Boxing Is Weak Against Jiu Jitsu - Jocko Willink

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024

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  • @Mars13153
    @Mars13153 Месяц назад +47

    Complaining about arrogant boxers while being thoroughly arrogant about Jiu Jitsu.

    • @Pifagorass
      @Pifagorass Месяц назад +2

      The message is to cross training - boxing, karate, wrestling, BJJ. The message is clear in the video IMHO.
      The example of BJJ guy vs multiple years of experience strikers only tested before. There was a time BJJ founder tried to challenge Kimura, but he's not an arrogant striker only 😂
      One thing I hate about BJJ are long lasting injuries vs very short lasting ones in striking. I would not recommend starting as an adult BJJ or Judo - start early 😂
      I sent my son to JJJ 4 years old, moved to Gracie BJJ, to regular MMA gym BJJ and Shinkiokushin for almost 2 years. Doing acrobatics in dojo, regular karate, championship karate, and BJJ classes per week. From a weak and scared boy turned into an energetic and confident fighter not shy in testing he's calf kicks on me 😂

  • @SP79GB
    @SP79GB Месяц назад +34

    I'm training boxing and BJJ. I do not envy anyone approaching my boxing coach's range and taking even a grazing shot. High level boxers have an excellent read on movement and their accuracy and power is crazy.

    • @davidbjjkoran3563
      @davidbjjkoran3563 Месяц назад

      @@SP79GB High level BJJ have usually very good Wrestling, don't need to mention the rest, grapplers beats strikers usually 8/10 times

    • @SP79GB
      @SP79GB Месяц назад +2

      @@davidbjjkoran3563 If that was true most UFC champs would be grapplers most of the time

    • @davidbjjkoran3563
      @davidbjjkoran3563 Месяц назад +1

      @@SP79GB exactly they are by statistics, most UFC champion were grapplers (Wrestlers exactly)

  • @Sensei_Gaz
    @Sensei_Gaz Месяц назад +16

    I love Jujitsu, I do both 'Japanese' and BJJ. I've also competed in Judo and other sub grappling. Most BJJ'ers are delusional about dealing with good strikers, most have never been hit in their life, and it shows.

  • @erznana
    @erznana Месяц назад +32

    I box and do BJJ and have competed in both the Chicago Golden Gloves and IBJJF. One thing I’ve noticed about BJJ guys is that they are an insecure bunch. Bring up how there are more UFC champions with wrestling backgrounds and they will argue to the moon that wrestling isn’t as good as BJJ. Also ask a pure BJJ guy to step into the ring to do a round or two of striking and the excuses start flying 😂.
    Alot of the BJJ guys are nerds most of whom never been in a fight in their life and had their heart/fortitude tested. I do know some tough BJJ dudes out there but they are more the exception than the rule.
    I mean honestly, do you really want to have someone in your guard with your back on the pavement in a street fight? Similarly, a boxer is helpless once he is on the ground if that’s all he knows.
    That being said, diversify your skills and learn striking and grappling that way you can fall back on one if the other doesn’t work.

    • @erznana
      @erznana Месяц назад +4

      @@Canecorso14 I my opinion I think wrestling and judo would be better for the street. Combine that with BJJ and you’d be formidable.

    • @Canecorso14
      @Canecorso14 Месяц назад +1

      @@erznana I just got into bjj 3 months ago I go 3 times a week what am learning doesn’t seem like it would work if punches are getting thrown at my head while try to do these moves on the ground I could be wrong but that’s what it seems like sport bjj

    • @erznana
      @erznana Месяц назад

      @@Canecorso14 there are ways to keep them from punching you if you are on your back. But if it goes to the ground I’d rather be on top than on my back especially if we are standing on concrete.

    • @Canecorso14
      @Canecorso14 Месяц назад +2

      @@erznana ya going to stick with signed a contract anyway might try a class of judo after see how I like it

    • @italianmiltyfriedman6264
      @italianmiltyfriedman6264 Месяц назад

      exactly this

  • @GynJitsuRonin
    @GynJitsuRonin Месяц назад +7

    Boxing & Jiu-jitsu together... That's the good ish!

  • @grahamhill676
    @grahamhill676 Месяц назад +74

    Nah boxing is still king for self defence 100%. Everyone resorts to their hands when they get scared, EVERYONE. Dont believe me then look at the ultimate self defence championship by Rokas, or basically any street fight. Most fights end in one or two punches. So yes Jocko, the "I'll just knock him out" isnt to be scoffed at, thats exactly what happens most of the time.
    And if you're grappling, theres too many variables. Wanna shoot on concrete floor where there could be glass etc? Pretty risky. Wanna try for a choke when you're head it getting beaten in? What about if they produce a knife? Well then you're dead.
    Jocko is clueless in this regaed.

    • @Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr
      @Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr Месяц назад +2

      Well, BJJ also resorts to using one's hands.
      And it will be (extremely) hard for a boxer, to land clean shots to a BJJ fighter, once he's getting out-grappled, ragdolled or single/double legged and taken down.
      And once the BJJ fighter throws the boxer to the ground, he will immediately maneuver the boxer at ease and will force positions were ground techniques and ground strikes (which he masters better than the boxer) will be easier to perform than actual boxing strikes.

    • @ethanbuttitta1
      @ethanbuttitta1 Месяц назад +1

      You have no idea how weak your hands are

    • @Bepp13
      @Bepp13 Месяц назад +8

      @@ethanbuttitta1 Thats why you condition them.

    • @whiskyweasal89
      @whiskyweasal89 Месяц назад +1

      Art Jimmerman vs Royce Gracie.

    • @davidbjjkoran3563
      @davidbjjkoran3563 Месяц назад

      Wrestling is King nobody is gonna prepare you mentaly then a bunch of group that going life/death mode like in Wrestling competition or training, its desined for chaos and exceptional in street fighting even againts multiple opponents you have that durability and mentality of a war dog, you have strong body and neck (hard to knock you out) 🤷🏻‍♂️ it eats Boxing and BJJ most of the time... (hnorable mention, in MMA most champions are wrestlers) its S tier for self defense any possible scenario, even weapons involved or carrying a firearm its better then anything else, Boxing and BJJ are A tier both if you could combine all three with Wrestling and that war dog mentality its absolutely S+ tier there is no better option (you could swap boxing for Muay Thai maybe) but the Wrestling is absolutely must have for improving mentality and being tougher then anybody, have takedown defense, know how to defend clinch, develop strategy to stay on the feet and use slams, trips, throws, takedowns while stayig on the feet (depends on situation) so 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @JoeJoe-hi5op
    @JoeJoe-hi5op Месяц назад +4

    I only do kickboxing. I probably couldn’t beat a well trained grappler, but I can beat a few untrained bums at once very easy because punching and kicking is all I do since a decade.

  • @josedanielherrera7115
    @josedanielherrera7115 Месяц назад +15

    Let's all agree eye pokes and nut strikes are OP and move on.

    • @Reypstraptor4269
      @Reypstraptor4269 Месяц назад +1

      No we dont agree. They arent. If you can poke hes eyes he can poke yours. If you can strike hes groin he can strike your groin. Its not OP , its neutral.

    • @josedanielherrera7115
      @josedanielherrera7115 Месяц назад

      @Reypstraptor4269 within the context of the video. A comparative analysis was being made with the opposition, not knowing or utilizing said techniques. In that since, eye pokes and groin strikes are without a doubt OP. Please research and understand CONTEXT.

    • @JosephAllen-d2e
      @JosephAllen-d2e Месяц назад +1

      Can't we all just agree...GUNS!

  • @chasemob2
    @chasemob2 Месяц назад +5

    He literally says that he says boxing is great, you should learn multiple types of striking as well. He also says you should do wrestling. YOU NEED JIU JITSU.
    The fallacy is the 10/10 thing. Effectiveness is based on the individual, not the style. If someone manages distance well and can land punches, you see grapplers with no striking experience wilt. On the other hand, if the grappler knows how to manage distance and strikes, he can do his thing. The idea that one style is better is stupid. It's not. You need skills and attributes for each and on top of all of that you need to understand how to manage conflicts verbally and recognize when you're about to get into a fight. You can train all the martial arts you want in the world, but when a thug who has knocked out A LOT of people through talking his way closer to you and sucker punching you, IDC what art you train. If you are unconscious, you can't armbar someone or knock them out. This video is misleading about what Jocko says and his stance. While he is definitely a Jiu Jitsu fan boy, the title to this video is not his stance.

    • @brendankelly2653
      @brendankelly2653 Месяц назад

      Finally, thank you!! You definitely understand. 🙂👍

  • @GurneroMaelstrom
    @GurneroMaelstrom Месяц назад +28

    Good luck against multiple opponents, something boxers are better at

    • @Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr
      @Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr Месяц назад +2

      I agree that, depending on the situation, boxing can be (much) more effective than BJJ.
      But in this particular case, we're analysing Boxer vs BJJ fighter. And it's arguably true that a boxer's only chance to win that fight, is by delivering a KO early.
      The problem is, BJJ fighters are trained to physically engage the other guy, in ways that make it extremely difficult for him to land strikes. No matter how good of a boxer he may be. Stylistically speaking, BJJ is a bad match for a boxer. A boxer has more chance of winning vs a Muay Thai guy (for instance), than vs a BJJ fighter.

    • @dannyinformal
      @dannyinformal Месяц назад +3

      You can be an amazing boxer; multiple opponents will most likely best you anyway. There are multiple examples of accomplished mma fighters and boxers, who were beat down by 2 or 3 douche bags.

    • @Dennis-po2mi
      @Dennis-po2mi Месяц назад +3

      Western Boxing gives you the best chance in today's street altercations. Good hands, footwork and upper body movement is the best skillset to survive a gang attack.

    • @batdorfvideo
      @batdorfvideo Месяц назад +3

      ​@Dennis-po2mi actually parkour would give you the best chance in a gang attack lol the only way you win something like that is getting away. Life isn't an anime, you ain't going to box a gang

    • @JosephAllen-d2e
      @JosephAllen-d2e Месяц назад

      ​@@batdorfvideo Exactly. Sprinting, Parkhurst, and guns.

  • @baghi536
    @baghi536 Месяц назад +20

    Jiu Jitsu guys don't have good takedown. Wrestlers have good takedown and td defense. With very little td defense training a boxer can push off a jj grappler

    • @iphonai
      @iphonai Месяц назад +4

      depends which gym you go to! we do takedowns every time, we only start standing up

    • @David-mr8wi
      @David-mr8wi Месяц назад

      take you down every time mate.

    • @tarkovtxusa6626
      @tarkovtxusa6626 Месяц назад

      Depends on gym. Also, Japanese ju jutsu has very good takedowns.

    • @Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr
      @Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr Месяц назад +1

      I'll have to disagree.
      Take the example of guys like Arona, Jacaré Souza, BJ Penn, Minotauro, Charles Oliveira, etc. Those are fighters with BJJ background, who showed takedown supremacy, even against accomplished wrestlers.

    • @dannyinformal
      @dannyinformal Месяц назад +1

      You're talking about jiu jitsu 10 years ago. Jiu Jitsu now, is basically wrestling with submission proficiency. If that's not the case in your academy, you should change academy.

  • @BenjaminButton6573
    @BenjaminButton6573 29 дней назад +2

    It’s always jiu jitsu people think they are the only one with the answers. If anyone’s arrogant it’s them.

  • @AlfonsLC
    @AlfonsLC 3 дня назад

    A part of it was also. Boxing fighting a man toe to toe was honorable and you didn’t hit someone when they were down. You let back up and knocked them down again. Its not all just bad reasons.

  • @cspdx11
    @cspdx11 Месяц назад +4

    We are talking of a sport where people scoot on their butt in high level competitions

    • @erznana
      @erznana Месяц назад

      😂 They need to change the rules so it doesn’t allow that BS.

  • @jah96
    @jah96 Месяц назад +1

    The thumbnail killed me😂

  • @ronanscreed
    @ronanscreed 27 дней назад

    Im a BB in jujitsu, and i can tell you they are overselling jujitsu here.
    A high level striker can absolutely destroy your limbs and face before you can get a good takesown going if you dont have a good sense of striking yourself.
    The idea that a pure jujitsu guy will always be able to get around or through strikes and take things to the ground EVERY time is marketing bullpucky.
    This is particularly true of youve trained only with other people who want to go to the ground, so youre not used to having ng to earn it.
    Fights may end ep on the ground but they start standing up. Dont believe the hype. Cross train or get stomped.

  • @merdog3190
    @merdog3190 Месяц назад

    Its easier to learn pretty good takedown defense compared to high level boxing.
    A boxer not trained in take down defense will lose most of the time in a street fight/mma to someone trained in wrestling/jiu jitsu.
    Weestling is the base, then add kick boxing/muy thai, then add jiu jitsu.
    You have to be able to MAKE your opponent fight you where you are the strongest and in relation they are the weakest. You cannot do that if you cannot stop someone from taking you down and controlling you.

  • @villemattila2248
    @villemattila2248 27 дней назад

    Once someone who's leagues beyond you in wrestling capability grabs a part of your body you might just enjoy the ride. Then again if someone is a really good striker you just fall asleep if they catch you. Unless they're out to break limbs or something, pick fight with wrestlers: less CTE unless you get slammed noggin first into concrete.

  • @hongkongkev3941
    @hongkongkev3941 Месяц назад +1

    Learn BJJ for sure, but if we are talking about fighting.
    BJJ alone is not enough. You have to learn to strike.
    Get the basics of each, striking and grappling.
    Then, focus on what you enjoy the most.
    Then you have the skills to fight.
    Comparing BJJ vs. Boxing is an old foolish argument.
    Especially because modern BJJ is more a sport nowadays. It's not practical for fighting unless you actually train to fight.

  • @BackwardsJohnsCreations
    @BackwardsJohnsCreations Месяц назад +4

    I‘m not a sheep. Did I do it right?

  • @paparadeliko
    @paparadeliko 29 дней назад

    the message is correct. not about bjj. but about grappling in general. your wrestling must be on point too

  • @FreddieEl
    @FreddieEl Месяц назад +4

    just butt scoot....their hands don't work the same sitting down

  • @GenZ99-p7u
    @GenZ99-p7u Месяц назад

    Jou jitsu generally sucks at takedowns. They will get rocked and lose all their skill.

  • @theguycisterninoyelledat6272
    @theguycisterninoyelledat6272 Месяц назад +14

    sorry but this only applies to wrestling, jiu jistu has the worst takedown game of any grappling sport, boxing has better takedown game and you can't even grapple.

    • @steelekratos4834
      @steelekratos4834 Месяц назад +5

      He doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, the dude is just as bad as Joe Rogan with this joke jitsu

    • @grahamhill676
      @grahamhill676 Месяц назад +1

      Judo is far superior in self defence situations. Then its probably wrestling.
      I still think a lot of wrestling relies on the mat cushioning you and the safety of a controlled environment because it's pretty risky shooting on concrete where there could also be sharps etc on the floor.
      Meanwhile judo you're just trying to smash them onto the floor as quickly and powerfully as possible, control be damned, which is why it has such high injury rates.
      Something we can all agree on is that jiu jitsu is the weakest grappling style for takedowns. Boxing is even better for achieving a takedown lmao.

    • @steelekratos4834
      @steelekratos4834 Месяц назад +2

      @@grahamhill676 I agree with joke jitsu being the weakest

    • @plant_leaf
      @plant_leaf Месяц назад +1

      Jocko just has an inferiority complex of other combat sports athletes. His coping mechanism against every martial art is "Yeah I know u can box, wrestle etc, but i will just submit u on the ground"

    • @nomoreliberties
      @nomoreliberties Месяц назад

      Has anyone here rolled with or trained with jocko or any world champion in BJJ? Oh i know the answer NO. Ya jits has its limitations like everything does. But BJJ is a super power to those that dont have it. You simply only need to train a while to know what not to do or play into bjj game. If you don't have that at least to fall back onto your art, then you will be easily choked out or rapped out time and time again. Period

  • @tranhoanghieu4576
    @tranhoanghieu4576 Месяц назад

    The best is to not start the fight at all, be honest, you are not likely to be in any street fight . Boxing just feed my ego and make me looking for a fight intead of avoiding it

  • @Manolo-d3r
    @Manolo-d3r 25 дней назад

    If the boxer hits you first he will smash your face 😂😂!!

  • @Pifagorass
    @Pifagorass Месяц назад

    Boxing 🥊 is weak against karate or BJJ, but combine, boxing, Shinkiokushin, and BJJ and you have no weapons combatant ❤

    • @wambokodavid7109
      @wambokodavid7109 27 дней назад +1

      😂😂😂karate???this isn't anime friend

  • @tomastelensky-vlog8723
    @tomastelensky-vlog8723 Месяц назад +3

    Thumbs down just for the pathetic begging at the end.

  • @covingtoncreek
    @covingtoncreek Месяц назад +1

    Much respect!!! But.... ain't no 10 out of 10 in life. No such thing.

  • @bigspeaker4250
    @bigspeaker4250 25 дней назад

    What are you gonna do, BJJ guys? Sit down on concrete and start booty scooting towards your opponent? Even if you do a little bit of wrestling on no-gi classes, everything changes once there’s strikes involved. Boxing + wrestling or judo all the wayyyyy

  • @JosephAllen-d2e
    @JosephAllen-d2e Месяц назад

    And jiu-jitsuist is weak against fencing. Plus when youre trying to cripple peoples limbs or choke them to death you are giving them justification to escalate to lethal force.

  • @bobfaam5215
    @bobfaam5215 29 дней назад

    Catch wrestling is much better than Jiu Jitsu

  • @cinimatics
    @cinimatics 28 дней назад

    Dude this opinion went out of style like 12 years ago.
    You'd think if anyone understood the value of being well rounded it would be log man.
    I'm not surprised though.

  • @giorgiociaravolol1998
    @giorgiociaravolol1998 Месяц назад

    Now tell that to guys like Tyson or Bivol

  • @stevebb2915
    @stevebb2915 Месяц назад

    this is what BJJ looks like when it really kicks off
    ruclips.net/video/Vy3i1sSPerY/видео.html

  • @royalrebel9829
    @royalrebel9829 28 дней назад

    U can still lose on the ground 😂

  • @davestorm8819
    @davestorm8819 19 дней назад

    I respect this dude but it just shows how wrong he is about self defense and martial as a whole anytime he brings it up. Espescially considering how he's former navy? Most people who ONLY practice jiu jitsu have never been hit in their life and it shows. It's a whole different level of delusion on its own. Trust me when I say this. Your jiu jitsu is great... Until you start getting rocked on the chin. Be real now 😂

  • @stevebb2915
    @stevebb2915 Месяц назад

    BJJ is one big gay bar

  • @tarkovtxusa6626
    @tarkovtxusa6626 Месяц назад +2

    40 years ago, as kids, the "boxers" and streetfighters learned early on not to mess with the wrestlers and judo/ju jutsu practitioners. They simply couldn't hurt us. It was kinda fun to hold them down in positions they couldn't escape/trying to escape would hurt a lot.

    • @theguycisterninoyelledat6272
      @theguycisterninoyelledat6272 Месяц назад +1

      some I doubt this completely

    • @Reypstraptor4269
      @Reypstraptor4269 Месяц назад

      Its not about one on one fighting dude, then its obviously BOTH(MMA)>Grapling>Striking. In self defence MMA>Wrestling>MuayThai>Kickboxing>Boxing>BJJ.

    • @tarkovtxusa6626
      @tarkovtxusa6626 Месяц назад +1

      @@Reypstraptor4269 That's true today, but 35 years ago when I was a teenager, few people knew any martial arts. If you studied boxing, karate, judo, ju jutsu, TKD, really anything, you were better off than 90+ percent of young people and would usually win a fight. As a kid, I took karate, judo and ju jutsu and I wrestled. I was smaller than most other kids and this helped me tremendously.
      Today, as a parent, my guess is that at least half the kids locally in the suburbs of Dallas, Texas have some type of martial arts training.
      Then again, at the end of the day, a sucker punch from a hard hitter with fast hands defeats all LOL.
      Cheers!

  • @nomoreliberties
    @nomoreliberties Месяц назад

    @steelekratos ​​⁠i will address the other more narrated comment later. To this point khabib is a livinf God amongst us. An energy needed to counterbalance all that greedy chasing money conner shit talking style. Allah or God righteously inserted a khabib where he needed to be in all of our lives. I feel so strongly about khabib that i would easily give my life in service of him being able to just be the example he is in our world. I minored in ME studies and am bot ignorant to the history of Islam and the Prophet, "insert that like any muslim says about allah and the prophet" And to any muslim you speak to we are all muslims. While i can respect that, and i am not saying i am an unbeliever, definitely not a gentile, i feel I need to connect with Jesus as a shitty buddhist/toaist/wannabe shaolin monk! But khabibs perfection on gods level to control each aspect if grappling makes him such a fucking GOD! Yes someone who pushes rhe envelope striking with enough of a background and capabilities could have squashed khabib. Other than that, that perfection of grappling, take downs, control, base, submissions was just breath taking! Something no doubt bestowed upon him by the highest power in the universe!

  • @313-Badr
    @313-Badr Месяц назад

    Alex perrieria , Nganou . Snm sssh

  • @h-k7804
    @h-k7804 27 дней назад

    Blablablabla