I listen to both .but what is great about cds 💿 you don't have to get up flip the cd over lol 😆 I think the sound is better on cd than vinyl. I keep all my cds 💿 in towers .I don't have to clean my records they play the same everytime I play it .I keep my vinyls in crates I have all my vinyl in a closet.
I love vinyl but yes there's a lot of inconveniences about it. CD is my preference. Considering that storage space is always an issue, you can store up to four times as much tunes on CD as you can on vinyl. And I love how easy it is to skip tracks on CDs. Mainly I buy vinyl when I can't find an album on CD and the prices on those records are insane!
Size, cost, portability, durability, availability Moving definitely sucks. My collection is approaching 12000 cds, still need to build another floor to ceiling wall rack.
Vinyl is old technology no matter how u dress it up, it can't sound better than CDs and having to turn over an album half way through is also a nuisance. The only good thing about them is the packaging and larger artwork. Still I'm happy that vinyl is so popular right now because at least it supports the bands who are making the music that we love.
"Better" is subjective. To me, the sonic characteristics ("imperfections") of vinyl are more pleasing to the ear than the crystal clear fidelity of CDs. Vinyl absolutely can, and does, sound better to me. Flipping a record over also isn't objectively a "nuisance." It's part of the ritual. The tactile experience of handling records is a big part of the overall appeal.
its old technology but I've found with a lot of older albums that were released when vinyl was the only option that original presses often sound better than cd. of course this depends on how big the group is. a small group from the 70's who has a cd reissue on a random label vs a big band on a major label makes a difference as well. the big group will likely sound just as good on cd whereas the smaller band often won't because they might not have access to masters, etc.
Very awesomeness vid.. And a great debate/points on rhe difference on the two formats .. I was buying viynl but have gone back to CDs now in the last say 5 or 6 years... Just simply because of price and a lot of quality control issues..
Though I do not collect anymore, as the Internet exists, and I can heare most anything that I want to hear.. Give me CD's anyday. They are smaller, Very good quality in soung and the artwork. Aesier to transport! Though I do appreciate Vinyl records, their sound and the people who collect them, = A REAL Labor of Love! I Get it Only if you have the time, $$ and space for these Awesome time capsules! They are Very Heavy to move, Yes! I have mostly 2000 + CD's, but there is not much of a market on CD's as I v=would Love to sell someday. A Good Perfect Vinyl sound AWESOME! But they are really hard to keep, without tender Care! If you have one that you want to hear over and over again = Good luck, as it WILL Wear out! A CD will not, with proper basic care. Great Video as Always Dude!
Ive pretty much sold my vinyl collection and went back to CD. I loved the cool factor of vinyl, but I realized I'm a lazy listener. I like putting on a CD on and letting it play. I think those triple vinyls Iron Maiden were releasing broke me. Too much flipping sides, and changing records. Plus they were charging $69 for the triple vinyl, or $24 for the CD. I haven't done what you've done with shoe boxes, but I have considered CD binders. I'm not emotionally there yet. I have considered doing it more with my concert DVDs.
Dude I am such a lazy listener all I do now is stream . I am even so lazy that I don’t feel like picking an album to listen too , I have all of my favorite albums that I have listened too for the last 46 years in Apple music on shuffle .. all day long where ever I go ..
You have alot of great points. I'm a fan of both formats and I mostly buy second hand vinyl and CDs. Here in Norway the prices on used vinyl is still pretty acceptable in the recordstores. I often roam the thriftstores aswell where the prices are incredible low on both vinyl and cds. You wont believe the albums I have come across to just a couple of dollars.
Great until the player started to chew them up and u had to operate and join it together again with half of a song missing, at least that's what I remember.
Pretty much everything you've said here (except that in my case I literally prefer CD over vinyl now; aside from the larger cover art still being a very nice perk). It's funny how trends can completely change back and forth over just a few decades. When I started collecting records in the late 80s, used copies of vinyls were dirt cheap and also very easy to find while CDs were still kind of hyped and way more expensive both new and used (at least in France). That's one of the main reasons while I ended up buying a lot of vinyls, along with the fact that my hi-fi system had a very good turn-table by default as was still the norm back then (it was the CD player you had to buy separately ^^). Still, I enjoy and trust CDs so much more that any album I initially had only on vinyl and listened to a lot, I eventually bought on CD as well. Some records were never properly released on CD though, whereas I could grab them on vinyl easily, so for these I made do (but still wished I had on CD). ---- These days, we're pretty much in the opposite situation with vinyl being super trendy and expensive, both new and used, as you've said. While many people moved or are moving away from CDs and listen to audio files or streams on their computer instead, so used CDs are becoming cheaper and easier to find now. I should go back to my days of searching for gems in used record stores, except for CDs now. This could be fun! ^^ ---- The one thing I regret is that I no longer have a functioning turn-table so my hundreds of vinyls are basically decoration these days. Still including a few dozens that I treasure and I never found an acceptable CD version of them. Typically it's because they simply don't exist: that's true of most of Exciter's 80s albums, Coven's 'Blessed is the Black', and anything by Angel Witch except exactly the 1980 debut, which has the exact opposite problem (way too many versions). In most cases, I settled for downloading the cleanest vinyl rip I could find from a trustworthy fellow audiophile, sometimes mix and matching several different sources to get the best copy of each track. To be clear, I don't consider it "sailing the high seas" when the band and or record company never made the effort to release their records, and or are long gone anyway. If anything, that's preserving history. Even if I still had my turn-table and I tried recording my own vinyls on my computer, they all have way too much wear and tear to be worth the effort (especially the ones I'd most want to copy). --- There are still plenty of albums for which there is no single version that's complete in either format, like GraveStone's or Holy Terror's albums for instance: some have only been released on CD as annoying, confusing and above all, incomplete "two in one" compilations of two or more albums on a single disc. To fit the playing time limit, some tracks have been partially cut out or outright removed, so I can only access them from a vinyl source. Not to mention really dumb screw-ups like Kreator's first album and EP that are missing the first couple of seconds from several tracks compared to the original vinyl release (even on remastered reissues V_v). Just like "Kicked in the Teeth", basically (I know this should speak to the AC/DC in you). ^^
I’ve been into vinyl for a while, and I was listening to a record a few days ago. It was time to flip it over, and halfway through side 2, I had a skip. I jumped it forward a bit and had another skip 2 songs later. I said to myself “this isn’t ‘immersive’. It’s a pain in the ass!” I have the CD of the album and a stereo that sounds as good as my turntable setup. I decided I was intentionally dealing with vinyl instead, just to feel cool. I never even had nostalgia for the format since I grew up on cassettes and CDs. I was I had realized this before I bought 300 of them! It’s fine though. I love that larger artwork, so that’ll be my justification going forward. I’d gotten skips and surface noise in the past, but that was the first time it pissed me off.
I have both a vinyl collection and a CD collection and I love them both. I started buying vinyl back in the 70s. I do not choose between the two formats, I enjoy both. My biggest beef with CDs is when they become victims of the loudness wars.
I have my granddad records with some jazz from 1920. I'm not sure how long CD can keep data inside, but I do collect records of music important for me to share with grandkids.
I like the look and feel of LPs (which I've been collecting my whole life) and their packaging better than CDs, but the actual sound quality really depends entirely on the original recording and the mastering (or remastering). I will go for months listening only to one format or the other, mostly out of habit (and I have thousands of CDs burned losslessly to hard drives which I play via Roon through vintage '70s amps for a sound I really like). One delivery system is not categorically "better" than the other. But they ARE different! P.S. I have that Fluance RT-85 and really like it, too. Also a new Music Hall Classic, which sells for just a little more (about $650). It does one "semi-automatic" thing the Fluance doesn't: It lifts the tone arm at the end of a side when it stops spinning. But when it comes to how it sounds, that's really up to the cartridge and whatever phono stage you're using (built-in or external through line inputs).
I've got about 4k vinyl albums mostly purchased new at time of release all Hard Rock / Metal dating back to 1976 Boston s/t . They're part of my existence and life experience . Vinyl is king IMO .
All your points are valid, but I have a vinyl addiction, which as with any addiction, probably means I am insane for doing it despite all it's drawbacks.
I feel your pain with moving a vinyl collection. I moved to a rural area to get away from the city. I didn't trust the removalist to pack or transport to my collection because of the fragility of vinyl. I scrounged boxes from my local grocery store, packed them myself and hired a van to transport the lot to my new home. Also I couldn't believe how heavy they were. An absolute pain but it was worth it as every record I own was bought new and are in mint condition. My cd collection I knew had a better chance of survival with a removalist.
Blimey! A paid up member of the black t-shirt brigade joins the commonsense club. Seriously, no offence to you at all.... but YES of course! Good for you mate.
I keep most of my CDs ( other than box sets and digipacs ) in vinyl wallets that also hold the card inlays and booklets.They all fit in plastic boxes with lids that hold around 70 discs per box. I live in the UK and got the boxes from a chain called Staples, I'm sure there's a similar product available in the US. It's saved me a huge amount of shelf space.
If you get a scratch on a cd you can buff it out on a buffer wheel, or a buffer attachment on a Dremel tool. I've buffed out a lot of cds using that method.
I have CDs and Vinyls and even cassettes. CDS are tops. In some cases vinyls are good on some records if they are mastered remixed and such but tend to be expensive. Some records of the day are really good sounding on vinyl then in the latter day of CD. Like me having a Stereo enhanced Kinks Greatest Hits vinyl where it seems to really breathe and sound alive then on a cd with the compressed digital sound on the CD sounding dull. Gather CDs have gotten along better with time. The reasons you give John are spot on. Thanks.
Hi 👋 im viewing from New Zealand. Im in my sixties in age. I used to buy vinyl and cassettes in the 1970s. I personally think that vinyl is still a good format. But i don't own a turntable , so i no longer buy records. I like cds and buy them , new and used ones. I have a large collection ranging from the 1960s to the early 2000s. I like Jazz music. I use a cleaning solution called Isopropyl Alcohol for cleaning purposes of cds. I find it does the job well using a soft cloth with it. I wore my hair long like yours in the early 1970s. I don't have much hair nowadays, and it's grey in colour.
I think one of the eras soon to come for vinyl and vinyl listeners is one where we all know full well how tedious and time consuming running a good turntable and playing clean records can be and that it’s more difficult and takes up more space and costs more money but it is by far the most special way you can listen to music. People who enjoy using physical media instead of streaming and people who like collecting have less vinyl than they do CDs but the vinyl they have are more valuable than the CDs most of the time and that will be a universally known thing
I have both cds and vinyl, some titles on both formats like the 70s Black Sabbath, 70s Uriah Heep. I only listen to my vinyl on special occasions. I rip my cds on laptops then transfer them to my ipods. I listen to my ipods when I go walking to exercise. At home I listen to RUclips since I only have wifi internet at home because I only have pay as you go by data on my android phone.
I will understand the argument that vinyl takes up too much space. They might be taller, but a jewel case is at least 3 times wider than one slab of vinyl. I collect both, and my CDs take up much more room on my shelves than my records do.
Size , yes , but I love that album art , love holding the thing , looking at the pictures , the sleeve , some might be nostalgia yes .., but art is not about convenience . Maintenance yeah sure , but CD's are not as tough as some may think , they do damage .., CD's after 30 to 40 years deteriorate whereas a vinyl record properly taken care of with occasional listens can last 100 plus years . Equipment , turntable , if one shops around you can get a decent used one for 100 bucks m the needle , again if properly used it can last years , or the belt .., again can last quite a while .., CD player , I have had my trays stop opening , I had the laser skip .., . Inner groove distortion should really not happen too often if the set up is correct , stylus/headshell .., CD's have many different issues with recording qualities as well , ADD AAD DDD, and so on , compression rates , .., Price , yup bud , no arguments from me .., you raise some decent points , but nothing beats pulling out that record , putting that needle down and actually being " part " of the listening experience ..,
No one ever said CDs were indestructible, I mean don't use them as a frisbee or eat your dinner off them. There's a point where you can damage anything. I had a friend who said he thought CDs were easily damaged, cheaper and inferior and vinyl was more durable. Then I watched how he handled his records, compared to his CDs. He handled vinyl like it was the Dead Sea Scrolls, a museum piece or something. But he would casually throw his CDs in their cases around, sometimes didn't stick the CDs back properly in their cases, they'd just get tossed about. The problem wasn't the formats, it was him and his attitude to his music- he was a vinyl snob. There are some people commenting here who remind me of him. I still have CDs I bought in the late 1980s and early 1990s so we are going over 30 years now and they still sound fantastic, I can compare tracks on them to different versions on recent CD reissues and they still sound great.
Anyone who says vinyl sounds way better than cd has never heard a great cd player. Anyone who says cds sound way better than vinyl has never heard really serious vinyl playback. They are both close and both really good. Many magnitudes more difference between the mastering, than one format over the other. That people would pay 3 to 12 times more for vinyl for what might be a 10% improvement in sound quality is not surprising. Those same people pay 30 times more on playback equipment; and sometimes more than that. But at that price level their sound quality is way more than 10% better. I There are still some high brow people claiming vinyl has way better sound. If they ever hear a REALLY GOOD cd player, they will realize that they spent at least 3 times more for a very small improvement, if any. If the mastering isn't great, the cd version might even have the better sound. Cd pressings are way nore consistent and dependable than vinyl pressings. Don't be a glutton for punishment. My theory is that deep down, many lp collectors want their money to go away; to someone else. And it does!
You missed what I consider to be the #1 reason cd's are better than vinyl-portability. You can only listen to vinyl where there is a turntable. With cd's I can listen to them in my car, at a friend's house, on the beach, at work, anywhere there is a CD player or a boombox.
I love surface noise and tape hiss (within reason). Digital formats aren’t objectively “better” because they’re less noisy. They’re objectively higher fidelity. Most people lack the critical thinking skills to understand the difference.
Yep. Bronzing. A common problem especially on burned cd’s but I also had official cd’s that went bad on me. Everybody I tell this to tells me it never happened to them. CD’s from certain record labels cheaply made lost its sound quality or make weird noises. Most people will be fine and it won’t happen. I am just not a fan of the cd format. Once I started noticing this happening I converted my entire collection to digital and never looked back. I am done with cds
This surprises me. I have 40 years old CDs that are still good as new, and the color change you describe has never happened to any CD I own (and I have around 2,000 original CDs, not counting any CD-Rs). I'm honestly curious as to what's causing this; I've heard some horror stories about CD-Rs but I've never experienced any issue myself even with those. I keep all my CDs away from sunlight, humidity, and high or low temperatures as much as possible, and they're safely stored in a jewel case or other protective storage options (plastic or paper). Have you been taking similarly good care of your CDs and some still degraded and became yellow without being exposed to direct sunlight or other things that can damage them? If so, you might have been unlucky and some specific pressings you have in your collection might have had a default or they were manufactured in a substandard way. As far as I can tell, CDs are seemingly forever as long as they're reasonably taken care of (which as John pointed out, doesn't require a lot of effort). I'm sorry for you either way.
@@thomasmandeno2776that’s not true old school rap cds 💿 are worth a lot of money 💴 on cds 💿 most music it’s not available on streaming especially when artist don’t put it on stealing cds are worth $100 more i😊
I just had to replace a Panasonic CD player I had from 2001-2022, lasted about 20 or so years until it started playing up. Maybe you just didn't buy good CD players.
@ that’s what I’m saying I have Sony cd 💿 players for a long time and they last really long if u take care of them there the best when u want good sound quality
The only advantage CDs have over vinyl is price. That is significant, but CDs cannot match the charm of vinyl. If people are honest with themselves, they won’t debate that😅
They both have their pro's and con's. The more types of formats we can listen to, the better. In addition to all the great audio formats readily available, you can also experiment with SS vs. Tube gear with tons of speaker options. Pretty great time to be a music lover.
CDs forever. CDs always. The Best Format by Far.
You sound like a religious zealot 😆
All formats are awesome I love them all in their own way vinyl being the most ceremonious of the options
My mantra is "it's not about the format, it's about the music"
I will NEVER go back to vinyl because of all those reasons. CDs are better in all ways except artwork. Long live the CD.
I listen to both .but what is great about cds 💿 you don't have to get up flip the cd over lol 😆 I think the sound is better on cd than vinyl. I keep all my cds 💿 in towers .I don't have to clean my records they play the same everytime I play it .I keep my vinyls in crates I have all my vinyl in a closet.
I love vinyl but yes there's a lot of inconveniences about it. CD is my preference. Considering that storage space is always an issue, you can store up to four times as much tunes on CD as you can on vinyl. And I love how easy it is to skip tracks on CDs. Mainly I buy vinyl when I can't find an album on CD and the prices on those records are insane!
Size, cost, portability, durability, availability
Moving definitely sucks. My collection is approaching 12000 cds, still need to build another floor to ceiling wall rack.
Vinyl is old technology no matter how u dress it up, it can't sound better than CDs and having to turn over an album half way through is also a nuisance. The only good thing about them is the packaging and larger artwork. Still I'm happy that vinyl is so popular right now because at least it supports the bands who are making the music that we love.
"Better" is subjective. To me, the sonic characteristics ("imperfections") of vinyl are more pleasing to the ear than the crystal clear fidelity of CDs. Vinyl absolutely can, and does, sound better to me. Flipping a record over also isn't objectively a "nuisance." It's part of the ritual. The tactile experience of handling records is a big part of the overall appeal.
its old technology but I've found with a lot of older albums that were released when vinyl was the only option that original presses often sound better than cd. of course this depends on how big the group is. a small group from the 70's who has a cd reissue on a random label vs a big band on a major label makes a difference as well. the big group will likely sound just as good on cd whereas the smaller band often won't because they might not have access to masters, etc.
@@fclefjefff4041 its what u like and that's what's most important so enjoy listening for many more years 👍👍
I'm an old man and I lived through vinyl, 8 tracks,cassettes, CDs and streaming. If you want physical media CD is the way to go.
Very awesomeness vid.. And a great debate/points on rhe difference on the two formats .. I was buying viynl but have gone back to CDs now in the last say 5 or 6 years... Just simply because of price and a lot of quality control issues..
Yes indeed - and you're another clued-up guy who has seen the light.
Though I do not collect anymore, as the Internet exists, and I can heare most anything that I want to hear.. Give me CD's anyday. They are smaller, Very good quality in soung and the artwork. Aesier to transport! Though I do appreciate Vinyl records, their sound and the people who collect them, = A REAL Labor of Love! I Get it Only if you have the time, $$ and space for these Awesome time capsules! They are Very Heavy to move, Yes!
I have mostly 2000 + CD's, but there is not much of a market on CD's as I v=would Love to sell someday.
A Good Perfect Vinyl sound AWESOME! But they are really hard to keep, without tender Care! If you have one that you want to hear over and over again = Good luck, as it WILL Wear out! A CD will not, with proper basic care.
Great Video as Always Dude!
Ive pretty much sold my vinyl collection and went back to CD. I loved the cool factor of vinyl, but I realized I'm a lazy listener. I like putting on a CD on and letting it play. I think those triple vinyls Iron Maiden were releasing broke me. Too much flipping sides, and changing records. Plus they were charging $69 for the triple vinyl, or $24 for the CD. I haven't done what you've done with shoe boxes, but I have considered CD binders. I'm not emotionally there yet. I have considered doing it more with my concert DVDs.
Dude I am such a lazy listener all I do now is stream . I am even so lazy that I don’t feel like picking an album to listen too , I have all of my favorite albums that I have listened too for the last 46 years in Apple music on shuffle .. all day long where ever I go ..
You have alot of great points. I'm a fan of both formats and I mostly buy second hand vinyl and CDs. Here in Norway the prices on used vinyl is still pretty acceptable in the recordstores. I often roam the thriftstores aswell where the prices are incredible low on both vinyl and cds. You wont believe the albums I have come across to just a couple of dollars.
Cassettes were great , but once cds came out I was sold on that format .
Great until the player started to chew them up and u had to operate and join it together again with half of a song missing, at least that's what I remember.
Pretty much everything you've said here (except that in my case I literally prefer CD over vinyl now; aside from the larger cover art still being a very nice perk). It's funny how trends can completely change back and forth over just a few decades. When I started collecting records in the late 80s, used copies of vinyls were dirt cheap and also very easy to find while CDs were still kind of hyped and way more expensive both new and used (at least in France). That's one of the main reasons while I ended up buying a lot of vinyls, along with the fact that my hi-fi system had a very good turn-table by default as was still the norm back then (it was the CD player you had to buy separately ^^). Still, I enjoy and trust CDs so much more that any album I initially had only on vinyl and listened to a lot, I eventually bought on CD as well. Some records were never properly released on CD though, whereas I could grab them on vinyl easily, so for these I made do (but still wished I had on CD).
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These days, we're pretty much in the opposite situation with vinyl being super trendy and expensive, both new and used, as you've said. While many people moved or are moving away from CDs and listen to audio files or streams on their computer instead, so used CDs are becoming cheaper and easier to find now. I should go back to my days of searching for gems in used record stores, except for CDs now. This could be fun! ^^
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The one thing I regret is that I no longer have a functioning turn-table so my hundreds of vinyls are basically decoration these days. Still including a few dozens that I treasure and I never found an acceptable CD version of them. Typically it's because they simply don't exist: that's true of most of Exciter's 80s albums, Coven's 'Blessed is the Black', and anything by Angel Witch except exactly the 1980 debut, which has the exact opposite problem (way too many versions). In most cases, I settled for downloading the cleanest vinyl rip I could find from a trustworthy fellow audiophile, sometimes mix and matching several different sources to get the best copy of each track. To be clear, I don't consider it "sailing the high seas" when the band and or record company never made the effort to release their records, and or are long gone anyway. If anything, that's preserving history. Even if I still had my turn-table and I tried recording my own vinyls on my computer, they all have way too much wear and tear to be worth the effort (especially the ones I'd most want to copy).
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There are still plenty of albums for which there is no single version that's complete in either format, like GraveStone's or Holy Terror's albums for instance: some have only been released on CD as annoying, confusing and above all, incomplete "two in one" compilations of two or more albums on a single disc. To fit the playing time limit, some tracks have been partially cut out or outright removed, so I can only access them from a vinyl source. Not to mention really dumb screw-ups like Kreator's first album and EP that are missing the first couple of seconds from several tracks compared to the original vinyl release (even on remastered reissues V_v). Just like "Kicked in the Teeth", basically (I know this should speak to the AC/DC in you). ^^
I’ve been into vinyl for a while, and I was listening to a record a few days ago. It was time to flip it over, and halfway through side 2, I had a skip. I jumped it forward a bit and had another skip 2 songs later. I said to myself “this isn’t ‘immersive’. It’s a pain in the ass!” I have the CD of the album and a stereo that sounds as good as my turntable setup. I decided I was intentionally dealing with vinyl instead, just to feel cool. I never even had nostalgia for the format since I grew up on cassettes and CDs. I was I had realized this before I bought 300 of them! It’s fine though. I love that larger artwork, so that’ll be my justification going forward. I’d gotten skips and surface noise in the past, but that was the first time it pissed me off.
Great video and valid points. I love my records but also love my cd's!
I have both a vinyl collection and a CD collection and I love them both. I started buying vinyl back in the 70s. I do not choose between the two formats, I enjoy both. My biggest beef with CDs is when they become victims of the loudness wars.
I've had eight tracks, cassettes, CD's, and vinyl. It's all good to me.
I have my granddad records with some jazz from 1920. I'm not sure how long CD can keep data inside, but I do collect records of music important for me to share with grandkids.
Just listen to the sound of guitar brothers Angus and Malcolm Young from Bon Scott's time on original vinyl and CD. Everything will be clear to you.
I like the look and feel of LPs (which I've been collecting my whole life) and their packaging better than CDs, but the actual sound quality really depends entirely on the original recording and the mastering (or remastering). I will go for months listening only to one format or the other, mostly out of habit (and I have thousands of CDs burned losslessly to hard drives which I play via Roon through vintage '70s amps for a sound I really like). One delivery system is not categorically "better" than the other. But they ARE different!
P.S. I have that Fluance RT-85 and really like it, too. Also a new Music Hall Classic, which sells for just a little more (about $650). It does one "semi-automatic" thing the Fluance doesn't: It lifts the tone arm at the end of a side when it stops spinning. But when it comes to how it sounds, that's really up to the cartridge and whatever phono stage you're using (built-in or external through line inputs).
I've got about 4k vinyl albums mostly purchased new at time of release all Hard Rock / Metal dating back to 1976 Boston s/t . They're part of my existence and life experience . Vinyl is king IMO .
I love CD's! They're just better. Like they were designed to be.
All your points are valid, but I have a vinyl addiction, which as with any addiction, probably means I am insane for doing it despite all it's drawbacks.
I feel your pain with moving a vinyl collection. I moved to a rural area to get away from the city. I didn't trust the removalist to pack or transport to my collection because of the fragility of vinyl. I scrounged boxes from my local grocery store, packed them myself and hired a van to transport the lot to my new home. Also I couldn't believe how heavy they were. An absolute pain but it was worth it as every record I own was bought new and are in mint condition. My cd collection I knew had a better chance of survival with a removalist.
Blimey! A paid up member of the black t-shirt brigade joins the commonsense club.
Seriously, no offence to you at all.... but YES of course! Good for you mate.
I keep most of my CDs ( other than box sets and digipacs ) in vinyl wallets that also hold the card inlays and booklets.They all fit in plastic boxes with lids that hold around 70 discs per box. I live in the UK and got the boxes from a chain called Staples, I'm sure there's a similar product available in the US. It's saved me a huge amount of shelf space.
If you get a scratch on a cd you can buff it out on a buffer wheel, or a buffer attachment on a Dremel tool. I've buffed out a lot of cds using that method.
Listen to whatever format you like.
I have CDs and Vinyls and even cassettes. CDS are tops. In some cases vinyls are good on some records if they are mastered remixed and such but tend to be expensive. Some records of the day are really good sounding on vinyl then in the latter day of CD. Like me having a Stereo enhanced Kinks Greatest Hits vinyl where it seems to really breathe and sound alive then on a cd with the compressed digital sound on the CD sounding dull. Gather CDs have gotten along better with time. The reasons you give John are spot on. Thanks.
digital transfered to vinyl i like to call a CD in Disguise
It's like saying lights are better than candles, but candles are way cooler.
Cds sound better pont blank the best format
Cds better sound quality than cheap ass streaming 📀📀💿💿🤙🤙 u own the music no internet 🛜 and support the artist 🧑🎨 physical media forever 🤙🥲
Hi 👋 im viewing from New Zealand. Im in my sixties in age. I used to buy vinyl and cassettes in the 1970s. I personally think that vinyl is still a good format. But i don't own a turntable , so i no longer buy records. I like cds and buy them , new and used ones. I have a large collection ranging from the 1960s to the early 2000s. I like Jazz music. I use a cleaning solution called Isopropyl Alcohol for cleaning purposes of cds. I find it does the job well using a soft cloth with it. I wore my hair long like yours in the early 1970s. I don't have much hair nowadays, and it's grey in colour.
I think one of the eras soon to come for vinyl and vinyl listeners is one where we all know full well how tedious and time consuming running a good turntable and playing clean records can be and that it’s more difficult and takes up more space and costs more money but it is by far the most special way you can listen to music. People who enjoy using physical media instead of streaming and people who like collecting have less vinyl than they do CDs but the vinyl they have are more valuable than the CDs most of the time and that will be a universally known thing
I have both cds and vinyl, some titles on both formats like the 70s Black Sabbath, 70s Uriah Heep.
I only listen to my vinyl on special occasions. I rip my cds on laptops then transfer them to my ipods. I listen to my ipods when I go walking to exercise. At home I listen to RUclips since I only have wifi internet at home because I only have pay as you go by data on my android phone.
I will understand the argument that vinyl takes up too much space. They might be taller, but a jewel case is at least 3 times wider than one slab of vinyl. I collect both, and my CDs take up much more room on my shelves than my records do.
I can hear your wife screamig about the records from here! xD
Size , yes , but I love that album art , love holding the thing , looking at the pictures , the sleeve , some might be nostalgia yes .., but art is not about convenience . Maintenance yeah sure , but CD's are not as tough as some may think , they do damage .., CD's after 30 to 40 years deteriorate whereas a vinyl record properly taken care of with occasional listens can last 100 plus years . Equipment , turntable , if one shops around you can get a decent used one for 100 bucks m the needle , again if properly used it can last years , or the belt .., again can last quite a while .., CD player , I have had my trays stop opening , I had the laser skip .., . Inner groove distortion should really not happen too often if the set up is correct , stylus/headshell .., CD's have many different issues with recording qualities as well , ADD AAD DDD, and so on , compression rates , .., Price , yup bud , no arguments from me .., you raise some decent points , but nothing beats pulling out that record , putting that needle down and actually being " part " of the listening experience ..,
No one ever said CDs were indestructible, I mean don't use them as a frisbee or eat your dinner off them. There's a point where you can damage anything.
I had a friend who said he thought CDs were easily damaged, cheaper and inferior and vinyl was more durable. Then I watched how he handled his records, compared to his CDs. He handled vinyl like it was the Dead Sea Scrolls, a museum piece or something. But he would casually throw his CDs in their cases around, sometimes didn't stick the CDs back properly in their cases, they'd just get tossed about. The problem wasn't the formats, it was him and his attitude to his music- he was a vinyl snob. There are some people commenting here who remind me of him.
I still have CDs I bought in the late 1980s and early 1990s so we are going over 30 years now and they still sound fantastic, I can compare tracks on them to different versions on recent CD reissues and they still sound great.
I think both are nice
You can only play vinyl at home. But you can play a Cd at home and also in your car.
Anyone who says vinyl sounds way better than cd has never heard a great cd player. Anyone who says cds sound way better than vinyl has never heard really serious vinyl playback. They are both close and both really good. Many magnitudes more difference between the mastering, than one format over the other. That people would pay 3 to 12 times more for vinyl for what might be a 10% improvement in sound quality is not surprising. Those same people pay 30 times more on playback equipment; and sometimes more than that. But at that price level their sound quality is way more than 10% better.
I There are still some high brow people claiming vinyl has way better sound. If they ever hear a REALLY GOOD cd player, they will realize that they spent at least 3 times more for a very small improvement, if any. If the mastering isn't great, the cd version might even have the better sound. Cd pressings are way nore consistent and dependable than vinyl pressings. Don't be a glutton for punishment. My theory is that deep down, many lp collectors want their money to go away; to someone else. And it does!
You missed what I consider to be the #1 reason cd's are better than vinyl-portability. You can only listen to vinyl where there is a turntable. With cd's I can listen to them in my car, at a friend's house, on the beach, at work, anywhere there is a CD player or a boombox.
I am a streamer but I do love the warm analog sounds of vinyl.. i actually love the pops and cracks
I love surface noise and tape hiss (within reason). Digital formats aren’t objectively “better” because they’re less noisy. They’re objectively higher fidelity. Most people lack the critical thinking skills to understand the difference.
I need to buy a record player eventually
I got some cd's from 20 years ago that I can play anymore. They turned from silver to yellow color.
Can't play anymore
Yep. Bronzing. A common problem especially on burned cd’s but I also had official cd’s that went bad on me. Everybody I tell this to tells me it never happened to them. CD’s from certain record labels cheaply made lost its sound quality or make weird noises. Most people will be fine and it won’t happen. I am just not a fan of the cd format. Once I started noticing this happening I converted my entire collection to digital and never looked back. I am done with cds
@@user-zq5eb2hj9o I have only ever had 1 CD go bad on me. Everything else has stayed in perfect playing shape.
This surprises me. I have 40 years old CDs that are still good as new, and the color change you describe has never happened to any CD I own (and I have around 2,000 original CDs, not counting any CD-Rs). I'm honestly curious as to what's causing this; I've heard some horror stories about CD-Rs but I've never experienced any issue myself even with those. I keep all my CDs away from sunlight, humidity, and high or low temperatures as much as possible, and they're safely stored in a jewel case or other protective storage options (plastic or paper).
Have you been taking similarly good care of your CDs and some still degraded and became yellow without being exposed to direct sunlight or other things that can damage them? If so, you might have been unlucky and some specific pressings you have in your collection might have had a default or they were manufactured in a substandard way. As far as I can tell, CDs are seemingly forever as long as they're reasonably taken care of (which as John pointed out, doesn't require a lot of effort). I'm sorry for you either way.
@legendmaker694 the only CD I had go bad was King Diamond- Them. Little clear dots appeared in the CD and the CD couldn't be read anymore
The new vinyl sucks in sound quality. Any AAD CD sounds better than new vinynl. However older vinynl rules in sound quality. I do both CD and vinyl
It has cost you a lot of money to come to this conclusion looking at your collection.
At least he can sell them. CDs are basically worth nothing😅
@@thomasmandeno2776that’s not true old school rap cds 💿 are worth a lot of money 💴 on cds 💿 most music it’s not available on streaming especially when artist don’t put it on stealing cds are worth $100 more i😊
Unfortunately CD players wear out quickly. I have been through 300 of them in the last 10 years. I've had the same turntable for 20 years.
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Not really it depends on the cd 💿 players there are some wayyyy better than others the cheap ones don’t last long
I just had to replace a Panasonic CD player I had from 2001-2022, lasted about 20 or so years until it started playing up. Maybe you just didn't buy good CD players.
@ that’s what I’m saying I have Sony cd 💿 players for a long time and they last really long if u take care of them there the best when u want good sound quality
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The only advantage CDs have over vinyl is price. That is significant, but CDs cannot match the charm of vinyl. If people are honest with themselves, they won’t debate that😅
They both have their pro's and con's. The more types of formats we can listen to, the better. In addition to all the great audio formats readily available, you can also experiment with SS vs. Tube gear with tons of speaker options. Pretty great time to be a music lover.