2024 Daiwa BFS Reels: MUST WATCH Before Buying
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- Опубликовано: 6 мар 2024
- In this video, I dive into the latest releases from Daiwa, focusing on their new BFS reels. I'll give you an in-depth look at the Tatula BF70 and the 24PX BF70, discussing their features, performance, and whether they're worth your investment. Join me as I share my honest opinions on these new Daiwa offerings and help you decide if they're the right choice for your fishing arsenal.
- Daiwa has released two new bait finesse reels for the US market, the 24 Tatula BF 70 and the 24 PX BF 70.
- The Tatula BF 70 is essentially a rebranded Daiwa Salamandura, priced at $240, without a clicking drag feature.
- The 24 PX BF 70 has a list price of $349, but it's essentially an Alphas Air TW, which can be purchased for much less overseas.
- Both reels have received criticism for being essentially rebranded versions of existing reels, with no significant upgrades or improvements.
- I'm personally disappointed in Daiwa's latest releases, but it's comparable to moves made by Shimano, Kastking, and Abu Garcia in recent years.
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Another fine video my friend. I have the Salamandura in both a 103 and a 70. I got excited when I seen the BF70 coming out, then realized I basically already owned it. Great info for those looking to buy these reels and maybe rely on anglers like you to dive deep and explain these things.
Yep - I was excited about the Tatula too. For a split second. ;P
Thanks for shedding some light on the new Daiwas! Preciate your research and knowledge, and for saving me a ton of money!!
Most of us spend a ton on gear already - no need to spend extra in these situations. Appreciate the comment.
Appreciate your review! Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure - just wanted to make sure folks knew exactly what the new reels were so they can make an informed decision.
Well said. Appreciate the vids!
Thanks -appreciate the comments!
Great full and frank review - greatly appreciated from an angler down under getting his toes wet with the BFS trend
Since I filmed this, apprently there is a SLIGHT difference in the dynaimc breaking, but if anyhting it makes the new reel more overbraked. So I'm still not going to buy them. :P
Aaron I have a Zillion with a DIY bfs spool. It is a awesome casting bfs reel. Also have the 80 converted to bfs both are great bfs reel. Love your content, keeping it going at a high level.
Do you have a link for T 80 drag clicker thank you ahead of time.
I'm not 100% loving the one I have so far. This is the one most guys use: ebay.us/Y3TGQt
I remember Tacklewarehouse (TW) try to sell the Daiwa Steez Air TW for almost $600, but now TW took it out (I assume they don't sell that much). I find Daiwa USA sell their reel way over price
Maybe there's braggin rights to saying "I bought a $600 reel..." Lol.
I got my Alphas Air on Facebook Marketplace for 120 and it had a spool and drag clicker upgrade (120 value). I do agree with you about the Alphas air. It sounds real geary and not the best in casting light lures. I have several cdm bfs reels that are much better. Its my first Daiwa BFS reel and maybe the reason its my only Daiwa bfs. Thanks for the info Aaron. You are a value add channel.
I truly think it's the worst Daiwa BFS reel... Love my Gekka and Silver Creek. If I came across that deal I might have to try it out again. :P Appreciate the comment.
What spool size is this a 32 ?
I've never used a daiwa reels all my life but.... I've bought 1 Daiwa reel this month and it's a fly reel 😂
I didn't even know they made fly reels! They do make some good products for sure. Just weird choices on this release.
@@AaronHuntFishing RIGHT!.. I didn't even know they make Fly reels too!..
It's not that I hate Daiwa reels.. but they look a bit more robust? bulky? on my hand.. unless they have released a low profile reel that I didn't know of
great video Aaron, all valid points... I going to stick with my TW 80 (w/micro-spool & drag clicker), also my Salamandura SV TW 70, and my Alphas 800-S (factory shallow spool) w/drag clicker installed. While they're not true BFS reels they are getting the job done (3 grams & up) for significantly less $ than these new (??) offerings. I still have my Acura's (2) & Micro Monster's (2), not loosing any sleep over these two... shame on you "Daiwa" USA !!!
Nice group of "BFS capable" reels you have. The 800-S was on my short list before I went with the Tatula 80.
good information, thank you 🙋♂️ but i have already more than enough 😅for the next 3-4 years 🙈
I'm sure you do! As always, appreciate your support and comments. It means a lot.
Would you recommend buying a Tatula 80 and doing after market to make it bfs or just get the salamandura?
Just buying the salamandura is easier. I haven;t done enough fishing with them both to give a complete answer. But the Tatula 80 has been doing surpisingly well in my "Power BFS" outings. I kind of forget it's a modified reel - the cheap drag clicker I put in is a little clunky. I may eventually get a better one... or you could just skip the drag clicker, and then the conversion is super simple..
@@AaronHuntFishing what’s the benefit of the drag clicker? I actually remembered after I sent the first message but I have Tatula 100hsl that I don’t use very often. Could I just convert that effectively? Or should I get an 80 and convert it? Thanks for all the help, I decided I wanted to get a bfs reel and now I’m in the rabbit hole 😂
@@zacherychristensen8031 Some people argue there's not technically a real benefit. That ins some cases (this is one) that it can make the drag less smooth. So I wouldn't;t recommend this clicker for a really light-weght application. But I find an audible cues that alerts me a fish is pulling drag and how fast to be invaluable. I have a video coming out on Saturday where I hooka BIG bass on one of my lightest combos - usually used for trout. The fish starts taking drag immediately. It was near a tree. You can see I adjusted the drag to control the fish a bit more. That's why I like it. It's just a bonus it's cool for video too. :P
and here i am with an Ambassadeur 5001C mod to be a bfs reel
Cool! I guess I didn't know the 5000 series were good candidates for BFS. :)
U seem to know what ur doing. I am currently a bass fisher primarily but i just got a boat and im going to be going into river. I have a abu gracia revo sx 5 or something at the moment but my girlfriend loves using it. I am looking at upgrading to diawa and giving her my old one... any suggestions? Unlimited budget
If it were Daiwa, unlimited budget, I'd probably do the Steez Air paired with my signature Hunt BFS rod from kistler. If you don't get into the lightest weights of BFS and want more of an elite "Power" BFS good for 1/8 oz and up, swap the reel out for the Steez CT SV TW.
If you want a fast rod isnetad of the softer action of my rods, the Megabass Destroyer line is the most redaily available premium BFS offerings. They are typically $1-$200 more than the Kistlers.
If you want to spend a $200 or so less ont he reel, the Gekkabijin for light weight and the SS Air for the upper end of BFS are good choices.
Here's the link to the Hunt BFS rods (currently on sale for $269 - not sure when the sale ends though): mysig.io/61aQn1DOz2xN
You are better off with Ark Gravity BFS with click drag. Been fishing with it this 2024 year. Best BFS reel
I would agree with that! I would 100% buy the Ark GRavity BFS before either of these.
Agreed
100%.
I love my Aldebaran, wouldnt trade it for anything atm
Great reel. Not one I'd consider parting with either.
But dat warranty tho 😅😂😂😂😂 That’s what kills me when they try to justify
Yeah - not sure how many people have used a warranty on reels, but I'm sure it happens. Rods it probably makes a little more sense.
@@AaronHuntFishing by time my tatula break down; there's new model come out and the warranty the is worthless; because now i looking towards the new model. so i'm not sure what's the warranty is use for anyway
I’m waiting for the new Steez Air
I'm right there with you!
@@AaronHuntFishing You know what would be really cool too? A Zillion AIR. Especially now that they just released the new 2024 American Market Zillion rods.
@@kennethfriedl3428 Yes it would!
@@AaronHuntFishing I hope we get a new Millionaire BF. That would be cool.
Great video. I bought a PX BF TW 70XH. I am putting it on a Steez Finesse Game Special. I will post a review soon. I don't know the background of all of the Daiwa reels like you do. Great info!
Should perform well there. Like I said, the AATW is a VERY popular reel - so the PX will be a gamer for sure. I'm interested in hearing about the Steez rod. :)
@@AaronHuntFishing I will post a review of the set-up. Should be a blast. I already own a Steez "The Sensor" and it is pretty awesome for Ned rigs and stuff like that..
The 20 Alphas Air is my favorite BFS reel. That being said, Daiwa USA should be ashamed of the PX BF70 release at that price without any doing any improvements.
Agreed.
This is a trend for the US. Just look at Cell Phones and Computer tech. We get shit for high dollar here but Asia is far ahead of North America in cost vs performance.
A few quick corrections though. The Alphas Air spool is vastly superior to the Gomexus, Gomexus is Harbour Freight compared to the Snap On spool in the Alphas. Drag Clickers are generally a gear whore thing, you dont need drag clickers for big fish that take big runs, you dont need it for stream trout. The SLX BFS, regardless of MSRP, has retailed for less than a buck 70 since its release in the US. The only difference between that and the Curado is color and 2 extra bearings in the handle knobs. Makes zero functional difference and smoothness would be next to impossible to detect if properly lubricated.
Thanks.
I hate this about diawa. They drop the same stuff claiming new tech. They're already great, but the last few years, they've changed decals and paint jobs and called older reels new reels. Its wild. The tech has come about as far as it can.
Yeah, just call it the same thing - or at least have the same pricing... I was excited until i realized they were nothing new.
Watched tackle advisor taking some of the new 'sv boost' reels apart and being upset seeing all the same stuff that was in the original reels.
So expect Daiwa USA or any other company to set their prices based off of the Japanese exchange rate? Who does that?
It's their business, they can do what they want. But I think this move is short-sighted and borderline deceptive.
It would be like Sony, Olympus, Canon, or Sigma selling their cameras and lenses at 33% to 50% less in Japan, and then launching the "new 2024" US model as the same thing they've been selling in the Japanese market since 2020... and charging 50% more for it.
Imagine if Sony released the A9 ii this year as a "new" model in the US, charging more than what the a9 iii has been selling for in Japan since last year, and 50% more than the current price for a new a9ii in Tokyo. How well would that be received?
EXCEPT: There's actually some engineering work for them to do that, because the menus need re-programmed. Reels are analog. No engineering required to re-release.
And yes - as someone who was a global business leader in new product development for much of my career, exchange rates are ALWAYS a consideration when launching to a new market. EVERYBODY does that.
How about not calling something a "new model" when it's already 4 years old. That's really the point. And it is a global marketplace. you can't expect to over-price a market by 50% and get strong sales with the same product.
And then there's the loyalty ding when folks pay the $350 and later find out what they bought was a 4-year-old, $250 reel.
@@AaronHuntFishing I guess what I’m saying is of an Alphas Aor was released in 2020 at 34600 yen that was $335 if they are selling at the same 34600 today it’s $233. That’s not on Daiwa yo compensate on falling currency. In 2yrs it might be back to over $300.
I work in global manufacturing with enterprise size companies and everyone has to factor in exchange rates.
Obviously opinions can vary on this but I can’t see it as price gouging.
Also my first response felt a little assholish lol I didn’t mean it to be. Love the video and your channel!
I don't understand the obsession with click drags. No other baitcasting reels I have ever had them , and I have been fishing with them for 45 years. No Daiwa, Shimano, Abu Garcia that I've ever owned or still own.
Fair enough. But most of those probably held more than 10-20 yards of line in reserve after a cast. For me, that's a big part of the equation. Espcially after having an experience a few times of nearly getting spooled by large fish.
BFS reels are typically loaded with 40-50 yards of line to be able to cast ultra-light lures with rpecision - vs the 100- to 140-ish yards most traditional BC's hold.
Plus, many Baitcasters are starting at 12# test - often running over 50# test on rigs that will rarely catch a double-digit fish. So the drags can be cranked down - often the line is stronger than the amount of drag the reel can even apply. So fish aren't pulling much drag. Some of those frog-rod and punch-rig situations are applications make sense, but often guys are running 30#+ just fishing open water.
With BFS, we're usually running 4 to 8 pound line, and targeting fish in that same or larger size class. With reels that sometimes have drag capabilities HIGHER than the line breaking strength. So fish WILL pull drag at the proper drag setting.
Add all that up - and it's really good to have an extra alert than a fish is running.
But obviously some people don't like them, and maybe at times companies make the silent BFS reels to appeal to the traditional bass fisherman.
Valid arguments AGAINST a clicking drag: it's one more part to wear. It does add a dollar or two of cost (mostly labor). And if not executed well, it can make the drag less responsive.
I like having the drag clicker just on my BFS reels. When your using really light line, it does help to know when the lines coming off. However, on my traditional Bass reels, their a waste. I have the clicker on the 19' Antares and 21' Zillion SV TW and it just doesn't make sense.
Daiwa having some questionable releases this month. Rebranding current reels with price hikes and adding an unnecessary "Tatula Elite LT" at 300 bucks. At the very least the Zillion rods seem good. Same blank as Steez apparently without AGS guides.
Makes me wonder if they had some leadership changes. I don't keep up on all the non-BFS Daiwa stuff, but glad to hear there's at least one good value in the Zillion rods. :)
The Tatula Elite LT is stupid reel Daiwa try to money gouge from stupid Daiwa fan that don't better, the Tatual Elite LT is simply a 7yrs old reel resell back to the fan boy, what 's funny is that it's not a MQ body frame at all, and Daiwa is asking for $300. I don't know; but sounds like Daiwa is smoking crack or something 🤣😂
@@AaronHuntFishing I don't know why the Daiwa these days their decision is so weird; for some odd reason they think people is that stupid or something
Zillion rods are not Steez blanks, based on several conversations I've followed.
what me and my buddies call daiwa since 2016.... daiwass. btw are these reels even made in japan? im guessing the tatula isnt.
Salamandura was Thailand. So probably the same.
@@AaronHuntFishing yeah i figured. once they went full twing (retard) and started making zillions in thailand. i knew it was time to stop buying daiwa.
Look at the alserbaran bfs it was released in the us this year it retails for $469 on tw , the ook at it on digitaka it’s $260 . Look at zillion sv tw retail in us compared to digitaka . You are not comparing it correctly as the US dollar to yen is not equal 1:1
Well, that was exactly my point - specifically noted on the Aldebaran in this video. $350 is nearly 52k yen. No-one is selling these for anywhere near 52,000 in Japan. most are closer to 35k. So with a strong dollar, it just exaggerates the problem. It's like marking it up even more...
Then yen-to-dollar ratio is the same globally. Every dollar is just worth more yen right now - making it even more profitable for Japanese companies to sell in the USA.
Whether you convert yen to dollars or dollars to yen, it's still a 50% premium.
@@AaronHuntFishing I feel what Daiwa did was look at the two reels they brought to the US compared to shimano and if abu Garcia had a us market reel and put them in competitive price points. The lower end Daiwa reel would go up against curado bfs , and next reel would be a step below alderbaran and that’s why it’s $100 cheaper because if it did go head to head the Daiwa reel would not even compare . I feel what reel companies do is set the msrp compared to what competitors sell the comparative reel was selling for .
Also to as they say you can always go down in price not up
By doing this Daiwa has just boosted the CDM reels. Why would anyone buy the new PX when new CDM reels will outperform it just because it is based on a older model?
I can only assume we BFS enthusiasts are a small subset of their target market - perhaps this is a low cost way to explore the commercial viability of BFS in the US market. But why not just release the same reel under the same name? Maybe the Shimano Alde release backfired and they're trying to do something different. I just don't know.
Why is everyone so obsessed with a drag clicker ?
For me, it's part because I've had one all my life, and partly because I want every advantage when fighting bigger fish on ultralight set-ups with 50 yds or less of line. And as a content creator, it's a more immersive experience for viewers. :)
When the fish runs and pulls the line, it's fun to hear the drag clicker going off. Sounds add to the pleasure. It's the same reason why Harley Davidson riders love their muffler blasting when they take off.
It's a poor release on Daiwa. Most bfs anglers buy overseas anyways. Only the noob will buy in the USA. I dont t blame them. They don't know any better.
100% agree - and that's why I make these videos. nearly 90% of people either learn about or do research on products using RUclips before buying. IF I can save a few folks some cash - or at least let them know they're paying the premium, that's my goal.
Americans are used to being overcharge for products that sells for less in other countries. It makes us feel like we are a tier above the rest. Having said that, I prefer to shop on AliExpress than Amazon, saves a ton of money.