes of those listening to him (the original Greek makes any other interpretation wrong).
God - in the Jewish-Christian-Islamic sense, would have to be a physical entity in the universe, or at least would have to leave a physical impression of his actions. If God interferes with the physical processes in the universe then physical evidence would be left. No such evidence has ever been found. However, if we're talking about God in the deistic, philosophical sense, I agree with you in a way - it's an untestable hypothesis.
@YesYou123333 Right after he speaks at Hogwarts School of Magic and the Shire. There's not a bit of actual evidence for that place you mentioned. Why believe in something without evidence? Ridiculous.
it depents on your taste. new testament or old testament. why does judaism still exist? why dont they convert to christianity? because the old and N.T. are self-contradicting divisions in every aspect, even with the messiah
Please. My use of "noob" and such other slang terms are purely based to mock the ignorance of the internet community, and you. Clearly, I have more of an education than you, spending less time pointlessly speculating and posting acronyms that exist only to defame or mock someone. Besides, pointing out the error in you comment is to relieve the passion that you have in it. Look at the comments in your channel. Take their advice.
@TheJesusSucks Personally, I think, that Jesus has a very good philosphy of life, and he was a better man than we are (if we assume that descriped picture of Jesus in Bible is true). And to be clear i don't believe in God, or the miracles and ressurection of Jesus, but i still think that Jesus got some ideas that he was loyal to and thats worth to respect. (sorry for my english).
these christians that post sttcks are so funny. They just prove the point!! Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel
There are lots of sience theories which we cannot touch or smell or see but we blelieve because of there affect.The question is do GUD has effect in our life ? I think we have
@maplebayou1 It would be an awful waste of space if we were the only intelligent life in the universe. It is estimated that there are a hundred billlion galaxies each with billions of stars, it would be arrogant to think we are the only life that has evolved, similarly arrogant to when the church insisted on a geocentric universe.
i went to see the hubble flim after seing this all it done is reenforce in my atheisme,after seing that i couls see that we are an electron in a grain of sand in a beach of sand ,why should a god would care about us even create us alone in the entire immensity of galxy that contains billions and billions of stars
@Drakon222 You think damning homosexuals to hell, damning anyone who doesn't except Jesus as their personal savior to eternal torture is positive? Sure Jesus said treat others as you would like to be treated but so did confucius 1000 years earlier so that wasn't even original.
No,the catholic church has axcepted the evolution and moreover it's not possible for any teacher to skipp that part of the program...so I learnt Darwin's theory since I was a little child(fortunately)....but ther're too speech about god everywhere on the media,it's so boring :S
fantastic. Richard Dawkins is brilliant!!! I could listen to him speak for ages. I hope I'm lucky enough to see him in person one day : )
Clear, concise, honest, and not dumbed-down.
All I could ask for.
Agreed, fuzzysquash. I've listened to his arguments over and over and I still can't stop listening. Yeah, I think that his delivery style is part of it but it's also b/c his arguments were so good the first time I heard them that he became a hero to me. It's like hearing my favorite song and thinking "here comes the good part again" and it's pleasing because the first time I heard the song it was pleasing so that every time I hear it the memories of it are still associated with pleasure. lol
I love how he says at the 9:00 mark, "you don't? Right then!! God did it!"" Cracks me up!! I should like to meet Mr. Dawkins and shake his hand! He is just genius!
Bloody brilliant mate, well put.
Dawkins gives virtually the same arguments at every speech, and yet for some reason it is entertaining to watch every time. I think it's got something to do with his delivery style and quirky English demeanor
We need someone like Dawkins in Italy :(
@Jshect I agree with you, but when I said "intelligence behind the universe," I meant that Sagan's protagonist discovers that the universe was created (his words). The evidence for this consists of unambiguous messages in transcendental numbers like pi. This important element was missing from the movie based on his novel.
His scale gives me pause, because his argument building is fairly complex. But I wanted to make this point: just because something has a low probability of existing does not mean it doesn't exist. To my knowledge, we still haven't figured out how we even have a universe.
Plenty of people do argue that. However, scientists spend entire lifetimes studying evolution and never find anything but natural processes.
He said that a rose evolved a thorn to keep from being ate. I wonder how it not only knew it was being eaten but also wanted to from a defense against being eaten. Sorry I ponder insignificant things from time to time.
My criticisms are not crude nor spiteful. Clearly the way you put things shows your own state of being. I do not see this as a fight, (But you do, playing the "he did it first") merely a different viewpoint of what you are doing. The only reason you feel defamed is because my criticism of you is accurate and precise.
I think you are exactly right. I often feel the need to write a letter to the future just to let them know that we didn't all believe a bunch of non-sense.
guess that easier than trying to argue his points.
@serioushamster Well, that's certainly a possible interpretation. But it would have to be an intelligence in a "meta-universe" of which ours is a component, because in Sagan's novel, transcendental numbers like pi contain messages. In other words, the mathematical order behind our universe contains messages (in the novel) that are unambiguously from an intelligence. Whether that meta-universe intelligence would be supernatural depends on your definition I guess.
@talons2112 - It is a little ironic that you have gone out of your way to come to a lecture by Richard Dawkins and call Atheists "bigoted" and "racist" and then you accuse us of holding a "just believe because I yell the loudest mentality."
Wrong - the burden of proof lies with the person making the extraordinary claim. If I said "unicorns exist" you would rightly ask "prove it".
yeah, it's quite a performance.
@nze82 Ha, I just had the same thought a moment before reading your comment. I think it's because being part of a religious community is very very comforting. I say it's better to center community around science, logic, psychology. Basically around university-like places. Education is key in helping people see they're just seeing shadows in Plato's Cave. (read that short story if you haven't!) It's only a matter of time before reason beats out brainwashing.
@loveJesus4eternity: I do not want ANYBODY to die for me, thank you. To say that Dawkins does not care about other human beings is just wrong. Human beings caring for other human beings (and for other living beings), working to reduce suffering and increase well-being, make the world a better place. They (hopefully, we) make all the difference.
you don't have to be a cook to feed me.
you don't have to be a philosopher to deal with the god issue.
Acronym77: You forgot the "T" noob. Lol.
"christians keep saying that they follow the entire bible...you just said you dont...you cherry pick it"
Though some (and predominantly Catholics in my experiences) follow part of the Old Testament (Eye for an Eye, and such), most 'follow' the New Testament, in which Jesus abolishes the Law.
This is coming from a Post-Protestant Christian atheist, so take that as my credibility.
@Eye2EyeIIIV I visited your channel. I still see not a shred of evidence. If I can find no evidence on your channel, what makes you think Dawkins would? What I have found is an ignorance of history and logic.
I find it interesting that Carl Sagan, who clearly rejected revealed religion, ended his novel with his main character discovering evidence of an intelligence behind the universe. Why was he drawn to invoke such a scenario? Dawkins seems unconcerned with the question of a creator per se and spends almost all of his time blasting theism, mostly Abrahamic religions. Not without justification of course.
There are two stories in the NT. One that mirrors the OT ("I come to change not one jot or tittle of the law") and one that introduces Christianity.
Christianity is an afterthought introduced 70 years after Jesus' death to cover up the fact that a key prophecy of Jesus was not fulfilled. Jesus clearly stated that the end times would occur within the lifetimes of those listening to him (the original Greek makes any other interpretation wrong).
God - in the Jewish-Christian-Islamic sense, would have to be a physical entity in the universe, or at least would have to leave a physical impression of his actions. If God interferes with the physical processes in the universe then physical evidence would be left. No such evidence has ever been found. However, if we're talking about God in the deistic, philosophical sense, I agree with you in a way - it's an untestable hypothesis.
@YesYou123333 Right after he speaks at Hogwarts School of Magic and the Shire. There's not a bit of actual evidence for that place you mentioned. Why believe in something without evidence? Ridiculous.
@maplebayou1 maybe he meant some sort of alien intelligence that created humans or something like that.
christians keep saying that they follow the entire bible...you just said you dont...you cherry pick it
it depents on your taste. new testament or old testament. why does judaism still exist? why dont they convert to christianity? because the old and N.T. are self-contradicting divisions in every aspect, even with the messiah
Wow, just look up potholer54's videos on evolution made easy and LEARN something.
Please. My use of "noob" and such other slang terms are purely based to mock the ignorance of the internet community, and you.
Clearly, I have more of an education than you, spending less time pointlessly speculating and posting acronyms that exist only to defame or mock someone. Besides, pointing out the error in you comment is to relieve the passion that you have in it. Look at the comments in your channel. Take their advice.
philosophers? they can talk about what they want. but do they prove their statement to be true? or can they?
never. you need science to prove.
@anetchi I hear he has a speaking engagement in Hell.
or the chances of random structured life from primordial soup made from embalming fluid.
lol. very blaintly said.
@TheJesusSucks Personally, I think, that Jesus has a very good philosphy of life, and he was a better man than we are (if we assume that descriped picture of Jesus in Bible is true). And to be clear i don't believe in God, or the miracles and ressurection of Jesus, but i still think that Jesus got some ideas that he was loyal to and thats worth to respect. (sorry for my english).
these christians that post sttcks are so funny. They just prove the point!!
Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel
There are lots of sience theories which we cannot touch or smell or see but we blelieve because of there affect.The question is do GUD has effect in our life ? I think we have
@talons2112 LOL. Where is the evidence for Jesus?
@maplebayou1 It would be an awful waste of space if we were the only intelligent life in the universe. It is estimated that there are a hundred billlion galaxies each with billions of stars, it would be arrogant to think we are the only life that has evolved, similarly arrogant to when the church insisted on a geocentric universe.
right then! god did it! rofl.
ceases
@anetchi Indocrination, my friend.
i went to see the hubble flim after seing this all it done is reenforce in my atheisme,after seing that i couls see that we are an electron in a grain of sand in a beach of sand ,why should a god would care about us even create us alone in the entire immensity of galxy that contains billions and billions of stars
I bet Dawkins ends up in an insane asylum just like Nietzsche
@Drakon222 You think damning homosexuals to hell, damning anyone who doesn't except Jesus as their personal savior to eternal torture is positive? Sure Jesus said treat others as you would like to be treated but so did confucius 1000 years earlier so that wasn't even original.
No,the catholic church has axcepted the evolution and moreover it's not possible for any teacher to skipp that part of the program...so I learnt Darwin's theory since I was a little child(fortunately)....but ther're too speech about god everywhere on the media,it's so boring :S
You don't?! Right then, god did it
:D
Oh religious people.
@TheJesusSucks haha funniest comment on youtube. probably.
ccc dawkins reis ccc
The third one is HOT.
this is no evidence to support anything this man is saying. mr dawkins needs Jesus.
@anetchi I bet you still think the earth is flat too, huh? Maybe NASA is lying to you. Did you ever think of that?