Joanne Dennehy: The Making of a Serial Killer | Real Crime
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I'm not suprised she didn't say much during her interview - the police used a female to interview her. She's narcissistic and believes she can manipulate men. The police should've used that to their advantage and put a handsome male interviewer in there and I do believe she would've talked more in an attempt to "show off" to him.
Assuming her "magic" worked because she knew how to create attraction, you could just us a really handsome gay dude. But the real reason probably had to do with her working harder to decieve men because that was her narcissistic feed. She showed that she could damage and manipulate women in her early youth even.
Create attraction?
Would you say that about a man who is narcissistic? That they should have used a woman police officer to interrogate him and since they didn't, they weren't thinking smart? Think how many more women detectives there would be!
I agree, I think that was a bad move. I'm pretty sure she would have continued her sick performance and provided a lot more information.
So she was probably a mix of neglected and used and briefcase l neglected?? That equals sociopath
The family that raised her is hiding something from us! That's why they wrote a letter instead of g for an interview. A sweet, smart girl doesn't just run away from home at 15 and start living with an older man, and grow up having twisted sexual behavior and unstable emotions unless something happened in her childhood. My suspicion is that a certain man in her early life was the cause of all these
Exactly
Absolutely!!!!
or a woman
The parents knew how she really was
yes they do....iv seen it firsthand! all raised exactly the same in loving stable great homes n one is born with their frontal lobes of their brains not developed n therefore psycho NO MATTER how much love they are shown n given!!! think ted bundy! he MOCKS ppl for thinking his kind loving mom n dad n siblings are to blame...he said he has always been diff but just pretended n acted like them until he was older n more confident to be his inner violent self. dont go blaming innocent ppl without knowledge!!!
Thumbnail: "HOW A CHILD TURNS INTO A MONSTER."
45:00: "No one can say exactly what turned that sweet young girl into a tear away teen and then, ultimately, a twisted killer." Saved you 45 minutes.
Hahaha! Your comment reminds me of that Family Guy episode that mentions Citizen Kane.
Brian (in court, under oath): I rented those for Peter! He got banned from the video store for taping over their movies!"
[Flashback to married couple watching Citizen Kane]
"Rosebud..."
Peter: "It's his sled! It was his sled from when he was a kid! There! I just saved you two long, boobless hours!"
Ha. Saved me 24 mins. Glad I went to the comments thinking "when are they going to get to the point?" Lol
I'm sure she was never sweet, one is born a psychopath.
I wish I read this before listening to her sick horrible deeds. Some people are cruel. Knew that. I was hoping for answers not clickbait
@@angelatoledo6719 Most psychopaths are walking among us and never kill. She has instability and anti-social tendencies and that's more indicative of adverse events (something in her life or environment, head injury, substance abuse, combination of factors, etc.).
Sounded like they were going to investigate her childhood. A letter from the family blaming her kids’ father isn’t sufficient. There was no talk about the people who raised her.
I kept saying the same thing.
Well ok I’m sitting here thinking 🤔 did I miss it I want to know how she was in that picture holding her baby. Was there signs then or no ?? How was she as a child??
They DID say stuff aboit her childhood. They said she used to run around, do drugs, drink, threatened some people with knives, ran away from home. Go to the middle of the video and listen again.
@@dontworryaboutit4255Yes they did but that hardly constitutes an investigation.
@@dontworryaboutit4255. Yeah, a couple of comments from school mates is not “the making of a serial killer” this was BS .
A person who has nothing to lose and is not afraid to die is the most dangerous person...
Unless she runs into somebody who cares even less than she does, then she has a problem!
Sounds like radical Islamists who also say death is martyrdom & a ticket to “Paradise.” They sell their human shield civilian population on this propaganda… fueled by hate not virtue.
No soul
politicians..
I would argue that someone who has everything and doesn't want to die, is far more dangerous.
The former may be more reckless, but the latter has more skin in the game, as it were
I can’t be the only one who finds this whole “she was so seductive” thing entirely weird
You most certainly aren't. Anyone with a face tattoo gives off such a huge red flag that I can't imagine so many people fail to be suspicious of any attempt at seductive behaviour.
FR.. like she wasnt just seductive, she was a manipulator and abuser. she manipulated and hurt anyone of every gender and age
With or without the face tattoo, she's only mildly attractive.
She looks like man!
That’s what I was thinking. She looks used up and much older than her age even as a teenager
Doesn't she meet the definition of spree killer rather than serial? Her mentality is a lot more like the various spree killers than any serial killer, and her murders have no "cooling off" between them.
I agree. Here in the U.S. that’s how she’s be categorized.
I was thinking the same thing...
I suspect that she is really both a spree and serial killer...
Yes. Definitely spree not serial.
Yes, she is a spree Killer by Definition. Not a Serial Killer.
That lady who casually described pulling a hammer put of her bag......i was never ready 😂😂😂
Good for her - she knew how to handle the situation: Many times, killer individuals are, intrinsically, cowards. They, many times, get others to help them with their crimes.
She's hardcore! Carla needs to run women's self-defense seminars.
Hammer girl has it down
She just happened to have one ready😂 that caught me too...but she backed her down and she knew not to fck with her anymore,a bullys worst nightmare...just a tap on the cheek with a hammer😅
And…tapped the hammer on her cheek!
would be interested in hearing what her sister's experience was actually like with her
That sister doesn't look comfortable in that photo and I find Joanne already pretty terrifying in that early photo. You feel that way too?
I suspect that Joanne is one of the relatively rare cases of someone who is born with psychopathy.
But her family likely pretended nothing was wrong. What could they have done that would have made a difference? Nothing, likely.
@@angelinasourenall depends as everyone reacts differently to trauma and abuse. Obviously her sister was either able to avoid the abuse and resulting trauma or was better able to deal with the abuse.
@@sarahalderman3126what abuse are you talking about? You literally made up some abuse and tried to state it as if were a fact. Yikes! That's ridiculous and disgusting as well. She wasn't abused. She's just evil.
I thought you will dig into her childhood. This is not what you promised to produce.
Ty for saving me the time
It is impossible when the family is not willing to tell any details.
They did though? You obviously didn't watch the whole video.
Well just read the comments, there seems to be loads of "psychologists" here that can tell you all about her just by watching this documentary...
@@jaripekkajekunen2713I'm a lot into the issue as I've been exposed to Narcissists from early childhood. The abuse caused me CPTSD and lifelong horrible physical and emotional pain. I never knew why I suffered because the abuse was invisible. Only since knowing about Narcissistic abuse, I am able to put stuff into words. I'm not a Psychologist, it's even "better"- I'm an aware survivor. None of my abuser has ever been diagnosed, btw. My brother is and he told me about my father having NPD
Whether or not she became a murderer the 21-year-old adult man should NOT have been with a 15-year-old child and the way he refused to accept accountability for being a predator is insane to me. "I did the right thing" insane
Did he mean he did the right thing by leaving her after he & the 2 babies saw her throw the knife? I think creative editing does get the blood boiling.
I wouldn't want any 15 year old being g with a 21 year old, it's just wrong. That said, the mental age gap is pretty much on par, with some 15 year old girls even more mature than the guys.
I had a friend who had a situation in her family which dings me here. Her parents forced her 16yo sister to marry the man in his 30s who got her pregnant after they met when she was a runaway. She, my friend, said "I will never understand why they set up my sister and my nibbling who came out of that abusive marriage for failure."
After that marriage failed, her sister went on to destroy her life even further and is still a mess. Her nibbling, despite every effort on the part of my friend and her family also is a broken person.
When adults help their children make bad life choices the parents have no excuses for the issues that come of it. I know, personally, as I was neglected and abused in multiple ways, about how bad parenting can make broken people.
He should have been prosecuted.
Around 1972 my mom was 15 and my dad was 24. He came home from the war and got my mom pregnant. So, they got married, bought a house, and had me and my brother. We were a family. Me and my brother went to school. My mom stayed at home to care for us. She was a Cub Scout den mother and took us, along with the rest of the troop, on all kinds of adventures. My dad worked a good blue collar job to support us.
All of this was done out in the open. No one said anything. Law enforcement didn’t involve themselves in our lives. And thank God! Back then we didn’t have people like you to “save” me by ripping my family apart.
What is missing is the first 15 years of her life.
Most likely a victim of s.r.a.
I agree. There is NO WAY she had a "normal" life and turned at 15. It happened in the first 5 years of her life.
@@Grateful4Grace777 her father was a Corrections Officer at a prison. Another clue.
Also missing is prenatal trauma... what she the product of a brutal rape? All criminal investigations need to start with circumstances of conception & gestation, and include birth trauma; such as a male obstetrician brutalizing & humiliating her at birth (incredibly common). Prenatal/Primal Period (conception through first year) experiences construct the blueprints of a personality, and lay the foundations of attitudes, coping strategies, and behavior-influence mechanisms at the core level.
The serial killer Glen Rogers family history is the best example I have found of this... his family/older siblings revealed what took place around his conception, gestation & birth, infancy & early childhood; hindsight is 20/20... unwanted conception, parents wanted @ discovery & were denied permission to abort him in pregnancy, raised as an unwanted child. Do you think that doesn't leave trauma imprints/complex PTSD in the deepest recesses of a Human Being? This aspect of Human development is still invisible to most people, which makes heinous behavior 'mysterious'; it's not mysterious whatsoever. Several videos appear on the WinterWatch dot net page about Glen Rogers, the family-focused one is the most revealing; his mother's denial is noteworthy.
This British woman had some sort of early or very early, heinous, and very influential trauma, totally ignored by all the "experts". Three quarters of a century of Pre-&Peri-Natal Psychology & Health research (Harry Harlow 1950s 'The Nature of Love'; James Prescott 1960s 'The Origins of Human Love and Violence' , etc. as cited there) coupled with past & current neurologic/brain science applied to the field clarifies this type of person's behavior patterns beyond doubt.
Hurt people hurt other people. The medical system is quite often injurious, including to the symbiotic-pair of Motherbaby; parental apathy, ambivalence, and hostility - be it emotional or physical or both - is always injurious at every stage in young Humans' development & life. Continuous emotional/physical withholding & applied traumas = complex trauma = distorted Human behaviors. The younger & smaller a Human is, the easier it is to hurt/harm & damage/maim that Human.
@@Dogsrule4realhow is that a clue? I’m confused
How anyone can kill another human being, that was not a threat to you, your family or an innocent person. I’ll never know.
Because we are not sadists...
Because that's what they like. Duh.
@@chickenlover657 got a point there. Still wonder where the wiring got crisscrossed.
@@forgottenfurbabies3315 Your mistake is assuming everyone is born good or nice. Babies are innocent, but only while they're babies. Then character, temperament and outer influences blend. A psychopath is born, but a sociopath is grown.
@@chickenlover657 They are pretty much the same thing.
Why bullying MUST BE MET WITH SEVERE CONSEQUENCES. A) it leads to psycho behaviors because they've been enabled their whole childhood. B) it's high past time victims are PROTECTED - NOT BLAMED. We as a society enable bullies that often leads to deep hurt/child suicides/and even murder. We are as accountable for enabling bullies, dismissing of 'child behavior '.
Bullying may be a reason, but it’s not an excuse.
Indeed, and ESPECIALLY when it’s girls bullying boys/other girls it needs to be addressed as severely as any other form of bullying and not excused by „but she’s a girl“
@@conniemorgan8402Rather it’s a reason or an excuse bullying plays a tremendous part.
Yes, it's an issue, but what is the underlying reason for bullying? Why do children bully? Why do some children commit suicide because of it? Nothing will change unless you treat the disease, not just the symptoms. It all starts at home and with adult attachments.
Bullying is a mixture of crimes that have very different names in adult life: stalking, assault, harrassment, theft, SA, and others. It's just ignored because it's mostly kids. It must stop.
It’s fascinating how she’s been arrested for murder but isn’t handcuffed. If this happened in America she’d be cuffed & would probably have been tased
Yeah it’s so different from how they treat suspects in the United States
White privilege is very fascinating.
@@nfabre4445
White Privilege is a Myth..
😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂
@@nfabre4445 British police treat people of colour even more circumspectly, with kid gloves. All in the name of good multicultural relations. Which is why they failed to protect teenage girls groomed by Asian men for prostitution and human trafficking. It eventually became a notorious case in the UK, and a very disturbing one too.
@@nfabre4445 Asinine statement.
Nice summary, but I was expecting more of a deep dive into the life and history of this person.
I think something happened to her in childhood regarding a family member and that's why no one wanted to talk about it. Especially blaming the older man, who by all accounts it looks like the family accepted to have a relationship with her. I wouldn't be surprised to learn she was abused and manipulated by at least one male or even female family member and that changed her entire chemistry.
Your trying to find an excuse for all the evil she did. In your mind it's impossible for someone like her to be that evil for no reason so you assume it had to be someone hurt her someone touched her as a child. Lots of kids were touched and they dont become evil murders like her. Also there are many many murders who came from good homes and some came from money and yet they still became evil some people its in them to be evil even for no reasons and I believe she was just a crazy evil murder with no heart and no soul she loved it and it drove her to kill more and more and if she didn't get caught she would still be killing people. So there's no excuse for what she did no excuse what so ever she was just evil.
@@Seekthetruth.Dontfollowblindly I’m not making an excuse. I’m sharing my opinion based off what’s been presented in the documentary. Your opinion is yours and mine is mine.
@@Seekthetruth.DontfollowblindlyUnderstanding why someone did something is not the same as excusing the behavior. Understanding the backgrounds of serial killers can help us catch other serial killers through profiling. It can also help us, as a society, reduce these kinds of violent criminals. You're right, most people with a traumatic don't behave like this, but there are certain factors and traumas that increase the likelihood someone will behave like this. Knowing what those are is beneficial.
@@cmay7429agree. But trust me, some persons are born that way. Maybe pregnancies, and hormonal changes also agravated her brain chemistry for worse.. we have to consider all factors.
Why did we have to watch you walk in the police station? 😂 dramatic much
I have worked with a couple of bullies and found that standing your ground and challenging them they often back down . They seem to want to have control over others by instilling fear, but fighting back is something they dont expect you to do.
I don’t think she was just a bully and I don’t think that, had anyone gone up against her in secondary school, it would’ve guaranteed any backing down but more a challenge. Bullies are often millimeters away from whatever pain they’re enduring and projecting onto others…this person was completely wired differently. She did not have the same mental functioning, the same physical brain makeup as most any other person, if I were to speculate. There are various centers of the brain that, in functioning with all others, are thought to be the areas where certain human characteristics derive from. Like, empathy, remorse, curiosity, fear…and in what studies have gotten as far, have shown literal physical differences in people where their behaviors show a lack of these things. Her brain was not your typical bully makeup IMO. I think it either takes a great deal of trauma or it takes a very atypical brain from whatever starting point in whatever stage of it maturing and integrating, in order to be capable of doing such heinous things with such ease and carelessness.
This story did not dig deep enough into her earliest life to really uncover her psychopathy. Something happened to her to cause the rage and hatred for men. It didn't start from her being a "girly girl". The film even stated her parents did not want to be shown or talk about her early life except to say she had a good upbringing. That's clearly a lie.
Research brain anomalies in psychopaths. You will find that many have as perfect a childhood as is possible, but hold an unexplainable evil streak. The evidence is right there in the brain scan.
There is only so much a reporter can dig up when the family is unwilling to share. Reporters have no legal rights to 'get info'. If the police never investigated the home, then there is no trace the reporter could even follow.
Why clearly a lie? Is that impossible? I don't think so.
@@l.w.paradis2108 Well, if they admit they abused the girl, they might go to jail or at least get social disadvantages in their neighborhood. They had all to lose and nothing to gain by admitting the crime.
@@cayenigma You're assuming there was a crime committed by her family. If they would say she had a "good upbringing" if she did have a good upbringing, and if they would make the very same claim even if she didn't have a good upbringing, _then we can conclude nothing at all based on their claim._ We can't conclude that it's necessarily a lie, and we can't assume that it isn't.
What a joke, she is at the police station for murder but she's not handcuffed!
Yeah we do things differently here in America. Crazy she's not handcuffed
What is she going to do without weapons? She's just a woman. She's soft, silly, and weak.
I wonder if they were kind of hoping she'd try to escape so they had a good excuse....
White privilege isn't a joke.
Well, she is a woman and.. white too.
#1- she was never a "sweet, young girl" as per testimony of friends and schoolmates
#2- her psychopathology begins very early on with small acts of bullying and hurting random small children in playgrounds and escalates
#3- she was clearly born like this
She was a "sweet, young girl"....
Meanwhile, Trayvon Martin was a sweet, young Black boy, who was never arrested...and was wrongfully shot in 2012.
@1 And you really think no innocent white people have ever been wrongfully executed? History is full of such examples, my friend. And it's tragic and awful regardless of the innocent person's skin colour.
She's was actually a Sociopath, rather than a Psychopath!
@@adu1991 Don’t see your point here at all.
@tamiewert80 no, she was a psychopath.
People worrying about her ability to flirt and charm policemen while being a cold blooded murderer yet they never seem worried about those policemen. What caliber of men would be attracted or flattered by her? Stop and think about that!
Frankly, i would not want to associate with a man or men who would have even a fraction of a split second of consideration for her.
If you knew a few Police Officers you would know that they are trained to let suspects go on particularly when there is a recording of what they said. That allows people like her to convict themselves with their own ego. So instead of the officer being played by the psycho bitch they are playing her into the camera. This saves the court a lot of resources and having to deal with her appeals....
I agree! What's wrong with everyone? Duh! 🙄 They shouldn't be cops anymore seeing how weak they are.
I think her "charm" is overstated. The men she attracted had a lot of the same tendencies, and I think it was more a case of like with like. She's certainly domineering but the guys she associated with seem to use that after the fact to avoid responsibility.
would you associate with a lesbian who kind of needs her ngl
Two men could have stopped her
I wish you hadn't referred to the dog as "her new dog" it was never her dog. It was her victim's dog.
She took it, hence it is now her's.
I was just hoping that she didn’t hurt the dog.
@@sarahalderman3126 Do you think the year is 24,000 BC?
@@anthonyhiscox nah dude it's just reality. Who had the dog? Who did not have the dog? Pretty simple imo.
So if i take your wallet...is it mine now? I mean, you wont have it, & i will, what about anything, can i take anything of yours & call it mine,i think ill continue to refer to thievery as it is...stealing 😂@sarahalderman3126
To those who have revealed that this video DOES NOT analyse the person’s childhood, much thanks. I’m not watching it. It’s a waste of time just going through 45 minutes of detail that shows nothing of the way this killer was raised as a child.
"What made her turn from that sweet, loving child [into...]" Uh... maybe because she wasn't? She _played_ one.
Exactly, those of us who have a parent and / or sibling with a personality disorder realize that she was never a nice person, she just played one on TV...
@@davidhollenshead4892 This information has been available for years and yet people have to discover it for themselves. Yes, many get stuck with a freak sibling or parent who holds the whole family hostage. Nobody says anything until there is a horrible crime that cannot be ignored!
I doubt it. You can see from her eyes as a child that she was a sweet kid at the time that photo was taken.
Agreed - Psychopathy is a "lifestyle", not a disease.
I like how you characterized psychopaths - they play a normal person on tv"!
@@vaska1999 seriously? I don’t see that at all, I see a demon behind a “shadow” of sweetness.
How horribly sad to see these men in different circumstances where you can clearly see their sweetness and how their loved ones must have loved him! How tragic. It’s absolutely heartbreaking!
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😂 the parents blam a man (absolutely at 21 should not have been with a 15 yr old and deserves consequences) for EVERYTHING saying she changed completely from a bookworm and "girly girl" yet we see 5 min before her friend talking about smoking and drinking by age 14 so clearly she was not what they are saying before the man.
That's completely believable at that age, especially when the girl gets into a relationship with a grown adult preying on her inexperience. The exact thing happened to me. At 13 I was still acting like a kid. At 14 I was smoking, drinking, had a job and had completely changed. Plenty of kids I knew had huge changes right at that age. At 14/15 if you're still acting like a little kid other people would be looking at you weird. Just another reason this guy is a POS pedo. All he did was deflect the entire time trying to make her look as bad as possible to get the attention off talking about what he did wrong.
Her family was either delusional or blind or the cause.
Her family has nothing at all to do with her actions. She left home at 15. Her actions are hers and hers alone.
I agree . There could be abuse and betrayal by the family. But not every abused child turns into a dangerous serial killer.
Parents were negligent. If you ignore a problem, it doesn't go away. These parents knew their daughter was a bully and hateful towards others because she would have demostrated this behaviour to them. They simply checked out on her.
@@megansmith138215 years she spent at home that could've helped her
they raised the thing@@megansmith1382
The way she started reeling in the officer at the end was just spine chilling. And he partially fell for it to be honest.
that just shows that he is one of those that abuses his power and has probably abused those he is in charge of
Right? When he leaned forward onto the counter in a relaxed stance, almost like at a bar, you could see the slightest smile from her, as though she knew she was gaining control over him.
@@whitefreeman5798????
He is weak and cowardly. He's not a man. Real cop wouldn't even think of taking the bait..
@@whitefreeman5798 or that he's just a loser who's a sucker for compliments and any woman's approval.
Something fishy about her perfect childhood.... something missing...
No one has a perfect childhood. I suspect she was very good at duping people. I suspect the signs were there. Her former classmates have stated that she was a bully and they were afraid of her. She enjoyed telling people to kill themselves and terrorizing them
Could be. But it is just as possible that her childhood was really good and she is simply one of those people who are evil by nature, like Putin, for example. All these evil people are known to have been manipulative, brutal and evil even as small children and over the years this behaviour and desire for evil grows even further. They feel superior to everyone and take pleasure in torturing and executing. It is evil in its worst and most insane form.
Psyhopaths can have any type pf childhood, its not related. Dont blame parents for a psycho murderer. Thats on her 100%
@@HelenaBoutel You don't know that.
@@HelenaBoutelExactly.
Psychopathy is a condition from early childhood or even birth. Not all psychopaths are killers.
Most are not,and are in good control of their impulsive behavior, but if something triggers them it can result in a crime
Looks more like drug dealing and most likely she was abused by someone as a toddler and even after that
don't call it her "new dog" 😭so horrifying
What’s fascinating about Johann Dennehey is the fact that while using her “femininity” (I use that word loosely) to get men to trust her or let their guard down, she kills like a man would!
Willing to kill at random, Uses a knife, somewhat sadistic with a sexual component, & she’s definitely the dominant in the duo!
She’s a cold as they come. No remorse. She’s often lied about her childhood to psychologists who’ve treated her as well as some friends. Clearly a manipulation tactic. I read that she’s even threatened Rose West ? 1 of the other 2 women who was given a life term, with no parole tariff.
There aren’t many female killers like Johann. She’s even in the realm of psychopath!
Edit: I’m sorry but I had to add, I have a lot of respect for John to have that answer for the “journalist”!
Without missing a beat he said she’s a donor not my childrens mother! Which is true! She’s clearly not an Advocate on the Death Penalty and that’s fine to each their own but she shouldn’t be trying to guilt him because he still believes it should be in effect in Britain!
You have respect for a grown man that took advantage of a literal child and did not spend a day in jail? Who is now focused on talking about how she's terrible so he doesn't have to explain his disgusting actions?
@@kltil5082
“HIS Disgusting Actions”??
🙄 Only in today’s society would someone NOT call the murderer, the criminal “disgusting”!!!!
She wasn’t a child. She was a teenager, in the U.K. 16 is leagal.
And even still the majority of young women & girls like older boys or men. This isn’t a modern idea or trend. It’s only trendy now to call the girl the victim! Even when she’s not!
For parents to say in the letter “that by her early teens butter wouldn’t Melt in her mouth” is a sign that they saw JD as being cold as ice.🥶 it would be so difficult for a family to have a sister or child like this and emotionally survive JDs carnage. They are most likely surviving through a denial of any part they played and blame JDs bad associations.
It actually means she was very sweet.
@@amberspaulding No, the idiom describes someone’s demeanor as cold or a person who is seemingly laidback and chill but is actually mean and conniving. Now, the parents could have misunderstood the idiom and intended to communicate that she was sweet. We can’t be sure from what was included in this video.
@@alexwyatt2911 This was used to describe a cold and manipulating movie star "Butter wouldn't melt in her mouth or anyplace else."
Joanne, That woman was pure evil‼️‼️‼️‼️🤨 I feel sorry for the girls she threatened, but I am grateful they are still alive and never were hurt‼️‼️🫶🫶
Diminished capacity for remorse ?! You don’t say…
Stating the obvious!
If a male killer left home as a teen and shacked up with a 21 yo woman, would we be trying to blame the woman for turning him into a bad person? She was obviously a bad seed from birth, superficially charming, sadistic and cruel from a young age.
anyway that's still pedophilia
It would depend on the situation.
I've most definitely seen older women take advantage of younger men, and I lost a good friend to a woman 18 years his senior who introduced him to H and a whole world of hell.
There is where I think I will always disagree with your point of view, that anyone from a young age is a hopeless anything.
Psychopaths are BORN, not MADE. This had been proven through extensive medical research
I am a professor of clinical psychology psychopaths are born with empathy missing from their emotions it is noticrable by preschool age. If you show a young child a film of its mother wounded by even something small like a paper cut crying out in pain that child will be distressed... That is empathy. A child without emppathy may shoe curiodity but not empathy so this very possibly is a first indication of a psychological numbness. People with numbness crave stimulation and they msy do anything to get it. Imagine walking around your entirr life feeling unconnected to anyone their brain chemistry is different from ours that is nor an excuse for their behavior it is an explanation. We psychologists leave it to society to decide saht to do eith such people. @@bonlevina5621
Her eyes went from being bright, cheery and full of life to being cold, distant, and full of rebellious apathy.
The life she made for herself harden her.
Nah. Compare her eyes and smile to her sister's as children...you can see the cold expression. She was probably always a psychopath and even at that age was learning that smiling was a way to please the adults.
Terrifying. She should be kept in solitary confinement to protect the other prisoners and the guards. She should not be allowed to associate with people outside of prison. She is waiting for her chance to kill again, or convince another person to do it for her.
She is clearly a narcissist and psychopath, the police were just DUMB
Putting people in solitary confinement is a way to take a psychpath and made them completely deranged, insane and detatched from reality. That's a terrible idea
@@twistedxvengeance She was in solitary confinement for two years after they found her escape plan which included murdering a guard and cutting off their finger in order to get by the biometric scan portion of the security system.
@@alexwyatt2911omfg I know it’s not funny but wtf. WTF. wtf. WTF?!?! She is crazy!!! That is crazy. I spent 3 years in prison (not enough time to want to escape) but even if I had been given life escaping these days is hard but I bet you a million dollars she roped some sorry dork ass CO to help her.
Why she run away from home? They didn't tell us. It's an important question.
Totally
They clearly stated that she turned to things that she knew wouldn't be tolerated at home.
But what things!?
@@AMonikaDExactly, they didn't mentioned. No parent would let his 15 year old daughter to run away, it's not possible unless there's something really wrong.
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Getting suspended, drinking, smoking, experimenting with drugs, breaking curfew, & just being completely unruly at home! Combative ect..
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It’s absolutely possible.
See the post above 👆🏽
And in the U.K. Children at 16 are old enough to legally leave home and apply for their own housing
& anything else that requires and or helps to be legally on their own at 16!
Sometimes how a child was raised has nothing to do with their behavior: not abused or neglected; disciplined appropriately; loved and respected.
We don't know what causes a person's thoughts to become inexplicably dark and dangerous, resulting in violent behavior.
Often the home is the root of later bad behavior, but not always. Neither can we determine how children in abusive or neglectful homes, become responsible and contributing members of society.
Absolutely 💯
Some people want to leave the world in a better way than they knew, some people think they are the world and have zero empathy for the other "characters" that live in it.
Exactly.
Sad and truth.😢
you have absolutely no clue. opinion is not science
@HomeFromFarAway Evidence matters. We have evidence of the substantial influence of upbringing on future behavior. But we see some exceptions, where horribly abused children become decent, responsible adults.
This is NOT opinion. Research studies (science) have supported my assertion.
We know "what " happens but not conclusively, "why " it happens.
Exceptions change absolutes.
Round of applause for the dad saying she was a donor and doesnt want his kids associated with her he is definetly a great father protecting them from the mind of an evil woman
An example of how people get off on Power and one of the serious Issues within this world.
Exactly!!! It has it's roots in the past.
I don't think we will ever figure it out. The massive change they would need to happen for society, it would be akin to the agricultural revolution, or how the land is changed to manage water. We would need social workers to be the equivalent of smiths and engineers, every family would need a full time case worker, every child screened and monitored. A complete inversion of society to short towards a focus on society itself rather than economy. A world that will never happen. This we create and allow fertile ground for hard crime and pathology to not only form, but thrive.
I blame the French
A spree killer is NOT a serial killer.
You think she'd have stopped killing men if she'd not been arrested and sent to prison?
Lucy Letby is the fourth woman in the UK serving a life sentence.
That's wild!!!
Megan Markle will be the fifth..
It just goes to show how incredibly rare it is for women to be held accountable for their actions.
@@johnfisher7143 That a assumption.
Women are (normally) more emotional and do not commit crimes like that (which results in life incarnation).
Europe has a lenient criminal justice system
I was bullied, then joined the Army, and years later, I went to my home town and there she was, I said ok let's go now, I am no longer afraid, she walked away!! Lucky Michelle!! Do not get bullied by anyone, if you have fear report it to your Parents, Teachers, Friends, or the Police, that makes you the hero!
I felt a smidgen of sympathy for her ex until he took her back. Clown put his kids in the line of fire. Unbelievable
It's been found that psychopaths are born and not made. Sadly
Everyone here jumping on "something happened in her childhood...!" and it's just not true. Even Ted Bundy, and other serial killers, have admitted they had good parents, good childhoods. Sometimes people are indeed just born 'a bad person'. Often, however, criminality comes from drugs/alcohol addictions. And that, too, is a personal choice.
Ted Bundy had a horrific childhood.@@jessicahannah2522
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@@jessicahannah2522obviously you don't know the story of Ted Bundys childhood, and others
Actually, I do :D @@frodobeutlin1066
I can tell u how a sweet girl fr😢om a good home became a monster. Someone abused her and pretended to be a kind charismatic victim
Ted Bundy and other killers have all said they came from 'good homes' and had decent parents, with no traumas in their past. You have a hard time believing that bad people are just born that way, in spite of all the proof of just that? It's a modern thing to deflect all of our problems to other people, to shift blame from ourselves to others. It's just not true. Lot s of people have serious trauma in their past and grow into respectable, responsible, people. A persons character is defined by how they respond to traumas and take responsibility for their own paths in life. A bad character refuses to accept responsibility for their own choices in adulthood and whines about "my mommy was mean" or "I had TRAUMA". Well, guess what? Most humans in the world have trauma of some sort; yet very few are actually bad people. My own life story has been filmed and made into a documentary by CBS investigative reporter, so I do know what I'm talking about. I grew up a responsible, respectable person who made my own life choices in adulthood. I also know many others, personally, who grew up with horrid circumstances/events and are good people. Stop assuming someone else is responsible for peoples choices in life.
Wow. It amazes me when people pretend to know all about someone they have never met and do not have remotely enough information to make their judgments. What you say actually says nothing about her but a lot about you.
@@alwa6954 Yeah, it's totally unreasonable to assume that she was abused. Every internet expert knows full well that she was simply born like that! That judgment is of course absolutely fine to make and says nothing of the people who spout it.
I am a native English speaker yet I can barely understand what the man telling the story is saying lol
I understood very little of what he said.
I didn't get a word.
I had to put on closed caption. I’m American but it sounded like another language entirely. Even CC was like……..
Ah, Americans we don't travel much so actual English can sound foreign to us. It's kind of wild...
xD yes me too lol@@internalasskicks
Most definitely something happened in her family that had a hand in creating this monster.
Yep, biological as well as environment. Many say it’s not how you are raised and I agree it’s not that completely, it’s also mental health issues that run in a family. It’s both nature and nurture.
Could have been in her environment as well and she either never told the family OR they didn’t believe/help her
Why? People cannot accept that without having experienced something bad in the family or elsewhere, they have evil in them from childhood onward. They torment and manipulate others even in the early childhood years. There is evil and this woman is one example among many. Putin is also one of these zombies. He, too, has been power-hungry, brutal, manipulative and willing to walk over dead bodies since he was 5.
Yes, they didn't seek help for her. Even if there was no acute trauma, she had issues that they did nothing about.
I'm not a monster
The man who her parents Scapegoated is the most sensible one. Prayers to him. All her victims. And their loved ones.
What is interesting about this "documentary" is the lack of real questioning of her background. Also, there are numerous photos of her arms, in which her arms are covered in thick carotid scars, and yet nothing is mentioned about the fact that she's a CUTTER. Why? This could have been done much better, if focus had been made on the real question as to why she became this abnormal and rageful person. This video is all about good old fashioned BLAME. No inquiry into how people like this become this way. Disappointing. VERY disappointing.
Yes, the cutting is very telling.
What is a carotid scar?
@@jessicahannah2522 It is a raised, very large scar that is sometimes discolored, but they are very traumatic looking...
Isn't that a "KELOID" scar? @@The-Portland-Daily-Blink
@@jessicahannah2522You’re probably right… yes…
This is why you need to teach your kids how to treat people. Killing is not ok.
Unfortunately you can't teach a psychopath how to treat others.
@@megansmith1382pretending that it isn't about how she was raised is a lie and you all know it. This is a cop out for the evil people who ruined her childhood.
@@purecountry6672 Not when it comes to Psychopaths. Psychopaths are born. Narcissists and Sociopaths are raised. There's a difference. Could have been anything really.
Teaching does not work all the time. It's not that easy.
@Ahmet.Aslan85 It is that easy, and you are all lying to yourselves. I suppose you all think boys can be girls too? Labeling everything a disorder and making up fancy new names does not change reality.
Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made.
That’s scary!!!! I’m just glad the people who made it out alive, made it out alive and safely.
I can’t believe that guy is justifying having a relationship with a 15 year old!!!
To be honest, he was only 21.
I would guess that her family might have been relieved that she had an older man to keep her in check.
@@graememorris7820”only”?! That is an adult man messing around with a teenage girl. It’s unacceptable as well as illegal. By the way, the “older man to keep her in check” is supposed to be her _father_ not a creepy dude who groomed her.
@@graememorris7820ew wtf
What's amazing to me is that someone who appears to be relatively normal and grounded would have anything to do with that psychopath. Yes, I understand as they made clear she could be very charismatic and seductive towards men, that was part of her basic character but he was with her for ten years. It took that long to see that she was nothing but a cold and manipulative psychopath? That is what is important here, not that she was one birthday shy of being legally consenting. That barely registers and is not even relevant.
@@graememorris7820 Well if you watched the video you wouldn't need to guess. They were far from happy.
A grown man claiming that everything was alright when pursuing a minor and a family that consents to him is creepy.
And then creating children with her and saying he doesn't want them to do anything with her, while half of their DNA is from her...
I was thinking that too...why did he have 2 kids with her?
This is horrible. To understand the brain. I wish i could. Im sorry to the families she has hurt. 😥💔
Research
Excuse me?! I didn't hurt no one
I heard in another interview that the mother of " this " blaming the father of the kids for what "it" become .can you imagine
There is no chance her boyfriend wasn’t sleeping with her when she was 15.
Even if he was that doesn’t explain her being a bully as a kid and a nasty bully mother and later a murderer.
Of course, but all of these sleuths fall for the BS like gullible little children. Lol
In the picture of her as a child, I see trauma in her eyes and I think the damage was already done. I’d love to see pictures of her when she was preschool. The eyes very often tell a tale that you won’t ever hear.
Yes, look in a persons eyes to get a glimpse of trauma.
I see many traumas in eyes of human beings and children.
But they do not develope that way.
Maybe it is more complicated and genetics play a role also.
The little girl with those radiant blue eyes where rather cold and with a spark.
Later on, only cold eyes...
Certainly not everyone with trauma becomes a killer., but trauma can absolutely damage the way a children relate to other people and how they see themselves.
Really? You are going to accuse people of trauma because you looked in her eyes? I think what you saw was the eyes of a psychopath who has no normal empathic response towards people. You looked into the eyes of someone capable of killing someone and going about the rest of their day like nothing happened and really feeling like it wasn't important, even as a child.
You completely misunderstood the observation. I’ve dealt with some truly wicked people and I can’t say whether they were “born with scorched wiring” or decided they enjoyed it. I’ve also worked with people who were definitely traumatized and a measure of that trauma shows in their eyes. These are facts.
Have a nice day.
She is bone chilling to look at and listen to. You can see that she has no emotion at all for the children she gave birth to. Her crimes are shocking. I felt so bad for the dog walkers, and the DOGS who are so loyal to their owners. I'm sure they were traumatized by what happened to them, as well. Honestly, I expected the first guy she lived with to be a lot like her, but was surprised at how level headed he seemed. I'm glad he loves his children and keeps them far away from her. She is THE poster child for a psychopath.
I hope those guys that survived got their dogs back.
As a mother I'm concerned and my heart drops with those cases about safety and also parenting 😢
What an evil woman, she must have been possessed by the devil. How can a woman be so evil. Glad that justice was done, she must never be allowed to get out of prison, she'll always remain a danger to society. Thanks for sharing 👍👍
Psychopathy isn’t possession, you nitwit. 🤦🏻♀️
hmm no, that's not on the devil, that's on HER
Except the devil doesn't exist, is just part of Christian mythology. You will never understand anything by applying Dark Age nonsense. She is a psychopath who in incapable of feeling empathy towards people. That is why she can kill without remorse or care. It's a psychological condition, not possession. Seriously, we are not in the middle ages any more, we understand these things now.
This is the perfect example of why death sentence should be legal in the UK
What would that serve? Seriously, what would be accomplished by killing this person? Would it satisfy some blood-thirsty impulse in yourself? Because it wouldn't lead to less murders. The US has a murder rate about 5 times greater than the rate in the UK despite having the death penalty. In fact, states inside the US with the death penalty tend to have even higher murder rates than states without the death penalty. It does not deter murder, if anything it ratifies killing. The US also has more serial killers and definitely more mass shootings per capita. The death penalty does nothing to prevent these things, it might even exacerbate the message that killing is wrong.
This wouldn't even make the top 100 cases of why it should be legal to someone realistically looking at masses of cases. She went nuts and randomly killed 3 adults. There are hundreds of cases of children being tortured/SA'ed, then killed that would obviously be far worse than this. And no case should ever make it "legal" because the government having that power is wrong. Not because I care in any way about the lives of actual violent prisoners.
If the landlord used her to bully and threaten tenants, then I would say he was not too lovely.
Thanks! Psychopathy is not classified as a mental disorder.
Because some human being alike animals are just born so.. it isnot a disorder, it is the set of mind, design of brain.undeveloped brain parts..
They're neurologically different. They can actually see it in scans. This is what makes having children terrifying. No one knows if they'll give birth to a psychopath. They don't know what causes this.
@@saltycat662 just undeveloped .. as children brought up by animals.
That's exactly what it is. It is a personality disorder. You may be confusing it with mental illness, which is different from mental disorder.
@@saltycat662true. So I wonder if she passed on her defect to one of her children. Disturbing 😬. 🍻
I get that some professionals in the field research and go into the how’s and why’s of criminal behaviour. But frankly, I don’t care how and why she is the way she is. All I care about are her victims and that she’s never out in the streets to harm innocent people again. If people do even hurt you, you don’t have any right to take a life. Not that I think this is due to circumstance but that’s just who she is. Demonic.
EXACTLY 💯
She didn't decline, she was sadisic psychopath from the time she was born. She developed not declined. This is what she chose to be. This was her destiny and she wouldn't change it for the world.
I had to turn on closed captioning and still didn't understand everything that guy said. And some british sayings are just weird. I thought they meant she was "cold" when they said butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
We say it in south USA , means that someone acts really sweet when they knowingly have other intentions
@victoriawhite3662 oh really? I live in that part of the world and have never heard the saying.
The south is called the South, but there are many different parts of it. Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Kentucky are all part of the South, but they all have different slangs and terminologies. Just the way people are in their different communities.
@@sagefi1 yep lived here 50 years
What guy?
I'm glad that Gary Stretch keeps getting denied a reduced sentence. Also, that man that they interview who started a relationship with a 15-year-old Joanna is really, REALLY creepy. He keeps trying to justify his actions, takes no responsibility for his part in his actions, and comes across as a terrifying creep.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. Don't forget the end, where he says "I don't want my kids anything to do with that woman" - that's why he has a major part in this documentary with his real name and pictures from their shared past...
I agree, He's disgusting.
It's only a 6 year age difference, not such a big deal. Not that I would encourage being in a relation at such a young age but, in my opinion, better a stable relationship with a slightly older man (honestly, at 21 he was hardly more than a kid himself) than sleeping around with boys her age
Thank god he took the kids with him when he left.
Those boys have some difficult genes working in them though…
"thank god a grown man who everyone knows sleeps with minors took more minors with him"
So where is the investigation of her childhood, of those who influenced her psychopathic behavior? Psychos are rarely born that way. And geeze...what kind of journalist writes and then narrates "...and he kept himself to himself."
Lmmfao 😂
Those poor dogs. Hope they were adopted out after she was arrested 😢
Edit: I'm probably not a psychopath, but also very worried about the dog
dogs are better then people and are often treated worse then dirty clothes so your comment makes sense
Neither of the two men whom she last attacked passed away, so I imagine the dogs were returned to them.
Psychopaths wouldn't worry about the dogs, you're not one ❤
Their owners didn’t die! They could go home! Yay!
No, you would be classified as a empath (empathy), humanitarian, lover of animals. Basically you're a nice person who likes animals. Me too!
Her head shape changed so much, from round to very long.That's quite unusual.
100% the mother was not a warm or loving person and this affected her attachments and consequent relationships. Possibly sa as well
There are cases where death penalties would well apply.
Coming home for tea is coming home for dinner, right?
Yes, it is confusing for Americans.
I asked for tea over there, I got a meal.
I wanted only a cup of tea.
( because the coffee was horrible )
Wow. She was born to kill. This is just crazy!
If one isn't truly valued as a child they do not value others.
Hmm, not really an in depth investigation.
I had to google about the butter thing: "The phrase butter wouldn't melt in his mouth or butter wouldn't melt in her mouth describes someone who appears demure, innocent or sincere but is in fact unkind, devious or insincere. The idea is that the person in question is so calm, cool and collected that butter wouldn't even melt in his mouth."
This is the best coverage of this case I've seen.
I take exception to the reporter saying 'Joanne and her new dog'. No, it's not her new dog. It's one that she just stole from a stranger who she had left for dead. It's not a small thing to colour the story that way. Maybe the reporter admires what she did.
It's stated from the killer's perspective.
Talk about reaching
21:27 A picture say more than a thousand words. That picture gives me chills down the spine.
The one with her sister, too.
They said, "She had a magnetic pull. People were drawn to her." She must have been charming and charismatic like Ted Bundy because it definitely wasn't her looks that made people gravitate to her.
*Study these people, to the very limits of human rights law.* This opportunity cannot be allowed to slip away. She will never be released, nor executed. So, gain her cooperation to study her.
The family is lying their ass's off. No one turns out this way without having experienced serious abuse.
Sometimes people are born evil
Agree. People said she was relatively smart, so she could have figured out, herself, how to manipulate people, from an early age. I knew an individual very similar to her who knew how to manipulate others. She was just smart enough to not get herself in legal trouble, unlike this individual in this video. This individual that I knew, knew to "have someone else 'hold the knife for someone else' " as the saying goes...
Are you an expert or what
Some are born that way.
I knew many kids who where real evil.
The urge they have to hurt is just there. You allways see it in their eyes.
I also knew, that this children hurt dogs and other animals, if they could. Hurting/killing animals is just horrible, just because...
It is evil.
There are many people who are abused in ways, but do not turn into bullies, killers. In contrary.
But i know a lot of people, who are not good people.
In my eyes we are dangerous primates. With here and there some exceptions who are ok.
All children i know and adults who are evil have things in common.
You cannot teach them morals, empathy ( they only can fake it ).
Very manipulative.
Enjoying to hurt others.
Enjoying movies where others get hurt, killed, tortured, horror...
They do not like to be trapped ( relationships, kids, jobs, any situation where you have to be responsable...).
Cold eyes.
Supperficial.
They like mouse and cat games and looking in the eyes of the victim.
They love power, control.
Reckless.
Do not like stability.
The list goes on.
Drug dealers maybe
When the ex said she used to throw his kids in those areas where she ended up discarding those men 😮😮😮😮💔💔💔
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Some are born that way.
People do not like that idea..., but i know...
She gives me the 'shivers' and i know...
Met many people like her.
Had to study human behavior to just protect myself.
I was a magnet to this people, as a little child allready and they where kids too.
Adults the same.
They all have different behaviors in common.
Very cold eyes with a twist.
They also FEEL cold.
Your underbelly is very nervous around them.
No.
It is NOT because they are abused.
But, they can be abused of course.
They are cold and calculated allways and very selfish, enjoying hurting and overpowering and controling others.
Even as little kids.
Its a popular trend today to deflect any personal responsibility for our own actions and blame ANYONE else; namely family. Character is defined by how we handle our own lives, and many today have low character, or none.
25:47 The guy whom she lived with when she was 15, claiming that it was all “above board“ is a load of crap. All you need to do is look at the picture they took together, to see that they were intimate.
Agreed.
I can’t understand the guy telling the story… it sounds like he’s talking with a mouth full of gum balls. Subtitles, PLEASE!!
Shes a great example of how some are just born like this regardless of where they come from.
In which case, also doesn't discriminate to gender!
I agree. There are many cases to confirm your statement.
@@DarlnDarNot a lot of female representation in this field.
A comment I can agree with 100%.
I also feel John contributed to her wayward life.
I'm thinking 2 probs with Dennehy: Psychopathy and Borderline Personality Disorder.
Nice and stable homes, chaotic and abusive homes both produced serial killers. Maybe it's a matter of weakness...?? I find it's easier to be mean and kill your problems versus working with issues and overcoming personal problems. There are so many angles and theories on why we turn into the monsters or guardian angels. I'd like for people to understand that when you're turning into a careless, heartless individual you do it subtly it isn't usually a huge change immediately. Its a series of small escalating decisions, usually in the same pattern as a drug addict. I think we have barely scratched the surface of why people choose bad or good decisions it's hard to deduce imagination, attention, boredom, lying, manipulation, or appeasement. That's just the common reasons to hide a truthful answer. I can't imagine how flakey are psychological field is if you can't believe anyone.
Agreed - another person said, " Psychopathy is a lifestyle, not a disease." I so agree, and have seen it, via an individual that I, unfortunately, knew.
Interesting case, but it's hard for Americans to understand street Brits as they cut there words and sort of slur them. I could understand the police and narrator perfectly. The CC was also unable to accurately translate their words. Bummer.
Yes, well we Brits can’t understand a lot of Americans either….
@@dnr2089 A lot of a bad accents in both countries. Luckily both also have universally understandable people as well.
Mommy and Daddy always blamed someone else for her bad behavior, and let her do whatever she wanted to do.
Two 2L bottles of vodka A DAY? What?? 😮