A.I Mastering SNAKE OIL?

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  • Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024

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  • @dominicbout
    @dominicbout 2 месяца назад +35

    27 million datapoints, but only a couple of knobs and sliders to control it. I wouldn't trust my mix to something like this.

    • @XVIIIPRO
      @XVIIIPRO Месяц назад

      exactly what i thought, i’d have to test it

    • @jaybefaulky4902
      @jaybefaulky4902 Месяц назад +3

      it's all about what sounds good. don't forget this

    • @Ardeact
      @Ardeact Месяц назад

      I think data points mean parameters. 27 million isn't actually that much. Consumer AI models can go up to 27 billion parameters, only limited because it has to run on consumer hardware.

  • @benjaminmichaut9996
    @benjaminmichaut9996 Месяц назад +32

    27 million data points is 5 minutes of stereo music at 44.1kHz

    • @Maradnus
      @Maradnus Месяц назад +1

      so basically the more people that buy it & use it are basically contributing to the data points.. -.-

    • @anteshell
      @anteshell Месяц назад

      How did you come into that conclusion? My math cannot quite math it out.
      27M samples divided by 44.1k samples/second is roughly one minute of audio. Not sure how stereo works, should I divide or multiply that by two if anything, but which ever way it is, it's 0.5, 1 or 2 minutes of stereo audio. How did you get five minutes out of that?
      Consider this as off-topic question. Not interested about the datapoints or Optimus' PR jargon, just curious about your equation.

    • @zsliu98
      @zsliu98 Месяц назад +1

      @@anteshell 27000000/44100 \approx 612.24 \approx 10 minutes, for stereo it is 5 minutes. Another way to verify it is to think of the size of a floating-point wav file.

    • @benjaminmichaut9996
      @benjaminmichaut9996 Месяц назад

      @@anteshell That's it, I'm dividing by 2. 5 min in stereo has as many samples as 10 min in mono. Your explanations seems right so your maths could be wrong.
      27 000 000 samples / 44 100 samples/sec = 612 sec = 10.2 min and not just 1
      Do you have a zero missing somewhere ? (or have I ?)

    • @theemperor6540
      @theemperor6540 Месяц назад

      @@benjaminmichaut9996 its 7.30am here and can you guys keep it down, im tryin to sleep

  • @dahlbaker
    @dahlbaker Месяц назад +14

    This video inspired me to go out and buy more tubes.

  • @proxzi
    @proxzi Месяц назад +6

    so basically they just tried to put all the ozone modules into one interface but with limited features

  • @paulmisty8998
    @paulmisty8998 Месяц назад +7

    Check this out!
    I tested this plugin some moths ago. They told me they were working on a major update to be released in August. Not seeing it.
    The EQ is excellent. It is honestly one of the best EQs I have ever used. Not because it has digital tubes or iron and stuff, but because the EQ bands work together dynamically. Just try and change one band and you will see. This is much more like a hardware-like feel which you can only achieve with 2 hands. This is great. I love that.
    I still don't know if the AI does only affect the EQ curve or if there is something going on under the hood, like some resonances, loudness or something else. It would not make sense to have the AI only make some EQ adjustments and leave the rest as it is. I still don't know what is going on.
    For the price...I mean you can get Logic for 200$ with a mastering AI suite that's probably just as good as this one here. So I think 100$ is too much. That said, it's still less than Ozone although it can do much less. But I don't like the sound of Ozone. Not using it.
    I love the EQ. The compressor is great, too. The rest is good enough.

  • @tonyr.4778
    @tonyr.4778 Месяц назад +23

    I'd be curious if you used this to create a mastered version and then put the mastered version in to see if it accepts it and says it doesn't need anything. Because if it modifies the original to make it mastered and then wants to modify the mastered version, it would be proof positive it's snake oil.

    • @pocket1684
      @pocket1684 Месяц назад +3

      Good idea. I have a feeling it will modify even a bernie grundman master in my experience, AI is kind of like many presets on plugins and plugin instruments. Some are good but the real creativity comes when a human is adjusting the knobs to match the song at hand, instead of a generalization.

    • @inthemix
      @inthemix Месяц назад +6

      I’ve tested this with every auto/AI mastering plugin on the market. They all keep changing the master over and over.

    • @anteshell
      @anteshell Месяц назад +4

      No, it would not prove anything like that. What you propose would require that there is one universal right answer for mastering which every AI strives for and what your master track already satisfied.
      I mean, by using your logic you could prove actual mastering engineers are snake-oil by doing a blind test; provide a few engineers randomly either the final mix or master, and if you receive anything that does not null with your original master, every test participant would be considered snake-oil salesmen.

    • @prodigalretrod
      @prodigalretrod Месяц назад +2

      @@anteshell That's a different scenario though - what's being proposed here is to feed the plugin its own results, which it should theoretically agree with (more or less) - as opposed to expecting multiple different AIs (or MEs) to concur. In my experience, when running a subsequent instance of an auto EQ plugin, eg Sonible SmartEQ, it will often make the same suggestions again, even after the first plugin instance has already applied these recommended changes.

    • @inthemix
      @inthemix Месяц назад +2

      @@anteshell That’s an entirely different scenario. We are talking about asking an engineer (or software) to master and remaster the same track over and over and see if they make big changes each time.

  • @tmartin9024
    @tmartin9024 Месяц назад +6

    If you print your master through this with nothing after it in the chain and then import the track & reanalyze, will the AI say it’s perfect as is or will it again make new adjustments to what it already did?

  • @SonoraOndaLatinaOficial
    @SonoraOndaLatinaOficial Месяц назад

    Please the link to prove it

  • @prod.kvdence
    @prod.kvdence Месяц назад +1

    I love these videos so much. Talk about educational entertainment! Keep it up, bro.

  • @LaluProg
    @LaluProg Месяц назад

    Great video as always! I would never mix a full album with something like this, but I’d probably use it for pre-production demos, quick previews, etc. And even then, I still can't find anything that sounds better than CloudBounce when it comes to this. 🤷‍♂

  • @TheDanielShepherd
    @TheDanielShepherd Месяц назад +1

    Does it just boost the lows and highs no matter what you put into it?

  • @ViN-EzL
    @ViN-EzL Месяц назад

    Hmm… finally someone reviewing this. I tried it on a couple tracks when it first came out. One of them was the best sounding master I’ve had so far…

  • @ForTiorIJohnny
    @ForTiorIJohnny Месяц назад +7

    "you´re in total control" is some top tier false advertisement.

  • @MusicChannel-rf5zz
    @MusicChannel-rf5zz Месяц назад +1

    Nice to have a plugincop ! many of us get ripped !

  • @vmi4172
    @vmi4172 Месяц назад +2

    Idk but this looks perfect for producers that want a quick fix, that don't get all technical, for beats. Not all of us want to be mix/master engineers. We just want to make a beat and make it sound better quick🤷‍♂ Definitely wouldn't use this for a full song, but just for producing it looks like what it's made for🤷‍♂

  • @Waldo_Ilowiecki
    @Waldo_Ilowiecki Месяц назад

    I really like these videos where you show new products, hardware and software. When you show new plugins, it's especially valuable to me. Because... let's not kid ourselves. There's so much of it that the average producer can't handle it anymore. It's good that you test them for us. You do it cool, with humor and commitment. Thanks, friend. ❤

  • @mantaproject
    @mantaproject Месяц назад

    I also wonder with such automatic plugins if they know the difference between creative decisions or a wrong setting. (regarding your tonal balance adjustment )

  • @patrickalphenaar
    @patrickalphenaar Месяц назад +2

    Probably i am the only one really liking this plugin! I prefer it way above Ozone and many other mastering plugins. Just because the clean and undistorted gain i can get. While other plugins would be pumping dynamically optimus remains calm and clear…… so in some cases with some suitable tracks yes it can work out pretty well…… 😊
    Will it replace a true and great Mastering engineer? Ofcourse not!!!!!!!! Not even close. Yet its my favorite in the digital ai domain….. Cheers

  • @antoniolacontana4727
    @antoniolacontana4727 Месяц назад

    Thx! Sorry for the "place" in which I ask but could you make a video about the plug-ins (AI based) that provide to solve the masking issue, like waves curves equator? P.S. I don't want to have anything to do with Waves so, any alternative solution?

  • @gregpastic6910
    @gregpastic6910 Месяц назад

    My experience with AI driven plugins is that they are more 'human' than we think. My proof: run an AI plugin, like 'smart eq' for example, and let it 'correct' your work, print it. Run the same AI plugin again on the 'corrected' track and watch it re-analyze and do more corrections! Just like all the human mix engineers I know, they're never satisfied.

  • @starholm
    @starholm Месяц назад

    Good work! Thanks!

  • @oddopalmusic
    @oddopalmusic Месяц назад +5

    Good to have you back, Wytse.

  • @psyborg1981
    @psyborg1981 Месяц назад

    Does it have a learning button?
    Or did I mis something?
    For me it is a no go..even though I have heard good things about it.
    I would master my track online for a few bucks instead...

  • @hahahehe4885
    @hahahehe4885 Месяц назад +1

    Snake oil? 😊😊 is back!!!

  • @sabothawk
    @sabothawk Месяц назад

    Fun vid as always -- thanks! Yeah, it's sad that I'm trying to understand what need this plugin is trying to fulfill that Sonible and Izotope haven't: is it another matching EQ in a channel strip format? If it is an AI matching EQ, I suppose it could be recognizing the kind of music it's listening to, select from popular songs in that genre, and apply that profile as a starting point; yet, that might be all this plug can provide: a starting point, since it doesn't seem to allow re-routing/intercepting the signal path or include any user-selectable modules to contour the sound further... anyway, the output still sounds good and this could absolutely find a place with musicians/mixers who want to preview how their song will sound after mastering! -- Happy Mixing! :)

  • @illnoyz5054
    @illnoyz5054 8 дней назад

    Everyone I know that's used it loved it and said it made their songs sound better than anything they'd done before but most ppl don't try things themselves they live threw others.

  • @tekis0
    @tekis0 Месяц назад +1

    AI or not, great sounding mix, White Sea!

  • @thesongmill
    @thesongmill Месяц назад

    I'm trying out the plug in as well and I feel like it's really close to being something amazing but to achieve an incredible master I still needed some additional plug ins to take me where I wanted to go. Like you, I felt like, if it's AI it should just listen to my song and say okay, here' the EQ curve you need (with options), here's the amount of compression I recommend, the spatial width I would do and here's the amount of loudness I recommend. Overall I feel like it's good, but I'm thinking I've got limiters that sound better than this one. I have mixed feelings about it right now. That said, I was able to achieve some pretty amazing results very quickly so that's a plus point. I can always spend the time on a serious master and make it sound incredible, but I'm looking for something that can give me great sounding results really fast for when I don't have time to do a proper master or for rough mixes and to be able to get to some of my back catalog. I have works that I can't spend a couple days working on but if I can get it sounding decent in a couple hours, I'm there.

  • @sethkocho1434
    @sethkocho1434 Месяц назад

    I don't think I've ever watched one of your videos where you did an AB comparison using the bypass button scratching my head bro

  • @jacobseal
    @jacobseal Месяц назад

    Im waiting for AI driven plugins where you can prompt it. Like...."your first attempt is too bright and overcompressed. Make it warmer and more open"....etc. I think its coming. I can imagine a DAW that could do this with mixing, too.

    • @GabryszBruno
      @GabryszBruno Месяц назад

      you're right, coming soon, you can bet on it

  • @Jazzguitar00
    @Jazzguitar00 Месяц назад

    The Limiter sounds good, the modules work well...but what's special about the EQ? (90% chance of "nothing")

  • @StarvedForTime
    @StarvedForTime Месяц назад +1

    This plugin obtains the coveted "White Sea Goatse" award.

    • @a_doggo
      @a_doggo Месяц назад

      Ugh, please. Some of us remember that website. It's my turn to remind you of "The Giver." He was features on said website. Enjoy the memories!

  • @Wizardofvoz2
    @Wizardofvoz2 Месяц назад

    Great work.

  • @Arron_Mottram
    @Arron_Mottram Месяц назад +1

    Nothing beats IZotope Ozone

  • @anteshell
    @anteshell Месяц назад

    I see you have bought a new chair recently. Care to share what it is?

  • @Bert_Fromarketin
    @Bert_Fromarketin Месяц назад

    HAS SANDSTORM BEEN RELEASED? A GROUP CALLED DARUUUDE I THINK, HAS BEEN PROMISING FOR YEARS TO GIVE US A FINALIZED VERSION

  • @lamusiquerieabeaune8201
    @lamusiquerieabeaune8201 Месяц назад +1

    It's very low CPU compare to Ozone - the AI EQ is fair enough - Limiter is clear ... I will not use it for a final mastering but it may be practical for certain uses

  • @Renderer555
    @Renderer555 Месяц назад

    I tested this too, my thoughts exactly, nothing exiting or new here. The demo was irritating. It's very difficult to seriously test a plugin that cuts out every minute......

  • @OscarSlapp
    @OscarSlapp Месяц назад

    First of all that track is 🎷🔥

  • @DaveChimny
    @DaveChimny Месяц назад

    Looks like the plugin is just trying to mimic the Harman curve.

  • @VersatileLifestyle1
    @VersatileLifestyle1 Месяц назад +1

    I love it

  • @varouestmusic
    @varouestmusic Месяц назад +1

    We need an international label certification for AI utilisation in logiciels !

    • @varouestmusic
      @varouestmusic Месяц назад

      Hi everybody. I trying to develop something for music AI certification. i hope offer something next years.... hard work to do yet... 🤞

  • @MyToasterIsMoist
    @MyToasterIsMoist Месяц назад

    I love the idea of plug-ins making mixing more accessible for more people - most of us can’t afford to build up a collection of expensive outboard gear. Convenience is good for creativity!
    -however for me that stance falls apart when you introduce something that does everything *for* you, or at least attempts to. Personally I just can’t get behind the idea of AI plug-ins doing all my work for me - if I’m not learning and growing as a mixer then what’s the point?

  • @MusicChannel-rf5zz
    @MusicChannel-rf5zz Месяц назад

    Sounds like Spyro Gyra!

  • @СергейБоголюбский-ш3ь

    Lifetime of ai plugs is a microsecond… nobody understands how it’s really working, but every new plug is head higher than previous and its released form gatling gun like

  • @alexbile2597
    @alexbile2597 Месяц назад

    good music man

  • @ziebanez
    @ziebanez Месяц назад

    I would never use that thing!

  • @mafiashpagety
    @mafiashpagety Месяц назад +1

    Now every crappy plugin is an AI. They are bored with that marketing.

  • @sebastianwoolgar4530
    @sebastianwoolgar4530 Месяц назад

    A spinning globe Wow! , this must be good .....

  • @Azfurita
    @Azfurita Месяц назад +2

    I tried this and it killed my dog

  • @OliverAmberg
    @OliverAmberg Месяц назад

    Drumroll.... You are reading a user guide!!!! I am shocked! 😁

  • @80s_kid
    @80s_kid Месяц назад +5

    This isn't Optimus, this must be a Decepticon.

    • @ViN-EzL
      @ViN-EzL Месяц назад +1

      Decepticon

    • @80s_kid
      @80s_kid Месяц назад

      @@ViN-EzL Uh, yes, thanks.

  • @the_handsome_bear
    @the_handsome_bear Месяц назад +1

    Optimus was horrible when I tried it 😂😂😂. Apple logic mastering and ozone both blow it out of the water

  • @user-yk4gd1fl4z
    @user-yk4gd1fl4z Месяц назад

    Well,at least elevators will sound better now I guess.

  • @TonyChamberlist
    @TonyChamberlist Месяц назад

    Your scepticism is warranted. It's delivering a "smiley" EQ curve... The sound delivered is more attractive to the uninitiated of course. Do your evaluation with a completely different production, and I'll bet a similar if not identical picture emerges. And, who are these developers? What is their background? Where did they cut their teeth in terms of audio production? This thing stinks of snake oil.....

  • @audiowaymusic
    @audiowaymusic Месяц назад

    Nobody needs that. I do it all with my Human Intelligence.

  •  Месяц назад

    Mac is working on linux because it's good, here it seems like it's an ozone thing someone took and just removed the tools 😂😂

  • @SkyrenOfficial
    @SkyrenOfficial Месяц назад +6

    SNAKEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIL

  • @a_doggo
    @a_doggo Месяц назад

    So it's basically a plugin like Dynamic Grading, APU Loudness Compressor, or the LANDR Mastering Plugin? A loudness limiter with an exciter maybe. You can run it in series with The God Particle, guys!!! This stuff feels like an inside joke. I'm sorry, but if you can't beat DJ Swivel's HitStrip, I'm not installing you anymore. That's the bare minimum.

  • @gregpastic6910
    @gregpastic6910 Месяц назад

    Do we (mastering engineers) really feel threatened by AI mastering? I'm not, for the following reasons. Why would anyone spend hundreds of hours writing music and lyrics, $$ thousands on recording and mixing, all the hours of editing, etc, etc, and then go and put ALL your blood, sweat and tears in the hands of an AI algorithm for mastering? GEEZ guys....use a real mastering engineer, a human that you can talk to and get constructive feedback from. It's NOT expensive to use a qualified engineer in a good studio. I and other mastering engineers offer a free track, so you've got nothing to lose. You can then compare it to AI mastering. Don't risk selling yourself short, your music and career are worth it. Cheers and keep making music!

  • @mastermindesrpr
    @mastermindesrpr Месяц назад

    Smart Eq clone????

  • @beehype46and2
    @beehype46and2 Месяц назад +2

    Comment for da algorithm
    Streak count: 276

  • @nanutpicaboo
    @nanutpicaboo Месяц назад

    Please Neural Amp Modeler (Free) has a lot of outboard gear, please can you test some for us? Love your channel, thanks!

  • @DerekPower
    @DerekPower Месяц назад

    No, AI will not take your job … unless you’ve been a machine all along 😁

  • @mayzter8765
    @mayzter8765 Месяц назад +7

    we need AI in creative projects as we need hamaroids..not!

    • @Kkidzz
      @Kkidzz Месяц назад +1

      Absolutely depends on whether it's Honey'd or Smoked...🙄

    • @marfaxa
      @marfaxa Месяц назад

      You're getting your ham from the wrong places.

  • @Mick-Ozz
    @Mick-Ozz Месяц назад

    A.I. won't paint it's fingernails

  • @Galaxis-X
    @Galaxis-X Месяц назад

    Finaly bro ❤

  • @Iscamania
    @Iscamania Месяц назад

    AI is just a buzz word in this case. 😛

  • @truegent68
    @truegent68 Месяц назад

    I think people will get so sick of ai music in the future you will see a massive resurgence of organic and live music, ai is soulless. It's handy to use as an assistant but that's it.

  • @alexanderkhait
    @alexanderkhait Месяц назад

    Always

  • @kshep39
    @kshep39 Месяц назад

    I demoed this and was not very impressed.

  • @jamesjames77777
    @jamesjames77777 2 месяца назад

    Could the AI be setting the other parameters to the track? Because if not, that’s pretty awful.

    • @Whiteseastudio
      @Whiteseastudio  2 месяца назад +1

      I could not figure this out

    • @SkyrenOfficial
      @SkyrenOfficial Месяц назад

      Like hidden attack, lookahead for compressor? Hidden ratios for spectral dynamics and hidden bands for space module? I highly doubt.

  • @DigitalDemonForge
    @DigitalDemonForge Месяц назад +1

    Nothing beats T-Racks 6 so far

    • @crunchwrapsupremium1053
      @crunchwrapsupremium1053 Месяц назад

      I have T-Racks 5 and was wondering if it was worth upgrading to 6

    • @phadrus
      @phadrus Месяц назад +1

      How so?

    • @uncle-ed
      @uncle-ed Месяц назад

      Nothing beats a mastering engineer so far

  • @UserFromSumy
    @UserFromSumy Месяц назад

    Snake oil is back, hello from Ukraine.

  • @igorkhomenko2508
    @igorkhomenko2508 Месяц назад

    🐍🛢

  • @Slope114
    @Slope114 Месяц назад +1

    Screw this make a video of you engineering to promote your work instead of promoting ai because you may end up successful on yt with no studio customers. IMO regardless of ai if you build a strong brand as engineer you will get work.

    • @yonatron5684
      @yonatron5684 Месяц назад

      Looks like I found someone that actually voted for Kamala

    • @Slope114
      @Slope114 Месяц назад

      @@yonatron5684i did! It was Russian interference. Orange face is a Russian asset

  • @peroatanasov931
    @peroatanasov931 7 дней назад

    Sorry bro but after all research, opinions from experienced Grammy awarded producers, I will say you are wrong. 60€ master plugin, and I am probably geting today. Even your face twitched when you realize that you can crank your mix up 7+db and still no distortion...
    I was you, analog freak, but I realized I need to use my time and space, 60's are over long ago man 😉

  • @cedd9043
    @cedd9043 Месяц назад

    This plugin is not great ; I don't understand the positive comments they have on their add

  • @mayzter8765
    @mayzter8765 Месяц назад +5

    We can ask AI/robots to listen to the outcome/music and be done with it. Stop promoting this BS. Music is a feeling, and by taking the 'human' out, you take out its soul. Music is already downgraded; with AI, it will become useless. I hate using these tools.

    • @mygoogle1525
      @mygoogle1525 Месяц назад +2

      You can work with AI. These are meant to be tools. Ypur humanity won't be tak3n out of it ,as long as ypu won't let it.

    • @mayzter8765
      @mayzter8765 Месяц назад

      @@mygoogle1525 we let it, because our music is already a dime a dozen..AI will make us math stupid as the calculator did, but more broad..

    • @mygoogle1525
      @mygoogle1525 Месяц назад

      @mayzter8765
      That's a choice. It's not AI doing it but the people.

    • @mayzter8765
      @mayzter8765 Месяц назад

      @@mygoogle1525 That's the problem, we make a choice, not the algorithm...until now, I'm not worried...AI is shit..

    • @mygoogle1525
      @mygoogle1525 Месяц назад

      @@mayzter8765
      It's shit ,if you see it shit. Imagine people being upset with the invention of a phone,because it has replaced their ability to write letters.

  • @kkamelsolo
    @kkamelsolo Месяц назад

    Don t be afraid man ... just make your own AI plug in 😉

  • @pptang123
    @pptang123 Месяц назад +2

    this plugin sounds really natural, trust your ears,I have used it instead of other more famous mastering plugins

  • @frattuncbas
    @frattuncbas Месяц назад +1

    Ik Master Match X i better than this.😂

  • @timepainter6831
    @timepainter6831 Месяц назад

    It's so self defeating. Fully AI, bit you also have control? We already have that from other vendors much better, happily use them and happily use old-fashioned outboard gear. Here's the thing, they offer AI, but also full control. So your aiming at home producers...and in the end it's your ears, heart and soul that decide if it's okay. This week ruined a mix totally because I was working till late too long...so AI would be useful if it didn't let me make any decisions?

  • @SHOCMUSIC
    @SHOCMUSIC Месяц назад

    Looks very useless, yes xD

  • @TheNoticer12
    @TheNoticer12 Месяц назад +1

    Its complete garbage.

  • @lindsayandrews5707
    @lindsayandrews5707 Месяц назад

    Lame. SO lame.

  • @matt_nyc_audioengineer
    @matt_nyc_audioengineer Месяц назад

    👎🏻