Which Is Better - In-Ear or Stage Monitors?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2022
- In this video, we talk about some of the important things about both In-Ear Monitors and classic Stage Wedges that you need to know! Watch Now and decide!
Which Is Better - In-Ear or Stage Monitors?
This question has come up multiple times.
Is it better to have stage monitors? Or in-ear monitors?
I hate to say this this way as an "old school" singer, guitarist, and performer, but the truth is, it's a lot like asking the question: "Should John Henry continue to build the railroad with his bare hands, or could machines come along and do it a lot more efficiently and faster, with greater longevity and stamina?"
Because I'm an old school performer, I'd have to say nothing beats the feeling of the really loud sound pressure (volume) of your instrument peeling your face back with crazy power and authority with a great monitor system on the stage, side wedges (when you move side to side on the stage) and a massive PA system filling a room with energy.
And truth be told, it has taken me quite some time to adjust to the feeling of the disconnect I have when wearing in-ear monitors - compared to this 50,000-Watt sensation I have with loud stage monitors and a great PA.
But there are many give and takes to both sides.
In this video, I discuss these give and takes so you can make your own educated, informed decision.
I hope you find this video informative and helpful on your performing journey.
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As a FOH engineer of 20 years I would say this is mostly accurate. What I do if a band says they are going to have IEMs is grab a simple condenser like an AKG 214 and sit it back at the booth to blend in the room. It's honestly a secret weapon for any sound guy. I would say though that gaming a great sound guy is to your detriment because if you are half ass singing at sound check and I'm gain staging the compressor for that level then I'm going to half to redo the gain staging later when the compressor ends up receiving too much gain and now the vocals are entirely flat because the compressor is smashing the dynamics completely, not to mention the gain staging after that through the IEM mix. I would say just sing full blast so I can mix you correctly and do a full song sound check with full band to dial in changes to prevent major hearing loss or blowing out your expensive in ear drivers. Also do not be scared to ask your sound guy for compression and reverb in your IEM mix, you would be shocked at how many sound guys raw dog the unprocessed vocals in the IEM mix and It can be an absolute game changer to have your vocals cut through a thick mix. Most digital boards are completely capable of this. I still prefer wedges too because most sound guys don't blend a room mic in but I've had a couple that do and it's the missing link to a great live IEM performance mix. Very esoteric topic like you said haha
I actually had the same thought about the room mic while watching the video!
Excellent commentary Nick. Thank you
Exactly. I was a monitor engineer for some years and Nick is right. Don't try to fake out the mon Eng. Having to re-gain-stage durring the first tune isn't any good for anyone. If I don't get your full signal, and you suddenly send the channel red, you've just made it worse for yourself. And yes, if there's a comp on the channel and a limiter on the buss, you'll send gain reduction to a place where your actual volume is cut in half. Give me the full signal at sound check, and I'll be able to ring the boxes to get a LOT of gain before feedback. Also, the audience mics for in-ears works great. We would use a pair, one on either side on the down stage edge, and blend them in. Also, I have found that stereo ears work better than mono, as I can pan instruments, and basically give you the entire "center channel". I've found that this helps a lot.
I wish we plugged into a desk with a sound engineer - Unfortunately guitar players tend to keep turning up volume....to get ahead of the drummer who is playing as loud as he can and the bass player who helpfully asked me to sing louder - guitarists hate sound guys...as the singer I love them
I understand the disconnect from the audience, but in-ears have saved my voice time and time again.
I’ve only been using in ears for about 6 months but as a bassist having that kick straight in my ear makes locking in with drums so much easier
Would love to see you do more technical videos like this for all the live singers, producers, and sound people watching
I can say hands down in ear monitors. I feel far less vocal fatigue while wearing them and, like you said, I can get my pitch much more on point. I have a portable system that I split off the main microphone feed into my receiver. I never have to worry about bad wedges or no monitors when giving because of this. Other plus is it shields my ears from the outside noise. I don't feel a disconnect with my audience. In fact, I feel closer with them because I know I'm not blowing out my voice and hurting their eardrums lol
I love my in ears, I fought using them so many times in the past, but now I am used to them and I find that they help me a lot in hearing myself and not straining my voice over loud tube amps. I love my wedges, but I like hearing myself more, at least I know im singing in key, I have so much more control over myself with my in ears, I cant always control stage volume
Mostly I use In Ear only on the left Ear. That gives me the kick to hear the real sound but also the opportunity to hear myself very clear. I made good experience doing this also live on stage.
I’m about to start using them, I think I’m going to try that & see if that works
In ears with a condenser serving as an ambient mic. Put it right in front of you facing the audience. Wonderful!
Being a bass player and leading worship at our church, I went kicking and screaming to in-ears because I was so used to having an amp being behind me and feeling the bass as well as hearing it. But after I bought a good set with multiple drivers I love it plus we use ambient mics that allow you to get the feel of the room as well.
Love your channel!
The disconnection can be solved with audience/room mics.
So put the in-ears all the way in and protect your ears if you have a loud backline and use ekstra mics instead of gambling with your hearing.
Even worse is to have one all in one ear and almost out of the other.
Agree with the other comment: PLEASE DO MORE OF THESE SHORT TECHNICAL VIDEOS. Very valuable perspective - your experience as a veteran performer plus your vocal teaching expertise makes all the difference.
This actually helps A LOT!!! Thanks a BUNCH!!!
I'm Glad you finished with what you said...I always thought that. but you explained it better than most...thank you!
For singers is much prefer in-ears. If you want more contact with audience, use survey microphones directed to the hall. Works 100%
Switched most artists I worked with to in ears however still had sides and singer wedges just in case. The disconnect you feel I would run crowd mics and only feed the applause into the ears so they could hear the appreciation.
Have yet do do my first live show, but your wonderful on cam personality, and wisdom kept me watching till the end 🙌
You're great Ken!!!
Our band uses IE exclusively, we find that we get great sound quality and control with them. Since we play smaller venues, it makes setup easy, and we never are at the mercy of the stuff (good and bad) that the venue has available, if any. Getting a room feel is important, so we feed an aerial mic into the mix. I have custom IE’s that have a passthrough which allows room noise to enter into my ear canal which helps a ton as well.
This was very helpful. Thank you. Need to do more research before investing on either method. Again thank you.
Hey Ken! Often wondered why singers have different preferences? Thanks for this very informative vid. You're da man!🦻🔈🔉🔊😎
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Thank you Ken for your Wonderful Channel🎸🎵❤️🌅
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Ken you are the best! Keep being you and sharing your wisdom and the love of Christ with others. The world is a better place because of you.
As a guitar player, I've tried to avoid in-ears for exactly the reason you say - the connection with the audience. I know they're popular, but playing is about: connecting. I'll sacrifice accuracy and isolation for having the feel of the performance.
Rival Sons has both, and Jay messes with his in-ears back and forth throughout the entire show.
Really enjoying your videos, my friend!
I use IEMs now, but as a bassist.Having a iPad EQ I’m able to reduce the things I don’t need. I would imagine singing would be a different animal.
I've been a singer in a casino/wedding/event band for 15 years. That was my introduction to in-ears and I never went back. I feel the flexibility offered by using in-ears is unmatched. We can play almost any space with nearly zero stage volume with an electronic drum kit and a couple of Helixes and sound great. We can also be set up and ready to play a show in any venue without having to go through the time and energy of ringing out monitors for every member of the band and it also nearly eliminates the risk of feedback. In regards to performance, the ability to have complete control over my mix and the confidence that I am in tune and on beat with the music is so much better for me personally. The caveat is that it works best if everybody is using the monitors and is actively keeping their stage volume down. Thanks for the discussion. I've had many passionate discussions about this subject, and I love to hear people's thoughts...
Very good! Thanks!
I absolutely love inears! Been using them for over 20 years now, but I also find in some situations it can really mess with my pitch!
One of the main problems with "extremely loud wedges" is the inability to avoid microphone feedback (especially in smaller clubs). With the band packing a good punch, there are zero chances that a vocalist can win the 'loudness war' with other band members without running into feedback from their monitors. The use of in-ears allows singers to overcome this limitation in less-than-ideal conditions and get the levels of volume comfortable to them without the dreadful 'squeals' in the middle of the show.
Another good idea is to force the bass player to use DI instead of the live amp. This 'clears the stage' immensely and really removes muddiness from other mics on drums, guitars, and vocals.
What's DI? Pardon my ignorance :)
@@RhythmAddictedState Direct input, to line the bass
Wow this is for people to understand how these things work. Is a great insight as to what they are doing
Thank You Sir..
Wedges for me too preferably. I also prefer a wired mic. Thanks Ken.
Really helpful. Thanks.
Here in Canada there was a special on Rush's farewell tour. The techs were talking about how different Geddy was from Alex and Neil was totally different than both of them. Interesting topic!
I dont know very much about the equipment side of music. This video was really helpful, and maybe sometime soon you could do a video about the basic types of equipment somebody will have to invest in when doing things like recording, doing songs for RUclips or another platform, and live shows?
No experience with "in ear" but I will say this... if my stage sound is not good (to me), I just want to go home. I realize as a performer, what comes out of front to the audience is critical, but as a singer and keyboard player, I not only want to hear my instrument above all other instruments, at least at my location, I want to ENJOY what I am hearing, from my instrument AND from my voice. If there is any weird imbalance on stage, it is not only disappointing, annoying, and horribly DISTRACTING, it can actually effect one's ability to effectively perform at all. I always think, if I am not enjoying it, most likely, the crowd is not enjoying it either. My personal solution is to set up my own sound at my instrument location and let the sound man mike my speakers or line out. I have speakers for my keyboard, and separate speakers for my vocal, with effects. It's magical. Thanks for all the great information.
Good afternoon ken i hope you are doing well. Thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍✌️✌️✌️🤘🤘🤘
I'm 57 and have been performing live since I was a teenager (guitar, bass, keys, vocals, etc). For the last 26 years my main venue is in church where II've lead worship music ( typically real unshielded drums, bass, guitars, keys, multiple vocals). About 11 years ago we added IEM's with a separate digital monitor console and even set up a couple shotgun mics to hear the room/people. I got custom fitted for a nice pair of IEM's.
I quickly realized that I am in the camp Ken describes in this video. Maybe it's because I'm also old school and have acclimated to wedges and the compromises that they bring but with IEM's I feel such a disconnect with the people in the room that I almost can't do my job. I definitely sing better with IEM's and several people on my team prefer them (especially drummers and singers) but I love live music and that experience feels so fake to me that it's not worth it.
Unlike Ken, I'm at the point where I also keep my wedge fairly low in volume and keep the high pass filter up pretty high just so the FOH guys have an easier time. I've been doing this so long that I can do an entire set without any monitors if I need to.
I've also tried hybrid versions of this with one ear in but it wasn't healthy for my hearing. I've also used "ambient ear buds" that hover outside your ears to achieve something similar to what Ken talked about. Now I've pretty much given up on IEM's. If I have to, I can use them if I'm in the back playing bass and singing harmonies but if I'm in any way out front, I need to hear the room.
Very good sir. ❤❤🥰🥰thank you
Very interesting information!
Loved it
No this great... The technical aspect is important... Thank you!
ASI 3DME in ears. It fixes all the problems of IEMs. They have little mics on each ear piece and you can mix between your mixer sound and the room. It’s seriously unbelievable- like not wearing IEMs - just natural sound (and no I don’t have any affiliation to the company)
really helpful brother TY
awesome TIP..
In my band (a have a power trio and i play guitar and sing) i use (sometimes) the in ear (i have the EZD phone)..
It helps but sometimes is strange because you can hear the audience!
stage monitor are great but the feedbacks sometimes get in the way.
Thanks :)
Very useful information for singers who are starting to perform on stage with musical accompaniment. I'm old school too. Old beaten up wiretapping is enough...😆
Thank you, man! I've been wondering for a while... I used them once in Europe and got that Slap back you're talking about... had to dump them mid show because it kept screwing me up. I always thought a combo of the 2 might work. Much obliged.
Excellent advice!
The thing to consider with pulling out one in-ear monitor is you will eventually train your brain to change how you perceive pitch. The other thing is, the inserted IEM will sound less loud. The temptation will be to turn it up to compete with the sound arriving at the other ear, ultimately causing damage to the ear. The perception of volume will be skewed and eventually it will approach the threshold of pain quickly.
The other thing to consider is volume. If you listen to the majority of people singing pitchy with in ears it is because they are listening too loudly. They are singing Sharp. Those listening to softly will be singing flat. If you have wedges, and your monitor volume is around or about 85 decibels, the ear will be most linear frequency wise. Unfortunately, it's going to be hard to get a loud band to play quiet enough for that but if your guitarists are using modelers and amp Sims, then it shouldn't be that big of a battle.
The style of music is critical. Some artists like a “quiet stage” interestingly, a number of groups are not putting a backline of amplifier cabinets across the stage. Instead, instruments are sent to amplifiers and cabinets are mic’d back stage or under the stage and the sound goes to the board, is mixed, sent to the PA and in ears.
U2 and perhaps the most innovative were Rush.
Watch any live video on You Tube etc of a Nena (yes the 99 Luftballoons singer). She leads audiences of tens of thousands in sing along’s with her songs taking one in ear monitor out. I believe she also uses wedges. I notice she is constantly adjusting her in ear monitor volume while singing.
yup, thanks for the good idea ..
I've had the problem that I can barely hear myself over our drummer in the practice room for a long time. We've tried different wedges, passive and active, but despite it having gotten better, it's not gotten good. Trying to turn up the mic volume always leads to mad feedback. I will try in ears, maybe they'll solve the issue. Thanks for your advice Mr. Tamplin.
Balance between musicians is a must, before you go looking at monitors, etc. if you all play with dynamics/light and shade, things will improve for your vocals immediately. If your drummer just smashes the hell out of his drums throughout every song, it will never work.
@@deepzepp4176 Thank you for your input. He does beat his drums senseless. I'll have us talk about it, thanks.
Ken you are the best good Sir.
In-ears are important to reduce or eliminate long-term hearing damage. The problem of feeling disconnected to the audience can be solved with a pair of audience mics. Mix some of that into your monitor mix and the problem magically goes away. Also, mono in-ears can create an annoying, sterile, lifeless feeling. Go with a stereo monitor mix with in-ears if at all possible. Sounds awesome compared with floor wedges, IMHO.
I'd go with stage!
I cant use monitors and I believe it's something to do with my chemical imbalance. I have to hear the room. So my guitars has to keep monitors way over towards his side of stage same with bass. Our ears are funny. I suggest everyone get them professionally cleaned by ears eye throat doctor. Your so right you can loose your hearing. Rooms , arenas crowds all make a impact on sound. Nice to see you my friend hope all is well. Peace ✌
God bless ya!
This was helpful!
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Try running a room mic or even two to include in your in-ear mix, overcomes that "feeling like you're isolated or on tv thing."
Hi Ken, thanks for this video. I prefer wedge monitors too. I was wondering, do you use hearing protection, i.e. earplugs which reduce the decibel level but that don't muffle the sound too much? I believe there are ear plugs specifically designed for musicians these days which reduce decibels without messing up the sound you're hearing too much.
From all the musician interviews, and reaction and other videos done by musicians, just about all of them prefer the in ears. That seems to be the #1 thing that comes up when they are asked what from today that they most wish had been available years ago.
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Even if personally I will never see myself in that live-concert situation thanks again for the information Ken. Really valid.
My two cents: What about just putting cotton balls inside your ears? you can hear your voice resonating in your head 🙂
A great monitor engineer can make in ears excellent if he knows your voice and the mix you like.
Its all about FEEL GOOD FEQS for ME..I had to wear IEMs in TWO club bands using sequencers in late 90s , but will never do it again..I NEED to FEEL that CREAMY 250HZ from the Bass AND B3, that full bodied tone from the piano at 550HZ ,the 800HZ -1.5KHZ CRRRUNCH from gtr amps, the vocal SHEEEEN of havin that wet velvety WHISP of 4KHZ-7 KHZ. Takes MOVING AIR to light me up! Best drug in the world when the feqs of the sonic spectrum are playin nice together at 105 db !😎
I think Pete Thorn had a video on the latest developments of In-Ear monitors. I have done wedges for all my life but always with ear plugs as I have tinnitus. I would prefer IEM now.
New sub here. Good vid, thanks. Have you done one for singing into a microphone properly? That's one I really need help with.
I thought artist wear in ears to help hear themselves better, but they always end up taking one or both out halfway through a show or performance.
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Interesting understand Ken thanks for sharing on this topic know what you mean buddy
Thanks for watching!
My pleasure Ken
nice video. also you hear your own voice inside you, this modifies the EQ u r hearing as well, a really complex subject that u tackle Ken. There is a singer Luis Miguel that make crazy every sound engineer live cause he constantly change with a knob his monitor volume and make feedback moving the mic far and close. He fight with more than one
Stage monitors and ear protection
Wow, I never thought about that these in ear monitors would damage your hearing overtime. Good thing I don’t have any 😂
Lmao Ken Love this video you made me laugh when you said you would not sing as hard to get your levels. I use to do the same thing. I was laughing because I thought I was the only one who did that. I sang live for 25 yrs. 15 yrs of it monitor floor wedges and 10 of it in ear. they both have pros and cons to be honest but I will say this after singing 4 hrs of 80's bands sets I will take the in ear over the wedge. That wedge made me over sing every time. I do understand the wanting that loud sound though it took me forever to get use to them but I think the pros overdue the cons. I will suggest any new singer who is just starting to get there feet wet live use in ear because you will blow your voice out its almost a guarantee. we all have until you find that inner volume control I like to call it. man when you have 100 watt Marshall stacks and 100 watt bass cabs blowing at your back and a drummer playing the drums like he stole them that stage volume most of the time is brutal. be prepared is my advise because once you get on that rollercoaster there is no stopping until the end.
Once you dial in your IEM's you will never go back
I not only like them but rely on my in ear's using a Sure system.
I do the same thing Ken by deliberately singing at speech level or lower to trick the sound man LOL
Interesting not really performed professionally on stage no experience using in ears, however place where I sing karaoke the dj has RCF speakers and they sound good and can hear my voice quite well through them. But stage setup sound a bit more complex good tips there Ken!!
This man dropped nothing but wisdom after another. Really reminds me of my professor in school after my studio semester ended and we went on into live sound techniques and he elaborates so well with good character like you.
Dear Ken Tamplin, here's a request; can you do singers then and now videos on John Fogerty, Brian Johnson, Paul Rodgers, Miljenko Matijevic, and James Hetfield? And can you do replacement singers videos on Skid Row and who did it better; Sebastian Bach, Johnny Sollinger, ZP Theart, or Eric Grönwall? And can you do a replacement singers video on Alice in Chains and who did it better; Layne Staley or William Duvall?
Hi Ken, thanks for another great, really helpful video. I’ve been wanting to try out in-ears for quite some time to see how that works for me. You said in your video ”use good ones”, so I was wondering if you could point me in the direction of a few manufacturers that are worth checking out? I’m in Europe, so if I didn’t have to order from the US, and waste money on customs, that’d be fantastic. Cheers, and thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, much appreciated! 🙏
I personally bought a pair of these but I don't think people are going to want to spend this kind of money. But these worked incredibly well:
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Fourte--64-audio-fourte-4-driver-universal-in-ear-monitors?main_web_category_rollup=3/449/454/1045&mrkgadid=3248787986&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=livesound&lighting&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046934995574&lid=92700046934995574&ds_s_kwgid=58700005283820792&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=403046458244&product_id=Fourte&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=1013406&creative=226299461201&targetid=aud-297527862170:pla-403046458244&campaignid=953755110&awsearchcpc=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwmdGYBhDRARIsABmSEeNeiHGl6bpijw-vHEj7t3GN_9iSnSZyjyZCXlzL8Tk_3uaJJwJ3njgaAqePEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
I have also tried these and they work well:
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EWIEMG4-ABun--sennheiser-ew-iem-g4-wireless-in-ear-monitoring-system-bundle-a-band-with-ie-100-headphones
Interesting
Your knowledge is so vast, Sir Ken!🌹💜🌎
Hi Ken, thank you for your tips, advice, and lessons! I was hoping if you could help me with this problem: occasionally when singing, I start yawning in the middle of the song, which is an annoying interruption because it happens several times during practice. I've looked online for answers and no one seems to agree on the cause or a solution. I'm sure I'm getting enough air, because I've been hammering in diaphragmatic support for weeks now!
Your question is a great conversation for the forum, please consider posting there, you'll get great feedback!
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We love our IEM's and our quiet stage. With the right mics much less chance for feedback. I'll take the disconnect from the audience.
I'm the drummer at my church and so far it experience is not the best. I have no stage monitors and the drums are in the back of the stage and a fair distance from the Speakers. If I take one ears out there is a delay and it throws me off and when I have both ears in I feel disconnected and it's very weird. I'm thinking of having both of them together.
I tried for years to use IEMs. As a bass player and back up vocalist, it has just never worked for me. Like he said, it also seems very sterile.
We used to use stage monitors in our band but now its strictly IEMs the clarity is unmatched for me and lets me hear exactly what i need to hear. Also gotta get the stage volume right first though! or else they are useless.
good day im daniel...i want to learn more...specially from you....sir i need more knowledge...in sound equipment...
Leonard graves Philips of The Dickies sings with a finger on his ear
How do u feel about loud decibels? I really like wedges but I fear hearing loss since my ears always ring.
I'd have floor monitors with earplugs
im a singing drummer, huge marshall one side, svt bass stack on the other, if the earbuds are isolated enough when i sing the 'occlusion' efect causes my voice to drown out everthing, not seeing any videos that address this
Hey Ken , thanks for your information. I have a quick question , how is possible that I find so hard to sing(songs with a bit of range) on pitch(no music at all on background) but if I close my ears I can sing it in perfect way. Just a small suggestion(information) would help. Thanks again !!!!
Your question is a great conversation for the forum, please consider posting there, you'll get great feedback!
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How bad is it too have 1 IEM in and a wedge......isnt this the way forward???
I'm a wedge guy
Hey Ken. Just a thought. If the level in your ear is too loud at points without compression would the right solution not be to come off of the mic in those parts? I mean if your monitors are compressed would you not be pushing even harder? This is going to force the FOH engineer to slam your vocal with compression making it sound even more unnatural just to make it listenable.
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I got a question for Ken or anyone else who might know, are there bone conducting in ear monitors? I have nerve damage in my ear and I'm trying to get back into music but can't hack loud volumes
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so are the in ear like headphones?
Hi Ken, I have written several mails to Ken Tamplin Vocal Academy, but I haven’t yet gotten any answer.., how active are the ones handling the mail? I do not mean to sound rude, I’m just wondering😅
What email have you used? ktvahelp@gmail.com
Yeah, that one! And another mail you had on your page!
I don’t know why, but when I try to write out the other mail I sent some emails to, my comment keeps on getting deleted🤔🤔 maybe it’s just a RUclips-thing..
I like wedges because in ears look stupid